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* If Bahamut represents the Sky God Half, having the powers of destruction and rebirth, Chapter 123 reveals that he may have a {{Foil}} amongst the Astrals.
-->'''Loki''': Diametrically opposed to destruction and rebirth, we Astrals are the keepers of immortality and creation. From nothing comes something. Zero becomes one. We hold the power of origination.
-->'''Loki''': Diametrically opposed to destruction and rebirth, we Astrals are the keepers of immortality and creation. From nothing comes something. Zero becomes one. We hold the power of origination.
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Confirmed. The Fate Episodes unlocked through Death's uncap stages essentially reveal that Lovers/Nier went through the first two tropes.
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Confirmed. The Fate Episodes unlocked through Death's uncap stages essentially reveal that Lovers/Nier went through the first two tropes.tropes.
[[WMG:The Captain's Father's name will be either explicitly "Blue", a foreign language equivalent, or incorporate the word into a longer name]]
It ''is'' the only part of the title that isn't currently being used as a name for a character.
[[WMG:The Captain's Father's name will be either explicitly "Blue", a foreign language equivalent, or incorporate the word into a longer name]]
It ''is'' the only part of the title that isn't currently being used as a name for a character.
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Confirmed. While her appearance gave it away, her backstory reinforces both tropes.
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!! Empress - {{Ojou}}, OjouRinglets
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!! Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore, BrokenTears, TearsOfRemorse.
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[[AC:Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore, BrokenTears,
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* Empress - {{Ojou}}, OjouRinglets
** She has the typical Ojou Ringlets and her NPC artwork suggests that she lives in a sophisticated lifestyle (judging by how she brushes her hair with one hand). Plus, she also wears a gown underneath that hooded jacket. Empress/Teresa might be of royalty, presumably a princess or queen. And when the Tarot's meaning is taken into consideration, The Empress represents motherly care.
* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore, BrokenTears, TearsOfRemorse.
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes like this:
---> "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
** When the Oracles' uncap artworks were revealed in Granblue Fes 2018, the Lovers is the only one weeping, while her Death Arcarum is also covering its head in sorrow. This implies that she might have a troubled past which involves a loved one dying, fitting the literal meanings of the names Lovers and Death, which also adds the possibility of TheLostLenore trope to the list.
** She has the typical Ojou Ringlets and her NPC artwork suggests that she lives in a sophisticated lifestyle (judging by how she brushes her hair with one hand). Plus, she also wears a gown underneath that hooded jacket. Empress/Teresa might be of royalty, presumably a princess or queen. And when the Tarot's meaning is taken into consideration, The Empress represents motherly care.
* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore, BrokenTears, TearsOfRemorse.
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes like this:
---> "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
** When the Oracles' uncap artworks were revealed in Granblue Fes 2018, the Lovers is the only one weeping, while her Death Arcarum is also covering its head in sorrow. This implies that she might have a troubled past which involves a loved one dying, fitting the literal meanings of the names Lovers and Death, which also adds the possibility of TheLostLenore trope to the list.
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** Helel ben Sahar outright calls Vyrn his "Master" when it is made clear in the previous chapters that Helel serves the Omnipotent. Put the two together and this clearly implies Vyrn ''is'' the Omnipotent.
** There is an interesting dialogue of Helel ben Sahar when you choose to say that you (as the captain) still doesn't understand everything about the gods of the sky and stars. He says this.
---> Do you truly not? Much of the relevant information has been scattered throughout your journey, if only you cast your mind back and connect the threads.
*** Notice how he says that much of the relevant information has been scattered? It would possibly explain that all these ''numerous'' listed points in the "Vyrn is the Sky God" and "Lyria is the Astral God" in fact serve as a {{Foreshadowing}} to their identities.
*** He also suggests the captain to "cast your mind back and connect the threads". It is in fact, a nod to the player to look for the lore facts and create connections between related events, much like what we are doing now at this WildMassGuessing page!
** There is an interesting dialogue of Helel ben Sahar when you choose to say that you (as the captain) still doesn't understand everything about the gods of the sky and stars. He says this.
---> Do you truly not? Much of the relevant information has been scattered throughout your journey, if only you cast your mind back and connect the threads.
*** Notice how he says that much of the relevant information has been scattered? It would possibly explain that all these ''numerous'' listed points in the "Vyrn is the Sky God" and "Lyria is the Astral God" in fact serve as a {{Foreshadowing}} to their identities.
*** He also suggests the captain to "cast your mind back and connect the threads". It is in fact, a nod to the player to look for the lore facts and create connections between related events, much like what we are doing now at this WildMassGuessing page!
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* In line with Lucio's exposition on the CreationMyth regarding the Omnipotent being split into two halves, Bahamut (or a part of him) is heavily implied in the song lyrics of Black Silver Wings and the Ultimate as the God of the Sky who commands the powers of Rebirth and Destruction.
** Anyone who knows their ''Rage of Bahamut'' lore or has watched ''Anime/RageOfBahamutGenesis'' and its sequel will understand that Bahamut is indeed capable of obliterating lands, with his fireballs being likened to nukes or catastrophes, demonstrating his power of Destruction. As show at the end of ''Virgin Soul'', Bahamut cannot technically die, as he keeps on returning, no matter how many times his physical form gets destroyed, something that Favaro is even aware of. Here, Bahamut demonstrates his power of Rebirth.
** To tie this with Vyrn's powers, so far he demonstrated AntiMagic - which is somewhat a form of Destruction as well, specifically, "destroying magic".
** Anyone who knows their ''Rage of Bahamut'' lore or has watched ''Anime/RageOfBahamutGenesis'' and its sequel will understand that Bahamut is indeed capable of obliterating lands, with his fireballs being likened to nukes or catastrophes, demonstrating his power of Destruction. As show at the end of ''Virgin Soul'', Bahamut cannot technically die, as he keeps on returning, no matter how many times his physical form gets destroyed, something that Favaro is even aware of. Here, Bahamut demonstrates his power of Rebirth.
** To tie this with Vyrn's powers, so far he demonstrated AntiMagic - which is somewhat a form of Destruction as well, specifically, "destroying magic".
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-->'''Black Vyrn Wings''': "Show the muscles you have trained up; ''Wake up Vyrn!''"
-->'''Black Silver Wings''': "Chiaroscuro chaos ''awakens me.''"
-->'''Black Silver Wings''': "Chiaroscuro chaos ''awakens me.''"
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* A WhamLine from the Inchoate World during a cutscene of the Arcarum Mode tries questioning Lyria's allegiance to Bahamut, calling it a "has-been dragon" and even offers her to join their side. Considering how the FlavorText of the Inchoate World strongly implies his goal of rebelling against Bahamut and creating a new world, along with the fact that Oracles are bound to a specific Arcarum, it is possible that the Arcarum Primal Beasts and the Oracles will oppose Lyria and the crew one way or another.
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* A WhamLine from the Inchoate World during a cutscene of the Arcarum Mode tries questioning Lyria's allegiance to Bahamut, calling it a "has-been dragon" and even offers her to join their side. Considering how the FlavorText of the Inchoate World strongly implies his goal of rebelling against Bahamut and creating a new world, along with the fact that Oracles are bound to a specific Arcarum, Arcarum (which serve The World as their leader), it is possible that the Arcarum Primal Beasts and the Oracles will oppose Lyria and the crew one way or another.
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[[WMG: Vyrn is Bahamut]]
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[[WMG: Vyrn is Bahamut]]Bahamut, or specifically, the Sky God half of The Omnipotent]]
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[[WMG: Lyria is the other Astral Half of the Omnipotent]]
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* Then the main story arc of the game revolves around TheProphecy that "the girl in blue" and "the red wyrm" must never meet in under any circumstances. This is something that even the older cast such as Walfrid, the DisappearedDad of the protagonist, and the Blessed Ones in the Edgelands even knew. And upon seeing their physical appearances, those aware of the prophecy are shocked at the revelation that Vyrn and Lyria are the ones being referred to. Now, why does the prophecy state that two entities never meet? Does it have something to do with the CreationMyth of the two halves of god?
* If Vyrn is indeed Bahamut, that solves the first half of the equation as Bahamut is very much implied to possess the powers of Destruction and Regeneration. That leaves the power of Creation. This might have something to do with Lyria's SummonMagic - she's capable of ''creating'' copies of Primal Beasts out of thin air.
* If Vyrn is indeed Bahamut, that solves the first half of the equation as Bahamut is very much implied to possess the powers of Destruction and Regeneration. That leaves the power of Creation. This might have something to do with Lyria's SummonMagic - she's capable of ''creating'' copies of Primal Beasts out of thin air.
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* Then the main story arc of the game revolves around TheProphecy that "the girl in blue" and "the red wyrm" must never meet in under any circumstances. This is something that even the older cast such as Walfrid, the DisappearedDad of the protagonist, and the Blessed Ones in the Edgelands even knew. And upon seeing their physical appearances, those aware of the prophecy are shocked at the revelation that Vyrn and Lyria are the ones most likely being referred to. Now, why does the prophecy state that two entities never meet? Does it have something to do with the CreationMyth of the two halves of god?
* If Vyrn is indeed Bahamut, that solves the first half of the equation as Bahamut is very much implied to possess the powers of Destruction and Regeneration. That leaves the power ofCreation. This Creation unanswered. But this power might have something to do with Lyria's SummonMagic - she's capable of ''creating'' copies of Primal Beasts out of thin air.
* If Vyrn is indeed Bahamut, that solves the first half of the equation as Bahamut is very much implied to possess the powers of Destruction and Regeneration. That leaves the power of
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* Lyria has OccultBlueEyes, a trait that she shares with Loki... and Loki claims to be an Astral. If Loki would represent the general appearance of the entire Astral race, then Lyria ''may be an Astral herself''. This may also reference a line in the third arc of the main story where the protagonist's father "obtained" Lyria somewhere else.
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* Lyria has OccultBlueEyes, a trait that she shares with Loki... and Loki claims to be an Astral. If Loki would represent the general appearance of the entire Astral race, then Lyria ''may be an Astral herself''. This may also reference a line in the third arc of the main story where the protagonist's father "obtained" Lyria somewhere else.
else, which they didn't expect in their travels.
* If we take the names / titles of the involved parties in question - "The God of the Stars" and "Astral". A simple translation search would explain the word "Astral" as "something related to the stars", implying that the other half of the Omnipotent may have something to do with the Astral race, or may be the first Astral in history.
* In relation to the terminology of the word implying to stars. Remember how the protagonist saw Lyria in the game (and especially in the anime adaptation)? It is likened to a falling star, the effect of which is given off by the crystal in her chest.
* If we take the names / titles of the involved parties in question - "The God of the Stars" and "Astral". A simple translation search would explain the word "Astral" as "something related to the stars", implying that the other half of the Omnipotent may have something to do with the Astral race, or may be the first Astral in history.
* In relation to the terminology of the word implying to stars. Remember how the protagonist saw Lyria in the game (and especially in the anime adaptation)? It is likened to a falling star, the effect of which is given off by the crystal in her chest.
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[[WMG: Lyria is the other Half of the Omnipotent]]
To supplement the "Vyrn is Bahamut" theory above, this theory attempts to explain Lyria's true identity.
* First of all, if things are taken into chronological order, we start off with the CreationMyth explained by Lucio in "What Makes The Sky Blue III: 000". The Omnipotent is a being from another dimension who split himself into two. The God of the Sky wielding the powers of Destruction and Regeneration (which is heavily stated to be Bahamut, in certain narrations and lyrics of The Ultimate and Black Silver Wings) and the other half who wields the power of Creation left, being referred to as the God of the Stars.
* He later explains a part of the CreationMyth that these two halves are always at war, trying to overpower the other and fuse once more. Lucio also ponders on the effects if the two halves merge again, implying that a greater calamity may happen.
* Then the main story arc of the game revolves around TheProphecy that "the girl in blue" and "the red wyrm" must never meet in under any circumstances. This is something that even the older cast such as Walfrid, the DisappearedDad of the protagonist, and the Blessed Ones in the Edgelands even knew. And upon seeing their physical appearances, those aware of the prophecy are shocked at the revelation that Vyrn and Lyria are the ones being referred to. Now, why does the prophecy state that two entities never meet? Does it have something to do with the CreationMyth of the two halves of god?
* If Vyrn is indeed Bahamut, that solves the first half of the equation as Bahamut is very much implied to possess the powers of Destruction and Regeneration. That leaves the power of Creation. This might have something to do with Lyria's SummonMagic - she's capable of ''creating'' copies of Primal Beasts out of thin air.
* Also, the other half who possesses the power of Creation is known to have left the world of the skies. Akasha is able to observe and manipulate any history within the Sky Realm, including its inhabitants. The problem is, Akasha ''cannot find anything'' about Lyria's past, implying that she doesn't originate in the Sky Realm.
* Lyria has OccultBlueEyes, a trait that she shares with Loki... and Loki claims to be an Astral. If Loki would represent the general appearance of the entire Astral race, then Lyria ''may be an Astral herself''. This may also reference a line in the third arc of the main story where the protagonist's father "obtained" Lyria somewhere else.
To supplement the "Vyrn is Bahamut" theory above, this theory attempts to explain Lyria's true identity.
* First of all, if things are taken into chronological order, we start off with the CreationMyth explained by Lucio in "What Makes The Sky Blue III: 000". The Omnipotent is a being from another dimension who split himself into two. The God of the Sky wielding the powers of Destruction and Regeneration (which is heavily stated to be Bahamut, in certain narrations and lyrics of The Ultimate and Black Silver Wings) and the other half who wields the power of Creation left, being referred to as the God of the Stars.
* He later explains a part of the CreationMyth that these two halves are always at war, trying to overpower the other and fuse once more. Lucio also ponders on the effects if the two halves merge again, implying that a greater calamity may happen.
* Then the main story arc of the game revolves around TheProphecy that "the girl in blue" and "the red wyrm" must never meet in under any circumstances. This is something that even the older cast such as Walfrid, the DisappearedDad of the protagonist, and the Blessed Ones in the Edgelands even knew. And upon seeing their physical appearances, those aware of the prophecy are shocked at the revelation that Vyrn and Lyria are the ones being referred to. Now, why does the prophecy state that two entities never meet? Does it have something to do with the CreationMyth of the two halves of god?
* If Vyrn is indeed Bahamut, that solves the first half of the equation as Bahamut is very much implied to possess the powers of Destruction and Regeneration. That leaves the power of Creation. This might have something to do with Lyria's SummonMagic - she's capable of ''creating'' copies of Primal Beasts out of thin air.
* Also, the other half who possesses the power of Creation is known to have left the world of the skies. Akasha is able to observe and manipulate any history within the Sky Realm, including its inhabitants. The problem is, Akasha ''cannot find anything'' about Lyria's past, implying that she doesn't originate in the Sky Realm.
* Lyria has OccultBlueEyes, a trait that she shares with Loki... and Loki claims to be an Astral. If Loki would represent the general appearance of the entire Astral race, then Lyria ''may be an Astral herself''. This may also reference a line in the third arc of the main story where the protagonist's father "obtained" Lyria somewhere else.
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{{Jossed}} by "What Makes The Sky Blue III: 000" which solves the ambiguous identity of the three - Lucio is the Speaker of the Omnipotent, with his real name being Helel ben Sahar. He created Lucilius as his clone, but the latter abused his free will to enact his own plans of mocking creation. Finally, Lucifer is created subconsciously as the Supreme Primarch by Lucilius under the image of Helel ben Sahar.
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Zig-zagged. He joined the ranks of the fallen angels like Olivia and Azazel, rebelling against the Astrals. Sandalphon is furious to realize that he is seen as nothing but a redundant backup at that point and was imprisoned inside Pandemonium until two millennia, which a chance outside force allowing Sandalphon and some of the fallen angels to escape, kicking off his plot in the first "What Makes The Sky Blue" event. So technically, only the second and third bullet points have a connection, especially since "What Makes The Sky Blue III: 000" reveals a glimpse of the fallen angels' rebellion where he once was a part of.
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* When Vyrn headbutts Lucilius to distract him, Lucilius sighs in disappointment stating "It seems I have overestimated god". Is he referring to the ridiculousness of a critter trying to stop him? Or is the "god" Lucilius is referring to, is no other than Bahamut, the Omnipotent whom he indirectly addresses to Vyrn?
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* When In "What Makes The Sky Blue III: 000", when Vyrn headbutts Lucilius to distract him, Lucilius sighs in disappointment stating "It seems I have overestimated god". Is he referring to the ridiculousness of a critter trying to stop him? Or is the "god" Lucilius is referring to, is no other than Bahamut, the Omnipotent whom he indirectly addresses to Vyrn?
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* When Vyrn headbutts Lucilius to distract him, Lucilius sighs in disappointment stating "It seems I have overestimated god". Is he referring to the ridiculousness of a critter trying to stop him? Or is the "god" Lucilius is referring to, is no other than Bahamut, the Omnipotent whom he indirectly addresses to Vyrn?
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* A WhamLine from the Inchoate World during a cutscene of the Arcarum Mode tries questioning Lyria's allegiance to Bahamut, calling it a "has-been dragon" and even offers her to join their side. Considering how the FlavorText of the Inchoate World strongly implies his goal of rebelling against Bahamut and creating a new world, along with the fact that Oracles are bound to a specific Arcarum, it is possible that the Arcarum Primal Beasts and the Oracles will oppose Lyria and the crew one way or another.
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** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
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** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes like this:
---> "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
---> "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
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Some have [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot expressed dissatisfaction]] over the focus of "What Makes The Sky Blue II: Paradise Lost". While the arc is a way of presenting [[spoiler:Sandalphon's acceptable transition from a villain to a hero, and a new greater BigBad who even kills Sandalphon's friend Lucifer]], fans have wondered why two of the {{Breakout Character}}s from ''VideoGame/RageOfBahamut'' did not even make an appearance (namely [[spoiler:the fallen angels Olivia and Azazel]]) since "Paradise Lost" revolves around the threatening existence of [[spoiler:fallen angels being backed by a former Astral]]. Others have pointed out that they ''may actually appear'' in the third part of "What Makes The Sky Blue", and only time would tell if they do get their spotlight. As more events came many, the number of players expecting their roles in [=WMTSB3=] increased. Even before "Paradise Lost" came to be, their Fate Episodes attempt to foreshadow things regarding the fallen angels and their setting:
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Some have [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot expressed dissatisfaction]] over the focus of "What Makes The Sky Blue II: Paradise Lost". While the arc is a way of presenting [[spoiler:Sandalphon's acceptable transition from a villain to a hero, and a new greater BigBad who even kills Sandalphon's friend Lucifer]], fans have wondered why two of the {{Breakout Character}}s from ''VideoGame/RageOfBahamut'' did not even make an appearance (namely [[spoiler:the fallen angels Olivia and Azazel]]) since "Paradise Lost" revolves around the threatening existence of [[spoiler:fallen angels being backed by a former Astral]]. Others have pointed out that they ''may actually appear'' in the third part of "What Makes The Sky Blue", and only time would tell if they do get their spotlight. As more events came many, came, the number of players expecting their roles in [=WMTSB3=] increased. Even before "Paradise Lost" came to be, their Fate Episodes attempt to foreshadow things regarding the fallen angels and their setting:
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* They are baffled by the existence of Lucio whom they claim as someone not being the exact person they once knew, hinting at the [[AmbigiousSituation ambiguity of Lucio's identity]], something that would finally be resolved as teased in the trailer for [=WMTSB3=].
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* They are baffled by the existence of Lucio whom they claim as someone not being the exact person they once knew, hinting at the [[AmbigiousSituation [[AmbiguousSituation ambiguity of Lucio's identity]], something that would finally be resolved as teased in the trailer for [=WMTSB3=].
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Added the "Where is Azazel and Olivia?" fan theory which is going on right now at Reddit
[[WMG: Azazel and Olivia will appear in the third "What Makes the Sky Blue" event]]
Some have [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot expressed dissatisfaction]] over the focus of "What Makes The Sky Blue II: Paradise Lost". While the arc is a way of presenting [[spoiler:Sandalphon's acceptable transition from a villain to a hero, and a new greater BigBad who even kills Sandalphon's friend Lucifer]], fans have wondered why two of the {{Breakout Character}}s from ''VideoGame/RageOfBahamut'' did not even make an appearance (namely [[spoiler:the fallen angels Olivia and Azazel]]) since "Paradise Lost" revolves around the threatening existence of [[spoiler:fallen angels being backed by a former Astral]]. Others have pointed out that they ''may actually appear'' in the third part of "What Makes The Sky Blue", and only time would tell if they do get their spotlight. As more events came many, the number of players expecting their roles in [=WMTSB3=] increased. Even before "Paradise Lost" came to be, their Fate Episodes attempt to foreshadow things regarding the fallen angels and their setting:
* They both mention Pandemonium, which played a part in Sandalphon's plan from [=WMTSB1=]. Olivia's inclusion during the "Bzzt! Amped Up Summer" event has a monologue where she still plans to release her fallen brethren from the prison.
* It is also notable that Olivia didn't appear in "Paradise Lost". Her goal was to gather information by staying near the Grandcypher crew since they have a connection to the Supreme Primarch. Where was she when Lucifer, the original Supreme Primarch died? And if the seal on Pandemonium was damaged on [=WMTSB1=] (requiring Lucifer to reinforce it at the end of the event), wouldn't Olivia notice it too since she was so fixated on rescuing her fellow fallen angels? The situation would have been used to her advantage in the first place, yet Olivia is nowhere to be found.
* They are baffled by the existence of Lucio whom they claim as someone not being the exact person they once knew, hinting at the [[AmbigiousSituation ambiguity of Lucio's identity]], something that would finally be resolved as teased in the trailer for [=WMTSB3=].
* The [[https://imgur.com/f3KSDT0 1000th Comic Strip's Wallpaper]] has Lucifer, Sandalphon, Azazel and Olivia positioned next to each other. One [[FridgeBrilliance interesting fact]] is that Olivia looks at Sandalphon's and Lucifer's direction with a confused face. Did she know of Sandalphon's existence as an angel, specifically his role as another Supreme Primarch?
Some have [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot expressed dissatisfaction]] over the focus of "What Makes The Sky Blue II: Paradise Lost". While the arc is a way of presenting [[spoiler:Sandalphon's acceptable transition from a villain to a hero, and a new greater BigBad who even kills Sandalphon's friend Lucifer]], fans have wondered why two of the {{Breakout Character}}s from ''VideoGame/RageOfBahamut'' did not even make an appearance (namely [[spoiler:the fallen angels Olivia and Azazel]]) since "Paradise Lost" revolves around the threatening existence of [[spoiler:fallen angels being backed by a former Astral]]. Others have pointed out that they ''may actually appear'' in the third part of "What Makes The Sky Blue", and only time would tell if they do get their spotlight. As more events came many, the number of players expecting their roles in [=WMTSB3=] increased. Even before "Paradise Lost" came to be, their Fate Episodes attempt to foreshadow things regarding the fallen angels and their setting:
* They both mention Pandemonium, which played a part in Sandalphon's plan from [=WMTSB1=]. Olivia's inclusion during the "Bzzt! Amped Up Summer" event has a monologue where she still plans to release her fallen brethren from the prison.
* It is also notable that Olivia didn't appear in "Paradise Lost". Her goal was to gather information by staying near the Grandcypher crew since they have a connection to the Supreme Primarch. Where was she when Lucifer, the original Supreme Primarch died? And if the seal on Pandemonium was damaged on [=WMTSB1=] (requiring Lucifer to reinforce it at the end of the event), wouldn't Olivia notice it too since she was so fixated on rescuing her fellow fallen angels? The situation would have been used to her advantage in the first place, yet Olivia is nowhere to be found.
* They are baffled by the existence of Lucio whom they claim as someone not being the exact person they once knew, hinting at the [[AmbigiousSituation ambiguity of Lucio's identity]], something that would finally be resolved as teased in the trailer for [=WMTSB3=].
* The [[https://imgur.com/f3KSDT0 1000th Comic Strip's Wallpaper]] has Lucifer, Sandalphon, Azazel and Olivia positioned next to each other. One [[FridgeBrilliance interesting fact]] is that Olivia looks at Sandalphon's and Lucifer's direction with a confused face. Did she know of Sandalphon's existence as an angel, specifically his role as another Supreme Primarch?
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* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore.
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* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore.TheLostLenore, BrokenTears, TearsOfRemorse.
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* The teaser of the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFt_d-pj7zk third part]] of "What Makes The Sky Blue" events ends with Lucio himself stating "my true name is...", finally addressing the ambiguity of his identity, and that he goes by a different name.
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* The teaser of the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFt_d-pj7zk third part]] of "What Makes The Sky Blue" events ends with Lucio himself stating "my true "Yes. My real name is...", finally addressing the ambiguity of his identity, and that he goes by a different name.
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* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
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* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette
EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette, TheLostLenore.
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no...""
** When the Oracles' uncap artworks were revealed in Granblue Fes 2018, the Lovers is the only one weeping, while her Death Arcarum is also covering its head in sorrow. This implies that she might have a troubled past which involves a loved one dying, fitting the literal meanings of the names Lovers and Death, which also adds the possibility of TheLostLenore trope to the list.
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no...
** When the Oracles' uncap artworks were revealed in Granblue Fes 2018, the Lovers is the only one weeping, while her Death Arcarum is also covering its head in sorrow. This implies that she might have a troubled past which involves a loved one dying, fitting the literal meanings of the names Lovers and Death, which also adds the possibility of TheLostLenore trope to the list.
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* The teaser of the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFt_d-pj7zk third part]] of "What Makes The Sky Blue" events ends with Lucio himself stating "my true name is...", finally addressing the ambiguity of his identity, and that he goes by a different name.
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* The anime demonstrates that Proto Bahamut's power can be transferred to Gran's sword at Lyria's command. In the final chapters of the Dawning Sky arc in Nalhegrande, Vyrn temporarily transfers his AntiMagic ability in the captain's weapon, where a direct hit would revert Gilbert back to normal.
** Also note that in the anime, Gran had to borrow Bahamut's power from Lyria before destroying the crystallized Dark Essence attached to Tiamat and Leviathan. This essentially means that Gran needed something to negate the Dark Essence, and Bahamut has the countermeasures against such magic.
** Also note that in the anime, Gran had to borrow Bahamut's power from Lyria before destroying the crystallized Dark Essence attached to Tiamat and Leviathan. This essentially means that Gran needed something to negate the Dark Essence, and Bahamut has the countermeasures against such magic.
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* The anime demonstrates that Proto Bahamut's power can be transferred to Gran's sword at Lyria's command. In the final chapters of the Dawning Sky arc in Nalhegrande, Vyrn temporarily transfers his AntiMagic ability in to the captain's weapon, where a direct hit would revert Gilbert back to normal.
** Also note that in the anime, Gran had to borrow Bahamut's power from Lyria before destroying the crystallized Dark Essence attached to Tiamat and Leviathan. This essentially means that Gran needed something to negate the Dark Essence, and Bahamut has the countermeasures against suchmagic.magic, something that Vyrn already demonstrated.
** Also note that in the anime, Gran had to borrow Bahamut's power from Lyria before destroying the crystallized Dark Essence attached to Tiamat and Leviathan. This essentially means that Gran needed something to negate the Dark Essence, and Bahamut has the countermeasures against such
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* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love.
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love.
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* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes
CreepyShadowedUndereyes, EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love. One such line spoken by Death goes "Love... Mee... Love... Me... Please... If you say no..."
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* After you fight each of the Arcarum Primal Beasts in the expeditions, the Oracles are briefly shown, but with their faces covered in the shadows. When Vyrn notices them, they immediately escape, implying that while your crew is busy investigating the island, they are [[MysteriousWatcher secretly watching you from somewhere else]].
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* After you fight each of the Arcarum Primal Beasts in the expeditions, the Oracles are briefly shown, but with their faces covered in the shadows. When Vyrn notices them, they immediately escape, implying that while your crew is busy investigating the island, they are [[MysteriousWatcher secretly watching you from somewhere else]].else]].
[[WMG: Theories for the tropes and archetypes of the Oracles]]
Tropes which may apply to the Oracles based on observations, as well as their physical appearances and features:
* Empress - {{Ojou}}, OjouRinglets
** She has the typical Ojou Ringlets and her NPC artwork suggests that she lives in a sophisticated lifestyle (judging by how she brushes her hair with one hand). Plus, she also wears a gown underneath that hooded jacket. Empress/Teresa might be of royalty, presumably a princess or queen. And when the Tarot's meaning is taken into consideration, The Empress represents motherly care.
* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love.
[[WMG: Theories for the tropes and archetypes of the Oracles]]
Tropes which may apply to the Oracles based on observations, as well as their physical appearances and features:
* Empress - {{Ojou}}, OjouRinglets
** She has the typical Ojou Ringlets and her NPC artwork suggests that she lives in a sophisticated lifestyle (judging by how she brushes her hair with one hand). Plus, she also wears a gown underneath that hooded jacket. Empress/Teresa might be of royalty, presumably a princess or queen. And when the Tarot's meaning is taken into consideration, The Empress represents motherly care.
* Lovers - {{Yandere}}, LoveMakesYouCrazy, CreepyShadowedUndereyes
** If the personification of Death as a ''Granblue'' Primal Beast is given priority, there is one trait that makes her rather "unusual". When you fight her for the first time, her dialogue and manners of speech suggest that Death has become crazy enough, desperately wanting to be loved. If this is the effect of being celestially bound to the "yearning Lover", then the Erune Oracle might be a Yandere. And there is a possibility that both of them kill those who refuse to reciprocate their love.
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Dafuq, I should have previewed first
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Or they might have an agenda of their own, which somewhat conflicts with the idea of the protagonists. First and foremost, they are the hooded figures who ''stole'' the cards containing the power of the Arcarum Primal Beasts, which kickstarted Monika's quest of investigating them in the "Arcarum: The World Beyond" mode.
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Or they might have an agenda of their own, which somewhat conflicts with the idea of the protagonists. First and foremost, they are the hooded figures who ''stole'' the cards containing the power of the Arcarum Primal Beasts, which kickstarted Monika's quest of investigating them in the "Arcarum: The World Beyond" mode.mode.
** After you fight each of the Arcarum Primal Beasts in the expeditions, the Oracles are briefly shown, but with their faces covered in the shadows. When Vyrn notices them, they immediately escape, implying that while your crew is busy investigating the island, they are [[MysteriousWatcher secretly watching you from somewhere else]].
** After you fight each of the Arcarum Primal Beasts in the expeditions, the Oracles are briefly shown, but with their faces covered in the shadows. When Vyrn notices them, they immediately escape, implying that while your crew is busy investigating the island, they are [[MysteriousWatcher secretly watching you from somewhere else]].
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[[WMG: The Oracles will be VillainProtagonists]]
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[[WMG: The Oracles will be VillainProtagonists]]{{Villain Protagonist}}s]]
