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It's been pointed out in some quarters that the grandfather clock in Aziraphale's bookshop jumps forward by several minutes towards the end of the breakup scene, specifically around the kiss. Could be a simple continuity error, but attention is called to the clock a couple of times; when Crowley tells Aziraphale to "listen," the only sound is the clock ticking loudly, and before leaving Aziraphale appears to look at the clock several times with a pained look on his face. He's leaving for Heaven; why would he care what time it is?
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It's been pointed out in some quarters that the grandfather clock in Aziraphale's bookshop jumps forward by several minutes towards the end of the breakup scene, specifically around the kiss. Could be a simple continuity error, but attention is called to the clock a couple of times; when Crowley tells Aziraphale to "listen," the only sound is the clock ticking loudly, and before leaving Aziraphale appears to look at give the clock several times with a pained look looks.
The implication is that there's more to that breakup scene than we saw. At some point, presumably during the kiss, Crowley froze time so he could fill Aziraphale in on the "second Coming" plan he heard about in Gabriel's file, and they hashed out a plan. We'll see that part of the conversation in flashback form in Season 3.
[[WMG: Aziraphale altered hisface. memory]]
Another theory why the clock is important; Aziraphale stored something there, just like Gabriel stored his memories in the fly. He'sleaving used some kind of post-hypnotic suggestion on himself to go undercover, and stored his ''true'' self in the clock.
That would explain the creepy smile on Aziraphale's face midway through the credits, just before his and Crowley's splitscreen blurs out; his cover persona has kicked in. After blurring, Crowley's footage remains consistent, clearly still showing him driving, while the background of Aziraphale's suddenly darkens even though he's clearly still in the lift, representing that he's changed forHeaven; the darker. It also explains why he keeps looking at the clock before he leaves; he's going to Heaven, why would he care it matter what time it is?is in one city on Earth?
The implication is that there's more to that breakup scene than we saw. At some point, presumably during the kiss, Crowley froze time so he could fill Aziraphale in on the "second Coming" plan he heard about in Gabriel's file, and they hashed out a plan. We'll see that part of the conversation in flashback form in Season 3.
[[WMG: Aziraphale altered his
Another theory why the clock is important; Aziraphale stored something there, just like Gabriel stored his memories in the fly. He's
That would explain the creepy smile on Aziraphale's face midway through the credits, just before his and Crowley's splitscreen blurs out; his cover persona has kicked in. After blurring, Crowley's footage remains consistent, clearly still showing him driving, while the background of Aziraphale's suddenly darkens even though he's clearly still in the lift, representing that he's changed for
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Crowley's name presumably wasn't Crowley or Crawley before he fell, and he seems to have had a decent rank in those days; it's not clear where a Dominion goes in the angelic ranks, but Crowley's able to open a file full of highly sensitive information because they haven't changed the passwords. He doesn't say Dominion ''was'' his rank, only that he had that rank or higher. So... what if he was, in fact, and Archangel?
Just a guess, but it would explain his being entrusted with important jobs, such as tempting Eve, delivering the Antichrist and acting as Hell's respresentative for 6000 years with very little oversight.
Just a guess, but it would explain his being entrusted with important jobs, such as tempting Eve, delivering the Antichrist and acting as Hell's respresentative for 6000 years with very little oversight.
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Crowley's name presumably wasn't Crowley or Crawley before he fell, and he seems isn't established in the opening flashback to have his pre-Fall days. He clearly had a decent rank in those days; it's not clear where a as an angel; Dominion goes in is the angelic ranks, but highest of the Middle Order, while Principality is the highest of the Lower Order, so Crowley once outranked Aziraphale by at least an entire order. Crowley's able to open a file full of highly sensitive information because they the the passwords haven't changed the passwords.changed. He doesn't say Dominion ''was'' his rank, only that he had that rank or higher. So... what if he was, in fact, and an Archangel?
Just a guess, but it would explain his being entrusted with important jobs, such as tempting Eve, delivering theAntichrist Antichrist, terrorising Job and acting as Hell's respresentative representative for 6000 years with very little oversight.
oversight. Crowley's also the least "mutated" demon and also seems to be, specifically, the only one who can stop time.
It might also explain the RunningGag of Crowley failing to recognise angels and demons he's apparently worked with previously, to their frustration; a fallen Archangel would presumably be A Big Deal, so it's the equivalent of someone bugging a celebrity they once encountered.
Just a guess, but it would explain his being entrusted with important jobs, such as tempting Eve, delivering the
It might also explain the RunningGag of Crowley failing to recognise angels and demons he's apparently worked with previously, to their frustration; a fallen Archangel would presumably be A Big Deal, so it's the equivalent of someone bugging a celebrity they once encountered.
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Two reasonable dots to connect.
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Two reasonable dots to connect.connect.
[[WMG: The Clock Theory]]
It's been pointed out in some quarters that the grandfather clock in Aziraphale's bookshop jumps forward by several minutes towards the end of the breakup scene, specifically around the kiss. Could be a simple continuity error, but attention is called to the clock a couple of times; when Crowley tells Aziraphale to "listen," the only sound is the clock ticking loudly, and before leaving Aziraphale appears to look at the clock several times with a pained look on his face. He's leaving for Heaven; why would he care what time it is?
[[WMG: The Clock Theory]]
It's been pointed out in some quarters that the grandfather clock in Aziraphale's bookshop jumps forward by several minutes towards the end of the breakup scene, specifically around the kiss. Could be a simple continuity error, but attention is called to the clock a couple of times; when Crowley tells Aziraphale to "listen," the only sound is the clock ticking loudly, and before leaving Aziraphale appears to look at the clock several times with a pained look on his face. He's leaving for Heaven; why would he care what time it is?
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In season 2, both an angel and a demon try to remind Crowley that they worked with him in Heaven before his Fall, but Crowley doesn't remember them at all. This could be a joke about how unmemorable Crowley's Heavenly colleagues were. Or it could be a hint that while some demons can remember their pre-Fall lives and relationships from when they were angels, for some reason demon Crowley cannot remember this.
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In season 2, both an angel and a demon try to remind Crowley that they worked with him in Heaven before his Fall, but Crowley doesn't remember them at all. This could be a joke about how unmemorable Crowley's Heavenly colleagues were. Or it could be a hint that while some demons can remember their pre-Fall lives and relationships from when they were angels, for some reason demon Crowley cannot remember this.this.
[[WMG: The Great Plan is written in the Book Of Life]]
Two reasonable dots to connect.
[[WMG: The Great Plan is written in the Book Of Life]]
Two reasonable dots to connect.
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In season 2 flashbacks, Angel-Crowley's pre-Fall role in starting the stars spinning suggest that a name meaning "Light-bringer" would be fitting. Crowley mentions the name Lucifer once in season 1 while monologuing aloud, but Crowley was so drunk at the time that it's not impossible he was talking about himself.
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In season 2 flashbacks, Angel-Crowley's pre-Fall role in starting the stars spinning suggest that a name meaning "Light-bringer" would be fitting. Crowley mentions the name Lucifer once in season 1 while monologuing aloud, but Crowley was so drunk at the time that it's not impossible he was talking about himself.himself.
[[WMG: Crowley's memories of his time as an angel in Heaven were wiped just as Gabriel's memories were supposed to be.]]
In season 2, both an angel and a demon try to remind Crowley that they worked with him in Heaven before his Fall, but Crowley doesn't remember them at all. This could be a joke about how unmemorable Crowley's Heavenly colleagues were. Or it could be a hint that while some demons can remember their pre-Fall lives and relationships from when they were angels, for some reason demon Crowley cannot remember this.
[[WMG: Crowley's memories of his time as an angel in Heaven were wiped just as Gabriel's memories were supposed to be.]]
In season 2, both an angel and a demon try to remind Crowley that they worked with him in Heaven before his Fall, but Crowley doesn't remember them at all. This could be a joke about how unmemorable Crowley's Heavenly colleagues were. Or it could be a hint that while some demons can remember their pre-Fall lives and relationships from when they were angels, for some reason demon Crowley cannot remember this.
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Metatron mentioned his insider knowledge of humans being a factor in his appointment, so it may revolve around spreading misinformation. This will be complicated by the fact that espionage isn't exactly Aziraphale's strong point; remember what happened with the Nazis. So Crowley, having realised what's happening, will have to rescue him again.
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Metatron mentioned his insider knowledge of humans being a factor in his appointment, so it may revolve around spreading misinformation. This will be complicated by the fact that espionage isn't exactly Aziraphale's strong point; remember what happened with the Nazis. So Crowley, having realised what's happening, will have to rescue him again.again.
[[WMG: Crowley was once the angel Lucifer.]]
(This universe's Lucifer, not [[Series/Lucifer2016 the guy from the other Gaiman TV show]].)
In season 2 flashbacks, Angel-Crowley's pre-Fall role in starting the stars spinning suggest that a name meaning "Light-bringer" would be fitting. Crowley mentions the name Lucifer once in season 1 while monologuing aloud, but Crowley was so drunk at the time that it's not impossible he was talking about himself.
[[WMG: Crowley was once the angel Lucifer.]]
(This universe's Lucifer, not [[Series/Lucifer2016 the guy from the other Gaiman TV show]].)
In season 2 flashbacks, Angel-Crowley's pre-Fall role in starting the stars spinning suggest that a name meaning "Light-bringer" would be fitting. Crowley mentions the name Lucifer once in season 1 while monologuing aloud, but Crowley was so drunk at the time that it's not impossible he was talking about himself.
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Every Archangel (Gabriel, Uriel, Michael) has appeared besides Raphael, who hasn't even been mentioned. This suggests that either, 1) Neil Gaiman didn't want people mixing them up with the [[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Ninja Turtle]], or they're being saved for something.
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Every Archangel (Gabriel, Uriel, Michael) has appeared besides Raphael, who hasn't even been mentioned. This suggests that either, 1) Neil Gaiman didn't want people mixing them up with the [[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Ninja Turtle]], or 2) they're being saved for something.
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This fantastic essay ( [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]] )goes into 36 pages of depth, but in summary: Background things things go missing when they shouldn't, Maggie is written weirdly next to the rest of the cast (the point that she feels more like a character than a person), and the new flashbacks often feature a notably meaner Crowley and a good-er Aziraphale. "Bildad the Shuhite" is also dressed wrong for Crowley of that era... Almost like someone knew about the shades being a constant, but didn't know when he started wearing them. Curious.
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This fantastic essay ( [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]] )goes into 36 pages of depth, but in summary: Background things things go missing when they shouldn't, Maggie is written weirdly next to the rest of the cast (the point that she feels more like a character than a person), and the new flashbacks often feature a notably meaner Crowley and a good-er Aziraphale. "Bildad the Shuhite" is also dressed wrong for Crowley of that era... Almost like someone knew about the shades being a constant, but didn't know when he started wearing them. Curious.Curious.
[[WMG: Crowley is Raphael]]
Every Archangel (Gabriel, Uriel, Michael) has appeared besides Raphael, who hasn't even been mentioned. This suggests that either, 1) Neil Gaiman didn't want people mixing them up with the [[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Ninja Turtle]], or they're being saved for something.
Crowley's name presumably wasn't Crowley or Crawley before he fell, and he seems to have had a decent rank in those days; it's not clear where a Dominion goes in the angelic ranks, but Crowley's able to open a file full of highly sensitive information because they haven't changed the passwords. He doesn't say Dominion ''was'' his rank, only that he had that rank or higher. So... what if he was, in fact, and Archangel?
Just a guess, but it would explain his being entrusted with important jobs, such as tempting Eve, delivering the Antichrist and acting as Hell's respresentative for 6000 years with very little oversight.
[[WMG: Aziraphale is going undercover]]
Because it's too sad otherwise, okay?
Seriously, though, watch him when Metatron mentions "The Second Coming." He does ''not'' like what he's hearing, and looks at Crowley standing by the car as if he'd ''very'' much like to jump in that car with him and drive away. Why doesn't he? Because Metatron would probably smite him before he reached the car, and then Crowley for good measure.
Even if he didn't, the Second Apocalypse is still going ahead. The previous head Archangel (Gabriel) passing on Armageddon 2 didn't stop anything happening; they just fired him and got someone else (Aziraphale). If Aziraphale passes too, they'll just find a third candidate, and that person might be on board. Whereas if Aziraphale seems to be on board, then he can act from the inside to prevent whatever's happening. That look is Aziraphale realising what a terrible mess he's just landed himself in... and that he's the only one who can fix it. And that creepy little smile midway through the credits was him putting on the mask.
Metatron mentioned his insider knowledge of humans being a factor in his appointment, so it may revolve around spreading misinformation. This will be complicated by the fact that espionage isn't exactly Aziraphale's strong point; remember what happened with the Nazis. So Crowley, having realised what's happening, will have to rescue him again.
[[WMG: Crowley is Raphael]]
Every Archangel (Gabriel, Uriel, Michael) has appeared besides Raphael, who hasn't even been mentioned. This suggests that either, 1) Neil Gaiman didn't want people mixing them up with the [[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Ninja Turtle]], or they're being saved for something.
Crowley's name presumably wasn't Crowley or Crawley before he fell, and he seems to have had a decent rank in those days; it's not clear where a Dominion goes in the angelic ranks, but Crowley's able to open a file full of highly sensitive information because they haven't changed the passwords. He doesn't say Dominion ''was'' his rank, only that he had that rank or higher. So... what if he was, in fact, and Archangel?
Just a guess, but it would explain his being entrusted with important jobs, such as tempting Eve, delivering the Antichrist and acting as Hell's respresentative for 6000 years with very little oversight.
[[WMG: Aziraphale is going undercover]]
Because it's too sad otherwise, okay?
Seriously, though, watch him when Metatron mentions "The Second Coming." He does ''not'' like what he's hearing, and looks at Crowley standing by the car as if he'd ''very'' much like to jump in that car with him and drive away. Why doesn't he? Because Metatron would probably smite him before he reached the car, and then Crowley for good measure.
Even if he didn't, the Second Apocalypse is still going ahead. The previous head Archangel (Gabriel) passing on Armageddon 2 didn't stop anything happening; they just fired him and got someone else (Aziraphale). If Aziraphale passes too, they'll just find a third candidate, and that person might be on board. Whereas if Aziraphale seems to be on board, then he can act from the inside to prevent whatever's happening. That look is Aziraphale realising what a terrible mess he's just landed himself in... and that he's the only one who can fix it. And that creepy little smile midway through the credits was him putting on the mask.
Metatron mentioned his insider knowledge of humans being a factor in his appointment, so it may revolve around spreading misinformation. This will be complicated by the fact that espionage isn't exactly Aziraphale's strong point; remember what happened with the Nazis. So Crowley, having realised what's happening, will have to rescue him again.
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This fantastic essay goes into 36 pages of depth, but in summary: Background things things go missing when they shouldn't, Maggie is written weirdly next to the rest of the cast (the point that she feels more like a character than a person), and the new flashbacks often feature a notably meaner Crowley and a good-er Aziraphale. "Bildad the Shuhite" is also dressed wrong for Crowley of that era... Almost like someone knew about the shades being a constant, but didn't know when he started wearing them. Curious.
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]]
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]]
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This fantastic essay goes ( [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]] )goes into 36 pages of depth, but in summary: Background things things go missing when they shouldn't, Maggie is written weirdly next to the rest of the cast (the point that she feels more like a character than a person), and the new flashbacks often feature a notably meaner Crowley and a good-er Aziraphale. "Bildad the Shuhite" is also dressed wrong for Crowley of that era... Almost like someone knew about the shades being a constant, but didn't know when he started wearing them. Curious.
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]]Curious.
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]]
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Kind of self-explanatory, perhaps after getting the wrong kind of confidence boost from anti-vaxxers, he decided to create his own Armageddon. He started small in Wuhan, and let things play out from there. Plus, we know for sure that COVID happened in this universe, since the crew created Lockdown videos.
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Kind of self-explanatory, perhaps after getting the wrong kind of confidence boost from anti-vaxxers, he decided to create his own Armageddon. He started small in Wuhan, and let things play out from there. Plus, we know for sure that COVID happened in this universe, since the crew created Lockdown videos.videos.
[[WMG: Season 2's writing is heavily doctored by Metatron to push Aziraphale away from Crowley]]
This fantastic essay goes into 36 pages of depth, but in summary: Background things things go missing when they shouldn't, Maggie is written weirdly next to the rest of the cast (the point that she feels more like a character than a person), and the new flashbacks often feature a notably meaner Crowley and a good-er Aziraphale. "Bildad the Shuhite" is also dressed wrong for Crowley of that era... Almost like someone knew about the shades being a constant, but didn't know when he started wearing them. Curious.
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]]
[[WMG: Season 2's writing is heavily doctored by Metatron to push Aziraphale away from Crowley]]
This fantastic essay goes into 36 pages of depth, but in summary: Background things things go missing when they shouldn't, Maggie is written weirdly next to the rest of the cast (the point that she feels more like a character than a person), and the new flashbacks often feature a notably meaner Crowley and a good-er Aziraphale. "Bildad the Shuhite" is also dressed wrong for Crowley of that era... Almost like someone knew about the shades being a constant, but didn't know when he started wearing them. Curious.
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/193IXS11XN46lziHRb6eUpM17yK0BQkRqke1Wh64A_e0]]
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Agnes foresaw that Newt would convince Anathema to burn it, and so didn't actually bother writing anything down. As for why she bothered sending a blank book in the first place, she wanted to let Anathema feel like she was truly in charge of her own life for once.
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Agnes foresaw that Newt would convince Anathema to burn it, and so didn't actually bother writing anything down. As for why she bothered sending a blank book in the first place, she wanted to let Anathema feel like she was truly in charge of her own life for once.once.
[[WMG: Pestilence caused the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic sometime after]]
Kind of self-explanatory, perhaps after getting the wrong kind of confidence boost from anti-vaxxers, he decided to create his own Armageddon. He started small in Wuhan, and let things play out from there. Plus, we know for sure that COVID happened in this universe, since the crew created Lockdown videos.
[[WMG: Pestilence caused the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic sometime after]]
Kind of self-explanatory, perhaps after getting the wrong kind of confidence boost from anti-vaxxers, he decided to create his own Armageddon. He started small in Wuhan, and let things play out from there. Plus, we know for sure that COVID happened in this universe, since the crew created Lockdown videos.
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Right before he escapes into the phone line, Crowley pretends to call something called "the Dark Council", which Hastur's reaction implies is an actual thing. Considering {{Beelzebub}} and Dagon are high up in Hell's hierarchy, with {{Satan}} obviously as the leader, the Dark Council is made up of the leading {{Fallen Angel}}s from Literature/ParadiseLost: Moloch, Chemos, Belial, Ashtaroth, Baalim, Mammon, Mulciber, etc. Also, because Hell is one half of a CelestialBureaucracy, the Council takes the form of a board of directors. And keeping in with the series's themes, they're actually slightly ''less'' corrupt than a human board of directors.
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Right before he escapes into the phone line, Crowley pretends to call something called "the Dark Council", which Hastur's reaction implies is an actual thing. Considering {{Beelzebub}} and Dagon are high up in Hell's hierarchy, with {{Satan}} obviously as the leader, the Dark Council is made up of the leading {{Fallen Angel}}s from Literature/ParadiseLost: Moloch, Chemos, Belial, Ashtaroth, Baalim, Mammon, Mulciber, etc. Also, because Hell is one half of a CelestialBureaucracy, the Council takes the form of a board of directors. And keeping in with the series's themes, they're actually slightly ''less'' corrupt than a human board of directors.directors.
[[WMG: The Further Nice and Accurate Prophecies was blank.]]
Agnes foresaw that Newt would convince Anathema to burn it, and so didn't actually bother writing anything down. As for why she bothered sending a blank book in the first place, she wanted to let Anathema feel like she was truly in charge of her own life for once.
[[WMG: The Further Nice and Accurate Prophecies was blank.]]
Agnes foresaw that Newt would convince Anathema to burn it, and so didn't actually bother writing anything down. As for why she bothered sending a blank book in the first place, she wanted to let Anathema feel like she was truly in charge of her own life for once.
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Maybe this time we'll finally get to see Cruelty To Animals, Really Cool People, Things Not Working Properly Even After You've Given Them a Good Thumping, and Grievous Bodily Harm.
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Maybe this time we'll finally get to see Cruelty To Animals, Really Cool People, Things Not Working Properly Even After You've Given Them a Good Thumping, and Grievous Bodily Harm.Harm.
[[WMG: The Dark Council]]
Right before he escapes into the phone line, Crowley pretends to call something called "the Dark Council", which Hastur's reaction implies is an actual thing. Considering {{Beelzebub}} and Dagon are high up in Hell's hierarchy, with {{Satan}} obviously as the leader, the Dark Council is made up of the leading {{Fallen Angel}}s from Literature/ParadiseLost: Moloch, Chemos, Belial, Ashtaroth, Baalim, Mammon, Mulciber, etc. Also, because Hell is one half of a CelestialBureaucracy, the Council takes the form of a board of directors. And keeping in with the series's themes, they're actually slightly ''less'' corrupt than a human board of directors.
[[WMG: The Dark Council]]
Right before he escapes into the phone line, Crowley pretends to call something called "the Dark Council", which Hastur's reaction implies is an actual thing. Considering {{Beelzebub}} and Dagon are high up in Hell's hierarchy, with {{Satan}} obviously as the leader, the Dark Council is made up of the leading {{Fallen Angel}}s from Literature/ParadiseLost: Moloch, Chemos, Belial, Ashtaroth, Baalim, Mammon, Mulciber, etc. Also, because Hell is one half of a CelestialBureaucracy, the Council takes the form of a board of directors. And keeping in with the series's themes, they're actually slightly ''less'' corrupt than a human board of directors.
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!The demons' HeadPet creatures are in fact the actual demons, and the humanoid bodies are empty shells puppeted around for the sake of speech and hands.
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Just an expansion of the defeat of the originals at their hands in the Tadsfield airbase.
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Just an expansion of the defeat of the originals at their hands in the Tadsfield airbase.airbase.
[[WMG: Season Two will include stuff from the book that didn't make it into the first season, albeit with the context altered.]]
Maybe this time we'll finally get to see Cruelty To Animals, Really Cool People, Things Not Working Properly Even After You've Given Them a Good Thumping, and Grievous Bodily Harm.
[[WMG: Season Two will include stuff from the book that didn't make it into the first season, albeit with the context altered.]]
Maybe this time we'll finally get to see Cruelty To Animals, Really Cool People, Things Not Working Properly Even After You've Given Them a Good Thumping, and Grievous Bodily Harm.
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* He did in fact suggest this on social media but from the way it’s phrased it comes across as a joke
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* He did in fact suggest this on social media but from the way it’s phrased it comes across as a jokejoke
[[WMG: When the Armageddon on Humanity starts, the Thems will receive the ensigns of the Riders as their opposite numbers]]
Just an expansion of the defeat of the originals at their hands in the Tadsfield airbase.
[[WMG: When the Armageddon on Humanity starts, the Thems will receive the ensigns of the Riders as their opposite numbers]]
Just an expansion of the defeat of the originals at their hands in the Tadsfield airbase.
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It would also make sense why the rebellious angels would be so keen on continuing to serve {{Satan}} even after he led to them being thrown out of Paradise, as they would have as much beef with their "good" counterparts as much as they do with God and they are allowed to be themselves in a place like {{Hell}}.
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It would also make sense why the rebellious angels would be so keen on continuing to serve {{Satan}} even after he led to them being thrown out of Paradise, as they would have as much beef with their "good" counterparts as much as they do with God and they are allowed to be themselves in a place like {{Hell}}.
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* This is an interesting idea, but some of Gabriel's dialogue to Aziraphale makes it clear that in the ''Good Omens'' timeline, the War in Heaven happened ''long before'' the creation of Earth (and, indeed, Heaven and Hell appear to believe that Earth was created ''for the purpose'' of serving as a battlefield on which to "settle things" between the two factions).
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Rumour has it Neil Gaiman himself suggested that.
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Rumour has it Neil Gaiman himself suggested that.that.
* He did in fact suggest this on social media but from the way it’s phrased it comes across as a joke
* He did in fact suggest this on social media but from the way it’s phrased it comes across as a joke
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It would also make sense why the rebellious angels would be so keen on continuing to serve {{Satan}} even after he led to them being thrown out of Paradise, as they would have as much beef with their "good" counterparts as much as they do with God and they are allowed to be themselves in a place like {{Hell}}.
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It would also make sense why the rebellious angels would be so keen on continuing to serve {{Satan}} even after he led to them being thrown out of Paradise, as they would have as much beef with their "good" counterparts as much as they do with God and they are allowed to be themselves in a place like {{Hell}}.{{Hell}}.
!The demons' HeadPet creatures are in fact the actual demons, and the humanoid bodies are empty shells puppeted around for the sake of speech and hands.
Rumour has it Neil Gaiman himself suggested that.
!The demons' HeadPet creatures are in fact the actual demons, and the humanoid bodies are empty shells puppeted around for the sake of speech and hands.
Rumour has it Neil Gaiman himself suggested that.
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*** With the series being a PragmaticAdaptation of the book, series!Brian could be a case of CompositeCharacter.
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Getting bored as time goes on, or deciding to do more good, Crowley assumes the name "the Doctor", and starts taking people to more places and worlds. Maybe he also uses the place Galilee as inspiration for the name of his "home planet", Gallifrey.
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Getting bored as time goes on, or deciding to do more good, Crowley assumes the name "the Doctor", and starts taking people to more places and worlds. Maybe he also uses the place Galilee as inspiration for the name of his "home planet", Gallifrey.Gallifrey.
[[WMG: Demons were actually created the way they were, not transformed or corrupted into it.]]
It is repeatedly mentions that the cosmology of this world says that Demons are {{Fallen Angel}}s; angels who rebelled against god, were cast down and became a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil beings in direct opposition of {{Heaven}}.
It is also mentioned that the Earth was only a few days old by the time Crowley (then-named "Crawley" caused the fall of man) and by then the dichotomy had been established long enough for Aziraphale and Crowley to assume things about each other. If Genesis is accurate, then that means that the universe was created and the War in Heaven occurred all within the span of a week. It could be possible that the afterlife operates in a TimeyWimeyBall or the creation of angelkind and the fall of a chunk of them occurred before time and the universe were even invented.
The book makes a clear point that angels are AlwaysLawfulGood, demons are AlwaysChaoticEvil and humanity's potential for both being why they are so special. While their behavior hint that the dichotomy of "angels are good" and "demons are evil" are based around CulturalPosturing and NatureVsNurture (God herself states that they were "cut from the same cloth"), their weaknesses against Holy Water and Hellfire are what illustrates that their differences run down deep into the genes (or whatever it is they have).
This theory exposits that God created what would eventually become the Fallen Angels in their natural states. All of their wings were black, their behavior would eventually be labeled "bad" once God made the difference between good and evil and "holy water" and "hellfire" were called something else before the line between "holy" and "unholy" was drawn. It would be like different breeds of dog or the difference between dark chocolate and white chocolate. The differences between them would be distinct enough that distrust would occur between the two factions - perhaps even some form of prejudice - and [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything all it took was a handsome, charismatic populist among the soon-to-be-fallen angels to inspire an uprising and urging his brethren to embrace their natures that they didn't even know they had]].
It would also make sense why the rebellious angels would be so keen on continuing to serve {{Satan}} even after he led to them being thrown out of Paradise, as they would have as much beef with their "good" counterparts as much as they do with God and they are allowed to be themselves in a place like {{Hell}}.
[[WMG: Demons were actually created the way they were, not transformed or corrupted into it.]]
It is repeatedly mentions that the cosmology of this world says that Demons are {{Fallen Angel}}s; angels who rebelled against god, were cast down and became a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil beings in direct opposition of {{Heaven}}.
It is also mentioned that the Earth was only a few days old by the time Crowley (then-named "Crawley" caused the fall of man) and by then the dichotomy had been established long enough for Aziraphale and Crowley to assume things about each other. If Genesis is accurate, then that means that the universe was created and the War in Heaven occurred all within the span of a week. It could be possible that the afterlife operates in a TimeyWimeyBall or the creation of angelkind and the fall of a chunk of them occurred before time and the universe were even invented.
The book makes a clear point that angels are AlwaysLawfulGood, demons are AlwaysChaoticEvil and humanity's potential for both being why they are so special. While their behavior hint that the dichotomy of "angels are good" and "demons are evil" are based around CulturalPosturing and NatureVsNurture (God herself states that they were "cut from the same cloth"), their weaknesses against Holy Water and Hellfire are what illustrates that their differences run down deep into the genes (or whatever it is they have).
This theory exposits that God created what would eventually become the Fallen Angels in their natural states. All of their wings were black, their behavior would eventually be labeled "bad" once God made the difference between good and evil and "holy water" and "hellfire" were called something else before the line between "holy" and "unholy" was drawn. It would be like different breeds of dog or the difference between dark chocolate and white chocolate. The differences between them would be distinct enough that distrust would occur between the two factions - perhaps even some form of prejudice - and [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything all it took was a handsome, charismatic populist among the soon-to-be-fallen angels to inspire an uprising and urging his brethren to embrace their natures that they didn't even know they had]].
It would also make sense why the rebellious angels would be so keen on continuing to serve {{Satan}} even after he led to them being thrown out of Paradise, as they would have as much beef with their "good" counterparts as much as they do with God and they are allowed to be themselves in a place like {{Hell}}.
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** It isn't a nod to that. The name is from the book, which eventually reveals that the other baby at the hospital ''was'' adopted into Tadfield, and he's the leader of The Them's rival gang, the Johnsonites.
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[[WMG: Crowley is '[[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]]'']]
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[[WMG: Crowley is '[[Series/DoctorWho "[[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]]'']]
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* Or it shares a community with WorldOfDarkness, where the Almighty is also a woman, who holds both angels and demons for fools and has her own plan.
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* Or it shares a community with WorldOfDarkness, where the Almighty is also a woman, who holds both angels and demons for fools and has her own plan.plan.
[[WMG: Crowley is '[[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]]'']]
In episode 3, Crowley takes Jesus to see "all the kingdoms in the world", saying that "...he's a carpenter from Galilee, his traveling opportunities are limited" to explain why he did it.
Getting bored as time goes on, or deciding to do more good, Crowley assumes the name "the Doctor", and starts taking people to more places and worlds. Maybe he also uses the place Galilee as inspiration for the name of his "home planet", Gallifrey.
[[WMG: Crowley is '[[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]]'']]
In episode 3, Crowley takes Jesus to see "all the kingdoms in the world", saying that "...he's a carpenter from Galilee, his traveling opportunities are limited" to explain why he did it.
Getting bored as time goes on, or deciding to do more good, Crowley assumes the name "the Doctor", and starts taking people to more places and worlds. Maybe he also uses the place Galilee as inspiration for the name of his "home planet", Gallifrey.
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After Lucifer sent his mother into another universe, she started over and decided to give a try at creation herself. And let's just say that history repeats a bit. Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.
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After Lucifer sent his mother into another universe, she started over and decided to give a try at creation herself. And let's just say that history repeats a bit. Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.franchises.
* Or it shares a community with WorldOfDarkness, where the Almighty is also a woman, who holds both angels and demons for fools and has her own plan.
* Or it shares a community with WorldOfDarkness, where the Almighty is also a woman, who holds both angels and demons for fools and has her own plan.
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After Lucifer sent his mother into another universe, she started over and decided to give a try at creation herself. And let's just say that history repeats a bit.
Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.
Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.
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After Lucifer sent his mother into another universe, she started over and decided to give a try at creation herself. And let's just say that history repeats a bit.
bit. Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.
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[[WMG: There will be a second season, focusing on the war of humanity against heaven and hell.]]
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[[WMG: There will be a second season, focusing on the war of humanity against heaven and hell.]]]]
[[WMG: The reason that God is addressed as "Her" is because the miniseries is connected to ''Series/{{Lucifer}}'']]
After Lucifer sent his mother into another universe, she started over and decided to give a try at creation herself. And let's just say that history repeats a bit.
Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.
[[WMG: The reason that God is addressed as "Her" is because the miniseries is connected to ''Series/{{Lucifer}}'']]
After Lucifer sent his mother into another universe, she started over and decided to give a try at creation herself. And let's just say that history repeats a bit.
Also works on a meta level due to Creator/NeilGaiman being involved with both franchises.
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All the other children have backstories but Brian isn’t given one. His name could be a nod to Life of Brian, where he is the messiah.
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All the other children have backstories but Brian isn’t given one. His name could be a nod to Life of Brian, where he is the messiah.messiah.
[[WMG: There will be a second season, focusing on the war of humanity against heaven and hell.]]
[[WMG: There will be a second season, focusing on the war of humanity against heaven and hell.]]
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This is based on Crowley's hypothesis that God's "ineffable" plan is for the real final battle to be between Humanity and it's supporters and the combined forces of Heaven and Hell. Assuming this is the case, then logically those events would wind up being covered by the show.
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This is based on Crowley's hypothesis that God's "ineffable" plan is for the real final battle to be between Humanity and it's supporters and the combined forces of Heaven and Hell. Assuming this is the case, then logically those events would wind up being covered by the show.show.
[[WMG: Adam’s friend, Brian, is the other child born at the hospital.]]
All the other children have backstories but Brian isn’t given one. His name could be a nod to Life of Brian, where he is the messiah.
[[WMG: Adam’s friend, Brian, is the other child born at the hospital.]]
All the other children have backstories but Brian isn’t given one. His name could be a nod to Life of Brian, where he is the messiah.
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It makes Michael being the one to pour the holy water used to execute "Crowley" dramatically appropriate, as well. She's probably eager to kill the guy who murdered her friend, but has to keep it under wraps.
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It makes Michael being the one to pour the holy water used to execute "Crowley" dramatically appropriate, as well. She's probably eager to kill the guy who murdered her friend, but has to keep it under wraps.wraps.
[[WMG:A future season (or seasons) would wind up being Aziraphale and Crowley's adventures during this universe's answer to ''[[Literature/TheSalvationWar The Salvation War]]'' [[Literature/TheSalvationWar and]] ''[[Literature/TheSalvationWar Pantheocide]]'']]
This is based on Crowley's hypothesis that God's "ineffable" plan is for the real final battle to be between Humanity and it's supporters and the combined forces of Heaven and Hell. Assuming this is the case, then logically those events would wind up being covered by the show.
[[WMG:A future season (or seasons) would wind up being Aziraphale and Crowley's adventures during this universe's answer to ''[[Literature/TheSalvationWar The Salvation War]]'' [[Literature/TheSalvationWar and]] ''[[Literature/TheSalvationWar Pantheocide]]'']]
This is based on Crowley's hypothesis that God's "ineffable" plan is for the real final battle to be between Humanity and it's supporters and the combined forces of Heaven and Hell. Assuming this is the case, then logically those events would wind up being covered by the show.
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[[WMG:Michael and Ligur were friends, or nearly so.]]
There's not a whole lot to support this, but they're seen conversing, quite civilly (all things considered) and obviously not for the first time.
It makes Michael being the one to pour the holy water used to execute "Crowley" dramatically appropriate, as well. She's probably eager to kill the guy who murdered her friend, but has to keep it under wraps.
There's not a whole lot to support this, but they're seen conversing, quite civilly (all things considered) and obviously not for the first time.
It makes Michael being the one to pour the holy water used to execute "Crowley" dramatically appropriate, as well. She's probably eager to kill the guy who murdered her friend, but has to keep it under wraps.
