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There arguments seem to be more of a SlapSlapKiss then actual hatred, and look at [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060315 this]], their closeness doesn't seem very, ahem, professional. Also, as dedicated and strong willed as Klaus is, he's still human and she's an [[EvilIsSexy attractively]] [[AmbiguouslyBrown tan chick]], and why would Bangladesh do it? Well Klaus is [[MrFanservice pretty]] hot, and maybe Bangladesh likes old guys.

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There arguments seem to be more of a SlapSlapKiss then actual hatred, and look at [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060315 this]], their closeness doesn't seem very, ahem, professional. Also, as dedicated and strong willed as Klaus is, he's still human and she's an [[EvilIsSexy attractively]] attractivel [[AmbiguouslyBrown tan chick]], and why would Bangladesh do it? Well Klaus is [[MrFanservice pretty]] hot, and maybe Bangladesh likes old guys.
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\n\n** Recent revelations suggest that she could end up ascending herself to be like Albia.

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Authority Equals Asskicking has been renamed.


Assuming he was a Heterodyne (he does have more than a passing resemblance to what would happen if Bill and Barry were combined), the castle recognizes him as someone who ''was'' one of her masters, but now he's not legally qualified to be in charge. He's old enough that he doesn't smell much like Bill, Barry, and Agatha (to the Jaegers), but rather like their great-great-great-great-great grandfather. Assuming he is [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking of some other noble lineage]] (such as a [[BadassFamily Wulfenbach]] from before Gil's time, and possibly even the ''reason'' for the first "physically dead, legally dead" laws) who was revived and subsequently went for broke on collecting power-ups, this doesn't have much evidence for it but it also doesn't have any evidence ''against'' it.

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Assuming he was a Heterodyne (he does have more than a passing resemblance to what would happen if Bill and Barry were combined), the castle recognizes him as someone who ''was'' one of her masters, but now he's not legally qualified to be in charge. He's old enough that he doesn't smell much like Bill, Barry, and Agatha (to the Jaegers), but rather like their great-great-great-great-great grandfather. Assuming he is [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking [[RankScalesWithAsskicking of some other noble lineage]] (such as a [[BadassFamily Wulfenbach]] from before Gil's time, and possibly even the ''reason'' for the first "physically dead, legally dead" laws) who was revived and subsequently went for broke on collecting power-ups, this doesn't have much evidence for it but it also doesn't have any evidence ''against'' it.
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[[WMG: The Dingbot Castle Heterodyne was made from the Fun-MADD control systems]]
The Fun-Sized Mobile Agony and Death Dispensers were [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110824#.Y_PILpDMJ3s still]] out of the Castle's control after Agatha restored it (Otilia: "They cannot hear the Castle, but they obey me"), and the parts that Du Quay tried to use to take over Paris were stolen shortly [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150810#.Y_PHxZDMJ3u after the Other's attack]]. And after Agatha remade the stolen Castle parts into a Dingbot it could still take [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150902#.Y_PJVZDMJ3s remote control]] of other clanks.
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She's a classic MauveShirt type generally, and she and Othar have expressed the intention to start adventuring together once they're out of the castle, but in the radio dramas, presumably taking place after Agatha's in residence (and all the prisoners free), she's nowhere to be seen. Add in the fact that she's one of the legs of a LoveTriangle - in general [[ThePlotReaper not a healthy position]] to be in - and [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100908 this strip]] is going to become a FunnyAneurysmMoment before long, especially if [[MurderTheHypotenuse Snaug is responsible]] (although probably not).

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She's a classic MauveShirt type generally, and she and Othar have expressed the intention to start adventuring together once they're out of the castle, but in the radio dramas, presumably taking place after Agatha's in residence (and all the prisoners free), she's nowhere to be seen. Add in the fact that she's one of the legs of a LoveTriangle - in general [[ThePlotReaper not a healthy position]] to be in - and [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100908 this strip]] is going to become a FunnyAneurysmMoment HarsherInHindsight before long, especially if [[MurderTheHypotenuse Snaug is responsible]] (although probably not).
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[[WMG:The Other, the Geisterdamen, and the Moon]]
It's been speculated for a while that the reason [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100712 nobody has found the Citadel of Silver Light]] (which is where the Geisterdamen come from) is because it's on the moon. The Geisters carry around some moon-like symbols and their light blue appearance makes them look like lunar aliens. This speculation didn't have much evidence for a very long time -- ''but then'' in ''[[https://twitter.com/Othar/status/1369538680587653121 2021]],'' Othar's Twitter mentioned that Eotain (a Geisterdame who defected) was afraid of the Moon and she's been like this since the Geisters came to Europa. Maybe she's scared because she thinks her goddess can see her from up there? Could explain how the Other could drop slaver engines from the sky in the prologue of ''Literature/AgathaHAndTheAirshipCity''.
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Asskicking Leads To Leadership is the new name of the trope.


Part of the old family, someone close enough to not only run with the Jaegers but to have a familiarity with their generals and Mamma Gkika but outside of the purview of what makes a descendant of a Heterodyne part of the Jaeger-smelt, castle-commanding Heterodyne line. Possibly a lack of Spark, or a much weaker (but, as we've seen by comparing various sparks, not necessarily less effective) spark. If he was given powerup potion (and the healing draught necessary to keep his overpowered body from permanently ravaging itself) often enough that his body adapted to it, in order to [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority keep him near the top of the Jaegers' "people in charge" list]], it could account for increased lifespan and [[BadassFamily possibly]] strength beyond the typical Heterodyne.

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Part of the old family, someone close enough to not only run with the Jaegers but to have a familiarity with their generals and Mamma Gkika but outside of the purview of what makes a descendant of a Heterodyne part of the Jaeger-smelt, castle-commanding Heterodyne line. Possibly a lack of Spark, or a much weaker (but, as we've seen by comparing various sparks, not necessarily less effective) spark. If he was given powerup potion (and the healing draught necessary to keep his overpowered body from permanently ravaging itself) often enough that his body adapted to it, in order to [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority [[AsskickingLeadsToLeadership keep him near the top of the Jaegers' "people in charge" list]], it could account for increased lifespan and [[BadassFamily possibly]] strength beyond the typical Heterodyne.
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* Yeah, no to the "never in the Madness Place" bit. [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060331 He]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090807 has]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100426 been]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120903 in]] the Madness Place [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110117 before]].\\

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* Yeah, no No to the "never in the Madness Place" bit. [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060331 He]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090807 has]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100426 been]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120903 in]] the Madness Place [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110117 before]].\\



Also, it's worth noting that for all of those times he IS in the Madness Place, he's never seen doing anything ''too'' unreasonable. Even Agatha and Gil have been short-sighted when in the Madness Place at times, Meanwhile, "Mad" Tarvek is basically just super-focused rather than actually ''insane.'' So you may have a point there about his Spark being under better control.

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Also, it's worth noting that for all of those times he IS in the Madness Place, he's never seen doing anything ''too'' unreasonable. Even Agatha and Gil have been short-sighted when in the Madness Place at times, times. Meanwhile, "Mad" Tarvek is basically just super-focused rather than actually ''insane.'' So you may have a point there about his Spark being under better control.

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Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lucrezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then one day he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and overnight his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia Mongfish can really truly The Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars with a base on the Moon or wherever.

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Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The the Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lucrezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then one day he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and overnight his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The "the Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia Mongfish can really truly The the Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The the Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars with a base on the Moon or wherever.




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* Yeah, no to the "never in the Madness Place" bit. [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060331 He]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090807 has]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100426 been]] [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120903 in]] the Madness Place [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110117 before]].\\
BUT, you ARE correct on him willing to take "no" for an answer and about some of his other more reserved tendencies.\\
Also, it's worth noting that for all of those times he IS in the Madness Place, he's never seen doing anything ''too'' unreasonable. Even Agatha and Gil have been short-sighted when in the Madness Place at times, Meanwhile, "Mad" Tarvek is basically just super-focused rather than actually ''insane.'' So you may have a point there about his Spark being under better control.
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** Well, if you're trying to gain independance from a God Queen, having to resort to that level of deterrent makes a lot of sense.
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[[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140811 This comic]] has Bang call her "[Gil's] big metal nanny". It would'nt be the first time Otilia started answering to a new name.

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[[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140811 This comic]] has Bang call her "[Gil's] big metal nanny". It would'nt wouldn't be the first time Otilia started answering to a new name.

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Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lurezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then one day he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and overnight his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia can really truly The Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars or whatever.

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Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lurezia Lucrezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then one day he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and overnight his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia Mongfish can really truly The Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars with a base on the Moon or whatever.
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Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lurezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia can really truly The Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars or whatever.

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Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lurezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then one day he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and overnight his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia can really truly The Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars or whatever.
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[[WMG:The Other possessed Lucrezia at a ''very'' young age.]]
Here's a middle ground between the "Lucrezia = The Other, end of story" stance and the "Lucrezia got possessed by The Other" stance. Back when Bill, Barry, Klaus, and Lurezia were all just little kids, Dr. Lucifer Mongfish is tinkering around with portal/extradimensional/time/whatever technology. Then he forgets to lock his lab door after leaving, and his daughter Lucrezia walks into the lab unattended - where the alien/demon[=/=]EldritchAbomination[=/=]time-creature/whatever we call "The Other" takes over little Lucrezia's body. She grows up, all the while nobody realizes Dr. Mongfish's daughter hasn't been in that body for decades. There: that way Lucrezia can really truly The Other the 'entire' time, ''and'' The Other can be a shadow-spawn from beyond the stars or whatever.
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*** Counterpoint: the "new/this calling" stuff she mentions just means "this/new copy from the Summoning Engine".
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** It could just be the result of a MutualKill between The Other and everyone else. That's why people like Tarvek would still be alive in bunkers. Or The Other could have just moved the enslaved survivors to worship she/they/it in the Geister headquarters. Plus, whenever The Other has shown up on-screen, she/they/it seemed to be all about ''controlling'' people but not so muh wiping out humanity.

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** It could just be the result of a MutualKill between The Other and everyone else. That's why people like Tarvek would still be alive in bunkers. Or The Other could have just moved the enslaved survivors to worship she/they/it in the Geister headquarters. Plus, whenever The Other has shown up on-screen, she/they/it seemed to be all about ''controlling'' people but not so muh much wiping out humanity.

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