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* Or they're like the [[ChildhoodsEnd Overlords]].
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* [[spoiler: Brainwashing Olivia and then using her as research into crossing over safely.
This way he can get his DoomsdayDevice up and running, and then (should the crossing over research pan out)swoop in and grab both Peter and the device, then activate it.]]
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* [[spoiler: Brainwashing Olivia and then using her as research into crossing over safely. \n ]]
[[spoiler: This way he can get his DoomsdayDevice up and running, and then (should the crossing over research pan out)swoop in and grab both Peter and the device, then activate it.]]
[[spoiler: This way he can get his DoomsdayDevice up and running, and then (should the crossing over research pan out)swoop in and grab both Peter and the device, then activate it.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Walternate wants to steal the rest of the machine from our side]]]]
[[spoiler: This explains everything (plot-relevant) he's done this season so far:]]
* [[spoiler: Replacing Olivia with Fauxlivia, then using her to set both Peter and Walter on constructing the machine.]]
* [[spoiler: Brainwashing Olivia and then using her as research into crossing over safely.
This way he can get his DoomsdayDevice up and running, and then (should the crossing over research pan out)swoop in and grab both Peter and the device, then activate it.]]
[[spoiler: This explains everything (plot-relevant) he's done this season so far:]]
* [[spoiler: Replacing Olivia with Fauxlivia, then using her to set both Peter and Walter on constructing the machine.]]
* [[spoiler: Brainwashing Olivia and then using her as research into crossing over safely.
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He's cheated death before (revived from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.
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He's cheated death before (revived (recovery from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.
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[[WMG: [[HesJustHiding Newton's Just Hiding.]]]]
He's cheated death before (revived from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.
He's cheated death before (revived from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.
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[[WMG: The "Observers" are really a remnant of the "First Race" that [[spoiler: built the doomsday machine]]
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[[WMG: The "Observers" are really a remnant of the "First Race" that [[spoiler: built the doomsday machine]]machine]]]]
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** If not full on convert him, at least manipulate him into helping without him realizing it.
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** well the increased militarization could just be the result of the fabric of reality breaking down for the last 2 decades.
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** {{Jossed}} it was really built by [[spoiler: A race of humans that evolved millions of years ago]]
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** The reason Walters single crossing did more damage then all of the alternate 'verse's crossing is because of the way they cross, Walter's device basically ripped a giant hole in the fabric of both universes, and while their world is having the worst effects, it's already confirmed that ours was also somewhat effected. After that a way was discovered to cross that didn't further damage the realities, but it's extremely dangerous, and has massive, cumulative side effects. which is why they developed the shapeshifters, cause they can use that means without the risks. remember, the first time Walter crossed he went there and back with no personal side effects, but when Walternate came over using the newer version he needed to be put in a hyberbaric chamber and load with medicine to recover.
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* It just makes sense, it would explain why they are not "quite" human, there greater knowledge, advanced tech, etc...
[[WMG: The "Observers" are really a remnant of the "First Race" that [[spoiler: built the doomsday machine]]
* It just makes sense, it would explain why they are not "quite" human, there greater knowledge, advanced tech, etc...
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2:There are other universes, one of which is purposely causing the disasters which have been observed in the alternate universe we know of. Who said that there can only be one other universe? If they are using the quantum possibilities explanation, then there's no way there are only two. Look at the differences between them. The divergence point has to be somewhere after or just before the American Revolution. There are far too many similarities between the two for me to accept that they've always been two separate, unconnected universes. Given how different they are, if they had separate histories going back to ancient times, the Roman Empire might not have fallen, or France may have become a major empire, or China could have colonized North America, or any of a number of things. Where do the Observers come from? they can travel between universes without apparent problems, but don't seem to regard either that we've seen as home. It just makes sense for there to be more universes........within the acceptable breaks from reality we already accept in this show.
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2:There are other universes, one of which is purposely causing the disasters which have been observed in the alternate universe we know of. Who said that there can only be one other universe? If they are using the quantum possibilities explanation, then there's no way there are only two. Look at the differences between them. The divergence point has to be somewhere after or just before the American Revolution. There are far too many similarities between the two for me to accept that they've always been two separate, unconnected universes. Given how different they are, if they had separate histories going back to ancient times, the Roman Empire might not have fallen, or France may have become a major empire, or China could have colonized North America, or fish people could have become the dominant species of the planet, or any of a number of things. Where do the Observers come from? they They can travel between universes without apparent problems, but don't seem to regard either that we've seen as home. It just makes sense for there to be more universes........within the acceptable breaks from reality we already accept in this show.
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[[WMG: Walter isn't actually to blame for the breakdown of the Alternate Universe.]]
We know that the observers and inhabitants of the Alternate Universe have repeatedly traveled to our universe without consequences nearly as severe. Sure sci-fi science is possible now, but we've experienced no 'black holes' that would warent the quarantine procedure. I realize Hollywood science is deliberately in play, but I just don't buy that one trip, granted a hasty trip using a machine that probably barely worked, could cause more damage than multiple and continuing trips. I think there are two good guesses as to what's really going on.
1: Walternate has lied or exaggerated about the severity of the dangers his universe faces, in order to gain the power he needs to pull off the revenge he has planned. Note that Fringe Division reacted to our Cortexifan heros entering their universe by almost quarantining it right then and there, only stopping because it stabilized. In the next season, we see that the theatre gets ambered anyway, probably under orders from Walternate, who wanted to keep Olivia over there. Who's to say that most of the other 'events' that have resulted in quarantine wouldn't have stabilized/not created a 'black hole'. All Walternate would have had to've done to convince their government to start the quarantine procedures is create one or two disasters and then lie about it. I mean he's a mad scientist, come on. Because of the scope of these tragedies, the government would do whatever would prevent more from happening, sealing off all situations which might create instabilities, and giving Walternate goverment power because he has 'prevented' any more disasters from occurring.
2:There are other universes, one of which is purposely causing the disasters which have been observed in the alternate universe we know of. Who said that there can only be one other universe? If they are using the quantum possibilities explanation, then there's no way there are only two. Look at the differences between them. The divergence point has to be somewhere after or just before the American Revolution. There are far too many similarities between the two for me to accept that they've always been two separate, unconnected universes. Given how different they are, if they had separate histories going back to ancient times, the Roman Empire might not have fallen, or France may have become a major empire, or China could have colonized North America, or any of a number of things. Where do the Observers come from? they can travel between universes without apparent problems, but don't seem to regard either that we've seen as home. It just makes sense for there to be more universes........within the acceptable breaks from reality we already accept in this show.
We know that the observers and inhabitants of the Alternate Universe have repeatedly traveled to our universe without consequences nearly as severe. Sure sci-fi science is possible now, but we've experienced no 'black holes' that would warent the quarantine procedure. I realize Hollywood science is deliberately in play, but I just don't buy that one trip, granted a hasty trip using a machine that probably barely worked, could cause more damage than multiple and continuing trips. I think there are two good guesses as to what's really going on.
1: Walternate has lied or exaggerated about the severity of the dangers his universe faces, in order to gain the power he needs to pull off the revenge he has planned. Note that Fringe Division reacted to our Cortexifan heros entering their universe by almost quarantining it right then and there, only stopping because it stabilized. In the next season, we see that the theatre gets ambered anyway, probably under orders from Walternate, who wanted to keep Olivia over there. Who's to say that most of the other 'events' that have resulted in quarantine wouldn't have stabilized/not created a 'black hole'. All Walternate would have had to've done to convince their government to start the quarantine procedures is create one or two disasters and then lie about it. I mean he's a mad scientist, come on. Because of the scope of these tragedies, the government would do whatever would prevent more from happening, sealing off all situations which might create instabilities, and giving Walternate goverment power because he has 'prevented' any more disasters from occurring.
2:There are other universes, one of which is purposely causing the disasters which have been observed in the alternate universe we know of. Who said that there can only be one other universe? If they are using the quantum possibilities explanation, then there's no way there are only two. Look at the differences between them. The divergence point has to be somewhere after or just before the American Revolution. There are far too many similarities between the two for me to accept that they've always been two separate, unconnected universes. Given how different they are, if they had separate histories going back to ancient times, the Roman Empire might not have fallen, or France may have become a major empire, or China could have colonized North America, or any of a number of things. Where do the Observers come from? they can travel between universes without apparent problems, but don't seem to regard either that we've seen as home. It just makes sense for there to be more universes........within the acceptable breaks from reality we already accept in this show.
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Ancient tech, a strange and potentially apocalyptic machine powered by one chosen man? Rambaldi.
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Ancient tech, a strange and potentially apocalyptic machine powered by one chosen man? Rambaldi.
man, pieces that need to be found? It's got to be Rambaldi.
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[[WMG: The Peter Doomsday machine was invented by [[{{Alias}} Rambaldi.]]]]
Ancient tech, a strange and potentially apocalyptic machine powered by one chosen man? Rambaldi.
Ancient tech, a strange and potentially apocalyptic machine powered by one chosen man? Rambaldi.
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[[WMG: The late Alt!Bell had a [[BeardOfEvil goatee]]!]]
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[[WMG: The late deceased Alt!Bell had a [[BeardOfEvil goatee]]!]]
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** And William Bell is the ancestor of Amanda Grayson, and therefore of [[IdenticalGrandfather Mr. Spock]].
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Considering [[LeonardNimoy who]] was cast as William Bell, [[IAmNotSpock it just isn't possible to be any other way]].
Considering [[LeonardNimoy who]] was cast as William Bell, [[IAmNotSpock it just isn't possible to be any other way]].
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[[WMG: Sam Weiss is the Real BigBad]]
Everything else is just him manipulating events behind the scenes to his advantage.
Everything else is just him manipulating events behind the scenes to his advantage.
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Because it just seems like an obvious place to end the story.
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Because it just seems like an obvious place to end the story.
story. The superweapon will be fired, causing the universe to split in two, and its parts will be scattered.
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[[WMG: The series finale will reveal the point where the two universes split.]]
Because it just seems like an obvious place to end the story.
Because it just seems like an obvious place to end the story.
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* I know this isn't the place for FanFicRecs, but since [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6020258/1/The_Planets_Bend_Between_Us this fic]] was clearly written by someone who read the above WMG, I felt it was appropriate to put here.
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* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was {{foreshadowing}}?
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* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of on them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was {{foreshadowing}}?
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* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was foreshadowing?
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* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was foreshadowing?{{foreshadowing}}?
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* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite ancient. [[AncientAstronauts ancient]]. The appearance of the devices themselves have a sufficientlyAdvancedAlien SufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was foreshadowing?
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[[WMG: The Superweapon Walternate is building is of alien origin]]
* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite ancient. The appearance of the devices themselves have a sufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was foreshadowing?
** Not to mention an alien entity ''did'' appear in ''Earthling''.
* Made pretty clear in Season 3, Episode 2. It is mentioned that the technology thats part of the Superweapon is quite ancient. The appearance of the devices themselves have a sufficientlyAdvancedAlien look to them, their segmented appearance and odd, bronze tinted coloration resembling nothing we saw in either universe. To top it off, they have odd runes of them that just ''scream'' alien. Further supported by Walter's speculation that the Cortexiphan-fuelled abilities were common throughout humanity until their disappearance. At the point, it simply came off like Walter's usual crazed speculations but what if it was foreshadowing?
** Not to mention an alien entity ''did'' appear in ''Earthling''.
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[[WMG: Astrid is the secret love child of Nina Sharp and Phillip Broyles.]]
Sharp and Broyles had something romantic going on. Astrid is the product of this something and was adopted as an infant by who she now thinks are her parents.
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* [[spoiler: {{Jossed}} by MindRape]]
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* The writers have said that Season 3 is going to be half 'This Side' and half 'The Other Side', meaning HALF of Season 3 is going to be with the alternate, military Fringe Division.
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[[WMG: Alt!Nina will be a bum or a mental patient]]
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[[WMG: In the Alternate Universe, George W. Bush was killed in office and replaced by Dick Cheney in in 9/11.]]
The increased militarization and regimentation in the alternate universe is partly a response to this. Evidence: we know the White House was damaged or destroyed on 9/11/2001 instead of the Twin Towers.
Because it means we get more Charlie and a cheerfully nonchalant version of Olivia.
[[WMG: Alt!Liv was never treated with cortexiphan as a child.]]
Peter says she isn't haunted like his Olivia. And nobody knows who Andrew Jackson is, so presumably there is no town called "Jacksonville." Compare Alt!Liv's easy going, relaxed attitude to our troubled, straight-laced agent. It's a world of difference.
The increased militarization and regimentation in the alternate universe is partly a response to this. Evidence: we know the White House was damaged or destroyed on 9/11/2001 instead of the Twin Towers.
Because it means we get more Charlie and a cheerfully nonchalant version of Olivia.
[[WMG: Alt!Liv was never treated with cortexiphan as a child.]]
Peter says she isn't haunted like his Olivia. And nobody knows who Andrew Jackson is, so presumably there is no town called "Jacksonville." Compare Alt!Liv's easy going, relaxed attitude to our troubled, straight-laced agent. It's a world of difference.
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I just wanted to feel like I contributed.
I just wanted to feel like I contributed.
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* It'd be pretty simple to do, really. Reveal that Alt!Charlie is plagued by the death of his wife (maybe he somehow spread the arachnids to her or something and she didn't make it). He learns that his wife is still alive in the other universe, and incidentally has tragically lost her husband in a [[DroppedABridgeOnHim bridge-related accident]]. He decides that he's willing to leave his own universe to be with his wife again, and Walter (who, in the other universe, was too busy with his [[PoweredByAForsakenChild Son-powered]] [[OmnicidalManiac Universe-murdering machine]] to cure Charlie) fixes up his nasty case of arachnids with about as much effort as it takes to eat a licorice twist.
