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[[WMG: Had Waver participated to the Fifth War, he would have summoned Iskandar again, and the Einzberns would have summoned [[Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar Caesar]] to counter him]]

[[WMG: Had Waver participated to the Fifth War, he would have summoned Iskandar again, and the Einzberns would have summoned [[GaiusJuliusCaesar Caesar]] to counter him]]

** The main problem with trying to use Caesar as a counter for Alexander is that both of them would have their most likely class be Rider, and you can't have two riders at once.

* The upcoming film features a rural village reminiscent of ''TheHillsHaveEyes'', with ''[[OurGhoulsAreDifferent aswangs]]''. Shirley was made into a [[TheUndead Dead Apostle]] due to {{curiosity|is a crapshoot}}.

* Considering the dark-haired soldier in Ionion Hetaroi is wearing a ''necktie'' and Iskander was never summoned into a time period containing neckties until the Fourth Grail War (a fact we can infer from his catalyst having only recently been found prior to the War), it stands to reason that it is, in fact, someone that Iskander met during the modern age and forged a powerful bond with. So it's either Future!Waver, the old Canadian man he lived with age-regressed, or the guy who delivered his T-shirt. Take your pick.

** They would settle for Caesar for the following reasons: being a Roman noble he'd be more reliable than Gilgamesh (at least in theory); the Roman army was quite adept at dismantling the phalanx (they faced it in many battles, and ''always'' massacred it. Even Hannibal got his phalanx massacred the one time the Romans managed to force him in a head on battle), and Caesar being the great general he was he would be able to compensate for Alexander being smart enough to ''cover the flanks'' (how the Romans massacred the phalanx: they used their superior mobility to reach the flanks and started chopping) and use combined arms, so he could very well win; the smartass got everything he wanted from life ([[MagnificentBastard possibly including becoming a martyr when he was still loved]]), so he would be uninterested into the Grail. Of course summoning Caesar could still bite them back in the ass for five different reasons: Caesar being a very successful womanizer ([[AnythingThatMoves and not limited to women]]) there's the chance he would learn they would betray him in the end by an homunculus he seduced, and, given how Kiritsugu was able to accidentally subvert Irysviel, the much more charismatic Caesar would simply subvert ''all'' the homunculi to his service and have them slain the entire family in their sleep (easy and granting him success, while simply attacking them could end with him killed by combat homunculi); if they summon him too early he could take exception at the unnecessary pain they caused Illya (and Caesar would subvert the homunculi and have the family slain even faster); if he finds out Illya will be sacrificed to become the Grail Vessel, Caesar could take exception; Caesar being smart and not having a Mad Enhanchement keeping him dumb he would realize that Illya has been brainwashed into hating her father and adopted brother; maybe Caesar ''has'' an unfulfilled wish that nobody knew of, and would get rid of the Einzberns so they couldn't stop him as he subverts Ilya into his service.

** Even if we ignore the Gate of Babylon, his armor can take several dozen blows from Saber (who has Strength B and Mana Burst) and Ea doesn´t take that long to charge, as we saw. It took him about 8 seconds to charge it to a level where he could destroy a city-sized Reality Marble once he stopped talking about how Iskander would lose.

*** Apart that Herakles, if summoned as anything but Berserker, would have a fair chance of winning (he'd have the brain to make the most use of his skills, speed and weapons to arrive in meelee range, where Gil would be paste), this plan relies on Gilgamesh ''not seeing it coming'', and the arrows keeping him too busy defending to actually grab Ea.

[[WMG: Rider massacred the Assassins due them breaking SacredHospitality]]
The Assassins attacked a meeting at which they had just been invited, and Rider went for massive overkill (I mean, [[NoKillLikeOverkill sicking an entire]] BadassArmy on them when even Gilgamesh was looking pissed and willing to do the deed?). I can't think another reason for him to sick his army on them...

I expect Kiritsugu to laugh histerically in the Throne of Heroes due the sheer {{Irony}}...

* The guy came from the pre-Diluvian history, so he spoke the Unified Language... And this, in Nasuverse terms, means that if he gives an order in his native tongue ''any human who doesn't speak Unified Language will have to obey him''. Given that only ''one'' modern human speak Unified Language and neither him nor a sufficiently old or knowleadgeable Servant took part in the Grail War, he automatically had complete control over ''all his enemies, allies and even his Master and the Moderator''. Kinda hard topping that...

** Not an impossibility, considering Hrunting in FateHollowAtaraxia is atleast partially sentient.

And to make this a [[FateStayNight Fate/stay night]] [=WMG=] as well, this would cast Emiya Shirou as the MessianicArchetype. Of humble beginnings, both human and not quite human thanks to his 'empty' soul, and with a foil in Kirei, Shirou's determination to sacrifice himself for others ultimately proves to be Kirei's undoing.

** Not according to what we know of the Throne, which considers the Servants to be copies of the original Heroic Spirits; the Servant-versions are illusions, phantasms, echos of dead Heroic Spirits, and the only thing that matters to the Throne is what those Heroes did while they were alive. Anything the copies do while temporarily back in the material world doesn't matter, because they have no ties to the original Heroic Spirit beyond being their copies, and the Throne doesn't consider their actions or personal growth "real" because their original Heroic Spirit is still dead/saved/preserved in the Throne.

[[WMG: Ea ist at least partially sentient]]

** Crassus would make an even better anti-Alexander Servant: early in his military career he ''was'' charismatic enough to get his own army with himself, and given he was the linchpin of the First Triumvirate killing him has the chance of summoning PompeyTheGreat and/or Caesar with their legions to finish the now weakened enemy.

*** There's definitely no reason one ''couldn't'' believe it was Waver, and this ''is'' WildMassGuessing: Combine it with NoSuchThingAsNotability and MST3KMantra and you're good. But in the sense of "Alexander less 'screwed the rules' and more 'put up a really good fight while supported by all three Command Seals,'" there's a distinct divide between what we're given in the actual series vs. what would allow such a theory to be true. Again, that's absolutely no reason ''not'' to believe it; there's just evidence to say that yes, it ''would'' be really weird, [=Broskander=] or not.

[[WMG: The massive fire was not the result of Kirei's wish, but of a Counter Guardian ''stopping it'']]

* If Kiritsugu's wish is examined, ending all human suffering could only be achieved by A. Making sure there are no humans ''to'' suffer, as the Grail demonstrated, or B. Altering the very essence of a 'human,' as human desire causes human suffering, which would effectively eradicate the human race. Wiping out the human race, or so radically altering them that they'd no longer be human? Sounds like the kind of thing that a CG would be tasked with preventing.

* If Kiritsugu's wish is examined, ending all human suffering could only be achieved by A. Making sure there are no humans ''to'' suffer, as the Grail demonstrated, or B. Altering the very essence of a 'human,' as human desire causes human suffering, which would effectively eradicate the human race. Since there'd still be suffering in the form of age, disease, natural disasters, etc, it would also likely entail radically altering the world itself, presumably something that Gaia would object to. Wiping out the human race, or so radically altering them that they'd no longer be human, and maybe even reshaping Earth itself? Sounds like the kind of thing that a CG would be tasked with preventing.