History WMG / EverybodyLovesRaymond

** While an easy WMG, going deeper suggests this seems unlikely when numerous flashbacks show that, Marie's assertions aside, they are still completely different couples. Frank and Marie had a shotgun wedding and Ray and Debra got together because they wanted to, and other episodes show that when confronted by Frank and Marie's problems, Debra and Ray usually make the effort to try to pull back from the brink. That being side, it is entirely conceivable they could evolve into more exaggerated archetypes of themselves with age, but they would never be the same couple as Frank and Marie given the time period and circumstances surrounding the coupling. All that would really change is the snipes.

** This seems unlikely when numerous flashbacks show that, Marie's assertions aside, they are still completely different couples. Frank and Marie had a shotgun wedding and Ray and Debra got together because they wanted to, and other episodes show that when confronted by Frank and Marie's problems, Debra and Ray usually make the effort to try to pull back from the brink. That being side, it is entirely conceivable they could evolve into more exaggerated archetypes of themselves with age, but they would never be the same couple as Frank and Marie given the time period and circumstances surrounding the coupling. All that would really change is the snipes.

It is well documented that the show was supposed to end after eight seasons, and the episode seemed to wrap the series up by making everybody happy...Marie and Frank have their dream condo, Ray and Debra finally get peace in their home, and Robert and Amy finally get a house of their own. When they decided to do a ninth season, they reformatted the storyline into a two-part episode with Marie and Frank moving back into the house with Robert and Amy. It is also possible that they intended to end the series with both episodes, subverting the HappyEnding and closing the series on a StatusQuoIsGod note.

It is well documented that the show was supposed to end after eight seasons, and the episode seemed to wrap the series up by making everybody happy...Marie and Frank have their dream condo, Ray and Debra finally get peace in their home, and Robert and Amy finally get a house of their own. When they decided to do a ninth season, they reformatted the storyline into a two-part episode with Marie and Frank moving back into the house with Robert and Amy. It is also possible that they intended to end the series with both episodes, subverting the HappyEnding and ending the series on a StatusQuoIsGod note.

It's often said that Peter was a {{Retcon}} of Russell, after the creators didn't feel comfortable using Paul Reubens again after his legal troubles. Nonsense! Peter is merely Amy's second brother. Oddly enough, both Russell and Peter own comic book stores. But they have to be different people, because think about it: Russell's comic book store is in Hoboken, New Jersey, while Peter's is (presumably) in Pennsylvania, since he still lives with his parents. So why was Russell never mentioned after his appearance in the "Hackidu" episode? Numerous possibilities: One, Russell passed away sometime after "Hackidu". Two, Russell was disowned by his parents so he wasn't welcome at home (and this includes Amy's wedding). Three, Russell got a job overseas and couldn't return home very easily. Four, [[WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd it's just a TV show so who gives a shit.]]

* In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, Beelzebub
* In an earlier episode Robert dresses as Santa, and Ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle Robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, I've only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
* the episode Raybert was at first glance to be Robert stealing Raymond's life story to pick up women but it was actually Robert and Raymond swapping forms so Raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and Robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to Debra in the process fixing Raymond's marriage for him.
it seems to be a male Barone trait which is why we never have evidence of Marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
* debar is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it as the Barones now have her scent
* Raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
* Jeffrey takes after frank and Raymond much more whereas Michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, causing him to have problems in school as well
* Robert was always the black-sheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as Raymond did; Raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so Robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it comes in handy as hes a cop
* they watch sports often as they wish to analyze the structure of the players in order to accurately shift into their form
* franks father beat him because he took in the natural shifter form, a reptilian humanoid. he felt human-shifter hybrids were inferior and wished to beat the human out of his boy and although frank clearly felt the same prejudice the human love of his sons overcame his animalistic shifter ideals
* Marie is obsessed with Robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and Debra always butt heads; Debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and Michael and Jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to Amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and Robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
* And when Robert believes he might be gay Marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.

* In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, beezlebub
* In an earlier episode robert dresses as santa ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, ive only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
* the episode raybert was at first glance to be robert stealing raymonds life story to pick up women but it was actually robert and raymond swapping forms so raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to debra in the process fixing raymonds marriage for him.
it seems to be a male barone trait which is why we never have evidence of marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
* debra is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it as the barones now have her scent
* raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
* jeffrey takes after frank and raymond much more whereas michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, casuing him to have problems in school as well
* robert was always the blacksheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as raymond did; raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it comes in handy as hes a cop

* marie is obsessed with robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and debra always butt heads; debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and michael and jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
* and when robert believes he might be gay marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.

** Although in a crossover episode with ''KingofQueens'' (''Rayging Bulls''), Ray is depicted as somebody who has no objection to going out clubbing with Doug Heffernan while their respective wives are both out of town; the fact they are seen trying to pick up girls to prove they've still got it appears to be a bit out of character for Ray. If Ray has, in fact, been tempted to stray in the past this would explain his conduct better!

** The show did this from the beggining with Marie, who would always win even when it was obvious to everyone sometimes including herself that she was wrong, they eventually gave the same treatment to Debra and at times even Amy.

[[WMG: EverybodyLovesRaymond and TheKingOfQueens occur in the same universe.]]

** In TheKingOfQueens, we have an episode where Ray comes over to Doug and Carrie's house to hang out for the weekend, and another episode where nearly the entire main cast (Ray, Deborah, Frank, Marie) of EverybodyLovesRaymond appears in character.
** In EverybodyLovesRaymond, Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.

* and when robert believes he might be gay marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.

** Kevin James, though, appeared most often in early episodes of ELR as Ray's friend Kevin - at least four times. He was evidently RetConned to explain their first meeting in the driving test centre doing the written test for the driving licence. (His early appearances as Kevin being long before the conception of KOQ?)

By a man. Because of that,s he subconsiously took her rage out on Ray, because he is the closest man in her life, much like the man who abused her was.

** In EverybodyLovesRaymond, Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.

** In TheKingOfQueens, we have an episode where Ray comes over to Doug and Carrie's house to hang out for the weekend, and another episode where nearly the entire main cast (Ray, Deborah, Frank, Marie) of EverybodyLovesRaymond appears

** Studio audience reactions for sitcoms aren't a spontaneous thing. Audiences are basically required to laugh (loudly) at most anything, over multiple takes. This is not a good indicator that the audience "didn't get the joke".

** The show did this from the beggining with Marie, who would always win even when it was obvious to everyone sometimes including herself that she was wrong, they eventually gave the same treatment to Debra and at times even Amy.

** Given that Ray Romano was the driving creative force behind the show and is by no means an idiot this may very well be true. The fans treatment of the Ray/Debra relationship (as well as Peter Boyle's health) however may be one of the reasons he decided not to continue the show despite the fact that it was still very successful. Nobody got the joke anymore.

The fact that the main character is so downbeaten compared to a wife who is obviously in the wrong a lot of the time, but is still treated right, it's entirely possible that we're actually ''meant'' to root for Ray and realize that Debra is being extremely unreasonable. The problem? A lot of women in the audience cheered whenever Debra did anything, and sort of ruined the gag.

They got together during one of the last few episodes of the show, so presumably they were still together when the show ended. Plus [[spoiler: Peter]] clearly mentioned during the episode that he certainly ''wants'' to get married at some point. And [[spoiler: Peggy]] was clearly enamored of his personality. So presumably they will get married at some point in the future, which means that [[spoiler: Peggy]] and her daughter Molly, Ally's best friend, will officially be part of the family.