History WMG / Disgaea5AllianceOfVengeance

*** Actually, it would probably be after the fourth game since everyone in the Hades Party knows Artina. As for why Flonne isn't in her Archangel outfit, Lamington might've given her a vacation so she could celebrate Laharl's birthday so she reverted to her Fallen Angel form. And upon learning that Killia attended Laharl's birthday, Lamington might've allowed Flonne a longer leave so she could get to know his friend.

* [[spoiler:It's possible, but given her [[BlueAndOrangeMorality very peculiar sense of morals]] it seems unlike. For one, she hasn't taken the first and most basic step to atoning for her misdeeds: ''apologizing to Usalia.'']]

%% Please don't cite fan wikis when marking an WMG as confirmed or jossed. If it's not stated in-game, in official promotional materials, or in trusted publications, it shouldn't be used as a source.

** Given what the Disgaea wikia says about the game, possibly confirmed.

* From what the wikia says, confirmed.
** I wouldn't completely trust the wikia. The wikia is basing its claim on the "Historians said..." line, which was more or less uttered constantly at the end of every ''Disgaea 4'' episode, which really had no bearing on the plot. While there's certainly a lot of evidence that Christo [[spoiler:and Lamington]] are the same person, there is no heavily overt proof of it (For example, Mid-Boss echoing Krichevskoy's words while standing next to Laharl's Mom in the first game as proof of him being Krichevskoy) or WordOfGod yet to fully substantiate ''Disgaea 5'' as a prequel, so I'd take the claim with a grain of salt. Remember that the wikia is not always 100% correct.

* Based on what the wikia says, jossed.

[[WMG: Disgaea 5 [[spoiler: is a prequel]]]]

** [[spoiler: Corollary to this theory is that the DLC episodes are supposed to take place during a TimeSkip after the end of the game. After all, Killia is the only character from the main cast who actively takes part in the DLC episodes; perhaps he'd made a lot of friends between the fall of Void Dark and the reunion of the Rebel Army.]]

** I wouldn't completely trust the wikia. The wikia is basing it's claim on the "Historians said..." line, which was more or less uttered constantly at the end of every ''Disgaea 4'' episode, which really had no bearing on the plot. While there's certainly a lot of evidence that Christo [[spoiler:and Lamington]] are the same person, there is no heavily overt proof of it (For example, Mid Boss echoing Krichevskoy's words while standing next to Laharl's Mom in the first game as proof of him being Krichevskoy) or WordOfGod yet to fully substantiate Disgaea 5 as a prequel so I'd take the claim with a grain of salt. Remember that the wikia is not always 100% correct.

* [[spoiler:My theory is that Lamington recognized Christo's tactical abilities, but was concerned that he'd end up a zealot just like Vulcainus. Thus, Lamington started the rumor of Christo being a spy for Void Dark and allowed it to spread, knowing that Christo (arrogant as he was) would never trust Celestia's Department of Internal Investigations to vindicate him, and would thus insist on trying to take out Void Dark himself. Lamington also knew that Christo would eventually try to enlist the aid of demons in order to do so (since he'd never be able to beat Void Dark by himself) and would end up meeting honorable [[NobleDemon Noble Demons]], since all of the cowardly, backstabing demons either signed up with Void Dark already or are trying to hide from him. Thus, Christo would realize that not all demons are evil, and gain a few levels of humility in the process. Chisto will show up again Disgaea 6, filling the role of BigGood during the "Incident that Shook the Three Worlds".]]
* [[spoiler: Also, Christo's superior was in on the whole thing. [[ObfuscatingStupidity He was only acting stupid to reinforce the idea that Christo couldn't rely on Celestia for help]], and his claims about the plan to launch Armageddon was a SecretTestOfCharacter. And he may or may not have been Mid-Boss.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler: True Zenon was the previous Overlord of Cryo Blood]]]]
* [[spoiler: In chapter 7, it is revealed that Killia was actually the overlord of a netherworld called Cryo Blood. He described it as a savage land where demon constantly betrayed and killed one another. A place where one could only trust oneself. Sounds like the perfect place for True Zenon, a demon who was constantly surrounded by bloodshed, to hail from. This theory is helped by the many similarities shared True Zenon and Overlord Killidia: both happened to be [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyed]] [[BlackEyesOfCrazy black scleraed]] [[AxCrazy psychotic]], [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal]] [[AnIcePerson ice wielders]]. If Killia had stayed an IneffectualLoner, he would have probably became the same kind of [[EldritchAbomination monster]] as she had been.]]
** [[spoiler: This is also supported by the fact that Rozalin's Overload (as a DLC character) temporarily turns her back into Overlord Zenon, just like how Killia's Overload turns him back into Tyrant Killidia.]]
** One potential flaw exists, the games possible placement in the time line. However, the theory could be amended to [[spoiler: Zenon became an overlord of Cryo Blood AFTER Killia]].

* [[spoiler: The first stage of the postgame reveals the existence of a netherworld full of Asagi clones, all of whom were arguing over who the real Asagi was, but then the real Asagi shows up to help finish off one of the fakes. Unlike all of the other times Asagi appeared, this Asagi is cool, collected, and not obsessed over fame and glory. Assuming that this is the real Asagi, it's possible that the other Asagi's we've seen in other games were her clones, especially since some of Asagis appear to have undergone CloneDegeneration (such as the SD Asagi in Disgaea 4, or the chibi-Asagi in Disgaea 2 who used sprites from VideoGame/MakaiKingdom).]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Majorita could possibly be truly trying to reform.]]]]
* [[spoiler: Though Majorita is bound to Usalia under the threat of death from her own spell by the post game, she seems to be trying to go out of her way to make Usalia happy despite knowing how much Usalia hates her. Considering the fact that she put her own life on the line fighting the demon possessed by Void Dark's evil heart, her battle quotes saying how she does everything for Usalia, her team attack where she actually protects her despite getting hurt herself, and the fact that Usalia spared her life during their confrontation against Void where she told her to live and make up for what she had done, it's possible that Usalia had a huge effect on Majorita in terms of change. She even states that she would come to her aid in a second if Usalia ever needed her, so it's possible that Majorita found someone else to turn to in Usalia after being betrayed and killed by Void Dark, despite her insistence that she didn't want to act friendly at the start. Not to mention that she seemed hopeful after Usalia said that she hadn't accepted her "yet" after the fight with malice possessed demon, claiming hope for the future. Considering how the ending states that Usalia turned Toto Bunny into a paradise similar to the Utopia Majorita was fighting for under Void Dark's name, it could be argued that the person to make that dream a reality could have been Usalia to Majorita all along, hence why she wants to help her so much and try to make up with her.]]
* [[spoiler: Even her own k.o. quote upon joining the team is stating that she is just doing what she is to make Usalia happy.]]

* Note the commonality involving the use of malice. This assumes the prequel theory is correct. This gives [[spoiler: Lamington]] a motive for getting involved with the 4th game.

[[WMG: Mr. Champloo from Disgaea 3 is a student of Zeroken/Killa]]
* As with many of the theories above, this one assumes Disgaea 5 is a prequel. At the end of the game, Zeroken starts his own dojo to spread the Ultimate Demon Technique, which emphasizes strength of heart and being a decent person compared to most demons, in addition to being a powerful form of martial arts. Zeroken also asks Killia to occasionally serve as a guest teacher, and Killia is a SupremeChef who believes in consuming sumptuous meals before a fight to fuel his abilities (and to suppress his SuperpoweredEvilSide, but he keeps up the habit afterward). It makes sense that Champloo was once a student of this dojo, and received lessons from both Zeroken and Killia, explaining why he is a top notch martial artist, a big-hearted nice guy, and obsessed with the power of cooking.
* The epilogue also states that the Ultimate Demon technique became the basis for many other NEW styles as well as Zeroken continued to pass it on. Perhaps Mr. Champloo's Fire Chaos Style had the Ultimate Demon Technique serve as it's base?

* Like many theories above, this one assumes Disgaea 5 is a prequel. The posted age of Christo is about 2100, which would place the game about 7500 years before the 1st one. Therefore, for the Plenair of the previous games to still look a woman in her late teens or early twenties even for the typical 100 chronological years = 1 biological year ratio, it becomes nessecary for more than one Plenair to exist. Since this game's Plenair's last name is Alloprima just like the one from previous games, it was the eventual husband who changed their last name. Also of note: this game's Plenair is significantly more vocal than previous incarnations.

Granted, it requires everyone to forget that you can recruit everyone during the main game and that Killia did not age in the 5000+ or so years after ''Disgaea 5'' (Based on Christo and Lamington's ages), but otherwise, it makes some sense. The Pocket Netherworld is seemingly empty with the exception of the Prinnies and at no point does any of the other Rebel Army members make an appearance. Why? Because they're tending to their respective Netherworlds (Dojo and Celestia in Zeroken and Christo's case) and don't have the time anymore to visit anymore. As for why Killia is wandering again, perhaps he's actually doing errands for Lieze that required long treks across the universe. After all, he has to get those exotic ingredients for their cooking from some place.
** This is actually quite plausible. MakaiKingdom via Zetta implies Overlords are basically immortal. To further support this theory, gameplay wise is just simple RuleOfFun to let doods play with their bew toys. In fact, one could place DLC for the most part at "one year after the 3rd game" and it would work.