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* This actually would explain a lot, especially all the crazy inner workings of the place, the types of candies with BeyondTheImpossible effects (there are fairly common charms that could be placed on them and they bear some resemblence to Fred and George's products at least in style), and why there is a huge mystery surrounding the factory (Magical secrecy rules, temporarily lifted in this one case). [[AWizardDidIt A Wizard really did it]].
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* This actually would explain a lot, especially all the crazy inner workings of the place, the types of candies with BeyondTheImpossible effects (there are fairly common charms that could be placed on them and they bear some resemblence to Fred and George's products at least in style), and why there is a huge mystery surrounding the factory (Magical secrecy rules, temporarily lifted in this one case). [[AWizardDidIt A Wizard really did it]].
it]]. Bonus points for it being set in Britain as well.
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* This actually would explain a lot, especially why the factory has been such a big mystery (Magical secrecy rules, temporarily lifted in this one case) and the way it works doesn't make any sense. [[AWizardDidIt A Wizard really did it]].
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* This actually would explain a lot, especially all the crazy inner workings of the place, the types of candies with BeyondTheImpossible effects (there are fairly common charms that could be placed on them and they bear some resemblence to Fred and George's products at least in style), and why there is a huge mystery surrounding the factory has been such a big mystery (Magical secrecy rules, temporarily lifted in this one case) and the way it works doesn't make any sense.case). [[AWizardDidIt A Wizard really did it]].
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* This actually would explain a lot, especially why the factory has been such a big mystery (Magical secrecy rules, temporarily lifted in this one case) and the way it works doesn't make any sense. [[AWizardDidIt A Wizard really did it]].
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[[WMG: Grandma Georgina is [[ObfuscatingStupidity acting like]] [[CloudCuckoolander her mind is out there]] but is in fact very bright.]]
This holds for both film versions.
There were a few points near the beginning of the TimBurton film where [[Tropers/SashiInnichiro This Troper]] thought that Georgina knew exactly what everyone was talking about. She just acted like she didn't to mask her true intelligence.
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[[WMG: Grandma Georgina is [[ObfuscatingStupidity acting like]] [[CloudCuckoolander her mind is out there]] but is in fact very bright.]]
There were a few points near the beginning where [[SashiInnichiro This Troper]] thought that Georgina knew exactly what everyone was talking about, she just acted like she didn't to mask her true intelligence.
* Actually, the same goes for the 1971 movie as well.
There were a few points near the beginning where [[SashiInnichiro This Troper]] thought that Georgina knew exactly what everyone was talking about, she just acted like she didn't to mask her true intelligence.
* Actually, the same goes for the 1971 movie as well.
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There were a few points near the beginning where [[SashiInnichiro This Troper]] thought that Georgina knew exactly what everyone was talking about, she just acted like she didn't to mask her true intelligence.
* Actually, the same goes for the 1971 movie as well.
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*** Therefore, he wins.
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Getting your saliva everywhere is a nasty habit, but Wonka considers picking one's nose (probably) to be a worse one. Ergo, the snozzberries are [[CompletelyMissingThePoint his idea of]] a nicotine patch for nosepickers.
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Getting your saliva everywhere is a nasty habit, but Wonka considers picking one's nose (probably) to be a worse one. Ergo, the snozzberries on the wallpaper are [[CompletelyMissingThePoint his idea of]] a nicotine patch for nosepickers.
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[[WMG: "Snozzberries" are [[NoseNuggets Schnozz Berries]].]]
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[[WMG: "Snozzberries" are [[NoseNuggets Schnozz S(ch)nozz Berries]].]]
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[[WMG: "Snozzberries" are [[NoseNuggets Schnozz Berries]].]]
Getting your saliva everywhere is a nasty habit, but Wonka considers picking one's nose (probably) to be a worse one. Ergo, the snozzberries are [[CompletelyMissingThePoint his idea of]] a nicotine patch for nosepickers.
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"Up the airy mountain, down the rushy glen, we daren't go a-hunting, for fear of little men. You see, nobody ever goes in... and nobody ever comes out."
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** It could be that the original Slugworth got bought out from his own company. It wasn't without precedent, even in 1971.
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* It follows that either they had songs prepared for several other rooms in the factory, or Wonka arranged the specific tour route beforehand and let the Oompa Loompas know far enough in advance to prepare the songs.
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** If it's forced upon somebody then it's not a sin. Charlie is just being sensible.
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** Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Knid! Oompaloompaland might be near Vietnam. It would help explain why there were so many casualties in that war...
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** Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Vermicious Knid! Oompaloompaland Loompaland might be near Vietnam. It would help explain why there were so many casualties in that war...
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* In the book, Charlie stayed in place and didn't play in order to conserve what little food energy he got for growing and not starving. Environmentally enforced Sloth, anyone?
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[[WMG: The Oompa-Loompas are communists.]]
"If you're not greedy, you will go far"?
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* In the stage musical version, Wonka actually admits to this.
** In this version, Charlie's temptation is apparently the Fizzy Lifting Drinks, as Everlasting Gobstoppers are only mentioned in passing. He and Grandpa Joe taste them in a scene similar to the 1971 movie, and Wonka praises them both for apologizing and being smart enough not to get caught in the first place.
** In this version, Charlie's temptation is apparently the Fizzy Lifting Drinks, as Everlasting Gobstoppers are only mentioned in passing. He and Grandpa Joe taste them in a scene similar to the 1971 movie, and Wonka praises them both for apologizing and being smart enough not to get caught in the first place.
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** Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Knid! I could see Oompaloompaland being near Vietnam.
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Vietnam. It would help explain why there were so many casualties in that war...
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Wonka specifically targeted the children who were to get tickets. How else could the fake-Slugworth get to them so quickly? He had to already know who would get them. For whatever reason, Wonka thought they might make good candidates for being his "heirs"; but he wanted to be sure, and so he invented a contest to get them to come to the factory where he could observe them. However, he rigged it so that only the children he wanted to get tickets would receive them. The contest story was just a way to cover up his targeting and to make sure that they would come. Note that at the end, Wonka says he "knew" Charlie would win, but he had to test him to be sure.
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Wonka specifically targeted the children who were to get tickets. How else could the fake-Slugworth get to them so quickly? quickly?
He had to already know who would get them. For whatever reason, Wonka thought they might make good candidates for being his "heirs"; but he wanted to be sure, and so he invented a contest to get them to come to the factory where he could observe them.However, he He rigged it so that only the children he wanted to get tickets would receive them. The contest story was just a way to cover up his targeting and to make sure that they would come. come.
Notethat that, at the end, Wonka says he "knew" Charlie would win, but he had to test him to be sure.
He had to already know who would get them. For whatever reason, Wonka thought they might make good candidates for being his "heirs"; but he wanted to be sure, and so he invented a contest to get them to come to the factory where he could observe them.
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* You still have to know which boxes they are. And you would have to hope that no one ''else'' will game the system -- though you have to do that anyway. In this film, there was one grown-up scientist/reporter who tried to game the system with a supercomputer, but was balked because that computer didn't understand what one would do with a lifetime supply of chocolate. Computers were more ethical in the 1970s...
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** Or POW, assumed dead. Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Knid! I could see Oompaloompaland being near Vietnam.
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** Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Knid! I could see Oompaloompaland being near Vietnam.
** Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Knid! I could see Oompaloompaland being near Vietnam.
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** Or POW, assumed dead. Maybe he was eaten by a Vermishus Knid! I could see Oompaloompaland being near Vietnam.
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[[WMG: The fizzy lifting drinks room is underneath the W-O-N-K-A smokestack.]]
That room is WAY tall, Charlie and Grandpa Joe are going up the inside of the smokestack.
That room is WAY tall, Charlie and Grandpa Joe are going up the inside of the smokestack.
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They only planned the songs for what types of rooms they were in, not for the specific rooms, thats why it doesn't match up all the time. The song to Augustus was a song for a glutton, at a place the Oompa-Loompa's knew someone would be greedy enough to try to take the chocolate from the rive and what would happen if they fall in, the song to Violet wasn't about competition but about chewing gum, which was all the Oompa-Loompa's probably would know about someone who greedily takes the gum, the song to Veruca was more about garbage (which the Oompa-Loompa's would presumably know that someone who tries to take a Squirrel would be considered bad and thrown down into the garbage chute) and less about being a spoiled brat, and you only got more of the spoiler brat parts towards the end, presumably after the Oompa-Loompa's had time to improvise it, and finally, Mike's song is mostly about television and not his character flaw, because the Oompa-Loompa's could only make assumptions that someone tempted by the room likes television.
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They only planned the songs for what types of rooms they were in, would tempt the children, not for what flaws the specific rooms, children happened to have, thats why it doesn't match up all the time. The song to Augustus was a song for a glutton, at a place the Oompa-Loompa's knew someone would be greedy enough to try to take the chocolate from the rive and what would happen if they fall in, the song to Violet wasn't about competition but about chewing gum, which was all the Oompa-Loompa's probably would know about someone who greedily takes the gum, the song to Veruca was more about garbage (which the Oompa-Loompa's would presumably know that someone who tries to take a Squirrel would be considered bad and thrown down into the garbage chute) and less about being a spoiled brat, and you only got more of the spoiler brat parts towards the end, presumably after the Oompa-Loompa's had time to improvise it, and finally, Mike's song is mostly about television and not his character flaw, because the Oompa-Loompa's could only make assumptions that someone tempted by the room likes television.
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They only planned the songs for what types of rooms they were in, not for the specific rooms, thats why it doesn't match up all the time. The song to Augustus was a song for a glutton, at a place the Oompa-Loompa's knew someone would be greedy enough to try to take the chocolate from the rive and what would happen if they fall in, the song to Violet wasn't about competition but about chewing gum, which was all the Oompa-Loompa's probably would know about someone who greedily takes the gum, the song to Veruca was more about garbage (which the Oompa-Loompa's would presumably know that someone who tries to take a Squirrel would be considered bad and thrown down into the garbage chute) and less about being a spoiled brat, and you only got more of the spoiler brat parts towards the end, presumably after the Oompa-Loompa's had time to improvise it, and finally, Mike's song is mostly about television and not his character flaw, because the Oompa-Loompa's could only make assumptions that someone tempted by the room likes television.
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Charlie: The Red Ranger. Charlie was supposed to be granted flight by the Fizzy Lifting Drinks, but the other potential Rangers accidents derail the tour and he never gets to that room. However, there is hope with Charlie not getting incapacitated and Violet's attitude.
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Charlie: The Red Ranger. Charlie was supposed to be granted flight by the Fizzy Lifting Drinks, but the other potential Rangers accidents derail the tour and he never gets to that room. room.
However, there is hope with Charlie not getting incapacitated and Violet's attitude.
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* In a vein, we could also say he could be Xenophillius Lovegood. Then You-Know-Who came, and destroyed his Wonka factory.
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This might go some way toward explaining Britian's apparent world power status InUniverse. With all the stuff he makes in the books (including space capable lifts), the odd licorice-powered laser and hard boiled warship might just be on the agenda, too...
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** Although if he'd left with it and never given it to Mr. Wilkinson he might still have won.
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** This theory is strongly implied in the Burton-Depp film.
[[WMG: If a third movie is made, the actor playing Wonka will later play The Mad Hatter in a film adaptation of ''AliceInWonderland'']]
[[WMG: If a third movie is made, the actor playing Wonka will later play The Mad Hatter in a film adaptation of ''AliceInWonderland'']]
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** And it was Grandpa Joe, not Charlie, who suggested stealing Fizzy Lifting Drinks.
** Alternatively, Burton's he's a massive PapaWolf. If we believe the above theory that the Depp film is a 'sequel' to Wilder version, then Grandpa Joe is one of the few people who believed the tales of the previous naughty children who complained aboout their massive injuries. He knows that Charlie could become a victim of Wonka's twisted plan and manages to regain his mobility in order to let Charlie experience his dream, and make sure he's protected.
** Alternatively, Burton's he's a massive PapaWolf. If we believe the above theory that the Depp film is a 'sequel' to Wilder version, then Grandpa Joe is one of the few people who believed the tales of the previous naughty children who complained aboout their massive injuries. He knows that Charlie could become a victim of Wonka's twisted plan and manages to regain his mobility in order to let Charlie experience his dream, and make sure he's protected.
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** Alternatively, Burton's he's a massive PapaWolf. If we believe the above theory that the Depp film is a 'sequel' to Wilder version, then Grandpa Joe is one of the few people who believed the tales of the previous naughty children who complained aboout their massive injuries. He knows that Charlie could become a victim of Wonka's twisted plan and manages to regain his mobility in order to let Charlie experience his dream, and make sure he's protected.
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If we believe the theory that the Depp film is a 'sequel' to the Wilder version, then Grandpa Joe is one of the few people who believes the tales of the previous naughty children. He might even ''know.''
He knows that Charlie could become a victim of Wonka's twisted plan. He manages to regain his mobility so that Charlie can experience his dream but still be protected.
If we believe the theory that the Depp film is a 'sequel' to the Wilder version, then Grandpa Joe is one of the few people who believes the tales of the previous naughty children. He might even ''know.''
He knows that Charlie could become a victim of Wonka's twisted plan. He manages to regain his mobility so that Charlie can experience his dream but still be protected.
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[[WMG: Wonka is, or thinks he's [[MightyMorphin'PowerRangers Zordon.]].]]
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[[WMG: Wonka is, or thinks he's [[MightyMorphin'PowerRangers Zordon.]].]]
He believes that he is, or actually is Zordon revived by some force. However, since he made some poor choices back in his era, he's approaching things differently. He has none of Zordon's magic items, but knows how to make some crazy ass candy, so he decides to create his Rangers a different way. For example, the Factory is the new Command Centre, with the business giving him a way to set things up. He's having trouble building the Zords so he's instead trying to create alternative means for the Rangers to combat giant monsters, such as the Shrink Ray. The Oompa-Loompa's are actually a massive group of Alpha's ranging from 7 to over a hundred, each with a faulty version of Alpha's friendly personality, resulting in the musical numbers. The kids are obviously intended to be his Rangers, and he's trying out giving them new abilities. His fondness for his Rangers makes his anger at their disobedience into what appears to be Wonka's submissive attitude to the children's fates. He just keeps thinking they're going to do the right thing. Then they don't.
Veruca: Wonka tries to give his new Pink Ranger control over animals, starting with Squirrels, but she's too impulsive and ends up with his failed Repellent Pheramone experiment.
Augustus: The Yellow Ranger (because even though he wears Red, he isn't really leader material) is given shapeshifting abilities after being turned to chocolate. Or at least becomes covered in it, which impedes the progress somewhat.
Mike: The Black Ranger was going to get size changing powers after helping Wonka reverse the Shrink Ray, after which he'd help work on the Zords.
Violet: The gum was a failed attempt to make a giant Ranger, but it worked excellently in giving his new Blue Ranger super human reflexes. Her chipper attitude once she's drained suggests that if approached again, she may accept the role of Ranger.
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He believes that he is, or actually is Zordon revived by some force. However, since he made some poor choices back in his era, he's approaching things differently. He has none of Zordon's magic items, but knows how to make some crazy ass candy, so he decides to create his Rangers a different way. For example, the Factory is the new Command Centre, with the business giving him a way to set things up. He's having trouble building the Zords so he's instead trying to create alternative means for the Rangers to combat giant monsters, such as the Shrink Ray. The Oompa-Loompa's are actually a massive group of Alpha's ranging from 7 to over a hundred, each with a faulty version of Alpha's friendly personality, resulting in the musical numbers. The kids are obviously intended to be his Rangers, and he's trying out giving them new abilities. His fondness for his Rangers makes his anger at their disobedience into what appears to be Wonka's submissive attitude to the children's fates. He just keeps thinking they're going to do the right thing. Then they don't.
Veruca: Wonka tries to give his new Pink Ranger control over animals, starting with Squirrels, but she's too impulsive and ends up with his failed Repellent Pheramone experiment.
Augustus: The Yellow Ranger (because even though he wears Red, he isn't really leader material) is given shapeshifting abilities after being turned to chocolate. Or at least becomes covered in it, which impedes the progress somewhat.
Mike: The Black Ranger was going to get size changing powers after helping Wonka reverse the Shrink Ray, after which he'd help work on the Zords.
Violet: The gum was a failed attempt to make a giant Ranger, but it worked excellently in giving his new Blue Ranger super human reflexes. Her chipper attitude once she's drained suggests that if approached again, she may accept the role of Ranger.
Charlie: The Red Ranger. Charlie was supposed to be granted flight by the Fizzy Lifting Drinks, but the other potential Rangers accidents derail the tour and he never gets to that room. However, there is hope with Charlie not getting incapacitated and Violet's attitude.
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**Alternatively, Burton's he's a massive PapaWolf. If we believe the above theory that the Depp film is a 'sequel' to Wilder version, then Grandpa Joe is one of the few people who believed the tales of the previous naughty children who complained aboout their massive injuries. He knows that Charlie could become a victim of Wonka's twisted plan and manages to regain his mobility in order to let Charlie experience his dream, and make sure he's protected.
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[[WMG: The scary tunnel is a [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace hyperspace]] jump]]
* If the technology of TheHitchHikersGuideToTheGalaxy is to be believed, this theory can make perfect sense -
--> '''Slartibartfast''': Human, the room we are about to enter is technically not within our planet, it can only be reached by a vast tract of hyperspace. [[{{Understatement}} It may disturb you]].
--> '''Arthur Dent''': [[OhCrap Oh...]]
--> '''Slartibartfast''': It scares the willies out of me. [[BringMyBrownPants Hold tight...]]
* If the technology of TheHitchHikersGuideToTheGalaxy is to be believed, this theory can make perfect sense -
--> '''Slartibartfast''': Human, the room we are about to enter is technically not within our planet, it can only be reached by a vast tract of hyperspace. [[{{Understatement}} It may disturb you]].
--> '''Arthur Dent''': [[OhCrap Oh...]]
--> '''Slartibartfast''': It scares the willies out of me. [[BringMyBrownPants Hold tight...]]
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* Both have an inferior version of themselves in a TimBurton movie.
** Hey, now. [[YourMileageMayVary Inferior is such a strong word.]]
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** Hey, now. [[YourMileageMayVaryInferior Superior is such a strong word.]]
** Hey, now. [[YourMileageMayVary
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**Hey, now. [[YourMileageMayVary Inferior is such a strong word.]]
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