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[[WMG: ''WesternAnimation/SchoolhouseRock'' was still produced in this timeline, but "America Rock" was [[SchoolhouseRockParody replaced with "Confederacy Rock"]].]]

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However, the Confederates would likely be incredibly hostile to Carver for being a smart black man. Not only would they call him all kinds of names, [[StupidEvil but they would also go so far as to reject and outright ban his farming practices]] out of sheer racial hatred, the way that Nazi scientists rejected certain sciences for being "Jewish physics."

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However, the Confederates would likely be incredibly hostile to Carver for being a smart black man. Not only would they call him all kinds of names, [[StupidEvil but they would also go so far as to reject and outright ban his farming practices]] out of sheer racial hatred, the way that Nazi scientists rejected certain sciences for being "Jewish physics.""

[[WMG: ''WesternAnimation/SchoolhouseRock'' was still produced in this timeline, but "America Rock" was [[SchoolhouseRockParody replaced with "Confederacy Rock"]].]]
Now, the Confederacy clearly hates rock and roll, so the albums are probably called something else, but the basic idea of education through music would still exist. And once they got to teaching history and civics, they would obviously have to alter the catalogue greatly. "No More Kings" and "Fireworks" would instead be replaced with the heroic secessionists fighting against the tyrant Lincoln, and "The Shot Heard Round the World" would simply be about the Civil War instead of the Revolutionary War. "Sufferin' Till Suffrage" obviously wouldn't exist at all, and would likely instead be a song [[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad justifying the mistreatment of women and minorities]]. Since there is much less immigration into the country, "The Great American Melting Pot" would also need to be about a different topic. "Mother Necessity" would probably be changed a little, to eliminate all the inventors mentioned in the song who were immigrants, and "The Preamble", "I'm Just a Bill", and "Three-Ring Government" would be pretty close to how they are, since they are about the country's government instead of history, but would still need subtle changes because the Confederacy and the Union are not the same. That leaves "Elbow Room", which would be the only song on the album [[ValuesDissonance to be word-for-word identical in both timelines]].
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Worse yet: Should those men remarry than any children they have with their second, third, etc, spouses would ALSO be declared slaves, as said men are now 'tainted' for having previously had sex with Fauntroy women.
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Considering America remained a slave plantation society, it means that growing cotton, and other kinds of cash crops, remained the norm. Not just for economic reasons, but because labor-intensive cash crops would be the only way you can justify keeping people in bondage. [[note]]Cotton sharecropping, the labor system that replaced cotton farming, lasted in the South into the 1960s[[/note]].

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Considering America remained a slave plantation society, it means that growing cotton, and other kinds of cash crops, remained the norm. Not just for economic reasons, but because labor-intensive cash crops would be the only way you can justify keeping people in bondage. [[note]]Cotton sharecropping, the labor system that replaced cotton farming, slavery, lasted in the South into the 1960s[[/note]].
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Yeah, he was a nasty guy, but ending your own life because you've internalized your own family's racism [[AlasPoorVillain is a really nasty way to go]]. It speaks volumes about how horrible Confederate society is that simply having the "wrong" ancestry is enough to make you subhuman, regardless of your loyalty to the society or not.

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Yeah, he was a nasty guy, but ending your own life because you've internalized your own family's racism [[AlasPoorVillain is a really nasty way to go]]. It speaks volumes about how horrible Confederate society is that simply having the "wrong" ancestry is enough to make you subhuman, regardless of your loyalty to the society or not.not.


[[WMG: America's soil is horribly depleted because of all the cotton farming]]
Considering America remained a slave plantation society, it means that growing cotton, and other kinds of cash crops, remained the norm. Not just for economic reasons, but because labor-intensive cash crops would be the only way you can justify keeping people in bondage. [[note]]Cotton sharecropping, the labor system that replaced cotton farming, lasted in the South into the 1960s[[/note]].

Growing cash crop monocultures is a recipe for environmental degradation, and considering Confederate America's government is very plutocratic and authoritarian, it is unlikely a grassroots environmental movement has emerged.

There is also another variable: George Washington Carver. While Carver's main claim to fame was peanuts, he sought to promote them and other crops that would restore the Southern soil after decades of cotton farming. There are two possibilities as to his fate.

1. Carver remained a slave.

Carver was among the last people to have been born a slave. Since slavery was not only not abolished, but enforced on the rest of America, he likely remained in bondage for the rest of his life.

2. Carver escaped to Canada, and still became a scientist, but the Confederates rejected his ideas.

Moses Carver, George's white master, is a very complicated man. On the one hand, he was a slaver who owned George. On the other hand, he continued to remain loyal to the Union, and after the war, he raised George as his own son. So it is possible he could've fled to Canada and taken George with him.

Carver grows in Canada and becomes a scientist. Carver was one of the few black men to achieve nationwide fame in the pre-Civil Rights era, so it is possible he could've still become famous in Canada who would love to promote his agricultural methods.

However, the Confederates would likely be incredibly hostile to Carver for being a smart black man. Not only would they call him all kinds of names, [[StupidEvil but they would also go so far as to reject and outright ban his farming practices]] out of sheer racial hatred, the way that Nazi scientists rejected certain sciences for being "Jewish physics."

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The fact that John Ambrose Fauntroy had his political career destroyed over the accusation of black ancestry, and later killed himself horribly despite the test results getting "negative", implies one of several things:
1. Fauntroy does have a black ancestor, and the [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections system covered up his ancestry as a favor to a powerful family]].
2. Fauntroy didn't have a black ancestor, and his life was destroyed for no good reason.
3. Fauntroy didn't know he had a black ancestor, he discovered he did, and he's internalized his family's racism so much he feels he ''deserves'' to die. Yes, he is a racist asshole, but it is still a really horrible way to go.
Whatever the case may be, this system is so obviously incompetent and pseudo-scientific, many Confederates refuse to heed it anymore, and have revolted against the system.


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The fact that John Ambrose Fauntroy had his political career destroyed over the accusation of black ancestry, and later killed himself horribly despite the test results getting "negative", implies one of several things:
1. Fauntroy does have a black ancestor, and
that the [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections system covered up his ancestry as a favor to a powerful family]].
2. Fauntroy didn't have a black ancestor, and his life was destroyed for no good reason.
3. Fauntroy didn't know he had a black ancestor, he discovered he did, and he's internalized his family's racism so much he feels he ''deserves'' to die. Yes, he
is a racist asshole, but it is still a really horrible way to go.
incompetent, corrupt, or both. Whatever the case may be, this system is so obviously incompetent and pseudo-scientific, many Confederates refuse to heed it anymore, and have revolted against the system.

refused to declare their identity.

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Yeah, he was a nasty guy, but ending your own life because you've internalized your own family's racism [[AlasPoorVillain is a really nasty way to go]].

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Yeah, he was a nasty guy, but ending your own life because you've internalized your own family's racism [[AlasPoorVillain is a really nasty way to go]]. It speaks volumes about how horrible Confederate society is that simply having the "wrong" ancestry is enough to make you subhuman, regardless of your loyalty to the society or not.
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According to the timeline, by the mid-20th century, most whites were increasingly opposed to slavery. Aside from the moral costs, having to own a person carries with it several costs, like providing food, logging, and security to keep a person in. While in the old days, having a slave to care of your house might have been nice, labor-saving devices making household chores easier would make owning a person superfluous. Considering that the Confederates had to build a huge border wall along the Canadian border, this implies that a lot of whites had become abolitionists and willingly sent their slaves to freedom in Canada. Even though slavery is still prevalent, many white people still smuggle their own slaves to Canada, enough that the government has to check shipping crates to be sure.

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According to the timeline, by the mid-20th century, most whites were increasingly opposed to slavery. Aside from the moral costs, having to own a person carries with it several costs, like providing food, logging, and security to keep a person in. While in the old days, having a slave to care of your house might have been nice, labor-saving devices making household chores easier would make owning a person superfluous. Considering that the Confederates had to build a huge border wall along the Canadian border, this implies that a lot of whites had become abolitionists and willingly sent their slaves to freedom in Canada. Even though slavery is still prevalent, many white people still smuggle their own slaves to Canada, enough that the government has to check shipping crates to be sure.sure.

[[WMG: Fauntroy genuinely didn't know he had a black ancestor, [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation and his suicide was done out of despair and shame]] ]]
It is easy to see Fauntroy's behavior at the press conference as the typical denialist behavior of a corrupt politician. But what if he genuinely ''wasn't'' aware of his own black ancestry. Perhaps his suicide wasn't done because of the end of his political career or fear of being enslaved but ended his own life because he now believed himself to be an inferior being.

Yeah, he was a nasty guy, but ending your own life because you've internalized your own family's racism [[AlasPoorVillain is a really nasty way to go]].

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