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*** Oh yeah. That makes sense. And is Undertaker Break after he became a Goth?

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*** Oh Oh, yeah. That makes sense. And is Undertaker Break after he became a Goth?
Ooh! Ooh! I only just thopught of this! Does Philippe grow up to be Ciel?
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** Fangirls would like to think that he just fingered them. His scene with Beast is rather ambiguous, but it's pretty obvious that he at least had sex with the nun. Also, all over Kuro fandom, Sebastian ''always'' has sex fully clothed. I'm pretty sure that it's canon that he doesn't like being naked around humans, so there's that, too.
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** [[spoiler:Semi-confirmed as of chapter 57. She is apparently aware of her future husband's duty as the Queen's Watchdog, but how much else she knows has yet to be revealed.]]

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** Wait, didn't Grell appeared earlier than either of them? Besides that, yeah that makes so much sense.

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* Okay, come on. [[IKnewIt Did anyone actually believe that?]] He can freaking tank barrage of bullets, why would a simple stab to the back kill him?!
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***Oh yeah. That makes sense. And is Undertaker Break after he became a Goth?
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That or [[BatMan Catwoman].

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That or [[BatMan Catwoman].Catwoman]].
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[[WMG: Sebastian's true form is that of [[RockyHorrorPictureShow Dr. Frank-N-Furter]]]]
That or [[BatMan Catwoman].
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**** She's mostly thought of as a sue because everyone wants her to Die for their ship. If anything, Sebastian is probably closer to Mary Sue/Gary Stu.

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**** She's mostly thought of as a sue because everyone wants her to [[DieForOurShip Die for their ship.ship]]. If anything, Sebastian is probably closer to Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
** By the way, Lizzie's personality is the opposite of Ciel's (cheerful, definitely not vengeful...) [[spoiler:Would her soul taste good for a demon?]]
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**** She's mostly thought of as a sue because everyone wants her to Die for their ship. If anything, Sebastian is probably closer to Gary Stu.

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**** She's mostly thought of as a sue because everyone wants her to Die for their ship. If anything, Sebastian is probably closer to Gary Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
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**** She's mostly thought of as a sue because everyone wants her to Die for their ship. If anything, Sebastian is probably closer to Gary Stu.
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They look and act [[Expy very, very similar sometimes.]] If you disregard the whole yaoi thing. Considering that both series are penned by Yana Toboso...

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They look and act [[Expy very, very similar sometimes.]] sometimes. If you disregard the whole yaoi thing. Considering that both series are penned written by Yana Toboso...
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The way everyone [[spoiler:wants his soul and his feeling of relief in the last episode]] looks like WishFulfillment.

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The way everyone [[spoiler:wants his soul and his feeling of relief in the last episode]] looks like WishFulfillment.WishFulfillment.

[[WMG:[[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/glamorous_lip/c005/02.html Kazuki]] from Glamorous Lip is Ciel [[spoiler:as a demon in the 21st Century.]] ]]
They look and act [[Expy very, very similar sometimes.]] If you disregard the whole yaoi thing. Considering that both series are penned by Yana Toboso...
Maybe when Kou-chan [[spoiler:saved Kazuki]] that was [[spoiler:Ciel the demon]]'s way of making a contract.
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** Sister? You DO realize Lau Means [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean something else]], right?

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** Sister? You DO realize Lau Means [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean something else]], right?right?

[[WMG:In the anime, Fred Abberline [[spoiler:became an angel in the afterlife.]] ]]
[[spoiler:He wants to make the world a better place. Ciel called him a man in the light. Sebastian said he had special abilities and he was ''glaring at him'' while saying so. And in episode 20, he actually acts more [[HeroicSacrifice heroically]] than [[FallenAngel Ash/Angela]] ever did.]]

[[WMG:Ash and Angela were originally [[spoiler:two distinct beings.]] ]]
[[spoiler:One day they decided to fuse their two bodies into one and they enjoyed it so much that they did the same thing with other happy couples, like Vincent and Rachel or Victoria and Albert.]]

[[WMG:In season 1, Undertaker had been on [[spoiler:Angela's side all along.]] ]]
[[spoiler:In episode 17, he helps Ciel without asking for a laugh in return, as if someone had told him to bring Ciel and Sebastian to her. Next episode, he distracts Spears and Sebastian in the library, which allows Angela to escape. And the scars on his face look very much like the ones on Ciel's dead parents. Did she fuse him with a loved one?]]

[[WMG:The whole season 2 is [[spoiler:Ciel's DyingDream.]] ]]
The way everyone [[spoiler:wants his soul and his feeling of relief in the last episode]] looks like WishFulfillment.
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*** No no no, When Vincent gets his well-deserved death, he gets to become a reaper - Grell, naturally.
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When the story Lau tells Ran-Mao is true and he actually is that Zhou he is talking about, then it could be possible that like Ciel he had sold his soul to a devil, just with the twist that he could get a little (super-strong)sister that would do anything for him and follow him everywhere he goes.

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When the story Lau tells Ran-Mao is true and he actually is that Zhou he is talking about, then it could be possible that like Ciel he had sold his soul to a devil, just with the twist that he could get a little (super-strong)sister that would do anything for him and follow him everywhere he goes.goes.
**Sister? You DO realize Lau Means [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean something else]], right?
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When the story he tells Ran-Mao is true and he actually is that Zhou he is talking about, then it could be possible that like Ciel he had sold his soul to a devil, just with the twist that he could get a little (super-strong)sister that would do anything for him and follow him everywhere he goes.

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When the story he Lau tells Ran-Mao is true and he actually is that Zhou he is talking about, then it could be possible that like Ciel he had sold his soul to a devil, just with the twist that he could get a little (super-strong)sister that would do anything for him and follow him everywhere he goes.
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And they had some memory melding like process and can't tell whose memory is whose anymore.

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And they had some memory melding like process and can't tell whose memory is whose anymore.anymore.

[[WMG:Ran-Mao is a demon.]]
When the story he tells Ran-Mao is true and he actually is that Zhou he is talking about, then it could be possible that like Ciel he had sold his soul to a devil, just with the twist that he could get a little (super-strong)sister that would do anything for him and follow him everywhere he goes.
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She's just pretending to be oblivious because she doesn't want Ciel to feel guilty.

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She's just pretending to be oblivious because she doesn't want Ciel to feel guilty.guilty.

[[WMG: Ciel isn't the real Ciel Phantomhive.]]
He just another kid that looks a lot like him, or somehow he was able to transfer his looks to another body after being sacrificed by the cultists. Would explain how in chapter 54, he can't seem to tell whether he was in the cage, or dying on the sacrificial altar.
Or alternatively....

[[WMG: Ciel has an identical twin.]]
And they had some memory melding like process and can't tell whose memory is whose anymore.
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The mangaka could have killed him off arbitrarily, but didn't. Instead, he was spared and put to work as a footman with the promise that they would find the rest of the circus. There's no other reason to keep Snake alive unless he's going to sacrifice himself during this chapter or he's going to find his buddies in the circus and they'll ALL work for Ciel.

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The mangaka could have killed him off arbitrarily, but didn't. Instead, he was spared and put to work as a footman with the promise that they would find the rest of the circus. There's no other reason to keep Snake alive unless he's going to sacrifice himself during this chapter or he's going to find his buddies in the circus and they'll ALL work for Ciel.Ciel.
[[WMG: Lizzy knows everything]]
She's just pretending to be oblivious because she doesn't want Ciel to feel guilty.
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** Though he has some similarities to Vincent as well, such as [[Eyescream]].

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** Though he has some similarities does have a lot of [[EyeScream similarities]] to Vincent as well, such as [[Eyescream]].
well.
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** Though he has some similarities to Vincent as well, such as [[spoiler:[[Eyescream]]]].

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** Though he has some similarities to Vincent as well, such as [[spoiler:[[Eyescream]]]].
[[Eyescream]].
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**Though he has some similarities to Vincent as well, such as [[spoiler:[[Eyescream]]]].
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* [[FridgeBrilliance ...Awesome]]
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Both run their own companies and are the children of wealthy families. They are both pessimistic cynics, very intelligent, fond of dark colours and sometimes have to mask their true natures. They wage war on the criminal underworld, driven by [[spoiler: the need to avenge their parents' deaths]]. And has anyone else noticed that Tanaka and Alfred look awfully alike? The manga even has a character named Joker, who happens to be a circus performer! So either Bruce Wayne is the reincarnation of Ciel Phantomhive or the both come from alternate dimensions.

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Both run their own companies and are the children of wealthy families. They are both pessimistic cynics, very intelligent, fond of dark colours and sometimes have to mask their true natures. They wage war on the criminal underworld, driven by [[spoiler: the need to avenge their parents' deaths]]. And has anyone else noticed that Tanaka and Alfred look awfully alike? The manga even has a character named Joker, who happens to be a circus performer! So either Bruce Wayne is the reincarnation of Ciel Phantomhive or the both come from alternate dimensions.dimensions.

[[WMG: The Noah's Ark Circus is Coming Back]]
The mangaka could have killed him off arbitrarily, but didn't. Instead, he was spared and put to work as a footman with the promise that they would find the rest of the circus. There's no other reason to keep Snake alive unless he's going to sacrifice himself during this chapter or he's going to find his buddies in the circus and they'll ALL work for Ciel.

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*** No she didn't. We only saw Sebastian give out packages to Undertaker, Lau, and Soma+Agni. Plus, Mary Sue isn't defined by everybody liking a person.

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*** OP: No she didn't. We only saw Sebastian give out packages to Undertaker, Lau, and Soma+Agni. Soma + Agni. Plus, Mary Sue isn't defined by everybody liking a person.
person. Though, I did leave it as a YMMV. You may not think she's a Sue, but there are people in the Black Butler community do. It's all based on matter of opinion.

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***No she didn't. We only saw Sebastian give out packages to Undertaker, Lau, and Soma+Agni. Plus, Mary Sue isn't defined by everybody liking a person.
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[[WMG: Ciel is the alternate-universe version of [[Batman]].]]

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[[WMG: Ciel is the alternate-universe version of [[Batman]].{{Batman}}.]]
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** Except that she 'did' receive a package and went to tears over it. Also, Lizzie is flawed, not the focus of the story at all, and not everyone likes her. Mary-Sue? Doubt it.

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** Except that she 'did' receive a package and went to tears over it. Also, Lizzie is flawed, not the focus of the story at all, and not everyone likes her. Mary-Sue? Doubt it.it.

[[WMG: Ciel is the alternate-universe version of [[Batman]].]]
Both run their own companies and are the children of wealthy families. They are both pessimistic cynics, very intelligent, fond of dark colours and sometimes have to mask their true natures. They wage war on the criminal underworld, driven by [[spoiler: the need to avenge their parents' deaths]]. And has anyone else noticed that Tanaka and Alfred look awfully alike? The manga even has a character named Joker, who happens to be a circus performer! So either Bruce Wayne is the reincarnation of Ciel Phantomhive or the both come from alternate dimensions.
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Know it in your heart to be true that [[{{YourMileageMayVary}} Mary Sues will always die.]]

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Know it in your heart to be true that [[{{YourMileageMayVary}} Mary Sues will always die.]]]]
** Except that she 'did' receive a package and went to tears over it. Also, Lizzie is flawed, not the focus of the story at all, and not everyone likes her. Mary-Sue? Doubt it.

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