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[[WMG: The [[Series/DoctorWho 10th Doctor]] is a Sorrowful Man]]
* Because he says "I am so sorry."




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[[WMG: The people of Valyria dug deep into their volcanoes to find dragons and unleashed [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Balrogs]].]]



[[WMG: The people of Valyria dug deep into their volcanoes to find dragons and unleashed [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Balrogs]].]]



[[WMG: The [[Series/DoctorWho 10th Doctor]] is a Sorrowful Man]]
* Because he says "I am so sorry."
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[[WMG: There will be a SequelSeries in which Westeros breaks its MedievalStasis and moves through various other historical periods]]
Picture the 19th century Westeros, with the Kingsguard acting as US marshals, with Braavos as a New York stand-in infested with Dothraki crime families, and Targaryen descendants as absurdly wealthy tycoons living on an Andorra-esque Dragonstone (and then pass me my meds).
** Better give George R.R. Martin a big stash of high quality medicine and a personal crew of paramedics, to ensure his survival through the next forty years or so and give him time to write this. Or, better, put him in a [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Mr. House machine]].
** I'd prefer stories about Westeros history. I imagine ASOIAF will end with a feeling of completion.*
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[[WMG: GRRM is a Ricardian]]
Making Tyrion (the deformed, snarky {{Evil Uncle}}esque noble with bad publicity) one of the most sympathetic characters in the series was a deliberate invocation of the stereotypes surrounding popular depictions of UsefulNotes/RichardIII in order to subvert them.
** This also seems to be echoed a bit in the character of Renly. Renly is also Joffrey's uncle, and likes his nephew about as much as Tyrion does and in the tv series, is pretty much openly shown plotting to murder him and Cersei, which [[AssholeVictim really isn't all that bad of a decision]]. It's implied that this was the idea of Renly's boyfriend, Ser Loras Tyrell- note that the man who Richard supposedly had kill the "Princes in the Tower" was Sir James ''Tyrrell''.
** Stannis also has some of Richard III in him; Renly is also a bit of a mixture between George, 1st Duke of Clarence and Edmund, Earl of Rutlan.
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[[OvertookTheManga George knew the show would wrap up before he's finished]], and reveal one of the biggest secrets-the parentage of Jon Snow. Unless he hasn't even decided it for himself, he's at risk of Jon Snow's parentage being a CaptainObviousReveal. And if he changes it to be a case of NotHisSled, it'll come off as a ShockingSwerve instead. [[TakeAThirdOption He found two alternatives]]. The first is that the it won't be focused on the reveal [[spoiler:that Jon is Lyanna and Rhaegar's son]], but instead the outcome. To keep readers on their toes and because of how the two continuities have diverged, it'll go in a completely different route with how the reveal affects everyone. Other alternative? Jon's parents will be different in the books than in the show. If the other popular theory that Ned and Ashara are Jon's parents is true, then it could mean [[AdaptedOut Ashara's omission]] and the Daynes being much less involved in the show might be intentional to conceal that secret.

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[[OvertookTheManga George knew the show would wrap up before he's finished]], and reveal one of the biggest secrets-the parentage of Jon Snow. Unless he hasn't even decided it for himself, he's at risk of Jon Snow's parentage being a CaptainObviousReveal. And if he changes it to be a case of NotHisSled, it'll come off as a ShockingSwerve an AssPull instead. [[TakeAThirdOption He found two alternatives]]. The first is that the it won't be focused on the reveal [[spoiler:that Jon is Lyanna and Rhaegar's son]], but instead the outcome. To keep readers on their toes and because of how the two continuities have diverged, it'll go in a completely different route with how the reveal affects everyone. Other alternative? Jon's parents will be different in the books than in the show. If the other popular theory that Ned and Ashara are Jon's parents is true, then it could mean [[AdaptedOut Ashara's omission]] and the Daynes being much less involved in the show might be intentional to conceal that secret.

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[[WMG: The release of "The Winds of Winter" will coincide with the fourth season of Game of Thrones.]]
* While promoting season 3, Martin has states numerous times that he's writing the sixth book exceptionally fast. With season 3 being one of the most talked about single seasons in TV history, HBO will be pushing for all the Westeros it can get, and George needs to catch up with the TV series by season 6 (the Winds of Winter season according to the pace the series is going at) or else HBO could finish the saga before the author. Gods know we don't need two seasons for "A Feast for Cersei" and "A Dance with Filler POVs."
** HBO may find themselves in the lead anyway if Martin continues his famous trend for book 7, since Game of Thrones would only have three more season/years to go after the fourth season wraps up.

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[[WMG: Sweetrobin is [[Series/DoctorWho The Master]]]]
Right down to guardians that make poor life decisions for him. Also his father's estates were the Eyrie.

[[WMG:The Tenth Doctor was the inspiration for the Sorrowful Men.]]
Before they kill people, an assassin of the Sorrowful Men always says, "I am so sorry." Remind you of anyone?
* No. The Sorrowful Men pre-date the Tenth Doctor by at least eight years.
** Timey Wimey Wibbly Wobbly.

[[WMG: Beric Dondarrion was a Time Lord]]
That explains how he kept coming back to life. Presumably he got enough training to figure out how to control his regeneration, like Romana, explaining his lack of face-changing. Additionally, he gave up his remaining regenerations for Catelyn, as was demonstrated to be possible in "Let's Kill Hitler".

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[[WMG: Dolorous Edd is an alternate universe [[Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei Nozomu Itoshiki]]]]
Being in the Night Watch has left him in despair.

[[WMG: Melisandre of Asshai is Westeros' version of [[Manga/DeathNote Amane Misa]].]]
She kills people using rather dubious magical methods. She is a priestess of the Lord of ''Light''. Yeah, everything adds up...

[[WMG: Planetos is earth, but its the earth of the manga Toriko]]
* The landmasses are bigger because the gourmet meteor hit earth and started growing around it. The sunset lands are the gourmet world. Did you think the long-winded description of food was was a coincidence!? This would make the Others evil ice cream.
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[[WMG: Sam is based on George R.R. Martin]]
Martin realizes that if he were ever stuck in a realistic medieval fantasy, he'd be a total, ineffectual coward. Sam also loves to eat (hence his weight) and loves research as well, even telling Jon directly that he could learn a lot from the past. It's the closest thing we have to a person from the modern era dropped into a fantasy world, after all!
** For anyone who's ever read the Wild Card books and seen the main character George contributed to it (The Great and Powerful Turtle), it does seem he has a penchant for characters who are utterly convinced of their own worthlessness while still being incredibly potent in their own right. If it IS author protecting, then he's done it before.
* Sam seems based on [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Samwise Gamgee]] than anything.
** Not necessarily. The name could simply be a ShoutOut, given his relationship to a major character. His self-esteem problems, arguably his defining characteristic, don't really describe Samwise that well.

[[WMG: Martin is a Troper]]
Calling Rickon's wolf Shaggydog was a clue to [[ShootTheShaggyDog how the series will end]].
* Or he's not- ShaggyDogStory is a preexisting term, it could just be a hint that Rickon hasn't been doing anything interesting all this time...

[[WMG: The whole series is an elaborate practical joke on the reader.]]

Martin is deliberately writing the series to be as dark and horrifying as he possibly can, just to see how far he can push the fans until they break.
* [[TheAristocrats So, George R. R. Martin goes to see his publisher and says "I've got a great idea for a new book series...,"]]
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[[folder: Alternate Readings of the Series]]




[[WMG: Sweetrobin is [[Series/DoctorWho The Master]]]]
Right down to guardians that make poor life decisions for him. Also his father's estates were the Eyrie.

[[WMG:The Tenth Doctor was the inspiration for the Sorrowful Men.]]
Before they kill people, an assassin of the Sorrowful Men always says, "I am so sorry." Remind you of anyone?
* No. The Sorrowful Men pre-date the Tenth Doctor by at least eight years.
** Timey Wimey Wibbly Wobbly.

[[WMG: Sam is based on George R.R. Martin]]
Martin realizes that if he were ever stuck in a realistic medieval fantasy, he'd be a total, ineffectual coward. Sam also loves to eat (hence his weight) and loves research as well, even telling Jon directly that he could learn a lot from the past. It's the closest thing we have to a person from the modern era dropped into a fantasy world, after all!
** For anyone who's ever read the Wild Card books and seen the main character George contributed to it (The Great and Powerful Turtle), it does seem he has a penchant for characters who are utterly convinced of their own worthlessness while still being incredibly potent in their own right. If it IS author protecting, then he's done it before.
* Sam seems based on [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Samwise Gamgee]] than anything.
** Not necessarily. The name could simply be a ShoutOut, given his relationship to a major character. His self-esteem problems, arguably his defining characteristic, don't really describe Samwise that well.

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\n[[WMG: Sweetrobin is [[Series/DoctorWho The Master]]]]\nRight down to guardians that make poor life decisions for him. Also his father's estates were the Eyrie.\n\n[[WMG:The Tenth Doctor was the inspiration for the Sorrowful Men.]]\nBefore they kill people, an assassin of the Sorrowful Men always says, "I am so sorry." Remind you of anyone?\n* No. The Sorrowful Men pre-date the Tenth Doctor by at least eight years.\n** Timey Wimey Wibbly Wobbly.\n\n[[WMG: Sam is based on George R.R. Martin]]\nMartin realizes that if he were ever stuck in a realistic medieval fantasy, he'd be a total, ineffectual coward. Sam also loves to eat (hence his weight) and loves research as well, even telling Jon directly that he could learn a lot from the past. It's the closest thing we have to a person from the modern era dropped into a fantasy world, after all!\n** For anyone who's ever read the Wild Card books and seen the main character George contributed to it (The Great and Powerful Turtle), it does seem he has a penchant for characters who are utterly convinced of their own worthlessness while still being incredibly potent in their own right. If it IS author protecting, then he's done it before.\n* Sam seems based on [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Samwise Gamgee]] than anything.\n** Not necessarily. The name could simply be a ShoutOut, given his relationship to a major character. His self-esteem problems, arguably his defining characteristic, don't really describe Samwise that well. \n[[/folder]]


[[folder: Literature Crossovers]]



[[WMG: Martin is a Troper]]
Calling Rickon's wolf Shaggydog was a clue to [[ShootTheShaggyDog how the series will end]].
* Or he's not- ShaggyDogStory is a preexisting term, it could just be a hint that Rickon hasn't been doing anything interesting all this time...

[[WMG: The three eyed crow is [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tzeentch]]]]
Tzeentch is often reffered to in the Warhammer world as the raven god and his main way of gaining followers is sending people prophetic dreams.

[[WMG: Dolorous Edd is an alternate universe [[Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei Nozomu Itoshiki]]]]
Being in the Night Watch has left him in despair.

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[[WMG: Martin [[Literature/HarryPotter Severus Snape]] is the reincarnation of Ser Alliser Thorne.]]
They both have black hair and eyes and love terrorizing their pupils--particularly overweight cowardly ones (Neville in Snape's case, Samwell in Thorne's.)
* So when he gets back from his ranging [[GoodAllAlong he'll be on Jon's side?]]

[[WMG: King Stannis Barethon
is a Troper]]
Calling Rickon's wolf Shaggydog was
[[Literature/TheStormlightArchive Skybreaker Radiant]]]]
* He's definitely broken enough for
a clue spren to [[ShootTheShaggyDog how have been able to bond to him, and has been for a while. He acts as a guardian of humanity against a supernatural apocalypse, the series will end]].
* Or he's not- ShaggyDogStory is a preexisting term, it
precise function of the Knights Radiant. He has consistently followed the Skybreaker oath to "put the law before all else". Indeed, like their patron Herald, he follows that creed at times to the point of virtual insanity. We've seen repeatedly that someone can use the more basic Radiant powers (strength, speed, toughness, healing) without realizing it, so he could just easily be making minor use of his powers without him or anyone else noticing. In addition, since magic is still very rare in Westeros, there won't be a hint lot of free Investiture around for him to tap into, which would further limit his use of Surgebindings and make it harder for people to notice his powers. This also explains why he favors Melisandre so much, she seems to leak magic, which means that Rickon hasn't been doing anything interesting all this time...

when she's around, there's a ready supply of power for him to use. Finally, the real Lightbringer, the magic sword of heroes which shines with power and is potent to harm supernatural evils, sounds an awful lot like a Living Shardblade.

[[WMG: Vargo Hoat was created thusly]]
* George was searching for historical mercenary groups and came upon the janisseries. He took the most famous, Gjergj Kastriot and Vlad Tepes and mashed them. Kastrot by the way wore a goat head helmet and his traditional garb was incorporated with a link of coins. He rode under false pretenses in a castle and took control of it. The castle was atop the peak of a mountain above the "vale" next to a stream said to be the tears of a maiden, but that's another thing.

[[WMG: The three eyed crow entire series plus the Dunk and Egg tales are inspired by Northrop Frye's Theory of Archetypes]]
For anyone who's not familiar with the theory, Frye believed that Western literature falls into four main genres: comedy, romance, tragedy, and satire; and each of these correspond with one of the seasons: spring, summer, autumn, and winter.

Spring
is [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tzeentch]]]]
Tzeentch
comedy, defined as a story where the menace is often reffered relatively minor and the younger generation/lower class triumph fairly easily and the bad guys get their comeuppance. The first two Dunk and Egg tales, which are the most upbeat of their stories, take place in late spring. The tourney where Rhaegar and Lyanna meet and everything starts going to crap took place during the "false spring," where it seemed like things were going to be happily ever after but in fact winter was about to arrive again (making it actually an autumn, i.e. a tragedy).

Summer is romance, not the love-story kind but the battle between good and evil kind, where good wins but only through great sacrifice. The third Dunk and Egg story takes place
in the Warhammer world as summer and features the raven god Blackfyre rebellion and his main way a (metaphorical) dragon slaying.

Autumn is tragedy, where the hero's own flaws lead to their downfall. The first five books are all set during autumn, and hoo boy are they ever tragedies.

Winter is satire, but again slightly different than our definition, it isn't funny but rather social critique, like dystopian stories where you can mock the social order but have no real chance
of gaining followers is sending people prophetic dreams.

defeating it. Which doesn't bode well for book 6.

[[WMG: Dolorous Edd The entire series is an alternate universe [[Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei Nozomu Itoshiki]]]]
Being in
a {{Realpolitik}} version of Literature/TheLordOfTheRings]]
Treesicle's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxG03oBY5zU video]] was
the Night Watch initial inspiration, and [[Fanfic/MassEffectHumanRevolution IgnusDei]] had a brainwave; if Dany is Sauron, she has left him in despair.
direct analogues for ''all'' of his forces;
* Orks = Dothraki\\
Corsairs of Umbar = Iron Islanders\\
Haradrim = Dornishmen\\
Uruk-Hai = The Unsullied\\
The Fell Beasts = The Dragons\\
The Nazgul = Jorah Mormont, Grey Worm, Daario Naharis\\
Saruman = Varys\\
The Mouth of Sauron = The Hand of the Queen AKA Tyrion Lannister\\
The One Ring = The Iron Throne
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[[folder: The Series is Ragnarok (detailed enough for its own folder]]




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[[WMG: Melisandre of Asshai is Westeros' version of [[Manga/DeathNote Amane Misa]].]]
She kills people using rather dubious magical methods. She is a priestess of the Lord of ''Light''. Yeah, everything adds up...




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[[/folder]]



[[WMG: [[Literature/HarryPotter Severus Snape]] is the reincarnation of Ser Alliser Thorne.]]
They both have black hair and eyes and love terrorizing their pupils--particularly overweight cowardly ones (Neville in Snape's case, Samwell in Thorne's.)
* So when he gets back from his ranging [[GoodAllAlong he'll be on Jon's side?]]

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[[WMG: [[Literature/HarryPotter Severus Snape]] is the reincarnation of Ser Alliser Thorne.]]
They both have black hair and eyes and love terrorizing their pupils--particularly overweight cowardly ones (Neville in Snape's case, Samwell in Thorne's.)
* So when he gets back from his ranging [[GoodAllAlong he'll be on Jon's side?]]
[[folder: Music Crossovers]]




[[WMG: Beric Dondarrion was a Time Lord]]
That explains how he kept coming back to life. Presumably he got enough training to figure out how to control his regeneration, like Romana, explaining his lack of face-changing. Additionally, he gave up his remaining regenerations for Catelyn, as was demonstrated to be possible in "Let's Kill Hitler".


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\n[[WMG: Beric Dondarrion was a Time Lord]]\nThat explains how he kept coming back to life. Presumably he got enough training to figure out how to control his regeneration, like Romana, explaining his lack of face-changing. Additionally, he gave up his remaining regenerations for Catelyn, as was demonstrated to be possible in "Let's Kill Hitler".\n\n[[/folder]]



[[WMG: The whole series is an elaborate practical joke on the reader.]]

Martin is deliberately writing the series to be as dark and horrifying as he possibly can, just to see how far he can push the fans until they break.
* [[TheAristocrats So, George R. R. Martin goes to see his publisher and says "I've got a great idea for a new book series...,"]]



[[folder: Tabletop Games Crossovers]]
[[WMG: The three eyed crow is [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tzeentch]]]]
Tzeentch is often reffered to in the Warhammer world as the raven god and his main way of gaining followers is sending people prophetic dreams.



[[WMG: The world of Westeros overlaps with [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Planescape Planescape]]]]
* It's actually the 629th layer of the Abyss, which explains the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrapsackWorld a lot about the setting]].
[[/folder]]




[[WMG: King Stannis Barethon is a [[Literature/TheStormlightArchive Skybreaker Radiant]]]]
* He's definitely broken enough for a spren to have been able to bond to him, and has been for a while. He acts as a guardian of humanity against a supernatural apocalypse, the precise function of the Knights Radiant. He has consistently followed the Skybreaker oath to "put the law before all else". Indeed, like their patron Herald, he follows that creed at times to the point of virtual insanity. We've seen repeatedly that someone can use the more basic Radiant powers (strength, speed, toughness, healing) without realizing it, so he could easily be making minor use of his powers without him or anyone else noticing. In addition, since magic is still very rare in Westeros, there won't be a lot of free Investiture around for him to tap into, which would further limit his use of Surgebindings and make it harder for people to notice his powers. This also explains why he favors Melisandre so much, she seems to leak magic, which means that when she's around, there's a ready supply of power for him to use. Finally, the real Lightbringer, the magic sword of heroes which shines with power and is potent to harm supernatural evils, sounds an awful lot like a Living Shardblade.

[[WMG: The world of Westeros overlaps with [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TabletopGame/Planescape Planescape]]]]
* It's actually the 629th layer of the Abyss, which explains the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrapsackWorld a lot about the setting]].



[[WMG: Planetos is earth, but its the earth of the manga Toriko]]
* The landmasses are bigger because the gourmet meteor hit earth and started growing around it. The sunset lands are the gourmet world. Did you think the long-winded description of food was was a coincidence!? This would make the Others evil ice cream.



[[WMG: Vargo Hoat was created thusly]]
* George was searching for historical mercenary groups and came upon the janisseries. He took the most famous, Gjergj Kastriot and Vlad Tepes and mashed them. Kastrot by the way wore a goat head helmet and his traditional garb was incorporated with a link of coins. He rode under false pretenses in a castle and took control of it. The castle was atop the peak of a mountain above the "vale" next to a stream said to be the tears of a maiden, but that's another thing.

[[WMG: The entire series plus the Dunk and Egg tales are inspired by Northrop Frye's Theory of Archetypes]]
For anyone who's not familiar with the theory, Frye believed that Western literature falls into four main genres: comedy, romance, tragedy, and satire; and each of these correspond with one of the seasons: spring, summer, autumn, and winter.

Spring is comedy, defined as a story where the menace is relatively minor and the younger generation/lower class triumph fairly easily and the bad guys get their comeuppance. The first two Dunk and Egg tales, which are the most upbeat of their stories, take place in late spring. The tourney where Rhaegar and Lyanna meet and everything starts going to crap took place during the "false spring," where it seemed like things were going to be happily ever after but in fact winter was about to arrive again (making it actually an autumn, i.e. a tragedy).

Summer is romance, not the love-story kind but the battle between good and evil kind, where good wins but only through great sacrifice. The third Dunk and Egg story takes place in the summer and features the Blackfyre rebellion and a (metaphorical) dragon slaying.

Autumn is tragedy, where the hero's own flaws lead to their downfall. The first five books are all set during autumn, and hoo boy are they ever tragedies.

Winter is satire, but again slightly different than our definition, it isn't funny but rather social critique, like dystopian stories where you can mock the social order but have no real chance of defeating it. Which doesn't bode well for book 6.

[[WMG: The entire series is a {{Realpolitik}} version of Literature/TheLordOfTheRings]]
Treesicle's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxG03oBY5zU video]] was the initial inspiration, and [[Fanfic/MassEffectHumanRevolution IgnusDei]] had a brainwave; if Dany is Sauron, she has direct analogues for ''all'' of his forces;
* Orks = Dothraki\\
Corsairs of Umbar = Iron Islanders\\
Haradrim = Dornishmen\\
Uruk-Hai = The Unsullied\\
The Fell Beasts = The Dragons\\
The Nazgul = Jorah Mormont, Grey Worm, Daario Naharis\\
Saruman = Varys\\
The Mouth of Sauron = The Hand of the Queen AKA Tyrion Lannister\\
The One Ring = The Iron Throne
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[[WMG: George Martin will [[AuthorExistenceFailure die before the series is concluded]] or [[{{Troll}} purposely write a crappy ending to the series.]]]]

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[[WMG: George Martin will [[AuthorExistenceFailure [[DiedDuringProduction die before the series is concluded]] or [[{{Troll}} purposely write a crappy ending to the series.]]]]
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It would explain a lot.

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It would explain a lot.lot.

[[WMG: Euron is Nylarthotep.]]
Going along with the drowned-god-is-Cthulhu theory, Euron himself seems to have a lot in common with Nylarthotep. Just like Nylarthotep, he mocks the feeble gods of the Earth, does wondrous displays to win over followers, and is charismatic enough to mask his evil. Nylarthotep is the 'crawling chaos,' and Euron definitely seems to love chaos. Not to mention that they're both utter jerkwads, (that's putting it lightly in both cases) and there's just a lot of Lovecraftian imagery around the Greyjoys in general. It would also explain how he got all those magical artifacts, his obsession with magic in general, AND his mocking of the Drowned God. Why would Nylarthotep, and Outer God, respect Cthulhu, a Great Old one?

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