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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: In one book Lemony notes, fairly specifically, that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is during the course of the story. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?

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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: In one book Lemony notes, fairly specifically, that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is during the course of the story. Violet also would have been named Lemony had she been a boy - but Klaus is a boy and was born less than two years after Violet, why didn't their parents name him Lemony? Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before ''before'' Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?her?
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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: Lemony notes, fairly specifically, that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is during the course of the story. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?

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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: In one book Lemony notes, fairly specifically, that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is during the course of the story. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?
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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: Lemony notes that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?

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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: Lemony notes notes, fairly specifically, that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is.is during the course of the story. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?
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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: Lemony notes that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (apparently incorrectly) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat".

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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: Lemony notes that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (apparently incorrectly) (sometimes) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat". Why would Violet, and only Violet, have a song about Lemony sung to her?
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*** Actually it's not entirely jossed, just incredibly unlikely based on the sheer amount of events that occurred on the island while the parents were there. The notion that ''Violet'' could potentially be Lemony's biological child is at the very least tossed around: Lemony notes that he didn't see Beatrice for "fifteen years", which is roughly the age Violet is. Also suspiciously, Violet vaguely remembers hearing the VFD motto in the form of a nursery song that she swears her parents sung to her before Klaus was born - Lemony is the apparent main subject of a song containing the VFD motto in it that's (apparently incorrectly) set to the tune of "row-row-row your boat".
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* What happened at the opera: [[spoiler:Lemony went to meet up with Beatrice and try to win her love one last time, but with Esme's interference, they end up killing Olaf's parents with poison darts.]]

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* What happened at the opera: [[spoiler:Lemony went to meet up with Beatrice and try to win her love one last time, but with Esme's Esmé Squalor's interference, they end up killing Olaf's parents with poison darts.]]



* They were both neutral but only in secret. While working with Violet one of them gives her the harpoon gun while asking if she should really be giving it to Esme and Carmelita, and the birdpaper he had Klaus set up could have just as easily been a method to capture the sugar bowl as it was a means to separate the bird from the sugar bowl. This is why they both run the hotel that acts as a meeting point between the two sides. At some point Count Olaf found out about this which is why he thought he could ask either brother to help him when mistaking Dewey for one of them. Dewey knew about this but wasn't involved as they thought he steered a bit too much toward the noble side.

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* They were both neutral but only in secret. While working with Violet one of them gives her the harpoon gun while asking if she should really be giving it to Esme Esmé and Carmelita, and the birdpaper he had Klaus set up could have just as easily been a method to capture the sugar bowl as it was a means to separate the bird from the sugar bowl. This is why they both run the hotel that acts as a meeting point between the two sides. At some point Count Olaf found out about this which is why he thought he could ask either brother to help him when mistaking Dewey for one of them. Dewey knew about this but wasn't involved as they thought he steered a bit too much toward the noble side.
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* Alternatively, he wants the Baudelaire's fortune as a means to get back at them for "taking everything from them" in his mind. Remember that Olaf seems to believe that the Baudelaire parents made him an orphan. He wants to spite this family for ruining his life - aside from wanting to kill every other member of the VFD for also ruining his life.
** Adding even more speculation: If Olaf didn't kill the Baudelaire parents (as implied in The End), maybe he wanted to and that's why he's so driven to get Violet, Klaus and Sunny specifically even after the Quagmire and the Snicket fortunes were out of his hands - he was plotting to enact revenge but lost the chance to when the Baudelaire parents were killed by someone else, so he won't allow anyone else to destroy the Baudelaire's lives.

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* As the series goes on the Baudelaire orphans have to commit some pretty heinous acts to survive or get more information on the VFD. Something about the unfortunate events they have to experience within the organization - especially since their parents wrote a book on the island about their own awful experiences, leaves me to believe the Baudelaire orphans aren't the first kids who accidentally killed people or unintentionally lead to someone's death.
What if the poison darts were used in the wrong way during the "night at the opera" Olaf mentions, and his parents were killed by accident (in a similar way to how Dewey was killed)? But because his family and the Baudelaire's were on opposite ends of the schism, Olaf saw Beatrice and her future husband's act as assassination.

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* As the series goes on the Baudelaire orphans have to commit some pretty heinous acts to survive or get more information on the VFD. Something about the unfortunate events they have to experience within the organization - especially since their parents wrote a book on the island about their own awful experiences, leaves me to believe the Baudelaire orphans aren't the first kids who accidentally killed people or unintentionally lead to someone's death. \n What if the poison darts were used in the wrong way during the "night at the opera" Olaf mentions, and his parents were killed by accident (in a similar way to how Dewey was killed)? But because his family and the Baudelaire's were on opposite ends of the schism, Olaf saw Beatrice and her future husband's act as assassination.
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* They were both neutral but only in secret. While working with Violet one of them gives her the harpoon gun while asking if she should really be giving it to Esme and Carmelita, and the birdpaper he had Klaus set up could have just as easily been a method to capture the sugar bowl as it was a means to separate the bird from the sugar bowl. This is why they both run the hotel that acts as a meeting point between the two sides. At some point Count Olaf found out about this which is why he thought he could ask either brother to help him when mistaking Dewey for one of them. Dewey knew about this but wasn't involved as they thought he steered a bit too much toward the noble side.

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* They were both neutral but only in secret. While working with Violet one of them gives her the harpoon gun while asking if she should really be giving it to Esme and Carmelita, and the birdpaper he had Klaus set up could have just as easily been a method to capture the sugar bowl as it was a means to separate the bird from the sugar bowl. This is why they both run the hotel that acts as a meeting point between the two sides. At some point Count Olaf found out about this which is why he thought he could ask either brother to help him when mistaking Dewey for one of them. Dewey knew about this but wasn't involved as they thought he steered a bit too much toward the noble side.side.

[[WMG: If the Baudelaire parents DID kill Count Olaf's parents, it was when they were kids and wasn't entirely intentional.]]
*As the series goes on the Baudelaire orphans have to commit some pretty heinous acts to survive or get more information on the VFD. Something about the unfortunate events they have to experience within the organization - especially since their parents wrote a book on the island about their own awful experiences, leaves me to believe the Baudelaire orphans aren't the first kids who accidentally killed people or unintentionally lead to someone's death.
What if the poison darts were used in the wrong way during the "night at the opera" Olaf mentions, and his parents were killed by accident (in a similar way to how Dewey was killed)? But because his family and the Baudelaire's were on opposite ends of the schism, Olaf saw Beatrice and her future husband's act as assassination.
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* Confirmed by the Netflix series, which Handler helped to write.

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* Confirmed by the Netflix series, which Handler helped to write.write.

[[WMG: Neither Frank nor Earnest are good or evil]]
* They were both neutral but only in secret. While working with Violet one of them gives her the harpoon gun while asking if she should really be giving it to Esme and Carmelita, and the birdpaper he had Klaus set up could have just as easily been a method to capture the sugar bowl as it was a means to separate the bird from the sugar bowl. This is why they both run the hotel that acts as a meeting point between the two sides. At some point Count Olaf found out about this which is why he thought he could ask either brother to help him when mistaking Dewey for one of them. Dewey knew about this but wasn't involved as they thought he steered a bit too much toward the noble side.
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[[WMG: Count Olaf was the one who convinced Mr Poe that "closest living relative" was referring to distance.]]

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[[WMG: Count Olaf was the one who convinced Mr Poe that "closest living relative" was referring to distance.]]]]
* Confirmed by the Netflix series, which Handler helped to write.
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In the 12th book, Kit mentions that she delivered poison darts to the Baudelaire parents for an unexplained reason on the night of an opera performance. Count Olaf tells the children that his parents were killed by poison darts and heavily hints that it was the Baudelaire parents who did it on that same night. Finding out Kit was indirectly involved with the murder must have been the trigger that made Count Olaf switch to the other side of the schism, killing their relationship.

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In the 12th book, Kit mentions that she delivered poison darts to the Baudelaire parents for an unexplained reason on the night of an opera performance. Count Olaf tells the children that his parents were killed by poison darts and heavily hints that it was the Baudelaire parents who did it on that same night. Finding out Kit was indirectly involved with the murder must have been the trigger that made Count Olaf switch to the other side of the schism, killing their relationship.relationship.

[[WMG: Count Olaf was the one who convinced Mr Poe that "closest living relative" was referring to distance.]]
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* The line right after that scene, Snicket says that he knows ''exactly'' where the man in the taxi went afterwards.

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* The line right after that scene, Snicket says that he knows ''exactly'' where the man in the taxi went afterwards.afterwards, who the man was, the name of the woman hiding in the trunk, the type of musical instrument carefully placed in the backseat, the ingredients to the sandwich tucked into the glove compartment, nd the small item that sat on the passenger seat (implied to be the sugar bowl).
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Most likely, he has no interest in the money. Like a dog chasing cars, the point is the chase. There's no goal for what to do if he actually catches it. He's spent his entire life in a world full of people who are definitely not all that smart, and he's finally found someone else who can match wits with him. He's too cruel and emotionally stunted to interact with them like a normal person, so he chases them. Across the country. Across the world. It doesn't matter. He knows he'll never get the Baudelaire fortune, and he doesn't care.

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Most likely, he has no interest in the money. Like a dog chasing cars, the point is the chase. There's no goal for what to do if he actually catches it. He's spent his entire life in a world full of people who are definitely not all that smart, and he's finally found someone else who can match wits with him. He's too cruel and emotionally stunted to interact with them like a normal person, so he chases them. Across the country. Across the world. It doesn't matter. He knows he'll never get the Baudelaire fortune, and he doesn't care.care.

[[WMG: Count Olaf and Kit Snicket separated after he found out about the poison darts.]]
In the 12th book, Kit mentions that she delivered poison darts to the Baudelaire parents for an unexplained reason on the night of an opera performance. Count Olaf tells the children that his parents were killed by poison darts and heavily hints that it was the Baudelaire parents who did it on that same night. Finding out Kit was indirectly involved with the murder must have been the trigger that made Count Olaf switch to the other side of the schism, killing their relationship.
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** Oh, for the love of the effing Sugar Bowl, with Handler as author, I would not be surprised. Sir and Charles are (likely) proof that Handler is okay with gays and lesbians, so yeah, why the hell not!? Isadora, Duncan, and uigley all want Violet! Have fun!!! (no personal hatred towards this, but still - Handler is clever...)
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****Guys, girls, other genders, let me explain. Klaus is the main writer - he loved his mother, but in a mother-son way. To deflect suspicion and avoid Violet or Sunny being in danger, states the love was marriage related. Violet confesses when she finds out about Klaus's self-given mission, and Klaus publishes his autobiography - A Series Of Unfortune Events - with the help of his kind editor. Find the plot hole, a phrase which here means "find the ersatz problem in my theory."
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* Also, Esmé says that they already have the Spats fortune in Book the Tenth.




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* This may explain his immediate distrust of Count Olaf and his knowledge that the Baudelaires are orphans before they told him, but he also drove the Baudelaire parents off the island and leaves Kit Snicket to die on the Coastal shelf, which a loving brother (who, earlier, tried to contact his sister through one of the books, referring to her as "my dear sister") would never do.

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Besides the fact that "Baudelaire" is a French name, Violet's mechanical skills are shared with Hugo, while Klaus' bookworm-ness is shared with Isabelle. Plus, the actors that play Violet and Klaus on the Netflix series resemble Chloë Grace Moritz and Asa Butterfield, respectively.

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Besides the fact that "Baudelaire" is a French name, Violet's mechanical skills are shared with Hugo, while Klaus' bookworm-ness is shared with Isabelle. Plus, the actors that play Violet and Klaus on the Netflix series resemble Chloë Grace Moritz and Asa Butterfield, respectively.respectively.

[[WMG: Count Olaf doesn't Really Care About the Money]]
Think about it for a second. What's his endgame? After the first book, he has no real plan that would end with him having the money, and even then his plan has enormous holes in it. Even if we generously assume that he lives in a world with coverture and no ability for women to divorce (so he would actually have control of the money), his plan involves allowing Violet to stay alive. Violet, who built a functional grappling hook out of a curtain rod and ratty clothing. It's extremely difficult to see an outcome where this doesn't end with him as a missing person who really isn't missed.

Most likely, he has no interest in the money. Like a dog chasing cars, the point is the chase. There's no goal for what to do if he actually catches it. He's spent his entire life in a world full of people who are definitely not all that smart, and he's finally found someone else who can match wits with him. He's too cruel and emotionally stunted to interact with them like a normal person, so he chases them. Across the country. Across the world. It doesn't matter. He knows he'll never get the Baudelaire fortune, and he doesn't care.
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* More likely, conversations and thoughts are meant to be "reconstructed" in the same way that they are in narrative books about history. When ''exact'' phrasing used is unknown and when thoughts (which are inherently unknowable) are discussed, the author summarizes the gist of the conversation or thought process in a way that sounds like it came from the person involved. Given that [[LemonyNarrator the narrator]] is about as strange and personally involved as you can get without reaching UnreliableNarrator levels, it wouldn't be surprising that he doesn't mention that.
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[[WMG: The Baudelaires are descended from [[Film/{{Hugo}} Hugo Cabret and Isabelle Méliès]].]]

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[[WMG: The Baudelaires Baudelaire orphans are descended from [[Film/{{Hugo}} Hugo Cabret and Isabelle Méliès]].]]
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[[WMG: Lemony Snicket is Ishmael]] Lemony Snicket mentions several times that he was on the ocean or on a boat of some sort, whether he was stowing away or drowning, etc. As mentioned, everything ends up on the island so it's natural to think that Lemony eventually ended up there. That also explains where the sugar bowl went. This troper hasn't fully thought this theory out so she apologizes for any plotholes.

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[[WMG: Lemony Snicket is Ishmael]] Lemony Snicket mentions several times that he was on the ocean or on a boat of some sort, whether he was stowing away or drowning, etc. As mentioned, everything ends up on the island so it's natural to think that Lemony eventually ended up there. That also explains where the sugar bowl went. This troper hasn't fully thought this theory out so she apologizes for any plotholes.plotholes.

[[WMG: The Baudelaires are descended from [[Film/{{Hugo}} Hugo Cabret and Isabelle Méliès]].]]
Besides the fact that "Baudelaire" is a French name, Violet's mechanical skills are shared with Hugo, while Klaus' bookworm-ness is shared with Isabelle. Plus, the actors that play Violet and Klaus on the Netflix series resemble Chloë Grace Moritz and Asa Butterfield, respectively.
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Their [[LemonyNarrator writing styles]] are very similar, with both inserting themselves into the story. They both go by a name that's obviously a pen-name. The style of the stories themselves are similar. But the thing that really convinces me is that in [[Literature/SecretSeries The Name Of This Book Is Secret]], there's a burning library. Burning and/or libraries are major motifs in Literature/
''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents''. That it was featured in [[Literature/SecretSeries the Secret Series]] is either a ShoutOut or a huge hint that both pen-names are really the same person.

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Their [[LemonyNarrator writing styles]] are very similar, with both inserting themselves into the story. They both go by a name that's obviously a pen-name. The style of the stories themselves are similar. But the thing that really convinces me is that in [[Literature/SecretSeries The Name Of This Book Is Secret]], there's a burning library. Burning and/or libraries are major motifs in Literature/
''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents''. That it was featured in [[Literature/SecretSeries the Secret Series]] is either a ShoutOut or a huge hint that both pen-names are really the same person.
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[[WMG: Lemony Snicket is Ishmael]] Lemony Snicket mentions several times that he was on the ocean or on a boat of some sort, whether he was stowing away or drowning, etc. As mentioned, everything ends up on the island so it's natural to think that Lemony eventually ended up there. That also explains where the sugar bowl went. This troper hasn't fully thought this theory out so she apologizes for any plotholes.

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[[WMG: Lemony Snicket is Ishmael]] Lemony Snicket mentions several times that he was on the ocean or on a boat of some sort, whether he was stowing away or drowning, etc. As mentioned, everything ends up on the island so it's natural to think that Lemony eventually ended up there. That also explains where the sugar bowl went. This troper hasn't fully thought this theory out so she apologizes for any plotholes.

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Also, it was freezing. Why would they take off their clothes?
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*The Great Unknown is shaped like a question mark just like the Bombinating Beast in "All the Wrong Questions".
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*** Unless Violet and/or Sunny co-wrote the books under the same pseudonym? The siblings took turns in writing them.
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[[WMG: Lemony Snicket is Ishmael]] The Troper who wrote this is doing her homework, so she'll update this WMG in about two hours or so.

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[[WMG: Lemony Snicket is Ishmael]] The Troper who wrote this is doing her homework, so she'll update this WMG in about two hours or so.
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Their [[LemonyNarrator writing styles]] are very similar, with both inserting themselves into the story. They both go by a name that's obviously a pen-name. The style of the stories themselves are similar. But the thing that really convinces me is that in [[SecretSeries The Name Of This Book Is Secret]], there's a burning library. Burning and/or libraries are major motifs in Literature/
''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents''. That it was featured in [[SecretSeries the Secret Series]] is either a ShoutOut or a huge hint that both pen-names are really the same person.

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Their [[LemonyNarrator writing styles]] are very similar, with both inserting themselves into the story. They both go by a name that's obviously a pen-name. The style of the stories themselves are similar. But the thing that really convinces me is that in [[SecretSeries [[Literature/SecretSeries The Name Of This Book Is Secret]], there's a burning library. Burning and/or libraries are major motifs in Literature/
''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents''. That it was featured in [[SecretSeries [[Literature/SecretSeries the Secret Series]] is either a ShoutOut or a huge hint that both pen-names are really the same person.
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[[WMG: The triplets the kids befriend are indeed related to Glenn Quagmire, meaning it takes place in the same universe as Family Guy.]] Both qualify as a CrapsackWorld, so it wouldn't be entirely impossible.


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[[WMG: The triplets the kids befriend are indeed related to Glenn Quagmire, Quagmire (don't ask how!), meaning it takes place in the same universe as Family Guy.]] Both qualify as a CrapsackWorld, so it wouldn't be entirely impossible.

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