History VideoGame / HavenAndHearth

->''Killing, pillaging, sieging, and razing villages is what I enjoy doing most in haven. When I started playing all the way back in 2013, I was "fortunate" to know before hand that Haven is a pvp/permadeath (WAY less forgiving in world 7). And honestly, that's what attracted me to this game in the first place and it's the reason I still play. I've KO'd, killed, and sieged countless amounts of players over the years and based on the vast majority of reactions people have, they genuinely had no idea what was happening.

** Above entries should probably be rewritten, but to put it shortly: developers have been struggling to create a version of Ranged combat that is both A) useful in PvP B) not completely broken OP.

* DisproportionateRetribution: Often invoked by the sandbox PvP nature of the game.

** Invoked with the PvP tactic designed to work around the three-tiered Hitpoints system and "KO Protection" by only using non-damaging moves, that still create openings, and then use "[[FinishingMove Cleave]]" to deal massive damage that, if sufficient, causes the target to simply die without entering the protected KO state.

** Caves are full of GoddamnedBats that, despite ostensibly being just regular bats[[note]]Largest European bat weighs less than 100 grams and only real threat to a human is a rabies vector.[[/note]] they can attack and maul players similar to much larger animals. At least there's an EncounterRepellant in the form of [[https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Bat_Wing a cape]] that prevents bat aggro, when worn.

** Caves are full of GoddamnedBats that, despite ostensibly being just regular bats, can attack and maul you. [[note]]While European bats do have sharp teeth, even largest one weighs less than 100 grams and main concern with real bat biting a human is that they may carry rabies. In-game they fight in melee the same way as animals ranging from foxes to bears and moose do.[[/note]] At least you can craft [[https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Bat_Wing a cape]] that functions as EncounterRepellant when worn.

* BearsAreBadNews: Bears are ''not'' kind. They're the toughest wild creatures in the game, will attack any players nearby regardless of aggro, can outrun most hearthlings, and ''will'' attack you when you're down and kill you.

[[https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=72745 Latest world started August 12th, 2022.]]

* InstantLeechJustFallInWater: More specifically, swamp water. They can be used medicinally but since they can damage players and can be forcibly placed on them, they are of course weaponized as well.

** Someone chasing you with a two-handed battle-axe can definitely kill you, but they have to pull of the trick described in example below.
** Deep water, on the other hand, is [[SuperDrowningSkills invariably lethal]] if you are KO'd when trying to escape by swimming or if you get KO'd while on a boat and then attacker simply [[CuttingTheKnot breaks your boat]]. [[note]]To reiterate, trying to escape by swimming likely results in certain death, while taking the axe to face can be something you survive.[[/note]]

** You can die from eating too much peppered food.[[note]]Peppering food gave too much FEP bonus so it was nerfed by making it hurt your hard hitpoints with little feedback. This is almost universally thought of as band-aid on fundamentally bad system.[[/note]]

* NonStandardGameOver: Many things are unexpedly lethal, or more lethal than something that intuitively should be more dangerous.

** Deep water, on the other hand, is [[SuperDrowningSkills invariably lethal]] if you are KO'd when trying to escape by swimming or if you get Ko'd while on a boat and then attacker simply [[CuttingTheKnot breaks your boat]]. [[note]]To reiterate, trying to escape by swimming can result in certain death, while taking the axe to face can be something you survive.[[/note]]

** Unless the person chasing you with a two-handed battle-axe manages to pull of the trick described in an entry below, it's much easier to kill people by drowning them. Knocking someone out and destroying their boat so that they drown? Game counts that as simple "assault and battery" which is far below "murder."
** If you stayed on dry land and managed to survive attacker's FinishingMove you need to check if they placed some leeches that are about to suck out your last hitpoints.

** Bat Dungeon is one of the most dangerous [[note]]Assuming the recently added Wolf lair isn't worse[[/note]] PvE challenges in the game. While there are various item rewards that can be worth the hassle, the permanent character buff you gain from seeing [[FinalBoss Night Queen]] die is - normal bats [[EncounterRepellant no longer attacking you]]. However bats are such a nuisance you definitely want this on a character that regularly mines or spelunks for cave herbs and clay. [[note]]Bat Wing mentioned in above entry gives the same effect, but now you need to not worry about having one and can use any other cape. "Openings" -system means that no matter how powerful your character, each bat takes at least two hits. They can slowly build up openings if you let them. At least players were given the ability to use Pick Axes as [[ImprovisedWeapon]]s.[[/note]]

** You can die from eating too much peppered food.[[note]]Peppering food gave too much FEP bonus so it was nerfed by making it hurt your hard hitpoints with little feedback. This is almost universally thought of as bad band-aid change.[[/note]]