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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] [[note]]320[[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, people will complain about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] [[note]]320[[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, people will complain about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, AudienceAlienatingEra, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.
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Germany has a long history of producing railway carriages, especially the factories in the former GDR. Many sleeper carriages in the former Soviet bloc were built in East Germany and ex-DR stock is becoming increasingly common in places like Romania.

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Germany has a long history of producing railway carriages, especially the factories in the former GDR. Many sleeper carriages in the former Soviet bloc were built in East Germany and ex-DR stock is becoming increasingly common in places like Romania. Israel's rolling stock consists near-entirely of the same double deckers as German regional lines – in fact, the Israeli buyers decided to change the color scheme to the German white-stripes-on-red after seeing the finished product run in Germany.
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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, people will complain about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas other trains usually have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains. After Flixbus virtually cornered the German long distance bus market shortly after its emergence they decided to dip their toe into the long distance train network, but they only run a handful of routes a couple of times daily, so they are more of a curiosity than real competition on the rails.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] [[note]]320[[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, people will complain about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas other trains usually have top speeds at or below 160 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains. After Flixbus virtually cornered the German long distance bus market shortly after its emergence they decided to dip their toe into the long distance train network, but they only run a handful of routes a couple of times daily, so they are more of a curiosity than real competition on the rails.



* The ICE 3 - actually two different types of train the "old" ICE 3 (built 1997-2006) and the "Velaro D" or "new ICE 3" (built 2009-2012). The old ICE 3 was the first multiple unit to enter high speed service in Germany also the first train to have a scheduled maximum speed higher than 300 km/h. Its snout is recognizably rounder and looks more aerodynamic than that of its predecessor. The Velaro D is the localized variety of a train that was already sold to Russian and Spanish operators by the time it entered service in Germany. It spent some time in DevelopmentHell because the Eisenbahnbundesamt (the German railway control office[[note]] If you're American, think Federal Railroad Administration (FRA)[[/note]]) argued with Siemens (the manufacturer) about a software bug that delayed braking by a second.
* The ICE 4 to enter service with the schedule change in December 2017. Described as looking like Creator/AngelinaJolie by then DB head Rüdiger Grube (it does have "eyelashes" on its snout if you squint real hard) with a top speed of "only" 250 km/h it is intended to replace the IC as well as the first two generations of ICE on routes where higher speeds are not possible or don't make that much of a time difference. The first ICE to regularly allow bicycles on board.

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* The ICE 3 - actually two different types of train the "old" ICE 3 (built 1997-2006) and the "Velaro D" or "new ICE 3" (built 2009-2012). The old ICE 3 was the first multiple unit to enter high speed service in Germany also the first train to have a scheduled maximum speed higher than 300 km/h.[[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]]. Its snout is recognizably rounder and looks more aerodynamic than that of its predecessor. The Velaro D is the localized variety of a train that was already sold to Russian and Spanish operators by the time it entered service in Germany. It spent some time in DevelopmentHell because the Eisenbahnbundesamt (the German railway control office[[note]] If you're American, think Federal Railroad Administration (FRA)[[/note]]) argued with Siemens (the manufacturer) about a software bug that delayed braking by a second.
* The ICE 4 to enter service with the schedule change in December 2017. Described as looking like Creator/AngelinaJolie by then DB head Rüdiger Grube (it does have "eyelashes" on its snout if you squint real hard) with a top speed of "only" 250 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] it is intended to replace the IC as well as the first two generations of ICE on routes where higher speeds are not possible or don't make that much of a time difference. The first ICE to regularly allow bicycles on board.



* ICE T - the T means "tilt". Its maximum speed is 230 km/h It was originally intended as an Intercity (hence the lower maximum speed) but ultimately "uptitled" to ICE service without much change to the technology behind it. Interior design and seat pitch are similar to the ICE 3 though.
* ICE TD - a tilting train that runs on Diesel with a max speed of 200 km/h intended for minor lines now runs service to Denmark which has a largely non-electrified network. Its service on domestic lines in Germany was notoriously plagued with technical problems as the additional stress of the tilting made the axles crack and while the problem is (mostly) solved now, most ICE TD are still run without tilting and many routes they used to run on are now only served by regional trains with DB making clear that for long distance trains to return there would have to be electrification first. Given the DevelopmentHell large scale rail projects tend to get stuck in in Germany this means No ICE for You! on many routes. The last ICE TD was withdrawn in 2017, with little interest from buyers. One set is still in-use as a test train, while the rest are likely destined for the scrapyard.
* ICE L - a future trainset; the 'L' stands for 'low floor'. These sets are locomotive-hauled and capable of speeds of up to 230 km/h, making them Deutsche Bahn's AlternateCompanyEquivalent to ÖBB's [=RailJet=] trainsets. The ICE L is primarily intended for international services and for upgrading existing domestic IC lines. Flexibility is also a major selling point of these units; although the carriages will be delivered with dedicated electric locomotives, the ability to swap them out with other locomotives is also in the design brief with the intention of using bi-mode locomotives (or diesel or whatever option replaces diesel in the future[[note]]battery-electric and hydrogen seem to be the strongest contenders[[/note]]) on certain routes in mind. The ICE L will be manufactured by Talgo, making it the first ICE set to not be made by a German company.

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* ICE T - the T means "tilt". Its maximum speed is 230 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] It was originally intended as an Intercity (hence the lower maximum speed) but ultimately "uptitled" to ICE service without much change to the technology behind it. Interior design and seat pitch are similar to the ICE 3 though.
* ICE TD - a tilting train that runs on Diesel with a max speed of 200 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] intended for minor lines now runs service to Denmark which has a largely non-electrified network. Its service on domestic lines in Germany was notoriously plagued with technical problems as the additional stress of the tilting made the axles crack and while the problem is (mostly) solved now, most ICE TD are still run without tilting and many routes they used to run on are now only served by regional trains with DB making clear that for long distance trains to return there would have to be electrification first. Given the DevelopmentHell large scale rail projects tend to get stuck in in Germany this means No ICE for You! on many routes. The last ICE TD was withdrawn in 2017, with little interest from buyers. One set is still in-use as a test train, while the rest are likely destined for the scrapyard.
* ICE L - a future trainset; the 'L' stands for 'low floor'. These sets are locomotive-hauled and capable of speeds of up to 230 km/h, [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]], making them Deutsche Bahn's AlternateCompanyEquivalent to ÖBB's [=RailJet=] trainsets. The ICE L is primarily intended for international services and for upgrading existing domestic IC lines. Flexibility is also a major selling point of these units; although the carriages will be delivered with dedicated electric locomotives, the ability to swap them out with other locomotives is also in the design brief with the intention of using bi-mode locomotives (or diesel or whatever option replaces diesel in the future[[note]]battery-electric and hydrogen seem to be the strongest contenders[[/note]]) on certain routes in mind. The ICE L will be manufactured by Talgo, making it the first ICE set to not be made by a German company.



* ICE V - the V stands for 'Versuch', or 'Experimental'. This one-off trainset is the grandfather of all the ICE sets, developed in the mid-80's to both test German high-speed rail technology and to serve as a showpiece for the upcoming ICE system in West Germany. It is noteworthy for having achieved a top speed of 406.9 km/h in 1988, which set the record for the highest top-speed achieved with a conventional train, and it still holds the record for the highest speed achieved in Germany. Even after the start of proper ICE services, it continued to conduct the occasional test until it was properly retired in 2000.

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* ICE V - the V stands for 'Versuch', or 'Experimental'. This one-off trainset is the grandfather of all the ICE sets, developed in the mid-80's to both test German high-speed rail technology and to serve as a showpiece for the upcoming ICE system in West Germany. It is noteworthy for having achieved a top speed of 406.9 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] in 1988, which set the record for the highest top-speed achieved with a conventional train, and it still holds the record for the highest speed achieved in Germany. Even after the start of proper ICE services, it continued to conduct the occasional test until it was properly retired in 2000.



Introduced in the 1970s, the Intercity was in some sense a predecessor of the Intercity Express, but Intercitys are still available on marginal routes or routes between secondary cities. They stop somewhat more frequently, usually are limited to a top speed of 200 km/h and often still include rolling stock that has seen better days, but recently a new order of bilevel cars in a design more akin to the ICE is intended to remedy this problem. Those are however limited to a top speed of only 160 km/h and due to being bilevel there isn't all that much space for luggage, which led critics to call them "regional trains with a white paintjob". As of 2016 no IC line has a frequency of more than once every two hours, but Deutsche Bahn has announced to change this in the foreseeable future.

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Introduced in the 1970s, the Intercity was in some sense a predecessor of the Intercity Express, but Intercitys are still available on marginal routes or routes between secondary cities. They stop somewhat more frequently, usually are limited to a top speed of 200 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] and often still include rolling stock that has seen better days, but recently a new order of bilevel cars in a design more akin to the ICE is intended to remedy this problem. Those are however limited to a top speed of only 160 km/h [[superscript:km]]∕[[subscript:h]] and due to being bilevel there isn't all that much space for luggage, which led critics to call them "regional trains with a white paintjob". As of 2016 no IC line has a frequency of more than once every two hours, but Deutsche Bahn has announced to change this in the foreseeable future.
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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] complain about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.
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* ICE TD - a tilting train that runs on Diesel with a max speed of 200 km/h intended for minor lines now runs service to Denmark which has a largely non-electrified network. Its service on domestic lines in Germany was notoriously plagued with technical problems as the additional stress of the tilting made the axles crack and while the problem is (mostly) solved now, most ICE TD are still run without tilting and many routes they used to run on are now only served by regional trains with DB making clear that for long distance trains to return there would have to be electrification first. Given the DevelopmentHell large scale rail projects tend to get stuck in in Germany this means No ICE for You! on many routes. The last ICE TD was withdrawn in 2017 and as there seems to be no buyer for the trains, they appear to be headed to the scrap-heap.

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* ICE TD - a tilting train that runs on Diesel with a max speed of 200 km/h intended for minor lines now runs service to Denmark which has a largely non-electrified network. Its service on domestic lines in Germany was notoriously plagued with technical problems as the additional stress of the tilting made the axles crack and while the problem is (mostly) solved now, most ICE TD are still run without tilting and many routes they used to run on are now only served by regional trains with DB making clear that for long distance trains to return there would have to be electrification first. Given the DevelopmentHell large scale rail projects tend to get stuck in in Germany this means No ICE for You! on many routes. The last ICE TD was withdrawn in 2017 and 2017, with little interest from buyers. One set is still in-use as there seems to be no buyer a test train, while the rest are likely destined for the trains, they appear to be headed to the scrap-heap.scrapyard.
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For completion's sake, there are a few extra ICE trainsets that have served odd roles over the years:
* ICE V - the V stands for 'Versuch', or 'Experimental'. This one-off trainset is the grandfather of all the ICE sets, developed in the mid-80's to both test German high-speed rail technology and to serve as a showpiece for the upcoming ICE system in West Germany. It is noteworthy for having achieved a top speed of 406.9 km/h in 1988, which set the record for the highest top-speed achieved with a conventional train, and it still holds the record for the highest speed achieved in Germany. Even after the start of proper ICE services, it continued to conduct the occasional test until it was properly retired in 2000.
* ICE S - the S stands for 'Schnellfahrt', or 'High-speed'. This was the ICE V's successor, and was essentially a modified ICE 2 consisting of two power cars with a single passenger car in-between. Its main purpose was to test technology that would later be implemented on the ICE 3. In 2006 it was rechristened as the ICE R ('Referenzfahrzeug', or 'Reference Train'), and it continues to be used for testing to this day.
* MET - for 'Metropolitan Express Train'. This was an attempt in 1999 to create a luxury-oriented train service that would operate between Hamburg and the Rhein-Ruhr, using distinct train sets with their own branding and ticketing. This service was ultimately cancelled in 2004 due to low ridership as it struggled to attract the kind of jetsetting business travellers it was aimed at (future examples of a similar service have generally been more successful by aiming at more budget-conscious travellers instead), but it left behind an oddity in the kinds of trains it used: These were Class 101 locomotives as are typical on IC services, hauling semi-permanently coupled carriages based on those found on the ICE 1 and 2 sets. After the Metropolitan's retirement, the MET sets were refurbished and continued to be used on both IC and ICE services, thus still making them ICE trains by a technicality!
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Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas other trains usually have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.

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Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas other trains usually have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.
trains. After Flixbus virtually cornered the German long distance bus market shortly after its emergence they decided to dip their toe into the long distance train network, but they only run a handful of routes a couple of times daily, so they are more of a curiosity than real competition on the rails.
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Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.

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Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains usually have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.
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* ICE L - a future trainset; the 'L' stands for 'low floor'. These sets are locomotive-hauled and capable of speeds of up to 230 km/h, making them Deutsch Bahn's AlternateCompanyEquivalent to ÖBB's [=RailJet=] trainsets. The ICE L is primarily intended for international services and for upgrading existing domestic IC lines. Flexibility is also a major selling point of these units; although the carriages will be delivered with dedicated electric locomotives, the ability to swap them out with other locomotives is also in the design brief with the intention of using bi-mode locomotives on certain routes in mind. The ICE L will be manufactured by Talgo, making it the first ICE set to not be made by a German company.

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* ICE L - a future trainset; the 'L' stands for 'low floor'. These sets are locomotive-hauled and capable of speeds of up to 230 km/h, making them Deutsch Deutsche Bahn's AlternateCompanyEquivalent to ÖBB's [=RailJet=] trainsets. The ICE L is primarily intended for international services and for upgrading existing domestic IC lines. Flexibility is also a major selling point of these units; although the carriages will be delivered with dedicated electric locomotives, the ability to swap them out with other locomotives is also in the design brief with the intention of using bi-mode locomotives (or diesel or whatever option replaces diesel in the future[[note]]battery-electric and hydrogen seem to be the strongest contenders[[/note]]) on certain routes in mind. The ICE L will be manufactured by Talgo, making it the first ICE set to not be made by a German company.
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* ICE T - the T means "tilt",. Its maximum speed is 230 km/h It was originally intended as an Intercity (hence the lower maximum speed) but ultimately "uptitled" to ICE service without much change to the technology behind it. Interior design and seat pitch are similar to the ICE 3 though.

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* ICE T - the T means "tilt",."tilt". Its maximum speed is 230 km/h It was originally intended as an Intercity (hence the lower maximum speed) but ultimately "uptitled" to ICE service without much change to the technology behind it. Interior design and seat pitch are similar to the ICE 3 though.
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* The ICE 2 - built 1995-1997 looks a lot like the ICE 1 except for having no "bump" above the restaurant car

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* The ICE 2 - built 1995-1997 looks 1995-1997. It is a lot like relatively subtle evolution of the ICE 1 except for having no "bump" above the 1, distinguished by two major design differences: The ICE 1's restaurant carcar has a noticeable raised ceiling while the ICE 2 does not, and the ICE 1 features locomotives at both ends while the ICE 2 features one locomotive with the other end featuring a cab car with passenger space.



Apart from those there are also two ICE varieties that are not actually all that fast and were intended for use on legacy tracks - both have tilting technology or at least a capacity for it when it is not switched off due to technical problems (surprisingly common)
* ICE T - the T means "tilt" Its maximum speed is 230 km/h It was originally intended as an Intercity (hence the lower maximum speed) but ultimately "uptitled" to ICE service without much change to the technology behind it. Interior design and seat pitch are similar to the ICE 3 though.

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Apart from those there are also two three ICE varieties that are not actually all that fast and were intended for use on legacy tracks - both have tilting technology or at least tracks, filling a capacity for it when it is not switched off due to technical problems (surprisingly common)
gap between IC and ICE services.
* ICE T - the T means "tilt" "tilt",. Its maximum speed is 230 km/h It was originally intended as an Intercity (hence the lower maximum speed) but ultimately "uptitled" to ICE service without much change to the technology behind it. Interior design and seat pitch are similar to the ICE 3 though.




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* ICE L - a future trainset; the 'L' stands for 'low floor'. These sets are locomotive-hauled and capable of speeds of up to 230 km/h, making them Deutsch Bahn's AlternateCompanyEquivalent to ÖBB's [=RailJet=] trainsets. The ICE L is primarily intended for international services and for upgrading existing domestic IC lines. Flexibility is also a major selling point of these units; although the carriages will be delivered with dedicated electric locomotives, the ability to swap them out with other locomotives is also in the design brief with the intention of using bi-mode locomotives on certain routes in mind. The ICE L will be manufactured by Talgo, making it the first ICE set to not be made by a German company.
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Ah... Germany... Wedged between two seacoasts and the foothills of the biggest mountain range of Central Europe. Criss crossed by Autobahns and full of people who love complaining about one thing: Deutsche Bahn. Why? Nobody knows.

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Ah... Germany... Wedged between two seacoasts and the foothills of the biggest mountain range of Central Europe. Criss crossed Criss-crossed by Autobahns and full of people who love complaining about one thing: Deutsche Bahn. Why? Nobody knows.
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->''"Ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard I.C.E. [inaudible] from Munich main station to Hamburg Altona, via Nuremberg, Würzburg, Fulda, Kassel Wilhelmshöhe, Göttingen, Hannover and Hamburg Hauptbahnhof"''

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->''"Ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard I.C.E. [inaudible] from Munich main station to Hamburg Altona, via Nuremberg, Würzburg, Fulda, Kassel Wilhelmshöhe, Göttingen, Hannover and Hamburg Hauptbahnhof"''Hauptbahnhof."''
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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may chose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics logistics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing easy-going charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may chose choose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long distance long-distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state run state-run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.
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Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland the competitors may chose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.

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Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland; the competitors may chose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland the competitors may chose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss.loss, although DB styled freight locomotives can be commonly seen in other countries, including the UK. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

Trains of Deutsche Bahn can roughly be categorized into two main categories, which are ColorCodedForYourConvenience - Long distance trains make less stops and have maximum speeds well above 160 km/h (100 mph) and are usually colored white, whereas all other trains have top speeds at or below 160 km/h and stop much more frequently.frequently, which are usually red. The latter are sometimes run by competitors and all of them receive a state subsidy paid by each of UsefulNotes/TheSixteenLandsOfDeutschland the competitors may chose their own names or paint jobs, but the contract that establishes the amount of subsidy usually dictates pretty much every other aspect of the trains as well as their frequency. As such DB Regio (the regional traffic subsidiary of Deutsche Bahn) or its private sector competition are very often MisBlamed for everything from too small trains to unrealistic schedules or a lack of air conditioning. Long distance trains on the other hand receive no subsidy [[note]] Some very limited Intercity runs ''do'' (usually because Deutsche Bahn would otherwise not run that specific train), but that means they are classed as "regional" trains in terms of the ticketing system and they are such a small exception, that they only matter if you are actually ''on'' one of those trains[[/note]] and can (in theory) be run by anybody. However, in practice the LoopholeAbuse on the part of DB Netz (who owns the tracks and sets the prices for track access) as well as economies of scale have kept the long distance market limited to Deutsche Bahn and a handful of other state run railway companies serving international routes as well as state run joint ventures like Thalys, which also serve international routes mainly. This was beginning to change until a 2012 law made long distance buses legal (they had been limited to a few pre-approved routes before), which started out by vastly undercutting DB's prices - even at a cost of an operating loss - thus eliminating the few niches there were for private long distance trains.



Rolling stock for regional trains is much more of a mixed bag and there is no real difference in terms of rolling stock used between Deutsche Bahn and its private sector competitors. Despite the fact that there are clear differences between Regionalexpress (makes more stops than a ICE or Intercity, but less than a Regionalbahn, abbreviated RE), Regionalbahn (a regional train serving pretty much every station, primarily deployed in rural areas abbreviated RB) and S-Bahn (an urban rail form serving every stop in an urban agglomeration, often serving as an addition to U-Bahn (such as in Berlin) or regional trains - usually not abbreviated), some trains serve all three roles. For example the Bombardier Talent II serves as a S-Bahn train in Nuremberg, but also a RE between Dresden and Leipzig, which requires it to be quite a JackOfAllStats

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Rolling stock for regional trains is much more of a mixed bag and there is no real difference in terms of rolling stock used between Deutsche Bahn and its private sector competitors. Despite the fact that there are clear differences between Regionalexpress (makes more stops than a ICE or Intercity, but less than a Regionalbahn, abbreviated RE), Regionalbahn (a regional train serving pretty much every station, primarily deployed in rural areas abbreviated RB) and S-Bahn (an urban rail form serving every stop in an urban agglomeration, often serving as an addition to U-Bahn (such as in Berlin) or regional trains - usually not abbreviated), some trains serve all three roles. For example the Bombardier Talent II serves as a S-Bahn train in Nuremberg, but also a RE between Dresden and Leipzig, which requires it to be quite a JackOfAllStatsJackOfAllStats.

Germany has a long history of producing railway carriages, especially the factories in the former GDR. Many sleeper carriages in the former Soviet bloc were built in East Germany and ex-DR stock is becoming increasingly common in places like Romania.
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Minor correction. BTW, the list of train stops on that route is NOT exhaustive.


->''"Ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard I.C.E. [inaudible] from Munich main station to Hamburg Altona, via Nuremberg, Würzburg, Fulda Kassel Wilhelmshöhe, Göttingen, Hannover and Hamburg Altona"''

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->''"Ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard I.C.E. [inaudible] from Munich main station to Hamburg Altona, via Nuremberg, Würzburg, Fulda Fulda, Kassel Wilhelmshöhe, Göttingen, Hannover and Hamburg Altona"''Hauptbahnhof"''
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* ICE TD - a tilting train that runs on Diesel with a max speed of 200 km/h intended for minor lines now runs service to Denmark which has a largely non-electrified network. Its service on domestic lines in Germany was notoriously plagued with technical problems as the additional stress of the tilting made the axles crack and while the problem is (mostly) solved now, most ICE TD are still run without tilting and many routes they used to run on are now only served by regional trains with DB making clear that for long distance trains to return there would have to be electrification first. Given the DevelopmentHell large scale rail projects tend to get stuck in in Germany this means No ICE for You! on many routes.

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* ICE TD - a tilting train that runs on Diesel with a max speed of 200 km/h intended for minor lines now runs service to Denmark which has a largely non-electrified network. Its service on domestic lines in Germany was notoriously plagued with technical problems as the additional stress of the tilting made the axles crack and while the problem is (mostly) solved now, most ICE TD are still run without tilting and many routes they used to run on are now only served by regional trains with DB making clear that for long distance trains to return there would have to be electrification first. Given the DevelopmentHell large scale rail projects tend to get stuck in in Germany this means No ICE for You! on many routes.
routes. The last ICE TD was withdrawn in 2017 and as there seems to be no buyer for the trains, they appear to be headed to the scrap-heap.
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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailwayEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailwayEnthusiast RailEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.
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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though)

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though)
though). Grube however threw in the towel when what was supposed to be a routine contract extension turned out to be yet another round of negotiations about how far to extend his contract (an issue which politicians had promised him to be settled) and Richard Lutz, an accountant and son of a railway worker who had been with the company since 1994 took over. While Lutz is lauded for his calm demeanor and being genuinely a RailwayEnthusiast (as evidenced by his gleeful demeanor when opening the new Berlin-Munich high speed line and riding in the cab), he lacks the easygoing charisma and charm of his predecessor and is frequently seen as a transitional solution until Ronald Pofalla (former Chief of Staff of the chancellor) who was a political appointee to the board can take over.
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Introduced in the 1970s, the Intercity was in some sense a predecessor of the Intercity Express, but Intercitys are still available on marginal routes or routes between secondary cities. They stop somewhat more frequently, usually are limited to a top speed of 200 km/h and often still include rolling stock that has seen better days, but recently a new order of bilevel cars in a design more akin to the ICE is intended to remedy this problem. Those are however limited to a top speed of only 160 km/h and due to being bilevel there isn't all that much space luggage, which led critics to call them "regional trains with a white paintjob". As of 2016 no IC line has a frequency of more than once every two hours, but Deutsche Bahn has announced to change this in the foreseeable future.

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Introduced in the 1970s, the Intercity was in some sense a predecessor of the Intercity Express, but Intercitys are still available on marginal routes or routes between secondary cities. They stop somewhat more frequently, usually are limited to a top speed of 200 km/h and often still include rolling stock that has seen better days, but recently a new order of bilevel cars in a design more akin to the ICE is intended to remedy this problem. Those are however limited to a top speed of only 160 km/h and due to being bilevel there isn't all that much space for luggage, which led critics to call them "regional trains with a white paintjob". As of 2016 no IC line has a frequency of more than once every two hours, but Deutsche Bahn has announced to change this in the foreseeable future.
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Introduced in the 1970s, the Intercity was in some sense a predecessor of the Intercity Express, but Intercitys are still available on marginal routes or routes between secondary cities. They stop somewhat more frequently, usually are limited to a top speed of 200 km/h and often still include rolling stock that has seen better days, but recently a new order of bilevel cars in a design more akin to the ICE is intended to remedy this problem. As of 2016 no IC line has a frequency of more than once every two hours, but Deutsche Bahn has announced to change this in the foreseeable future.

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Introduced in the 1970s, the Intercity was in some sense a predecessor of the Intercity Express, but Intercitys are still available on marginal routes or routes between secondary cities. They stop somewhat more frequently, usually are limited to a top speed of 200 km/h and often still include rolling stock that has seen better days, but recently a new order of bilevel cars in a design more akin to the ICE is intended to remedy this problem. Those are however limited to a top speed of only 160 km/h and due to being bilevel there isn't all that much space luggage, which led critics to call them "regional trains with a white paintjob". As of 2016 no IC line has a frequency of more than once every two hours, but Deutsche Bahn has announced to change this in the foreseeable future.
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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015.

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Deutsche Bahn (officially Deutsche Bahn AG) is the state owned railroad company that owns almost all of the German rail network and still runs most of the trains, despite attempts to introduce "competition" on the regional lines. [[NewerThanTheyThink Formed in 1994]] as a merger of Deutsche Bundesbahn (also abbreviated DB albeit with a slightly different logo) from West Germany and [[ArtifactTitle Deutsche Reichsbahn]] from East Germany. Deutsche Bahn runs the longest train network in Europe and carries about two ''billion'' passengers a year, [[GermanicEfficiency mostly without a hitch]]. Its flagship product is the Intercity Express or ICE[[note]]The letters are pronounced separately, even though tourists like to make fun of the "ice-train"[[/note]] that runs at speed up to 300 km/h [[note]]320km/h on the route to Paris almost immediately after leaving Germany[[/note]]. Germans love complaining about Deutsche Bahn being always late - despite the fact that the airlines are not a bit better and driving only very rarely is faster than even a train that is an hour late. They also love complaining about the prices and the - admittedly bizarre - price system with a number of discounts and surcharges that seem to make no apparent sense (though they are nothing compared to the British UsefulNotes/NationalRail). And unfavorably compare it to [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter either]] France - where trains stop less and are therefore faster - Switzerland - where almost every place is served by a train several times an hour and connections are timed for each other - or Japan - where, as Germans are quick to point out, getting the train on time is a question of personal honor for the operator. Deutsche Bundesbahn (the West German predecessor) ran a now (in)famous ad which said "Alle reden vom Wetter - wir nicht"[[note]]Everybody is talking about the weather - we aren't[[/note]], which is still present in the public consciousness of many Germans (and has been parodied to death and back) so naturally every time something weather related interferes with the smooth running of trains, [[NeverLiveItDown people will complain]] about this "false advertising" from decades ago, some will even claim [[NostalgiaFilter back in the day the railway actually lived up to its]] BadassBoast. Another point of contention is the traditionally horrible English of conductors and announcers (all announcements on long distance trains are made in German and English) famously summed up in the phrase "Sank u for dravelling wis Deutsche Bahn, goodbye". This was TruthInTelevision for a long time, mostly due to the fact that the East German railways had almost as many employees as their West German counterpart despite East Germany being about half as big in size and having only a third of the inhabitants of the West and it was virtually impossible to fire them before they would retire. However, twenty five years after reunification the Easterners that remain either took an English class or are close to retirement anyway. Deutsche Bahn was also increasingly aware of the PR disaster this had created and tried to have someone who actually speaks English make the announcements whenever possible. Deutsche Bahn also runs a couple of S-Bahn systems, most famously [[UsefulNotes/BerlinUandSBahn Berlin S-Bahn]], which they severely fucked up in the late 2000s due to cutting costs in order to appear desirable for a stock market flotation, which ultimately got cancelled by the same politicians that had been clamoring for it for decades. During most of its DorkAge, the CEO of Deutsche Bahn was one Hartmut Mehdorn, who made a number of controversial purchases in an attempt to turn Deutsche Bahn from a national rail company into "the greatest logisitics company in the world". Like many business decisions at Mehdorn's previous job, many of those purchases are now rolled back at substantial loss. Since Rüdiger Grube has taken over, many of the above complaints were actually addressed (Deutsche Bahn's Facebook team for instance is acknowledged to be pretty good at its job even by people who otherwise complain about every single aspect of train travel) but a law change that made long distance buses legal throughout Germany in 2012 has significantly eaten into Deutsche Bahn's profits, even resulting in a ''loss'' for fiscal year 2015.
2015. (the 2016 numbers were much better, though)



* The ICE4 to enter service with the schedule change in December 2017. Described as looking like Creator/AngelieJolie by then DB head Rüdiger Grube (it does have "eyelashes" on its snout if you squint real hard) with a top speed of "only" 250 km/h it is intended to replace the IC as well as the first two generations of ICE on routes where higher speeds are not possible or don't make that much of a time difference. The first ICE to regularly allow bicycles on board.

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* The ICE4 ICE 4 to enter service with the schedule change in December 2017. Described as looking like Creator/AngelieJolie Creator/AngelinaJolie by then DB head Rüdiger Grube (it does have "eyelashes" on its snout if you squint real hard) with a top speed of "only" 250 km/h it is intended to replace the IC as well as the first two generations of ICE on routes where higher speeds are not possible or don't make that much of a time difference. The first ICE to regularly allow bicycles on board.
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* The ICE4 to enter service with the schedule change in December 2017. Described as looking like Creator/AngelieJolie by then DB head Rüdiger Grube (it does have "eyelashes" on its snout if you squint real hard) with a top speed of "only" 250 km/h it is intended to replace the IC as well as the first two generations of ICE on routes where higher speeds are not possible or don't make that much of a time difference. The first ICE to regularly allow bicycles on board.
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* The ICE 1 - the first one to be built (1989-1993) and the only one ever involved in a deadly accident (the 1998 Enschede rail crash) - recognizable for its "bump" above the restaurant car

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* The ICE 1 - the first one to be built (1989-1993) and the only one ever involved in a deadly accident (the 1998 Enschede Eschede rail crash) - recognizable for its "bump" above the restaurant car
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* The ICE 1 - the first one to be built (1989-1993) and the only one ever involved in a deadly accident (the 1998 Eschede rail crash) - recognizable for its "bump" above the restaurant car

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* The ICE 1 - the first one to be built (1989-1993) and the only one ever involved in a deadly accident (the 1998 Eschede Enschede rail crash) - recognizable for its "bump" above the restaurant car

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