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** [[http://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/188827612430/concept-art-for-the-broodals-in-super-mario A pic from the artbook]] showcases prototype Broodals based on existing ''Mario'' species, who likely would've been used had the rabbit angle not come about.

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** [[http://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/188827612430/concept-art-for-the-broodals-in-super-mario A pic from the artbook]] showcases prototype Broodals based on existing ''Mario'' species, who likely would've been used had the rabbit angle not come about. Other variations included an all-female group acting as bridesmaids, and an ancient tribe of enemies.
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** [[http://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/188827612430/concept-art-for-the-broodals-in-super-mario A pic from the artbook]] showcases prototype Broodals based on existing ''Mario'' species, who likely would've been used had the rabbit angle not come about.
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** Bowser having his own Capture hat, complete with concept art where Peach gets turned into a fusion of herself and Bowser thanks to it.[[note]]This [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]
** Peach and Mario [[https://web.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1125685354281598&id=851561508360652&refid=52&__tn__=-R&_rdc=2&_rdr getting married]].

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** Bowser having his own Capture hat, complete with [[https://twitter.com/lalalei2001/status/1193684851091742720 concept art art]] where Peach gets turned into a fusion of herself and Bowser thanks to it.[[note]]This it, with this form being labeled "Koopeach."[[note]]This [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]
** Peach and Mario [[https://web.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1125685354281598&id=851561508360652&refid=52&__tn__=-R&_rdc=2&_rdr [[https://twitter.com/lalalei2001/status/1193686622845521920 actually getting married]].


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** [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar.

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** The New Donk City citizens were originally going to be cartoonish like Mario before the designers decided to make them look uncannily realistic. The designers also considered making the look 8-bit like in the original Donkey. After the realistic design was chosen, there was a scrapped concept that the citizens would chase after Mario for looking different.
** Humans from previous ''Mario'' games were planned to appear in New Donk City, such [[VideoGame/LuigisMansion Professor E. Gadd]] and
[[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar.


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** Alternate designs for Glydon included having him dress like a super hero or making him into a nervous flying squirrel.
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* SimilarlyNamedWorks: There was a [[https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=4987 fangame]] titled ''Super Mario Odyssey'' long before the official game was even announced. And to an extent, the Genesis bootleg "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijiQ26vKME Mario 4: A Space Odyssey]]" [[note]]which may just be taken from [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey the movie]][[/note]].

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* SimilarlyNamedWorks: There was a [[https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=4987 fangame]] titled ''Super Mario Odyssey'' long before the official game was even announced. And to an extent, the Genesis bootleg "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijiQ26vKME Mario 4: A Space Odyssey]]" ''VideoGame/Mario4ASpaceOdyssey'' [[note]]which may just be taken from [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey the movie]][[/note]].
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No longer the case; MK 8 D has now moved about a million copies more than this game


* KillerApp: Naturally. The game sold 2 million copies during its first weekend, and ended up selling over ''9 million copies'' in just two months. Meaning that '''over 60% of all Switch owners have the game'''. It also accomplished the rare feat of outselling the main ''VideoGame/MarioKart'' release on the same system (''VideoGame/MarioKart8 Deluxe'').

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* KillerApp: Naturally. The game sold 2 million copies during its first weekend, and ended up selling over ''9 million copies'' in just two months. Meaning that '''over 60% of all Switch owners have the game'''. It also accomplished the rare feat of outselling the main ''VideoGame/MarioKart'' release on the same system (''VideoGame/MarioKart8 Deluxe'').
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Not any reason to say 2 in particular. Both games are pretty linear in thier level design.


** Being a return to exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. Initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was going to be another game in the vein of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', ''3D Land'', or ''3D World''.

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** Being a return to exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. Initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was going to be another game in the vein of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', Galaxy'', ''3D Land'', or ''3D World''.
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** Being a return to exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. However, initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was going to be another [[http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg linear "course-clear" style game]] in the vein of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', ''3D Land'', or ''3D World''.

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** Being a return to exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. However, initial Initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was going to be another [[http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg linear "course-clear" style game]] game in the vein of ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', ''3D Land'', or ''3D World''.
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* PropRecycling: It's not hard to tell that the stone vegetables [[spoiler:on the Dark Side of the moon]] reuse models from the polygonal food in the Luncheon Kingdom.
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* TheCastShowoff: Creator/KateHiggins was trained under a jazz musician. Rather appropriate for the singing voice of Pauline, who sings the rather jazzy "Jump Up, Super Star."

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* TheCastShowoff: Creator/KateHiggins was trained under a jazz musician.musician Bob Richardson. Rather appropriate for the singing voice of Pauline, who sings the rather jazzy "Jump Up, Super Star."
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* SimilarlyNamedWorks: There was a fangame titled ''Super Mario Odyssey'' long before the official game was even announced. And to an extent, the Genesis bootleg "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijiQ26vKME Mario 4: A Space Odyssey]]" [[note]]which may just be taken from [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey the movie]][[/note]].

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* SimilarlyNamedWorks: There was a fangame [[https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=4987 fangame]] titled ''Super Mario Odyssey'' long before the official game was even announced. And to an extent, the Genesis bootleg "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijiQ26vKME Mario 4: A Space Odyssey]]" [[note]]which may just be taken from [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey the movie]][[/note]].
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** Peach and Mario [[https://web.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1125685354281598&id=851561508360652&refid=52&__tn__=-R&_rdc=2&_rdr getting married]].

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to: different outfits for Mario, New Donk City not based on the ''Donkey Kong'' series but rather ''Mario''-themed, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.[[note]]This [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]

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New Donk City not based on the ''Donkey Kong'' series but rather ''Mario''-themed, ''Mario''-themed.
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Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.hat, complete with concept art where Peach gets turned into a fusion of herself and Bowser thanks to it.[[note]]This [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to: different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.[[note]]This [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to: different outfits for Mario, New Donk City not based on the ''Donkey Kong'' series but rather ''Mario''-themed, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.[[note]]This [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.[[note]]This [[OlderThanTheyThink was made before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, to: different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.[[note]]This [[OlderThanTheyThink [[HilariousInHindsight was made way before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.[[note]]This [[OlderThanTheyThink was made before]] the [[MemeticMutation Bowsette meme]] popped up after the September 2018 Nintendo Direct.[[/note]]
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and [[HilariousInHindsight a]] [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU Bowser-themed]] [[MemeticMutation Princess Peach]].

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and [[HilariousInHindsight a]] [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU Bowser-themed]] [[MemeticMutation Princess Peach]].Bowser having his own Capture hat that he uses on Peach.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The book ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey'' reveals concept art for several unused elements in the game. These include, but are not limited to, different outfits for Mario, [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy Rosalina]] playing acoustic guitar, and [[HilariousInHindsight a]] [[VideoGame/NewSuperMarioBrosU Bowser-themed]] [[MemeticMutation Princess Peach]].
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** With ''VideoGame/SonicForces,'' fittingly enough. Both were released in the fourth quarter of the year (within a week of each other, even: ''Odyssey'' was released on October 27 worldwide, and ''Forces'' was released on November 7 in the US and November 9 overseas), and both aimed to take their respective series in a bold new direction. However, ''Odyssey'' ended up being much-better received than ''Forces'' in the long run.

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** With ''VideoGame/SonicForces,'' fittingly enough. Both were released in the fourth quarter of the year (within a week of each other, even: ''Odyssey'' was released on October 27 worldwide, and ''Forces'' was released on November 7 in the US and November 9 overseas), and both aimed to take their respective series in a bold new direction. However, ''Odyssey'' ended up being much-better received than ''Forces'' in the long run.



* This is the first mainline ''Super Mario'' game in years since ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' to feature actual voice acted dialogue, although in most cases it's gibberish with hints of the character's names thrown in, almost as if it's [[SpeakingSimlish another language]] and they are reserved for cutscenes. Mario and Peach are arguably the only ones with noticeable actual words besides Pauline and the announcer in the New Donk City festival event.

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* This is the first mainline ''Super Mario'' game in years since ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' to feature actual voice acted dialogue, although in most cases it's gibberish with hints of the character's names thrown in, almost as if it's [[SpeakingSimlish another language]] and they are reserved for cutscenes.similar to many video games of TheNineties. Mario and Peach are arguably the only ones with noticeable actual words besides Pauline and the announcer in the New Donk City festival event.
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Considering that officially published material from Nintendo confirms that Mario hailed from Brooklyn, Odyssey's citing his origin to the Metro Kingdom would definitely be a retcon rather than a jossed fan theory. As such, it should not be listed as simply a jossed fan theory.


** The Metro Kingdom is revealed to be the location of the original arcade games, tearing down the {{Fanon}} that Mario was transported to and grew up in real-world Brooklyn.
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** With ''VideoGame/SonicForces,'' fittingly enough. Both are set to be released in the fourth quarter of the year (within a week of each other, even: ''Odyssey'' was released on October 27 worldwide, and ''Forces'' was released on November 7 in the US and November 9 overseas), and both aim to take their respective series in a bold new direction.

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** With ''VideoGame/SonicForces,'' fittingly enough. Both are set to be were released in the fourth quarter of the year (within a week of each other, even: ''Odyssey'' was released on October 27 worldwide, and ''Forces'' was released on November 7 in the US and November 9 overseas), and both aim aimed to take their respective series in a bold new direction.direction. However, ''Odyssey'' ended up being much-better received than ''Forces'' in the long run.



** In a rematch of the battle between ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' and ''VideoGame/{{Knack}}'' -- which surprisingly resulted in ''Knack'' upsetting the odds and just barely outselling ''3D World'' for a scant few months in the UK, albeit with the worldwide sales of the latter game (5.75 million) ultimately demolishing those of the former (1 million+) in the long run despite being on [[UsefulNotes/WiiU Nintendo's worst selling home console]] -- this game was released a month or so after ''Knack II''. This time, the result of the duel wasn't even close, with some estimates putting this game at selling ''twenty times'' the lifetimes sales of ''Knack II'' in its opening weekend alone.

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** In a rematch of the battle between ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' and ''VideoGame/{{Knack}}'' -- which surprisingly resulted in ''Knack'' upsetting the odds and just barely outselling ''3D World'' for a scant few months in the UK, albeit with the worldwide sales of the latter game (5.75 million) ultimately demolishing those of the former (1 million+) in the long run despite being on [[UsefulNotes/WiiU Nintendo's worst selling home console]] -- this game was released a month or so after ''Knack II''. This time, the result of the duel wasn't even close, with some estimates putting this game at selling ''twenty times'' the lifetimes lifetime sales of ''Knack II'' in its opening weekend alone.



** Being a return to exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. Initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was going to be another [[http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg linear "course-clear" style game]] in the vain of Super Mario Galaxy 2 or 3D World.

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** Being a return to exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. Initial However, initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was going to be another [[http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg linear "course-clear" style game]] in the vain vein of Super ''Super Mario Galaxy 2 2'', ''3D Land'', or 3D World.''3D World''.



** The fact that there are realistic humans in the game that contrast heavily to the short, cartoony Mario led many to theorize that Mario wasn't human at all, just humanoid (helped by supplementary material released long before this game, apparently, claiming that Mario's race as Homo Nintendonus, not Homo Sapiens). But no, that's not the case, a post E3 2017 interview would confirm that Mario was indeed human. As a matter of fact, the inhabitants of New Donk City are never even called "human," they're "New Donkers"

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** The fact that there are realistic humans in the game that contrast heavily to the short, cartoony Mario led many to theorize that Mario wasn't human at all, just humanoid (helped by supplementary material released long before this game, apparently, claiming that Mario's race as Homo Nintendonus, not Homo Sapiens). But no, that's not the case, a post E3 2017 interview would confirm that Mario was indeed human. As a matter of fact, the inhabitants of New Donk City are never even called "human," they're "New Donkers"Donkers".



** This isn't the first Nintendo franchise to feature a character named [[Franchise/{{Kirby}} Cappy]]. Or even [[WesternAnimation/{{Robots}} the first]] [[WesternAnimation/SaltysLighthouse anything]] [[Anime/{{Hamtaro}} to do so]].

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** This isn't the first Nintendo franchise to feature a character named [[Franchise/{{Kirby}} Cappy]]. Or Cappy]], or even [[WesternAnimation/{{Robots}} the first]] [[WesternAnimation/SaltysLighthouse anything]] [[Anime/{{Hamtaro}} to do so]].
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** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9rie_Bonneton This French actress]] has the surname Bonneton, Cappy's hometown.

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** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9rie_Bonneton org/wiki/Valérie_Bonneton This French actress]] has the surname Bonneton, Cappy's hometown.
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** This isn't the first Nintendo franchise to feature a character named [[Franchise/{{Kirby}} Cappy]]. Or even [[WesternAnimation/{{Robots}} the first]] [[WesternAnimation/SaltysLighthouse anything]] [[Anime/{{Hamtaro}} to do so]].
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9rie_Bonneton This French actress]] has the surname Bonneton, Cappy's hometown.
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** In the months leading up to the game's release, many fans theorized that New Donk City was the setting of the original ''Donkey Kong'' (and the original ''Mario Bros.''), that ended up being exactly the case.
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** Being a return to exploration-based 3D platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. Initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was just another 3D World-type game.

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** Being a return to exploration-based 3D exploration-based, collectathon platforming was a thing a lot of people guessed. Initial teaser footage was very vague on whether this was the case, or if it was just going to be another [[http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg linear "course-clear" style game]] in the vain of Super Mario Galaxy 2 or 3D World-type game.World.
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** In a rematch of the battle between ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' and ''VideoGame/{{Knack}}'' -- which surprisingly resulted in ''Knack'' upsetting the odds and outselling ''3D World'' for a scant few months in the UK, albeit with the worldwide sales of the latter game (5.75 million LTD) ultimately demolishing those of the former (1 million+) in the long run despite being on [[UsefulNotes/WiiU Nintendo's worst selling home console]] -- this game was released a month or so after ''Knack II''. This time, the result of the duel wasn't even close, with some estimates putting this game at selling ''twenty times'' the lifetimes sales of ''Knack II'' in its opening weekend alone.

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** In a rematch of the battle between ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' and ''VideoGame/{{Knack}}'' -- which surprisingly resulted in ''Knack'' upsetting the odds and just barely outselling ''3D World'' for a scant few months in the UK, albeit with the worldwide sales of the latter game (5.75 million LTD) million) ultimately demolishing those of the former (1 million+) in the long run despite being on [[UsefulNotes/WiiU Nintendo's worst selling home console]] -- this game was released a month or so after ''Knack II''. This time, the result of the duel wasn't even close, with some estimates putting this game at selling ''twenty times'' the lifetimes sales of ''Knack II'' in its opening weekend alone.
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** In a rematch of the battle between ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' and ''VideoGame/{{Knack}}'' -- which famously resulted in ''Knack'' upsetting the odds and outselling ''3D World'' for a few months, albeit with the latter ultimately selling a lot more in the long run -- this game was released a month or so after ''Knack II''. This time, the result of the duel wasn't even close, with some estimates putting this game at selling ''twenty times'' the lifetimes sales of ''Knack II'' in its opening weekend alone.

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** In a rematch of the battle between ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' and ''VideoGame/{{Knack}}'' -- which famously surprisingly resulted in ''Knack'' upsetting the odds and outselling ''3D World'' for a scant few months, months in the UK, albeit with the worldwide sales of the latter game (5.75 million LTD) ultimately selling a lot more demolishing those of the former (1 million+) in the long run despite being on [[UsefulNotes/WiiU Nintendo's worst selling home console]] -- this game was released a month or so after ''Knack II''. This time, the result of the duel wasn't even close, with some estimates putting this game at selling ''twenty times'' the lifetimes sales of ''Knack II'' in its opening weekend alone.
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** The Broodals [[WesternAnimation/{{Rango}} have to believe in something]].

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** Luigi being part of an update. Fans were guessing that the [[spoiler:infamous castle courtyard from ''Super Mario 64'' being in the Mushroom Kingdom]] was hinting at something pertaining to him.



** Luigi being part of an update. Fans were guessing that the [[spoiler:infamous castle courtyard from ''Super Mario 64'' being in the Mushroom Kingdom]] was hinting at something pertaining to him.

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