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* CreatorBacklash: Seeb Levermann says he doesn't consider ''Testimonium A.D.'' and the whole pre-''Vale'' era of the band to be "real" Orden Ogan, and said in the 2016 ''Book of Ogan'' documentary that "[we] chose to keep calling ourselves 'Orden Ogan' when we released Vale more as a tribute to our old days than as a continuation [of that band.]".
** Despite this, a decent number of songs from ''Testimonium A.D.'' and earlier demo tapes made their way onto later records either in whole or in part, with "The Mystic Symphony" and "Angels War" being the most notable examples.



* OldShame: Seeb Levermann says he doesn't consider ''Testimonium A.D.'' and the whole pre-''Vale'' era of the band to be "real" Orden Ogan, and said in the 2016 ''Book of Ogan'' documentary that "[we] chose to keep calling ourselves 'Orden Ogan' when we released Vale more as a tribute to our old days than as a continuation [of that band.]".
** Despite this, a decent number of songs from ''Testimonium A.D.'' and earlier demo tapes made their way onto later records either in whole or in part, with "The Mystic Symphony" and "Angels War" being the most notable examples.
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* DistancedFromCurrentEvents: The song [[https://youtu.be/WMW3FuE38Fk "December"]], written in 2019, was supposed to be part of the ''Final Days'', released in 2021, as one of the variations of TheEndOFTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. The song describes a biological weapon leaking from a lab in "the east" and fake news crippling the response. [[LifeImitatesArt Eerily prophetic, right?]][[note]]The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_theory "lab leak"]] was a well-known, but thoroughly debunked, conspiracy theory about the origin of [=SARS-CoV-2=].[[/note]] The band thought so, too, and [[CutSong cut it from the original version of the album]] out of respect for the victims of the real-life UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, putting it on the ''Orden Ogan and Friends'' rerelease in October 2022.

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* DistancedFromCurrentEvents: The song [[https://youtu.be/WMW3FuE38Fk "December"]], written in 2019, was supposed to be part of the ''Final Days'', Days'' album, released in 2021, as one of the variations of TheEndOFTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. The song describes a biological weapon leaking from a lab in "the east" and fake news crippling the response. [[LifeImitatesArt Eerily prophetic, right?]][[note]]The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_theory "lab leak"]] was a well-known, but thoroughly debunked, conspiracy theory about the origin of [=SARS-CoV-2=].[[/note]] The band thought so, too, and [[CutSong cut it from the original version of the album]] out of respect for the victims of the real-life UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, putting it on the ''Orden Ogan and Friends'' rerelease in October 2022.
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* DistancedFromCurrentEvents: The song [[https://youtu.be/WMW3FuE38Fk "December"]], written in 2019, was supposed to be part of the ''Final Days'', released in 2021, as one of the variations of TheEndOFTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. The song describes a biological weapon leaking from a lab in "the east" and fake news crippling the response. [[LifeImitatesArt Eerily prophetic, right?]][[note]]The "lab leak" was a well-known, but thoroughly debunked, conspiracy theory about the origin of [=SARS-CoV-2=].[[/note]] The band thought so, too, and [[CutSong cut it from the original version of the album]] out of respect for the victims of the real-life UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, putting it on the ''Orden Ogan and Friends'' rerelease in October 2022.

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* DistancedFromCurrentEvents: The song [[https://youtu.be/WMW3FuE38Fk "December"]], written in 2019, was supposed to be part of the ''Final Days'', released in 2021, as one of the variations of TheEndOFTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. The song describes a biological weapon leaking from a lab in "the east" and fake news crippling the response. [[LifeImitatesArt Eerily prophetic, right?]][[note]]The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_theory "lab leak" leak"]] was a well-known, but thoroughly debunked, conspiracy theory about the origin of [=SARS-CoV-2=].[[/note]] The band thought so, too, and [[CutSong cut it from the original version of the album]] out of respect for the victims of the real-life UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, putting it on the ''Orden Ogan and Friends'' rerelease in October 2022.
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* DistancedFromCurrentEvents: The song [[https://youtu.be/WMW3FuE38Fk "December"]], written in 2019, was supposed to be part of the ''Final Days'', released in 2021, as one of the variations of TheEndOFTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. The song describes a biological weapon leaking from a lab in "the east" and fake news crippling the response. [[LifeImitatesArt Eerily prophetic, right?]][[note]]The "lab leak" was a well-known, but thoroughly debunked, conspiracy theory about the origin of [=SARS-CoV-2=].[[/note]] The band thought so, too, and [[CutSong cut it from the original version of the album]] out of respect for the victims of the real-life UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, putting it on the ''Orden Ogan and Friends'' rerelease in October 2022.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Some songs featured on the band's modern records were actually written and preformed as far back as their formation in the 90s, most prominently "Angels War" and "The Mystic Symphony" as mentioned above. "Requiem" from ''Easton Hope'' also began under WorkingTitle "...And My Tears Keep Falling".

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* OlderThanTheyThink: Some songs featured on the band's modern records were actually written and preformed as far back as their formation in the 90s, most prominently "Angels War" and "The Mystic Symphony" as mentioned above. "Requiem" from ''Easton Hope'' also began under the WorkingTitle "...And My Tears Keep Falling".
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* LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition: Almost every album since ''Vale'' has had a boxed collector's release. The one for ''Ravenhead'' notably featured an intricately sculpted raven bust with glow-in-the-dark eyes, along with an 8-bit remix of "F.E.V.E.R." and a folk version of "To The End".

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* LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition: Almost every album since ''Vale'' has had a boxed collector's release. The one for ''Ravenhead'' notably featured an intricately sculpted raven bust with glow-in-the-dark eyes, along with an 8-bit remix of "F.E.V.E.R." and a folk version of "To The End". The ones for ''Vale'' and ''To the End'' themselves had bonus comics that expanded on many chapters of the Alister Vale story not covered by the music.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Likely due to OldShame as mentioned below, pretty much everything released by the band before ''Vale'' is this; their self-released debut album, ''Testimonium A.D.'', has fallen long out of print, as have their three full-length demos from the 90s. Other than the four of seven ''Testimonium'' songs included on disc 2 of the ''Book of Ogan'' boxset and a few scattered [=YouTube=] uploads, good luck finding them.
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* WorkingTitle: The ballad "Requiem" from the ''Easton Hope'' album began under the title "...And My Tears Keep Falling" and featured different lyrics.

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* WorkingTitle: The ballad OlderThanTheyThink: Some songs featured on the band's modern records were actually written and preformed as far back as their formation in the 90s, most prominently "Angels War" and "The Mystic Symphony" as mentioned above. "Requiem" from the ''Easton Hope'' album also began under the title WorkingTitle "...And My Tears Keep Falling" and featured different lyrics.Falling".
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* WorkingTitle: The ballad "Requiem" from the ''Easton Hope'' album began under the title "...And My Tears Keep Falling" with different lyrics.

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* WorkingTitle: The ballad "Requiem" from the ''Easton Hope'' album began under the title "...And My Tears Keep Falling" with and featured different lyrics.
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* OldShame: Seeb Levermann says he doesn't consider ''Testimonium A.D.'' and the whole pre-''Vale'' era of the band to be "real" Orden Ogan, and said in the 2016 ''Book of Ogan'' documentary that "[we] chose to call ourselves 'Orden Ogan' when we released Vale more as a tribute to our old days than as a continuation [of that band.]".

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* OldShame: Seeb Levermann says he doesn't consider ''Testimonium A.D.'' and the whole pre-''Vale'' era of the band to be "real" Orden Ogan, and said in the 2016 ''Book of Ogan'' documentary that "[we] chose to call keep calling ourselves 'Orden Ogan' when we released Vale more as a tribute to our old days than as a continuation [of that band.]".
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* The band released a CoverVersion of Music/RunningWild's "The Battle of Waterloo" for ''[=ReUnation=] – A Tribute to Running Wild''.

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* LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition: Almost every album since ''Vale'' has had a boxed collector's release. The one for ''Ravenhead'' notably featured an intricately sculpted raven bust with glow-in-the-dark eyes, along with an 8-bit remix of "F.E.V.E.R." and a folk version of "To The End".
* OldShame: Seeb Levermann says he doesn't consider ''Testimonium A.D.'' and the whole pre-''Vale'' era of the
band to be "real" Orden Ogan, and said in the 2016 ''Book of Ogan'' documentary that "[we] chose to call ourselves 'Orden Ogan' when we released Vale more as a CoverVersion tribute to our old days than as a continuation [of that band.]".
** Despite this, a decent number
of Music/RunningWild's songs from ''Testimonium A.D.'' and earlier demo tapes made their way onto later records either in whole or in part, with "The Battle of Waterloo" for ''[=ReUnation=] – A Tribute to Running Wild''.Mystic Symphony" and "Angels War" being the most notable examples.
* WorkingTitle: The ballad "Requiem" from the ''Easton Hope'' album began under the title "...And My Tears Keep Falling" with different lyrics.
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* The band released a CoverVersion of Music/RunningWild's "The Battle of Waterloo" for ''[=ReUnation=] – A Tribute to Running Wild''.

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