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* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example--you wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips, the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy, to direct a DC film, nor such a dramatic one. [[Film/WarDogs This hasn't been the first time he'd direct against type, though]].
* TheOtherDarrin: In Latin America, this film marks the first time ComicBook/TheJoker is not voiced by Creator/JoseAntonioMacias, his usual voice actor since ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', but instead by Mauricio Perez.
* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" / "white male resentment" violence and mass shootings, and it escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity That constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers]] to see what riled up the media so badly.

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* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example--you wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips, the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy, to direct a DC film, nor such a dramatic one. [[Film/WarDogs This hasn't been the first time he'd direct against type, though]].
* TheOtherDarrin: In Latin America, this film marks the first time ComicBook/TheJoker is not voiced by Creator/JoseAntonioMacias, his Creator/JoseAntonioMacias--his usual voice actor since ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', but ''Film/TheDarkKnight''--but instead by Mauricio Perez.
* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example. You wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips--the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy--to direct a DC film, let alone such a dramatic one. [[Film/WarDogs This isn't the first time he's directed against type, though]].
* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, it was attacked endlessly by a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that who claimed its portrayal as of the Joker would inspire "incel" / "white male resentment" violence and mass shootings, and it shootings. This escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released release cancelled. As a result of the outcry outcry, many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity That constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers]] to see what had riled up the media so badly.
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** The scenes of Arthur dancing while in his Joker persona were completely improvised by Phoenix, leading to some of the most memorable quiet moments in the film.

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** The scenes scene of Arthur dancing while in the bathroom [[spoiler:after his Joker persona were first three kills]] was completely improvised by Phoenix, leading to some one of the most memorable quiet moments in the film.

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* ThrowItIn: [[spoiler: During the fateful confrontation between Arthur and Murray, Phoenix was suppose to say "What do you get, when you cross a mentally ill loner, with a ''system''...", but instead said "With a '''''society'''''..."]]. Can also count as a [[spoiler: AscendedMeme]] for all the jokes involving [[spoiler: "society"]].

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** The scenes of Arthur dancing while in his Joker persona were completely improvised by Phoenix, leading to some of the most memorable quiet moments in the film.
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the fateful confrontation between Arthur and Murray, Phoenix was suppose to say "What do you get, when you cross a mentally ill loner, with a ''system''...", but instead said "With a '''''society'''''..."]]. Can also count as a [[spoiler: AscendedMeme]] an AscendedMeme for all the jokes involving [[spoiler: "society"]].
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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" violence and mass shootings, and it escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity That constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers]] to see what riled up the media so badly.

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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" / "white male resentment" violence and mass shootings, and it escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity That constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers]] to see what riled up the media so badly.
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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" violence and mass shootings, and it escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. The constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers to see what riled up the media so badly.

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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" violence and mass shootings, and it escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. The [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity That constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers moviegoers]] to see what riled up the media so badly.
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* ThrowItIn: [[spoiler: During the fateful confrontation between Arthur and Murray, Phoenix was suppose to say "What do you get, when you cross a mentally ill loner, with a ''system''...", but instead said "With a '''''society'''''..."]]. Can also count as a [[spoiler: AscendedMeme]] for all the jokes involving [[spoiler: "society"]].
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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" violence and mass shootings, and escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros, tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. The constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers to see what riled up the media so badly.

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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, a number of American film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" violence and mass shootings, and it escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros, Bros., tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. The constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers to see what riled up the media so badly.
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* ApprovalOfGod: Joker veteran Creator/MarkHamill expressed his utmost praise for the film on social media.
-->'''Mark Hamill''' ''(via Instagram)''''':''' "The awesome Joaquin Phoenix, Todd Phillips and Scott Silver brilliantly reimagine the character as never seen before! 2 thumbs up from that old-school, comic book version... me."
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* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example--you wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips, the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy, to direct a DC film. [[Film/WarDogs This hasn't been the first time he'd direct against type, though]].

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* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example--you wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips, the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy, to direct a DC film.film, nor such a dramatic one. [[Film/WarDogs This hasn't been the first time he'd direct against type, though]].
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* StreisandEffect: In the months leading up to the film's wide release, film critics, journalists, and bloggers endlessly attacked the film, claiming that its portrayal as the Joker would inspire "incel" violence and mass shootings, and escalated to the point where they even tried to get the film's released cancelled. As a result the outcry many police forces and even the US Army were put on alert on release day, and Warner Bros, tired of the endless attacks from the press, barred journalists from attending the red carpet premiere. The constant negative publicity and drama only served to increase interest among moviegoers to see what riled up the media so badly.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Joaquin Phoenix stated that he always wanted to do a character study of a comic book villain but didn't want the strings that come attached with being involved in a franchise like the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse (as he turned down the title role for ''Film/DoctorStrange2016''). When he heard that Creator/WarnerBrothers (which owns Creator/DCComics and all related media) was looking to make a lower budget standalone film that focused on ComicBook/TheJoker, he became interested in the project since it was so similar to his previous idea.

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* DoingItForTheArt: Joaquin Phoenix stated that he always wanted to do a character study of a comic book villain superhero or supervillain, but didn't want the strings that come attached with being involved in a franchise like the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse (as he turned down the title role for ''Film/DoctorStrange2016''). When he heard that Creator/WarnerBrothers (which owns Creator/DCComics and all related media) was looking to make a lower budget standalone film that focused on ComicBook/TheJoker, he became interested in the project since it was so similar to his previous idea.
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** According to the aforementioned ContentLeak, an earlier version of the script had a different story arc in mind for Sophie. [[spoiler:Arthur originally ''did'' go out with her a few times, but she only did so out of pity, and she was romantically-involved with someone else. When Arthur discovered this, he went on an extended, borderline-misogynistic rant to her face, before telling her to watch Murray Franklin's show on the fateful night.]]
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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it. People who saw a test screening about a month after the leak also describe the script as being accurate, and it was verified when the film released -- albeit with some changes.

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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it. People who saw a test screening about a month after the leak also describe the script as being accurate, and draft. Whatever it was, it was verified when the film released -- albeit with some changes.
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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it. People who saw a test screening about a month after the leak also describe the script as being accurate.

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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it. People who saw a test screening about a month after the leak also describe the script as being accurate.accurate, and it was verified when the film released -- albeit with some changes.

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* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example--you wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips, the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy, to direct a DC film. [[Film/WarDogs This hasn't been the first time he'd direct against type, though.]]

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* PlayingAgainstType: A directing example--you wouldn't expect someone like Todd Phillips, the man who brought us ''Film/TheHangover'' trilogy, to direct a DC film. [[Film/WarDogs This hasn't been the first time he'd direct against type, though.]]though]].
* TheOtherDarrin: In Latin America, this film marks the first time ComicBook/TheJoker is not voiced by Creator/JoseAntonioMacias, his usual voice actor since ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', but instead by Mauricio Perez.
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** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the role of Sophie Dumond before the casting of Creator/ZazieBeetz. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''Film/BirdsOfPrey2020''.

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** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the role of Sophie Dumond before the casting of Creator/ZazieBeetz. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''Film/BirdsOfPrey2020''.''Film/{{Birds of Prey|2020}}''.



** In a case of what could ''not'' have been, Phoenix had been in talks with Creator/MarvelStudios to play the titular ''[[Film/DoctorStrange2016 Doctor Strange]]'' after Creator/BenedictCumberbatch initially turned down the part due to scheduling conflicts, but backed out due to his reluctance to take on a multi-picture deal. Presumably, had he not been so reluctant, we wouldn't be getting this film (or at the very least, someone else would be taking on the role).

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** In a case of what could ''not'' have been, Phoenix had been in talks with Creator/MarvelStudios to play the titular ''[[Film/DoctorStrange2016 Doctor Strange]]'' ''Film/{{Doctor Strange|2016}}'' after Creator/BenedictCumberbatch initially turned down the part due to scheduling conflicts, but backed out due to his reluctance to take on a multi-picture deal. Presumably, had he not been so reluctant, we wouldn't be getting this film (or at the very least, someone else would be taking on the role).

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* DyeingForYourArt: Creator/JoaquinPhoenix lost a lot of weight for his role -- 52 pounds, according to the director. It was so serious that filming could only be done once, with no opportunity for reshoots.

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* DyeingForYourArt: Creator/JoaquinPhoenix lost a lot of weight for his role -- 52 pounds, according to the director. It was so serious that filming could only be done once, with no opportunity for reshoots. As noted below, Phoenix did not want to do this.


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** Joaquin Phoenix wanted to gain weight for the role, having lost too much weight for previous roles and also wanted to look like how a person like Fleck would really look like. Todd Phillips overruled him and Phoenix reluctantly lost weight.
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** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the role of Sophie Dumond before the casting of Creator/ZazieBeetz. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''[[Film/BirdsOfPrey2020 Birds of Prey]]''.

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** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the role of Sophie Dumond before the casting of Creator/ZazieBeetz. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''[[Film/BirdsOfPrey2020 Birds of Prey]]''.''Film/BirdsOfPrey2020''.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Joaquin Phoenix stated that he always wanted to do a character study of a comic book villain but didn't want the strings that come attached with being involved in a franchise like the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse (as he turned down the title role for ''Film/DoctorStrange''). When he heard that Creator/WarnerBrothers (which owns Creator/DCComics and all related media) was looking to make a lower budget standalone film that focused on ComicBook/TheJoker, he became interested in the project since it was so similar to his previous idea.

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* DoingItForTheArt: Joaquin Phoenix stated that he always wanted to do a character study of a comic book villain but didn't want the strings that come attached with being involved in a franchise like the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse (as he turned down the title role for ''Film/DoctorStrange'').''Film/DoctorStrange2016''). When he heard that Creator/WarnerBrothers (which owns Creator/DCComics and all related media) was looking to make a lower budget standalone film that focused on ComicBook/TheJoker, he became interested in the project since it was so similar to his previous idea.
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** Todd Phillips pitched the movie as having a new label for DC Films that specifically focused on DarkerAndEdgier, non-canon stories to their shared universe, but Warner Bros. deemed that it was too early to think about doing that and released it under the standard DC Films banner instead.
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* DoingItForTheArt: Joaquin Phoenix stated that he always wanted to do a character study of a comic book villain but didn't want the strings that come attached with being involved in a franchise like the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse or Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse. When he heard that Creator/WarnerBrothers (which owns Creator/DCComics and all related media) was looking to make a lower budget standalone film that focused on ComicBook/TheJoker, he became interested in the project since it was so similar to his previous idea.
* DyeingForYourArt: Creator/JoaquinPhoenix lost a lot of weight for his role. It was so serious that filming could only be done once, with no opportunity for reshoots.

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* DoingItForTheArt: Joaquin Phoenix stated that he always wanted to do a character study of a comic book villain but didn't want the strings that come attached with being involved in a franchise like the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse or Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse.(as he turned down the title role for ''Film/DoctorStrange''). When he heard that Creator/WarnerBrothers (which owns Creator/DCComics and all related media) was looking to make a lower budget standalone film that focused on ComicBook/TheJoker, he became interested in the project since it was so similar to his previous idea.
* DyeingForYourArt: Creator/JoaquinPhoenix lost a lot of weight for his role.role -- 52 pounds, according to the director. It was so serious that filming could only be done once, with no opportunity for reshoots.

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* DyeingForYourArt: Creator/JoaquinPhoenix lost a lot of weight for his role. It was so serious that filming could only be done once, with no opportunity for reshoots. Todd Phillips had to write the script during production.

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* DyeingForYourArt: Creator/JoaquinPhoenix lost a lot of weight for his role. It was so serious that filming could only be done once, with no opportunity for reshoots. Todd Phillips had to write the script during production.


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* WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants: Todd Phillips had to write the script during production.
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** Creator/FrancesMcDormand was offered the role of Penny Fleck before the casting of Creator/FrancesConroy.
** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the part of Sophie Dumond before Creator/ZazieBeetz was cast. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''[[Film/BirdsOfPrey2020 Birds of Prey]]''.

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** Creator/FrancesMcDormand was offered the role of Penny Fleck before the casting of Creator/FrancesConroy.
** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the part role of Sophie Dumond before Creator/ZazieBeetz was cast. the casting of Creator/ZazieBeetz. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''[[Film/BirdsOfPrey2020 Birds of Prey]]''.Prey]]''.
** Creator/FrancesMcDormand was offered the part of Penny Fleck before Creator/FrancesConroy was cast.

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** Creator/AlecBaldwin and Creator/ViggoMortensen were approached for the part of Thomas Wayne before Creator/BrettCullen was cast. The former turned down the offer due to scheduling commitments to ''Literature/MotherlessBrooklyn''.
** Creator/FrancesMcDormand turned down the role of Arthur's mother before the casting of Creator/FrancesConroy.
** In a case of what could ''not'' have been, Phoenix had been in talks with Marvel to play the titular ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' after Creator/BenedictCumberbatch initially turned down the part due to scheduling conflicts, but ultimately backed out due to his reluctance to take on a multi-picture deal. Presumably, had he not been so reluctant, we wouldn't be getting this film (or at the very least, someone else would be taking on the role).

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** Creator/AlecBaldwin and Creator/ViggoMortensen were approached for the part of Thomas Wayne before Creator/BrettCullen was cast. The former Baldwin turned down the offer due to scheduling commitments to ''Literature/MotherlessBrooklyn''.
** Creator/FrancesMcDormand turned down was offered the role of Arthur's mother Penny Fleck before the casting of Creator/FrancesConroy.
** Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/GuguMbathaRaw, Creator/DakotaJohnson, [[Series/HowToGetAwayWithMurder Aja Naomi King]], and Creator/MaryElizabethWinstead were considered for the part of Sophie Dumond before Creator/ZazieBeetz was cast. Winstead would later go on to portray [[Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] in ''[[Film/BirdsOfPrey2020 Birds of Prey]]''.
** In a case of what could ''not'' have been, Phoenix had been in talks with Marvel Creator/MarvelStudios to play the titular ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' ''[[Film/DoctorStrange2016 Doctor Strange]]'' after Creator/BenedictCumberbatch initially turned down the part due to scheduling conflicts, but ultimately backed out due to his reluctance to take on a multi-picture deal. Presumably, had he not been so reluctant, we wouldn't be getting this film (or at the very least, someone else would be taking on the role).
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Todd Phillips said he didn't base the film on any comic book.


* InspirationForTheWork: The filmmakers cite ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' and the Creator/MartinScorsese films ''Film/TaxiDriver'', ''Film/RagingBull'' and ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' as an influence on the film.

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* InspirationForTheWork: The filmmakers cite ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' and cited the Creator/MartinScorsese films ''Film/TaxiDriver'', ''Film/RagingBull'' and ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' as an influence influences on the film.
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** Creator/MarcMaron, who has a rather well-documented dislike of comic book movies, said he agreed to take part in the film because getting a chance to work with Creator/RobertDeNiro and Joaquin Phoenix was too big an opportunity to pass up.

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** Creator/MarcMaron, Marc Maron, who has a rather well-documented dislike of comic book movies, said he agreed to take part in the film because getting a chance to work with Creator/RobertDeNiro and Joaquin Phoenix was too big an opportunity to pass up.
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** Marc Maron, who has a rather well-documented dislike of comic book movies, said he agreed to take part in the film because getting a chance to work with Robert De Niro and Joaquin Phoenix was too big an opportunity to pass up.

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** Marc Maron, Creator/MarcMaron, who has a rather well-documented dislike of comic book movies, said he agreed to take part in the film because getting a chance to work with Robert De Niro Creator/RobertDeNiro and Joaquin Phoenix was too big an opportunity to pass up.
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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it.

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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it. People who saw a test screening about a month after the leak also describe the script as being accurate.
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* ContentLeak: A version of the script leaked in mid-May 2019. It's unclear if it's the shooting script or a draft but there are scenes from the trailer in it.
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* InspirationForTheWork: The filmmakers cite ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' and the Creator/MartinScorsese films ''Film/TaxiDriver'', ''Film/RagingBull'' and ''Film/TheKingOfComedy as an influence on the film.

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* InspirationForTheWork: The filmmakers cite ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' and the Creator/MartinScorsese films ''Film/TaxiDriver'', ''Film/RagingBull'' and ''Film/TheKingOfComedy ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' as an influence on the film.

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