History Trivia / JohnCarter

* CreatorBacklash: Stanton's friend and boss at Pixar, John Lasseter, allegedly had a nuclear reaction to the marketing and failure of ''John Carter'' and the move to pin the blame on Stanton solely; this nuclear-level reaction led directly to studio chief Rich Ross's departure.

* OldShame: Andrew Stanton has confessed that he isn't too satisfied with how the movie turned out.

** Director Andrew Stanton disappeared from the live action scene and focused on his Pixar output. His career has possibly recovered after directing ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' in 2016 and working on some episodes of ''Series/StrangerThings''.

** The film was titled ''Literature/JohnCarterOfMars'' at first, but the 'Mars' was dropped as Disney thought the 'Mars' title was the reason ''WesternAnimation/MarsNeedsMoms'' did so poorly at the box office, leaving the film with a nondescript name as the title. The fact that the movie even takes place on Mars was downplayed in marketing, along with any mention of creator Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs. The studio also refused to use the book's title ''A Princess of Mars'', fearing it would make the movie sound like a chick flick. As many critics pointed out, they exchanged a title that appealed only to women for a title that appealed to ''literally no one''. And who knows why they didn't just combine the titles and go Indiana Jones with it, thus "John Carter and the Princess of Mars".

** There were reservations at Disney about letting Stanton direct the film, despite his obvious sentimental attachment to the material, because he'd never directed a live-action feature before. However, since he'd made ''WesternAnimation/WallE'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' into hits, they let him do it. As [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/john-carters-commentary-track-showcases-three-film,86634/ Commentary Tracks of the Damned states out of]] Stanton's DVD commentary, this caused the situation of a first-time live action director being “drunk with power” after receiving too much money and creative control, which became even worse because Rich Ross and the other studio executives at Disney likewise had little experience with feature films since most of them had come from television. Throughout production, Stanton ignored the advice of the crew members who were live-action veterans in favor of his Pixar friends, back in their offices, yet he was ironically aware it would not be an easy work, as he warned the execs, "I'm not gonna get it right the first time, I'll tell you that right now." Indeed, the film required extensive double reshoots.
** Then, it came time to market the film, which was already handicapped in that department by having no big stars in the cast. A trailer shown at a Disney convention did not go over well, and Stanton refused to take any advice from the studio's marketing department. He insisted on using Music/LedZeppelin's "Kashmir" in the trailer even after it was pointed out to him that a 30-year-old classic-rock song was not likely to resonate with the younger male audience the film was intended for, in addition to all the titling problems noted above. It didn't help that Stanton, who practically worshiped the books, was under the impression that John Carter was a name on the same level as Sherlock Holmes or Harry Potter, and that everyone would instantly recognize the name- and thus the trailer wouldn't need to explain that much. Suffice to say, he was very wrong. (Granted, once one remembers that film journalists get much of their information from executives, perhaps the above should be taken with a massive grain of salt as an attempt to throw Stanton under the bus.)
** The film's budget qualifies all on its own. A $250 million dollar budget is some $20 million more than Creator/JamesCameron spent on ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', but unlike the man behind the then [[Film/{{Titanic 1997}} highest grossing film in history]], director Stanton had never made a live action picture before.

** Disney predicted a $200 million dollar loss on the film, which could either be including home media sales or just be downright ''optimistic''. Without the actual books it's impossible to be sure. The upper figure on the estimate is ''$225 million'' in 2021 dollars, which (if correct) makes it ''the'' biggest bomb of all time, beating ''Film/MortalEngines'' (the largest ''confirmed'' loss) by $45 million.

* TheWikiRule: [[http://johncarter.wikia.com/wiki/John_Carter_Wiki The John Carter Wiki]].

** One of the biggest in recent memory. It cost an absurd $250 million to make and pulled in an anemic $73 million at the domestic box office, while overseas was much much better at $211 million. [[labelnote: what?]] If this math seems funny to you ($73 million domestic plus $211 million international not equaling a $250 million budget?), then it's important to remember that marketing adds at least another $100 million to the production costs. Additionally, the studio doesn't receive all of the domestic box office money, it splits about half with theater chains. International returns are even lower because some nations (like China) don't allow more than 25% of a film gross to leave the country. Also, major individuals like directors often have a cut of the gross, which (depending on how famous the person is) can be up to ''20 percent''. The general rule of thumb is that a movie must make 2.5x its budget to "break even" after all of the above is taken into account; in this case, ''Carter'' would have needed a take of $625 million to avoid being a bomb.[[/labelnote]] A big part of this was coming out at the same time as ''Film/TheHungerGames'', as well as a spectacularly bad and generic marketing campaign (see the other trope entries below) that got very few people interested.

** Disney predicted a $200 million dollar loss on the film, which could either be including home media sales or just be downright ''optimistic''. Without the actual books it's impossible to be sure. The upper figure on the estimate is ''$223 million'' in 2020 dollars, which (if correct) makes it ''the'' biggest bomb of all time, beating ''Film/MortalEngines'' (the largest ''confirmed'' loss) by $45 million.

** The film was titled ''Literature/JohnCarterOfMars'' at first, but the 'Mars' was dropped as Disney thought the 'Mars' title was the reason ''WesternAnimation/MarsNeedsMoms'' did so poorly at the box office, leaving the film with a nondescript name as the title. The fact that the movie even takes place on Mars was downplayed in marketing, along with any mention of creator Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs. The studio also refused to use the book's title ''A Princess of Mars'', fearing it would make the movie sound like a chick flick. As many critics pointed out, they exchanged a title that appealed only to women for a title that appealed to ''literally no one''.

** Then, it came time to market the film, which was already handicapped in that department by having no big stars in the cast. A trailer shown at a Disney convention did not go over well, and Stanton refused to take any advice from the studio's marketing department. He insisted on using Music/LedZeppelin's "Kashmir" in the trailer even after it was pointed out to him that a 30-year-old classic-rock song was not likely to resonate with the younger male audience the film was intended for, in addition to all the titling problems noted above. It didn't help that Stanton, who practically worshiped the books, was under the impression that John Carter was a name on the same level as Sherlock Holmes or Harry Potter, and that everyone would instantly recognize the name- and thus the trailer wouldn't need to explain that much. Suffice to say, he was very wrong. (Granted, once one remembers that film journalists get much of their information from executives, perhaps the above should be taken with a massive grain of salt as [[ScapegoatCreator an attempt to throw Stanton under the bus]].)

** As detailed in ''John Carter and the Gods of Mars'', a combination of executives being replaced and fighting with one another caused the studio to essentially sabotage the film out of internal pettiness. This infighting ultimately ended with Walt Disney Studios chairman Rich Ross and marketing helm M.T. Carney being on the losing end of the infighting; Ross managed to turn himself into a bitter enemy for Lasseter and was fired from his job over the movie (he had the shortest tenure of any studio chief since 1984, when Katzenberg arrived and started his 10 year tenure, the longest for the studio chiefs), with Carney following Ross out the gate.

** One of the biggest in recent memory. It cost an absurd $250 million to make and pulled in an anemic $73 million at the domestic box office, while overseas was much much better at $211 million. [[labelnote: what?]] If this math seems funny to you ($73 million domestic plus $211 million international not equaling a $250 million budget?), then it's important to remember that marketing adds at least another $100 million to the production costs. Additionally, the studio doesn't receive all of the domestic box office money, it splits about half with theater chains. International returns are even lower because some nations (like China) don't allow more than 25% of a film gross to leave the country. Also, major individuals like directors often have a cut of the gross, which (depending on how famous the person is) can be up to ''20 percent''. The general rule of thumb is that a movie must make 2.5x its budget to "break even" after all of the above is taken into account; in this case, ''Carter'' would have needed a take of $625 million to avoid being a bomb.[[/labelnote]] A big part of this was coming out at the same time as ''Film/TheHungerGames''.

** One of the biggest in recent memory. It cost an absurd $250 million to make and pulled in an anemic $73 million at the domestic box office, while overseas was much much better at $211 million. [[labelnote: what?]] If this math seems funny to you ($73 million domestic plus $211 million international not equaling a $250 million budget?), then it's important to remember that marketing adds at least another $100 million to the production costs. Additionally, the studio doesn't receive all of the domestic box office money, it splits about half with theater chains. International returns are even lower because some nations (like China) don't allow more than 25% of a film gross to leave the country. Also, major individuals like directors often have a cut of the gross, which (depending on how famous the person is) can be up to ''20 percent''.[[/labelnote]] A big part of this was coming out at the same time as ''Film/TheHungerGames''.

** Studio executive Rich Ross was fired from his position as Disney Studios leader weeks after Disney predicted they'd lose $200 million on the project and Pixar supremo John Lasseter, who is friends with director Andrew Stanton, ripped him a new asshole and supposedly threatened to leave Disney himself if Ross didn't; Ross holds the MedalOfDishonor of being the only Disney Studios chairman since Ron Miller's ousting to have lost his job thanks to being simply incompetent in command, with the four chairmen before him (the first of which was Jeffrey Katzenberg, who exited on the back of ''Disney/TheLionKing'' and is really the only chairman to get involved with the animation department as well[[note]]Coincidentally, Katzenberg ''also'' tried to get the ''John Carter'' novels filmed during his tenure as well, but nothing came of it. [[/note]]) leaving for creative differences (the executive who helmed the marketing campaign also got the boot). The failure of ''Film/TheLoneRanger'' the following year ensured Ross won't likely climb back from network television anytime soon.

** The film was titled ''Literature/JohnCarterOfMars'' at first, but the 'Mars' was dropped, leaving the film with a nondescript name as the title. The fact that the movie even takes place on Mars was downplayed in marketing, along with any mention of creator Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs. The studio also refused to use the book's title ''A Princess of Mars'', fearing it would make the movie sound like a chick flick. As many critics pointed out, they exchanged a title that appealed only to women for a title that appealed to ''literally no one''.

** Disney predicted a $200 million dollar loss on the film, which could either be including home media sales or just be downright ''optimistic''. Without the actual books it's impossible to be sure. The upper figure on the estimate is ''$218 million'' in 2019 dollars, which (if correct) makes it ''the'' biggest bomb of all time, beating ''Film/MortalEngines'' (the largest ''confirmed'' loss) by $43 million.

* DuelingMovies: Fought for the same audience as ''Film/WrathOfTheTitans'' (a similar literary concept with big action sequences, a buff male lead and releases in 3-D).