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* HostilityOnTheSet: Creator/CharltonHeston and Creator/SophiaLoren didn't get on. Part of the reason could be that Loren was paid more than Heston (one million dollars, the first time a woman had been paid that sum for acting in a single motion picture). As can be seen in the finished film, during many of the "love" scenes, Heston refused to look at Loren for more than a glance. Creator/AnthonyMann tried take after take, imploring Heston to look into the eyes of the woman he was supposed to love, but Heston couldn't bring himself to do it. Regarding his deathbed scene, he later claimed that he was "looking into the future," rather than into the eyes of his wife. Heston later said he regretted the way he behaved towards Loren during filming, feeling in retrospect that he'd been unprofessional and unfair to her and wished he'd been kinder and less stubborn.

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* HostilityOnTheSet: Creator/CharltonHeston and Creator/SophiaLoren didn't get on. Part of the reason could be that Loren was paid more than Heston (one million dollars, the first time a woman had been paid that sum for acting in a single motion picture). As can be seen in the finished film, during many of the "love" scenes, Heston refused to look at Loren for more than a glance. Creator/AnthonyMann tried take after take, imploring Heston to look into the eyes of the woman he was supposed to love, but Heston couldn't bring himself to do it. Regarding his deathbed scene, he later claimed that he was "looking into the future," rather than into the eyes of his wife. The animosity apparently even lasted after the film was made, or at least long enough that Heston turned down the male lead role in ''Film/TheFallOfTheRomanEmpire'' since it would've meant to have worked with Loren again, but later on Heston said he regretted the way he behaved towards Loren during filming, feeling in retrospect that he'd been unprofessional and unfair to her and wished he'd been kinder and less stubborn.
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** Creator/CharltonHeston was not overly impressed by the finished film, suggesting in his 1995 autobiography "In the Arena" that the film might have been better if Creator/WilliamWyler had directed it instead of Creator/AnthonyMann.

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** Creator/CharltonHeston was not overly impressed by the finished film, suggesting in his 1995 autobiography "In ''In the Arena" Arena'' that the film might have been better if Creator/WilliamWyler had directed it instead of Creator/AnthonyMann.



** The historical consultant Ramón Menéndez-Pidal felt completely ignored and hated that his name was not taken off the credits.

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** The historical Historical consultant Ramón Menéndez-Pidal felt completely ignored and hated that his name was not taken off the credits.
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* FalselyAdvertisedAccuracy: Famed Spanish historian Ramón Menéndez Pidal, considered to be ''the'' authority on El Cid back in the day, was famously hired as the production's historical advisor, something that was boasted in the Spanish print's credits... only to have just about each and every one of his notes completely ignored in favor of telling a story that's mostly fictional.
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** The historical consultant Ramón Menéndez-Pidal felt completely ignored and hated that his name was not taken off the credits.
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** Interestingly enough, the live-action film was never dubbed in Latin American Spanish (outside a very obscure dub which no one knows exactly when or which country was dubbed and very likely was never released), since the European Spanish dub was used instead there. This is likely intentional, due to the very Spaniard setting of the film and the fact the movie itself is based in one of the most famous works of Spanish literature of all time which was originally written in Medieval Spanish, so a Latin American dub would sound out of place here.

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** Interestingly enough, the live-action film was never dubbed in Latin American Spanish (outside a very obscure dub which no one knows exactly when or which country was dubbed done in Colombia, and very likely was never released), since the European Spanish dub was used instead there. This is likely intentional, due to the very Spaniard setting of the film and the fact the movie itself is based in one of the most famous works of Spanish literature of all time which was originally written in Medieval Spanish, so a Latin American dub would sound out of place here.
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* TroubledProduction: The film was one of two separate El Cid films that went into development concurrently, the other was a Spanish co-production set to star Creator/AnthonyQuinn. Production had to be halted when one of its producers sued Samuel Bronston to halt production of the Heston film, and was only resolved after Bronston agreed to give them a producing credit. As a result, part of the film's financing came from Francisco Franco's fascist regime, which heavily promoted the film as a work of nationalist propaganda.

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* TroubledProduction: The film was one of [[DuelingMovies two separate El Cid films films]] that went into development concurrently, the other was a Spanish co-production set to star Creator/AnthonyQuinn. Production had to be halted when one of its producers sued Samuel Bronston to halt production of the Heston film, and was only resolved after Bronston agreed to give them a producing credit. As a result, part of the film's financing came from Francisco Franco's fascist regime, which heavily promoted the film as a work of nationalist propaganda.
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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston plays a Spanish folk hero. His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mostly British, Italian, and French actors.

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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston plays a Spanish folk hero. His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mostly British, Italian, and French actors.
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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero. His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mostly British, Italian, and French actors.

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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is plays a Spanish folk hero. His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mostly British, Italian, and French actors.
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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero. His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mix of British, Italian, and French actors.

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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero. His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mix of mostly British, Italian, and French actors.

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* BackedByThePentagon: 1,700 trained infantrymen were leased from the Spanish Army as well as 500 mounted riders from Madrid's Municipal Honor Guard.



** Creator/JeanneMoreau was considered for Doña Ximena.
** The part of Ben Yussuf was originally offered to Creator/OrsonWelles.

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** Creator/JeanneMoreau was considered for Doña Ximena.
Ximena. Creator/AvaGardner was approached for the role, but she backed out feeling Heston's part was bigger than hers.
** The part of Ben Yussuf was originally offered to Creator/OrsonWelles.Creator/OrsonWelles, but he insisted a double do his on-set performance while he would dub in his lines during post-production. Bronston refused.
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* MumLooksLikeASister: Sir Michael Hordern, who played Creator/CharltonHeston's father, was only 12 years older than Heston.



* ReCut: In some majority Muslim countries, the entire climax is left out as it depicts the massacre of the Moors.

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* BigNameFan: Creator/MartinScorsese called it "one of the greatest epic films ever made", and helped finance its 1993 restoration and re-release.



** Creator/SeanConnery was offered the role of García Ordóñez. He turned it down in favour of a production of ''Naked at Oxford'' with his then-wife Diane Cilento.

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** Creator/SeanConnery was offered the role of García Ordóñez. He turned it down in favour of a production of ''Naked at Oxford'' with his then-wife Diane Cilento.Cilento.
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* BigNameFan: Creator/MartinScorsese called it "one of the greatest epic films ever made", and helped finance its 1993 restoration and re-release.


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* MumLooksLikeASister: Sir Michael Hordern, who played Creator/CharltonHeston's father, was only 12 years older than Heston.


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* ReCut: In some majority Muslim countries, the entire climax is left out as it depicts the massacre of the Moors.
* TroubledProduction: The film was one of two separate El Cid films that went into development concurrently, the other was a Spanish co-production set to star Creator/AnthonyQuinn. Production had to be halted when one of its producers sued Samuel Bronston to halt production of the Heston film, and was only resolved after Bronston agreed to give them a producing credit. As a result, part of the film's financing came from Francisco Franco's fascist regime, which heavily promoted the film as a work of nationalist propaganda.

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* CreatorBacklash: Creator/CharltonHeston was not overly impressed by the finished film, suggesting in his 1995 autobiography "In the Arena" that the film might have been better if Creator/WilliamWyler had directed it instead of Creator/AnthonyMann.

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Creator/CharltonHeston was not overly impressed by the finished film, suggesting in his 1995 autobiography "In the Arena" that the film might have been better if Creator/WilliamWyler had directed it instead of Creator/AnthonyMann. Creator/AnthonyMann.
** Music/MiklosRozsa learned at the premiere that 20% of his score was cut from the final film. He never worked with producer Samuel Bronston again.
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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero. Despite being shot in Spain, the majority of the rest is a mix of British, Italian, and French actors.

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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero. Despite being shot in Spain, the majority of His wife is played by Creator/SophiaLoren, an Italian; and the rest of the cast is a mix of British, Italian, and French actors.
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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero.

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* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero. Despite being shot in Spain, the majority of the rest is a mix of British, Italian, and French actors.

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* NoDubForYou: Interestingly enough, this film was never dubbed in Latin American Spanish (outside a very obscure dub which no one knows exactly when or which country was dubbed and very likely was never released), since the European Spanish dub was used instead there. This is likely intentional, due to the very Spaniard setting of the film and the fact the movie itself is based in one of the most famous works of Spanish literature of all time which was originally written in Medieval Spanish, so a Latin American dub would sound out of place here.

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Interestingly enough, this the live-action film was never dubbed in Latin American Spanish (outside a very obscure dub which no one knows exactly when or which country was dubbed and very likely was never released), since the European Spanish dub was used instead there. This is likely intentional, due to the very Spaniard setting of the film and the fact the movie itself is based in one of the most famous works of Spanish literature of all time which was originally written in Medieval Spanish, so a Latin American dub would sound out of place here.here.
** On the other hand, the animated film was indeed [[SameLanguageDub dubbed]] in Argentina.
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* NoDubForYou: Interestingly enough, this film was never dubbed in Latin American Spanish (outside a very obscure dub which no one knows exactly when or which country was dubbed and very likely was never released), since the European Spanish dub was used instead there. This is likely intentional, due to the very Spaniard setting of the film and the fact the movie itself is based in one of the most famous works of Spanish literature of all time which was originally written in Medieval Spanish, so a Latin American dub would sound out of place here.
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* HostilityOnTheSet: Creator/CharltonHeston and Creator/SophiaLoren didn't get on. Part of the reason could be that Loren was paid more than Heston (one million dollars, the first time a woman had been paid that sum for acting in a single motion picture). As can be seen in the finished film, during many of the "love" scenes, Heston refused to look at Loren for more than a glance. Creator/AnthonyMann tried take after take, imploring Heston to look into the eyes of the woman he loved, but Heston couldn't bring himself to do it. Regarding his deathbed scene, he later claimed that he was "looking into the future," rather than into the eyes of his wife. Heston later said he regretted the way he behaved towards Loren during filming, feeling in retrospect that he'd been unprofessional and unfair to her and wished he'd been kinder and less stubborn towards her.

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* HostilityOnTheSet: Creator/CharltonHeston and Creator/SophiaLoren didn't get on. Part of the reason could be that Loren was paid more than Heston (one million dollars, the first time a woman had been paid that sum for acting in a single motion picture). As can be seen in the finished film, during many of the "love" scenes, Heston refused to look at Loren for more than a glance. Creator/AnthonyMann tried take after take, imploring Heston to look into the eyes of the woman he loved, was supposed to love, but Heston couldn't bring himself to do it. Regarding his deathbed scene, he later claimed that he was "looking into the future," rather than into the eyes of his wife. Heston later said he regretted the way he behaved towards Loren during filming, feeling in retrospect that he'd been unprofessional and unfair to her and wished he'd been kinder and less stubborn towards her.stubborn.
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** Creator/JeanneMoreau was considered for Doña Ximena.

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** Creator/JeanneMoreau was considered for Doña Ximena.



** Creator/SeanConnery was offered the role of García Ordóñez. He turned it down in favour of a production of ''Naked at Oxford'' with his then-wife Diane Cilento.

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** Creator/SeanConnery was offered the role of García Ordóñez. He turned it down in favour of a production of ''Naked at Oxford'' with his then-wife Diane Cilento.
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* CreatorBacklash: Creator/CharltonHeston was not overly impressed by the finished film, suggesting in his 1995 autobiography "In the Arena" that the film might have been better if Creator/WilliamWyler had directed it instead of Creator/AnthonyMann.
* FakeNationality: Creator/CharltonHeston is a Spanish folk hero.
* HostilityOnTheSet: Creator/CharltonHeston and Creator/SophiaLoren didn't get on. Part of the reason could be that Loren was paid more than Heston (one million dollars, the first time a woman had been paid that sum for acting in a single motion picture). As can be seen in the finished film, during many of the "love" scenes, Heston refused to look at Loren for more than a glance. Creator/AnthonyMann tried take after take, imploring Heston to look into the eyes of the woman he loved, but Heston couldn't bring himself to do it. Regarding his deathbed scene, he later claimed that he was "looking into the future," rather than into the eyes of his wife. Heston later said he regretted the way he behaved towards Loren during filming, feeling in retrospect that he'd been unprofessional and unfair to her and wished he'd been kinder and less stubborn towards her.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Creator/JeanneMoreau was considered for Doña Ximena.
** The part of Ben Yussuf was originally offered to Creator/OrsonWelles.
** Creator/SeanConnery was offered the role of García Ordóñez. He turned it down in favour of a production of ''Naked at Oxford'' with his then-wife Diane Cilento.

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