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* MultipleLanguagesSameVoiceActor: Diego Calva dubbed the role of Manny in the Latin American Spanish dub in addition to playing him in the original English version.
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* MethodActing: Diego Calva pretended to be a production assistant on the set of a commercial that Creator/DamienChazelle was directing at Chazelle's behest (said commercial also incidentally starred Creator/BradPitt) so that he could get a sense of how to play one; Chazelle originally intended to keep it a secret, but the commercial's costume designer, who was also going to be working on ''Babylon'', introduced Calva to Pitt, who was initially very confused but took it in stride.

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* MethodActing: Diego Calva pretended to be a production assistant on the set of a commercial that Creator/DamienChazelle was directing at Chazelle's behest (said (the commercial also incidentally starred Creator/BradPitt) so that he could get a sense of how to play one; Chazelle originally intended to keep it a secret, but the commercial's costume designer, who was also going to be working on ''Babylon'', introduced Calva to Pitt, who was initially very confused but took it in stride.

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* ApprovalOfGod: Diego Calva is very appreciative of all the content made by the fandom and frequently shares fanart on his Instagram account.

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* ApprovalOfGod: Diego Calva is very appreciative of all the content made by the fandom and frequently shares fanart and edits on his Instagram account.


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*** Ruth’s surname was originally Arzner instead of Adler.
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director, stacked cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources claiming that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. The most cited reasons for the film's box office failure are mixed and polarizing critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' dominating the holiday box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm that crippled the movie's chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director, stacked cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources claiming that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. The most cited reasons for the film's box office failure are mixed and polarizing critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' dominating the holiday box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, OscarBait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm that crippled the movie's chance of doing well.

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* BillingDisplacement: Creator/BradPitt is billed above Creator/MargotRobbie and Diego Calva despite having the least screen time and focus of the three leading characters. Creator/JeanSmart, Jovan Adepo, and Li Jun Li are all important but have significantly smaller roles and feature on the poster.

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* ApprovalOfGod: Diego Calva is very appreciative of all the content made by the fandom and frequently shares fanart on his Instagram account.
* BillingDisplacement: Creator/BradPitt is billed above Creator/MargotRobbie and Diego Calva despite having the least screen time and focus of the three leading characters. Creator/JeanSmart, Jovan Adepo, Creator/JovanAdepo, and Li Jun Li are all important but have significantly smaller roles and feature on the poster.



* FriendshipOnTheSet: Most of the main cast developed a strong friendship, which came from the need to mutually support each other while filming the extensive and often exhausting opening thirty-minute party sequence. Creator/MargotRobbie and Diego Calva in particular became close friends, with her helping guide him through the attention he received during the film's press tour, as this was his first role in a major Hollywood production.

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* FriendshipOnTheSet: Most of the main cast developed a strong friendship, which came from the need to mutually support each other while filming the extensive and often exhausting opening thirty-minute party sequence. Creator/MargotRobbie and Diego Calva in particular became close friends, with her helping guide him through the attention he received during the film's press tour, as this was his first role in a major Hollywood production.production, and Calva even lived with Robbie and her husband for a few months during filming. Calva would later go on to describe Robbie as being like a supportive older sister to him.



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** From the The 2019 script:script contains many differences to the movie:



*** The script manages to contain even more graphic content than in the final product, including a scene where Manny gets high on mescaline, has sex with Clara in a bathroom, and [[MushroomSamba hallucinates hundreds of chickens fornicating alongside them as well]].

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*** The script manages to contain even more graphic content than in the final product, including a scene where Manny gets high on mescaline, has sex with Clara in a bathroom, and [[MushroomSamba hallucinates hundreds of chickens fornicating alongside them as well]]. Before going to the bathroom, he also hallucinates seeing two statues jerking each other off.



*** Sidney and Anna have a few interactions where it's shown that they have a friendship, unlike the film where Sidney and Fay never directly interact. Anna also ends up pulling a few strings to get him a job at Kinoscope after he gets fired from his band for walking off during a performance to talk to Zora.
*** Anna is shown taking Clara to the hospital after she gets bitten by a snake, which is where they share their kiss instead of immediately after Anna sucks the venom out of her. The script also implies that their dance earlier at the party served as an LGBTAwakening for Clara. Anna also ends up driving Clara to the Kinoscope lot the next day, where they find out from a stagehand that the studio is converting all of their sets to soundstages, since they're going to just be making talkies from now on.
*** The scene of the disastrous production of Clara's very first sound film is set after the hotel party instead of before, so the context of the party is to celebrate the opening of the hotel rather than to celebrate the advent of sound films.



*** James [=McKay=] and Clara Bow originally had a scene where Clara would gamble at James’ casino after her argument with Manny and James would confront Clara about her gambling debt before taking her to a room and threatening to pour acid on her if she doesn’t pay it all. In the final film, James and Nellie don’t interact onscreen.

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*** James [=McKay=] and Clara Bow originally had a scene where Clara would gamble at James’ casino after her argument with Manny and James would confront Clara about her gambling debt before taking her to a room and threatening to pour acid on her if she doesn’t pay it all. In the final film, James and Nellie don’t interact onscreen.onscreen, though she does mention to Manny that James threatened to pour acid on her genitals.
*** Manny visits his family before he plans to leave to Mexico to get the address of a family member who still lives there. His parents are understandably angry at him since he hasn't seen them in years, while his siblings are more preoccupied at seeing Clara Bow at their house and ask for her autograph, which she signs. He also goes to Clara's house to get her passport and some belongings, where [[PetTheDog her father asks him to tell her that he's sorry]].


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*** Some of the supporting and minor characters have different names in the script: George Munn is Paul Bern, Don Wallach is Don Brady, Jack's Hungarian wife Olga Putti is Vilma Banky, the sound technician on the college shoot is Roy instead of Lloyd, and Ruth's assistant director Max is never named in the script.
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*** James [=McKay=] and Clara Bow originally had a scene where Clara would gamble at James’ casino after her argument with Manny and James would confront Clara about her gambling debt before taking her to a room and threatening to pour acid on her if she doesn’t pay it all. In the final film, James and Nellie don’t interact onscreen.
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*** The script manages to contain even more graphic content than in the final product, including a scene where Manny gets high on mescaline, has sex with Clara in a bathroom, and [[MushroomSamba hallucinates hundreds of chickens fornicating alongside them as well]].
*** Sidney has slightly more screentime and a love interest of his own, a novelist named Zora, who he eventually marries and has a son with.
*** Elinor is much more abrasive and rude in the script and is also shown to be casually racist, something that's excised in the final product. Her speech to Jack about the nature of Hollywood doesn't include the part where she reassures him that he'll be immortalized through his movies, making it come across as much harsher.
*** Manny and Clara's relationship is more overt than the slow-burn WillTheyOrWontThey romance that Manny and Nellie have in the actual movie. They have sex twice, once offscreen during the opening party sequence and once onscreen in the bathroom of the fancy upper-class party he takes her to try to rehabilitate her image, he unsuccessfully attempts to ask her out on a date at one point, and they have their RelationshipUpgrade after she comes to his house asking for help to pay off her gambling debts. Because they become a couple earlier, they instead just share a slow dance before they leave for Mexico instead of him confessing that he loves her and begging her to run away with him.
*** [[spoiler:Ruth is revealed to have been one of the many creatives who committed suicide after they found themselves becoming obsolete as the silent era ended.]]
*** [[spoiler:Manny does not have a wife and daughter in the 1952 epilogue, instead going back to Los Angeles alone, and he runs a car shop instead of a radio store. He also stops by Clara's old house before going to the theater.]]
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director, stacked cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources claiming that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director, stacked cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources claiming that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor The most cited reasons for the film's box office failure are mixed and polarizing critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at dominating the holiday box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm that crippled the movies movie's chance of doing well.
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Brad Pitt anchors his own story and provides ample POV, could be considered a lead among them


* BillingDisplacement: Creator/BradPitt is credited above the two leads Creator/MargotRobbie and Diego Calva. Creator/JeanSmart, Jovan Adepo, and Li Jun Li are all important but significantly smaller roles that feature on the poster.

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* BillingDisplacement: Creator/BradPitt is credited billed above the two leads Creator/MargotRobbie and Diego Calva. Calva despite having the least screen time and focus of the three leading characters. Creator/JeanSmart, Jovan Adepo, and Li Jun Li are all important but have significantly smaller roles that and feature on the poster.
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director, stacked cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director, stacked cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing claiming that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and director, stacked cast cast, and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.
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Was this really a reason? Avatar was 3+ hours


* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a lack of advertising, a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast, cast and opening during the normally busy Christmas season, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its domestic opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor critical reviews and word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a lack of advertising, low-profile advertising campaign that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDuMUScBEs didn't really explain what the film was about]], a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.
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The Oscar noms came after US run ended, and no noms in major categories. Critical reception has been middling, not an Acclaimed Flop.


* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast (not to mention several [[AcclaimedFlop Oscar nominations]]), the movie barely scraped by $5 million its opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a lack of advertising, a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast (not to mention several [[AcclaimedFlop Oscar nominations]]), cast, the movie barely scraped by $5 million its opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a lack of advertising, a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast (not to mention several [[AcclaimedFlop Oscar nominations]]), the movie barely scraped by $5 million its opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, a lack of advertising, a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Budget, $80-110 million (according to the [[https://cdn.film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Progress-Report-2021.pdf California Film Commission]], not counting marketing). Worldwide total, $50,451,455 ($15,351,455 domestic, $35,100,000 international). Despite its esteemed director and stacked cast (not to mention several [[AcclaimedFlop Oscar nominations]]), the movie barely scraped by $5 million its opening weekend and limped to a dismal $15,351,455 total domestic gross by the time it left theatres in late January -- nowhere near enough to break even, with some sources citing that the film required ''$250 million'' to break even. This was mostly caused by poor word of mouth, ''Film/AvatarTheWayOfWater'' overshadowing it at the box office, the 3 hour runtime, a lack of advertising, a decline of interest in prestige films and Oscar bait, a severe flu season, and the nationwide impact of a winter storm crippled the movies chance of doing well.

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