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** And as of 2018, Tiffany finally revealed that her mother committed suicide when Tiffany was 12.

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* The first time Tiffany speaks about what really happened to her mother, or [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ruaGdqcusg the reason why the word "mother" is banned in the dorm]] . Back then, when people ask her about her mother, she would only mention that they weren't close with each other, that she hadn't seen her in a while, or she would just mention both of her parents in passing.
* Sooyoung voicing her sadness about only getting to sing [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/783acae37f9e96bc1dbccf3d141fe921/tumblr_mg3w7ziNUf1r61yvqo4_250.gif eight words]] in "I Got A Boy". "Give me some parts.. I’ll sing well.. I only got 8 words to sing in this song.. I get my hair/makeup done at 5 in the morning just to sing 8 words." Especially sad when you realize that she's their best Japanese speaker, yet barely gets to sing at all in their Japanese releases. For example - she sings ''one word'' ("Doushite") in "You-Aholic".

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* The first time Tiffany speaks about what really happened to her mother, or [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ruaGdqcusg the reason why the word "mother" is banned in the dorm]] . Back then, when people ask asked her about her mother, she would only mention that they weren't close with each other, that she hadn't seen her in a while, or she would just mention both of her parents in passing.
** Tiffany also mentioned that her relationship with her father was strained in the past due to him not approving of her going to Korea and becoming a singer. Once he warmed up to her career, they were still distant with each other due to how far away and busy Tiffany was. Seeing someone as cheerful as Tiffany cry about this was hard for many fans, especially seeing as how she seldom talks about her parents.
* Sooyoung voicing her sadness about only getting to sing [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/783acae37f9e96bc1dbccf3d141fe921/tumblr_mg3w7ziNUf1r61yvqo4_250.gif eight words]] in "I Got A Boy". "Give me some parts.. I’ll sing well.. I only got 8 words to sing in this song.. I get my hair/makeup done at 5 in the morning just to sing 8 words." Especially sad when you realize that she's their best most fluent Japanese speaker, yet barely gets to sing at all in their Japanese releases. For example - she sings ''one word'' ("Doushite") in "You-Aholic".



* Yoona may seem like a very carefree and laid-back person, but she has her problems too, just like how her mother left her when she was a baby, being a member of the SM depression club, and being the "face" of the group which is both a blessing and a curse to her since this is one of the reasons why she has anti-fans.

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* Yoona may seem like a very carefree and laid-back person, but she has her problems too, just like how her mother left her when she was a baby, being a member of the SM depression club, and being the "face" of the group which is both a blessing and a curse to her since this is one of the reasons why she has so many anti-fans.



* The treatment of Hyoyeon as compared to the other members. She's called "Hyogre", "Hyoppa", "the ugly one", etc. Then you get photos like [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXz1Gxob7Wo/Trvb0iZQ6II/AAAAAAAAAGI/ewixW2o34VI/s1600/hyogre.png one]] that say imply one has to be drunk to see her as attractive.

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* The treatment of Hyoyeon as compared to the other members. She's called "Hyogre", "Hyoppa", "the ugly one", etc. Then you get photos like [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXz1Gxob7Wo/Trvb0iZQ6II/AAAAAAAAAGI/ewixW2o34VI/s1600/hyogre.png one]] that say imply one has to be drunk to see her as attractive. The fact that she was consistently styled the worst in the group's early days really didn't help matters at all.



* The crap [[FanDumb their antis]] put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things (such as when Taeyeon was criticized for apparently saying that Alicia Keys was pretty "for a black person" when she actually said "black friend is very pretty) and even make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!

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* The crap [[FanDumb their antis]] put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things (such as when Taeyeon was criticized for apparently saying that Alicia Keys was pretty "for a black person" when she actually said "black friend is very pretty) pretty") and even make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!



* The infamous [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyH3qwAxNJY Black Ocean]] back in 2008. While SNSD was performing at the 2008 Dream Concert, people in the audience (mainly ELFs, Cassies, and Triple S's) turned off their lightsticks and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VWkSgDZ0g4 behaved]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJjMEJmxUo ''horribly'']]. Regardless of the reasons behind it, it's incredibly hard to see most of the members on stage trying to keep smiling and performing while trying not to cry.
* The Oreogate (Taeyeon/Baekhyun) scandal. ''Yikes.'' For those who don't know the whole story, Taeyeon and Baekhyun started talking after Baekhyun was in a [=TaeTiSeo=] music video, and started dating in February 2014. Not long after former [=EXO=] member Kris came out saying that he was suing SM and leaving the company, [=BaekYeon=] were photographed in Taeyeon's car, driving with the top down and kissing in public. Fans of both groups went ''nuts'', calling Taeyeon an "fox in a bear's skin" (a sly, deceitful woman who acts like a cute, innocent one) and a "slut" for (allegedly) dating four guys from the same company (she has also supposedly dated Leeteuk and Kangin of Music/SuperJunior and Junsu of JYJ/TVXQ). They also claimed the two had been using fan gifts as well their Instagram accounts that were "made for the fans" to send messages to each other. Taeyeon originally tried to apologize through a post on her Instagram, but it was quickly deleted and her company kept her quiet. After landing in Japan for an event, Taeyeon found a fan who spoke Korean and cried, begging them to tell the fans online that she never meant to hurt them or use them and she hopes that they can forgive her. This seemed to have everyone pacified until one netizen pointed out in that in the paparazzi's pictures of the incident... She was wearing one black (or Baek in Korean) stud and one white (or Hyun in Korean) stud in her ear. [[OhCrap Uh-oh.]] For a while, she and Baekhyun barely even touched their official Instagram accounts nor their alleged secret Instagram accounts for one another, "brntbbdass" (Born To Be Bad Ass) and "brntbbdassxoxo" (Born To Be Bad Ass [=XOXO=]).

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* The infamous [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyH3qwAxNJY Black Ocean]] back in 2008. While About a year or so after they debuted, SNSD was performing at the 2008 Dream Concert, people Concert. People in the audience (mainly ELFs, Cassies, and Triple S's) turned off their lightsticks - considered by the KPOP fandom to be probably the most impolite thing to do - and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VWkSgDZ0g4 behaved]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJjMEJmxUo ''horribly'']]. horribly]]. Regardless of the reasons behind it, it's incredibly hard to see most of the members on stage trying to keep smiling and performing while trying not to cry.obviously holding back their tears.
* The Oreogate (Taeyeon/Baekhyun) scandal. ''Yikes.'' For those who don't know the whole story, Taeyeon and Baekhyun started talking after Baekhyun was in a [=TaeTiSeo=] [=TaeTiSeo's=] music video, video for Twinkle back in 2012, and started dating in February 2014. Not long after former [=EXO=] member Kris came out saying that he was suing SM and leaving the company, [=BaekYeon=] were photographed in Taeyeon's car, driving with the top down and kissing in public. Fans of both groups went ''nuts'', calling Taeyeon an "fox in a bear's skin" (a sly, deceitful woman who acts like a cute, innocent one) and a "slut" for (allegedly) dating four guys from the same company (she has also supposedly dated Leeteuk and Kangin of Music/SuperJunior and Junsu of JYJ/TVXQ). They also claimed the two had been using fan gifts as well their Instagram accounts that were "made for the fans" to send messages to each other. Taeyeon originally tried to apologize through a post on her Instagram, but it was quickly deleted and her company kept her quiet. After landing in Japan for an event, Taeyeon found a fan who spoke Korean and cried, begging them to tell the fans online that she never meant to hurt them or use them and she hopes that they can forgive her. This seemed to have everyone pacified until one netizen pointed out in that in the paparazzi's pictures of the incident... She was wearing one black (or Baek in Korean) stud and one white (or Hyun in Korean) stud in her ear. [[OhCrap Uh-oh.]] For a while, she and Baekhyun barely even touched their official Instagram accounts nor their alleged secret Instagram accounts for one another, "brntbbdass" (Born To Be Bad Ass) and "brntbbdassxoxo" (Born To Be Bad Ass [=XOXO=]).



*** This took many by surprise, because prior to the Taeyeon/Baekhyun scandal, she was known as the Anti's Darling (or the SNSD member that even antis liked/the member with the least amount of antis).

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*** This took many by surprise, because prior to the Taeyeon/Baekhyun scandal, she was known as the Anti's Darling (or the SNSD member that even antis liked/the member with the least amount of antis).liked).



** The fact that the other eight girls are now being demonized by international fans, who nearly universally blame them for Jessica's departure after Jessica made the claim that the other eight had come together to force her out. It's incredibly disheartening to read the sneering claims from people who have no idea what actually happened, and choose only to believe one side. It's almost reminiscent of T-ARA, who were demonized after Hwayoung was removed, only to finally have it revealed that she wasn't the innocent martyr she made herself out to be (although the circumstances around the two departures were ''wildly'' different).
*** Also, the other girls don't even have the power to pick their lead singles, and somehow people believe that they have the power to force her out?

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** The fact that the other eight girls are now being demonized by international fans, who nearly universally blame them for Jessica's departure after Jessica made the claim that the other eight had come together to force her out. It's incredibly disheartening to read the sneering claims from people who have no idea what actually happened, and choose only to believe one side. It's almost reminiscent of T-ARA, who were demonized after Hwayoung was removed, only to finally have it revealed that she wasn't was never the innocent martyr she made herself out to be (although the circumstances around the two departures were ''wildly'' different).
*** Also, the The other girls don't even have the power to pick their lead singles, and somehow people believe that they have the power to force her out?



** What makes this moment even more of a Tearjerker is that this was a little bit after they debuted, during a time where SNSD was pretty much the prime target of antis and other people who just otherwise didn't like them.



* The absolute clusterfuck that's been their 10th year anniversary. As a girl group that has kept going strong for ten years, Sones expected it to be the comeback of the century. Instead, the girls got [[ScrewedByTheNetwork screwed over by]] '''[[https://seoulcomplex.com/united-we-sone-816/ their own company.]]'''

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* The absolute clusterfuck that's been their 10th year anniversary. As Korea's National Girl Group and a girl group frontrunner for the Hallyu Wave that has kept going strong for ten years, Sones expected it to be the comeback of the century. Instead, the girls got [[ScrewedByTheNetwork screwed over by]] '''[[https://seoulcomplex.com/united-we-sone-816/ their own company.]]'''
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** Apparently during the trip for a performance in their earlier days their car got into a minor accident in traffic and they had to RUN to the venue, missing their normal performance slot. If you watch [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7XgkonOmlU the performance]] you can hear the exhaustion in their singing (and Sunny's microphone just not working right.) Couple that with a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} where they go on to win an award, their first Music Bank award ever, their reaction is nothing less then sincere and you want to just cry along with them.
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** Apparently during the trip for a performance in their earlier days their car got into a minor accident in traffic and they had to RUN to the venue, missing their normal performance slot. If you watch [[http://youtu.be/A-AXqvGKoy8 the performance]] you can hear the exhaustion in their singing (and Sunny's microphone just not working right.) Couple that with a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} where they go on to win an award, their first Music Bank award ever, their reaction is nothing less then sincere and you want to just cry along with them.

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** Apparently during the trip for a performance in their earlier days their car got into a minor accident in traffic and they had to RUN to the venue, missing their normal performance slot. If you watch [[http://youtu.be/A-AXqvGKoy8 [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7XgkonOmlU the performance]] you can hear the exhaustion in their singing (and Sunny's microphone just not working right.) Couple that with a {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} where they go on to win an award, their first Music Bank award ever, their reaction is nothing less then sincere and you want to just cry along with them.
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* The absolute clusterfuck that's been their 10th year anniversary. As a girl group that has kept going strong for ten years, Sones expected it to be the comeback of the century. Instead, the girls got [[ScrewedByTheNetwork screwed over by]] '''[[https://seoulcomplex.com/united-we-sone-816/ their own company.]]'''

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* The song ''Dear Mom'' considering what happened to Tiffany's mother. Tiffany's mother passed away before Tiffany debuted. Little is known about this, but it remains a tearjerker in every mention.
** Yoona's mother apparently deserted her when she was just a little baby.
* The first time Tiffany speaks about what really happened to her mother, or [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ruaGdqcusg the reason why the word "mother" is banned in the dorm]] . Back then, when people ask her about her mother, she would only mention that they aren't close with each other.
* Sooyoung voicing her sadness about only getting to sing [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/783acae37f9e96bc1dbccf3d141fe921/tumblr_mg3w7ziNUf1r61yvqo4_250.gif eight words]] in "I Got A Boy". "Give me some parts.. I’ll sing well.. I only got 8 words to sing in this song.. I get my hair/makeup done at 5 in the morning just to sing 8 words." Especially sad when you realize that she's probably their best Japanese speaker, yet barely gets to sing at all in their Japanese releases. For example - she sings ''one word'' ("Doushite") in "You-Aholic".

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* The song ''Dear Mom'' Mom'', especially considering what happened to Tiffany's mother. Tiffany and Yoona's mothers. Tiffany's mother passed away before Tiffany debuted. debuted and Yoona's mother allegedly deserted her family when she was little. Little is known about this, both incidents, but it remains a tearjerker they remain tearjerkers in every mention.
** Yoona's mother apparently deserted her when she was just a little baby.
* The first time Tiffany speaks about what really happened to her mother, or [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ruaGdqcusg the reason why the word "mother" is banned in the dorm]] . Back then, when people ask her about her mother, she would only mention that they aren't weren't close with each other.
other, that she hadn't seen her in a while, or she would just mention both of her parents in passing.
* Sooyoung voicing her sadness about only getting to sing [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/783acae37f9e96bc1dbccf3d141fe921/tumblr_mg3w7ziNUf1r61yvqo4_250.gif eight words]] in "I Got A Boy". "Give me some parts.. I’ll sing well.. I only got 8 words to sing in this song.. I get my hair/makeup done at 5 in the morning just to sing 8 words." Especially sad when you realize that she's probably their best Japanese speaker, yet barely gets to sing at all in their Japanese releases. For example - she sings ''one word'' ("Doushite") in "You-Aholic".



-->'''Tiffany''': I want SNSD to acheive even more success. It feels like we finished our tour only a few days ago but we were in the midst of working on our 3rd album, it felt like time went by way too fast. Sometimes I think to myself "What did I just do?" or "What am I doing right now?" And in order to acheive bigger success I think we need a little break. That kind of upsets me. If happiness is 100 points I only feel 10 because we're so tired. Of course I'm beyond thankful, but because of fatigue I say "But I'm so tired" and feel like I'm not properly being thankful.

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-->'''Tiffany''': I want SNSD to acheive achieve even more success. It feels like we finished our tour only a few days ago but we were in the midst of working on our 3rd album, it felt like time went by way too fast. Sometimes I think to myself "What did I just do?" or "What am I doing right now?" And in order to acheive achieve bigger success I think we need a little break. That kind of upsets me. If happiness is 100 points I only feel 10 because we're so tired. Of course I'm beyond thankful, but because of fatigue I say "But I'm so tired" and feel like I'm not properly being thankful.



* The crap [[FanDumb their antis]] put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things and make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!

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* The crap [[FanDumb their antis]] put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things (such as when Taeyeon was criticized for apparently saying that Alicia Keys was pretty "for a black person" when she actually said "black friend is very pretty) and even make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!



* The Oreogate (Taeyeon/Baekhyun) scandal. ''Yikes.'' For those who don't know the whole story, Taeyeon and Baekhyun started talking after Baekhyun was in a [=TaeTiSeo=] music video, and started dating in February 2014. Not long after former [=EXO=] member Kris came out saying that he was suing SM and leaving the company, [=BaekYeon=] were photographed in Taeyeon's car, driving with the top down and kissing in public. Fans of both groups went ''nuts'', calling Taeyeon an "fox in an elephant's skin" (a sly, deceitful woman who acts like a cute, innocent one) and a "slut" for (allegedly) dating four guys from the same company (she has also supposedly dated Leeteuk and Kangin of Music/SuperJunior and Junsu of JYJ/TVXQ). They also claimed the two had been using fan gifts as well their Instagram accounts that were "made for the fans" to send messages to each other. Taeyeon originally tried to apologize through a post on her Instagram, but it was quickly deleted and her company kept her quiet. After landing in Japan for an event, Taeyeon found a fan who spoke Korean and cried, begging them to tell the fans online that she never meant to hurt them or use them and she hopes that they can forgive her. This seemed to have everyone pacified until one netizen pointed out in that in the paparazzi's pictures of the incident... She was wearing one black (or Baek in Korean) stud and one white (or Hyun in Korean) stud in her ear. [[OhCrap Uh-oh.]] For a while, she and Baekhyun barely even touch their official Instagram accounts nor their alleged secret Instagram accounts for one another, "brntbbdass" (Born To Be Bad Ass) and "brntbbdassxoxo" (Born To Be Bad Ass [=XOXO=]).

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* The infamous [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyH3qwAxNJY Black Ocean]] back in 2008. While SNSD was performing at the 2008 Dream Concert, people in the audience (mainly ELFs, Cassies, and Triple S's) turned off their lightsticks and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VWkSgDZ0g4 behaved]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJjMEJmxUo ''horribly'']]. Regardless of the reasons behind it, it's incredibly hard to see most of the members on stage trying to keep smiling and performing while trying not to cry.
* The Oreogate (Taeyeon/Baekhyun) scandal. ''Yikes.'' For those who don't know the whole story, Taeyeon and Baekhyun started talking after Baekhyun was in a [=TaeTiSeo=] music video, and started dating in February 2014. Not long after former [=EXO=] member Kris came out saying that he was suing SM and leaving the company, [=BaekYeon=] were photographed in Taeyeon's car, driving with the top down and kissing in public. Fans of both groups went ''nuts'', calling Taeyeon an "fox in an elephant's a bear's skin" (a sly, deceitful woman who acts like a cute, innocent one) and a "slut" for (allegedly) dating four guys from the same company (she has also supposedly dated Leeteuk and Kangin of Music/SuperJunior and Junsu of JYJ/TVXQ). They also claimed the two had been using fan gifts as well their Instagram accounts that were "made for the fans" to send messages to each other. Taeyeon originally tried to apologize through a post on her Instagram, but it was quickly deleted and her company kept her quiet. After landing in Japan for an event, Taeyeon found a fan who spoke Korean and cried, begging them to tell the fans online that she never meant to hurt them or use them and she hopes that they can forgive her. This seemed to have everyone pacified until one netizen pointed out in that in the paparazzi's pictures of the incident... She was wearing one black (or Baek in Korean) stud and one white (or Hyun in Korean) stud in her ear. [[OhCrap Uh-oh.]] For a while, she and Baekhyun barely even touch touched their official Instagram accounts nor their alleged secret Instagram accounts for one another, "brntbbdass" (Born To Be Bad Ass) and "brntbbdassxoxo" (Born To Be Bad Ass [=XOXO=]).



***This took many by surprise, because prior to the Taeyeon/Baekhyun scandal, she was known as the Anti's Darling (or the SNSD member that even antis liked/the member with the least amount of antis).



* At the end of their Tokyo Dome concert, the girls sang a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxGAU7YjkA4 new ballad version]] of their first single, "Into the New World." The moment was so emotional that Sunny could barely sing her parts since she was crying so hard. Several of the other girls followed suit.

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* At the end of their Tokyo Dome concert, concert (which was already a big enough deal in itself), the girls sang a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxGAU7YjkA4 new ballad version]] of their first single, "Into the New World." The moment was so emotional that Sunny could barely sing her parts since she was crying so hard. Several of the other girls followed suit.



* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUhcyY51BQ Sunny talking about her grandparents who are very sick]], and eventually taking a chance to talk to the camera as if she is talking to them in hopes that they'll watch. She sounds exactly like a child, which makes it even more devastating to watch.

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUhcyY51BQ Sunny talking about her grandparents who are were very sick]], sick and in America receiving treatment]], and eventually taking a chance to talk to the camera as if she is was talking to them in hopes that they'll they'd watch. She sounds exactly like a child, which makes it even more devastating to watch.



** Sunny also said that her grandmother is so badly ill, she can't even recognize her anymore.

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** Sunny also said that her grandmother is was so badly ill, she can't couldn't even recognize her anymore.
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* The crap their antis put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things and make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!
** It's worth noting a lot of antis are fangirls of male groups who become furious when a female idol so much as ''looks'' at their "oppar".

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* The crap [[FanDumb their antis antis]] put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things and make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!
** It's worth noting a lot of antis are fangirls of male groups who [[YokoOhNo become furious furious]] when a female idol so much as ''looks'' at their "oppar".
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--> "I wanted to get a message out loud and clear — you underestimate Hyoyeon and how much of an affect she’s had within the ever expanding, international fandom. You don’t treat her as well as the other members, as a fandom/as a whole, and you don’t respect her as well as the other members. It is obvious and it is SAD. You don’t treat her as well. You just don't. Your philosophy of [=OT9=], which we as an international fandom learned from YOU ALL and of which we now PREACH, is constantly jaded in my eyes but now I can’t ignore that anymore. [=OT9=] only means something to me if it is directly from SNSD’s mouths but if a [=KSONE=] has something to say on it, I can’t take it seriously anymore. Sones, you are all too much! [...] It’s a big deal because things like this KEEPS ON HAPPENING with her. I recently downloaded a large SNSD picture archive via Moonsoshi9 from a Chinese website. MASSIVE amounts of pics from many events expanding from the very late 2010 to late 2011 — think of every official fan taken picture released, it’s all there. And I’m scanning through these all, looking at the hard work and money that KSONE have spent, at the beautiful women who worked so hard for what they have now. But I keep on returning to the same feelings all Hyohunnies have — the very few pictures that Hyo gets. I looked in a folder of around 80 pictures and there were only 2 pictures of her while the rest were equally represented. One of which is just her in the side. A bunch of pictures of which she is literally BLOCKED OUT by a BLACK BOX. [...] There is absolutely no EXCUSE."

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--> "I wanted to get a message out loud and clear — you underestimate Hyoyeon and how much of an affect she’s had within the ever expanding, international fandom. You don’t treat her as well as the other members, as a fandom/as a whole, and you don’t respect her as well as the other members. It is obvious and it is SAD. You don’t treat her as well. You just don't. Your philosophy of [=OT9=], which we as an international fandom learned from YOU ALL and of which we now PREACH, is constantly jaded in my eyes but now I can’t ignore that anymore. [=OT9=] only means something to me if it is directly from SNSD’s mouths but if a [=KSONE=] has something to say on it, I can’t take it seriously anymore. Sones, you are all too much! [...] It’s a big deal because things like this KEEPS ON HAPPENING with her. I recently downloaded a large SNSD picture archive via Moonsoshi9 [=Moonsoshi9=] from a Chinese website. MASSIVE amounts of pics from many events expanding from the very late 2010 to late 2011 — think of every official fan taken picture released, it’s all there. And I’m scanning through these all, looking at the hard work and money that KSONE have spent, at the beautiful women who worked so hard for what they have now. But I keep on returning to the same feelings all Hyohunnies have — the very few pictures that Hyo gets. I looked in a folder of around 80 pictures and there were only 2 pictures of her while the rest were equally represented. One of which is just her in the side. A bunch of pictures of which she is literally BLOCKED OUT by a BLACK BOX. [...] There is absolutely no EXCUSE."
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** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the rumours gained even more traction after an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence... Also notable is that after being criticized for barely seeming to do any actual designing work on her fashion line (and the success of that brand being very controversial), she announces she's going back into music to be a solo artist, and is still constantly seen with Tyler.

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** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the *** As of 2016, Jessica has confirmed that she and Tyler are in a relationship. So perhaps those rumours gained even more traction aren't so debunked after all - and there was also an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show that aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence... Also notable is that after being criticized for barely seeming to do any actual designing work on her fashion line (and the success of that brand being very controversial), she announces she's going back into music to be a solo artist, and is still constantly seen with Tyler.artist (despite repeatedly insisting she wasn't going to).
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*** The treatment some Sones gave one of the admins of that blog deserves to be mentioned as well. One of the moderators, Ashley, said that Sooyoung was her least favourite member. She also has the misfortune of being the most active mod, and publishing a lot of (negative) confessions about Sooyoung (including those made by the aforementioned anti). Cue ''epic'' {{fandumb}}, wherein she even received ''death threats'' because people were convinced she was an anti and hated Sooyoung.
** There's another anti active on the blog - they call themselves "[=HungarianSone=]", and reblog every confession about Sooyoung with a nasty note attached. For example, they claimed she "would only be able to sell two albums" if SNSD ever broke up and went solo, and that she was "an ugly pathetic bitch who drag[s] the whole group down". Fandom opinion is that this is just a troll (or a STAND member), but ''still''.
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*** Also, the other girls don't even have the power to pick their lead singles, and somehow people believe that they have the power to force her out?
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* Just shortly after Jessica's allegedly forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of [=OT9=]/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[{{Irony}} "We are always one"]] and [[{{Irony}} "We can be divine"]] .

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* Just shortly after Jessica's allegedly alleged forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of [=OT9=]/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[{{Irony}} "We are always one"]] and [[{{Irony}} "We can be divine"]] .
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* The treatment of Hyoyeon as compared to the other members. She's called "Hyogre", "Hyoppa", "the ugly one", etc. Then you get photos like [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXz1Gxob7Wo/Trvb0iZQ6II/AAAAAAAAAGI/ewixW2o34VI/s1600/hyogre.png one]] that say imply one has to be drunk to see her as attractive...

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* The treatment of Hyoyeon as compared to the other members. She's called "Hyogre", "Hyoppa", "the ugly one", etc. Then you get photos like [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXz1Gxob7Wo/Trvb0iZQ6II/AAAAAAAAAGI/ewixW2o34VI/s1600/hyogre.png one]] that say imply one has to be drunk to see her as attractive...attractive.



** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the rumours gained even more traction after an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that... and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence... And after being criticized for barely seeming to do any actual designing work on her fashion line (and the success of that brand being very controversial), she announces she's going back into music to be a solo artist, and is still constantly seen with Tyler.

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** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the rumours gained even more traction after an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that... that and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence... And Also notable is that after being criticized for barely seeming to do any actual designing work on her fashion line (and the success of that brand being very controversial), she announces she's going back into music to be a solo artist, and is still constantly seen with Tyler.Tyler.
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*** The treatment some Sones gave one of the admins of that blog deserves to be mentioned as well. One of the moderators, Ashley, said that Sooyoung was her least favourite member. She also has the misfortune of being the most active mod, and publishing a lot of (negative) confessions about Sooyoung (including those made by the aforementioned anti). Cue fandom dumb, wherein she even received ''death threats'' because people were convinced she was an anti and hated Sooyoung.

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*** The treatment some Sones gave one of the admins of that blog deserves to be mentioned as well. One of the moderators, Ashley, said that Sooyoung was her least favourite member. She also has the misfortune of being the most active mod, and publishing a lot of (negative) confessions about Sooyoung (including those made by the aforementioned anti). Cue fandom dumb, ''epic'' {{fandumb}}, wherein she even received ''death threats'' because people were convinced she was an anti and hated Sooyoung.
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** A quote from someone's [[http://kim-hyoyeon.tumblr.com/post/23334206269/hyoyeon-dwts-thing post]] on an SNSD forum sums it up pretty well:

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** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the rumours gained even more traction after an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that... and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence.

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** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the rumours gained even more traction after an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that... and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence.coincidence... And after being criticized for barely seeming to do any actual designing work on her fashion line (and the success of that brand being very controversial), she announces she's going back into music to be a solo artist, and is still constantly seen with Tyler.
** The fact that the other eight girls are now being demonized by international fans, who nearly universally blame them for Jessica's departure after Jessica made the claim that the other eight had come together to force her out. It's incredibly disheartening to read the sneering claims from people who have no idea what actually happened, and choose only to believe one side. It's almost reminiscent of T-ARA, who were demonized after Hwayoung was removed, only to finally have it revealed that she wasn't the innocent martyr she made herself out to be (although the circumstances around the two departures were ''wildly'' different).
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** Sunny also said that her grandmother is so badly ill, she can't even recognize her anymore.
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUhcyY51BQ Sunny talking about her grandparents who are very sick]], and eventually taking a chance to talk to the camera as if she is talking to them in hopes that they'll watch. She sounds exactly like a child, which makes it even more devastating to watch.
-->"Please don't be sick..."
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiD2CtZeoQM Sooyoung's mother reading her daughter a letter.]] Even Sooyoung wasn't able to keep her emotions back.

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiD2CtZeoQM Sooyoung's mother reading her daughter a letter.]] letter]] is equal parts TearJerker and HeartwarmingMoments. Even Sooyoung wasn't able to keep her emotions back.
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* At the end of their Tokyo Dome concert, the girls sang a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxGAU7YjkA4 new ballad version]] of their first single, "Into the New World." The moment was so emotional that Sunny could barely sing her parts since she was crying so hard. Several of the other girls followed suit.

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* At the end of their Tokyo Dome concert, the girls sang a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxGAU7YjkA4 new ballad version]] of their first single, "Into the New World." The moment was so emotional that Sunny could barely sing her parts since she was crying so hard. Several of the other girls followed suit.suit.
* After [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7XgkonOmlU the group won at Music Bank]] for a performance of "Kissing You" done after [[MomentOfAwesome the group had to run on foot to make it in time after a car accident]], everyone starts violently bawling TearsOfJoy. It can be hard to watch, and was [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw08Jd3cRtc at one point]] ranked as one of the most tearjerking moments in SNSD history.
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** Some k-netizens and fans, however, pointed out that Jessica had been rumored to be wanting to leave for a while (supposedly to get married - rumours of this had been circulating for nearly a year), so they found her announcement to be in very bad taste. However, these marriage rumors were debunked as the supposed marriage partner in question denied the engagement and relationship multiple times himself and Jessica had never acknowledged him as more than just her business partner and the rumors of Jessica wanting to leave came from anonymous unverified sources that claim to be close with Jessica and the girls, so take it with a grain or two of salt.
* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of [=OT9=]/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[{{Irony}} "We are always one"]] and [[{{Irony}} "We can be divine"]] .

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** Some k-netizens and fans, however, pointed out that Jessica had been rumored to be wanting to leave for a while (supposedly to get married - [[http://entasia.net/threads/jessica-is-leaving-snsd-to-get-married.38432/ rumours of this had been circulating for nearly a year), year]]), so they found her announcement to be in very bad taste. However, these marriage rumors were debunked as the supposed marriage partner in question denied the engagement and relationship multiple times himself and Jessica had never acknowledged him as more than just her business partner and the rumors of Jessica wanting to leave came from anonymous unverified sources that claim to be close with Jessica and the girls, so take it with a grain or two of salt.
** It wasn't just "anonymous unverified sources", though - the rumours gained even more traction after an episode of Jessica & Krystal's reality show aired in which Krystal cried and said that "Nobody listens to what I have to say," and Jessica replied "Don't worry, we'll be free soon." Just a little while after that... and Jessica announces her departure. That's an awfully big coincidence.
* Just shortly after Jessica's allegedly forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of [=OT9=]/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[{{Irony}} "We are always one"]] and [[{{Irony}} "We can be divine"]] .

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* The song ''Dear Mom'' considering what happened to Tiffany's mother. [[spoiler: Tiffany's mother passed away before Tiffany debuted. Little is known about this, but it remains a tearjerker in every mention.]]
** Yoona's mother [[spoiler:apparently deserted her when she was just a little baby.]]

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* The song ''Dear Mom'' considering what happened to Tiffany's mother. [[spoiler: Tiffany's mother passed away before Tiffany debuted. Little is known about this, but it remains a tearjerker in every mention.]]
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** Yoona's mother [[spoiler:apparently apparently deserted her when she was just a little baby.]]



* Yoona may seem like a very carefree and laid-back person, but she has her problems too, just like how her mother left her when she was a baby, being a member of the SM depression club, and being the "face" of the group which is both a blessing and a curse to her since this is [[HateDumb one of the reasons why she has anti-fans]].

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* Yoona may seem like a very carefree and laid-back person, but she has her problems too, just like how her mother left her when she was a baby, being a member of the SM depression club, and being the "face" of the group which is both a blessing and a curse to her since this is [[HateDumb one of the reasons why she has anti-fans]].anti-fans.



* The treatment of Hyoyeon as compared to the other members. She's called "Hyogre", "Hyoppa", "the ugly one", etc. Then you get photos like [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXz1Gxob7Wo/Trvb0iZQ6II/AAAAAAAAAGI/ewixW2o34VI/s1600/hyogre.png this]]...

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* The treatment of Hyoyeon as compared to the other members. She's called "Hyogre", "Hyoppa", "the ugly one", etc. Then you get photos like [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXz1Gxob7Wo/Trvb0iZQ6II/AAAAAAAAAGI/ewixW2o34VI/s1600/hyogre.png this]]...one]] that say imply one has to be drunk to see her as attractive...



* The crap their HateDumb puts them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things (for example, they alleged that Taeyeon said that Alicia Keys "was pretty - for a black woman", when actually she said "black friend is very pretty") and make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!

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* The crap their HateDumb puts antis put them through is awful. Calling them "sluts" and "whores" who are "talentless and plastic" (but hey, if a male idol gets plastic surgery, then he's "[[DoubleStandard SO HOT]]!"). Antis have been known to purposefully mistranslate things (for example, they alleged that Taeyeon said that Alicia Keys "was pretty - for a black woman", when actually she said "black friend is very pretty") and make up outright lies (one notable example being when someone claimed Sooyoung and Sunny were rude and aggressive in an airport - which was proven to have been a complete and utter lie - the accuser wound up changing her story multiple times, and finally deleted her blog). Hell, one anti even wished Sooyoung had died or been paralyzed after her car accident!



** There was a recent incident on an "SNSD Confession" blog where an anti pretended to be a Sooyoungster and wrote several posts about things like "Sooyoung is so much prettier than stupid Yoona!" "Sooyoung should be the main singer of the group and Horsica and Hyogre should go die!". Cue ''furious'' backlash against Sones and Sooyoungsters, even after the anti revealed themselves and laughed at all the trouble they'd caused.
*** The treatment some Sones gave one of the admins of that blog deserves to be mentioned as well. One of the moderators, Ashley, said that Sooyoung was her least favourite member. She also has the misfortune of being the most active mod, and publishing a lot of (negative) confessions about Sooyoung (including those made by the aforementioned anti). Cue FanDumb, wherein she even received ''death threats'' because people were convinced she was an anti and hated Sooyoung.
** There's currently another anti active on the blog - they call themselves "[=HungarianSone=]", and reblog every confession about Sooyoung with a nasty note attached. For example, they claimed she "would only be able to sell two albums" if SNSD ever broke up and went solo, and that she was "an ugly pathetic bitch who drag[s] the whole group down". Fandom opinion is that this is just a {{troll}} (or a STAND member), but ''still''.
* The Oreogate (Taeyeon/Baekhyun) scandal. ''Yikes.'' For those who don't know the whole story, Taeyeon and Baekhyun started talking after Baekhyun was in a [=TaeTiSeo=] music video, and started dating in February 2014. Not long after former [=EXO=] member Kris came out saying that he was suing SM and leaving the company, [=BaekYeon=] were photographed in Taeyeon's car, driving with the top down and kissing in public. Fans of both groups went ''nuts'', calling Taeyeon an "fox in an elephant's skin" (a sly, deceitful woman who acts like a cute, innocent one) and a "slut" for (allegedly) dating four guys from the same company (she has also supposedly dated Leeteuk and Kangin of SuperJunior and Junsu of JYJ/TVXQ). They also claimed the two had been using fan gifts as well their Instagram accounts that were "made for the fans" to send messages to each other. Taeyeon originally tried to apologize through a post on her Instagram, but it was quickly deleted and her company kept her quiet. After landing in Japan for an event, Taeyeon found a fan who spoke Korean and cried, begging them to tell the fans online that she never meant to hurt them or use them and she hopes that they can forgive her. This seemed to have everyone pacified until one netizen pointed out in that in the paparazzi's pictures of the incident... She was wearing one black (or Baek in korean) stud and one white (or Hyun in korean) stud in her ear. [[OhCrap Uh-oh.]] As of August 2014, she and Baekhyun barely even touch their official Instagram accounts nor their alleged secret Instagram accounts for one another, "brntbbdass" (Born To Be Bad Ass) and "brntbbdassxoxo" (Born To Be Bad Ass [=XOXO=]).

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** There was a recent an incident on an "SNSD Confession" blog where an anti pretended to be a Sooyoungster and wrote several posts about things like "Sooyoung is so much prettier than stupid Yoona!" "Sooyoung should be the main singer of the group and Horsica and Hyogre should go die!". Cue ''furious'' backlash against Sones and Sooyoungsters, even after the anti revealed themselves and laughed at all the trouble they'd caused.
*** The treatment some Sones gave one of the admins of that blog deserves to be mentioned as well. One of the moderators, Ashley, said that Sooyoung was her least favourite member. She also has the misfortune of being the most active mod, and publishing a lot of (negative) confessions about Sooyoung (including those made by the aforementioned anti). Cue FanDumb, fandom dumb, wherein she even received ''death threats'' because people were convinced she was an anti and hated Sooyoung.
** There's currently another anti active on the blog - they call themselves "[=HungarianSone=]", and reblog every confession about Sooyoung with a nasty note attached. For example, they claimed she "would only be able to sell two albums" if SNSD ever broke up and went solo, and that she was "an ugly pathetic bitch who drag[s] the whole group down". Fandom opinion is that this is just a {{troll}} troll (or a STAND member), but ''still''.
* The Oreogate (Taeyeon/Baekhyun) scandal. ''Yikes.'' For those who don't know the whole story, Taeyeon and Baekhyun started talking after Baekhyun was in a [=TaeTiSeo=] music video, and started dating in February 2014. Not long after former [=EXO=] member Kris came out saying that he was suing SM and leaving the company, [=BaekYeon=] were photographed in Taeyeon's car, driving with the top down and kissing in public. Fans of both groups went ''nuts'', calling Taeyeon an "fox in an elephant's skin" (a sly, deceitful woman who acts like a cute, innocent one) and a "slut" for (allegedly) dating four guys from the same company (she has also supposedly dated Leeteuk and Kangin of SuperJunior Music/SuperJunior and Junsu of JYJ/TVXQ). They also claimed the two had been using fan gifts as well their Instagram accounts that were "made for the fans" to send messages to each other. Taeyeon originally tried to apologize through a post on her Instagram, but it was quickly deleted and her company kept her quiet. After landing in Japan for an event, Taeyeon found a fan who spoke Korean and cried, begging them to tell the fans online that she never meant to hurt them or use them and she hopes that they can forgive her. This seemed to have everyone pacified until one netizen pointed out in that in the paparazzi's pictures of the incident... She was wearing one black (or Baek in korean) Korean) stud and one white (or Hyun in korean) Korean) stud in her ear. [[OhCrap Uh-oh.]] As of August 2014, For a while, she and Baekhyun barely even touch their official Instagram accounts nor their alleged secret Instagram accounts for one another, "brntbbdass" (Born To Be Bad Ass) and "brntbbdassxoxo" (Born To Be Bad Ass [=XOXO=]).



*** One example of the hate she's getting came from an article saying that she and Red Velvet's [[http://netiz9n.tumblr.com/post/94601159696/red-velvets-irene-looks-similar-to-taeyeon leader Irene]] happened to look similar: "Irene is a million times prettier than that poophead dwarf Taeyeon".
** Taeyeon has recently [[http://netiz9n.tumblr.com/post/93734126896/taeyeon-makes-a-comeback-on-instagram returned to Instagram]], posting about [=SNSD=]'s 7th anniversary. Comments were kinder than normal, saying "She uploaded a picture celebrating their 7th anniversary.. this isn’t something you need to leave hate about", "I’m going to take screenshots of [=EXO=] fans posting hate and spread it around.. I really think they’re the bad apples of society.. I’m sure they’ll realize eventually that it’s not like they’ll stop dating just because of their one hate comment. Karma’s going to come back and it’s going to all land on your oppas receiving hate back tenfold", "[=EXO=]’s crazy fangirls, stop leaving hate on her page. It’s all going to result in people hating on your oppas anyway" and "I feel sad for them because they’re getting hurt just because they’re dating at an age when everyone else is dating.. They receive a lot of love from the public but also a lot of hate.. and yet, I’m jealous of how much money they make".

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*** ** One example of the hate she's getting came from an article saying that she and Red Velvet's [[http://netiz9n.tumblr.com/post/94601159696/red-velvets-irene-looks-similar-to-taeyeon leader Irene]] happened to look similar: "Irene is a million times prettier than that poophead dwarf Taeyeon".
** Taeyeon has recently [[http://netiz9n.tumblr.com/post/93734126896/taeyeon-makes-a-comeback-on-instagram returned to Instagram]], posting about [=SNSD=]'s 7th anniversary. Comments were kinder than normal, saying "She uploaded a picture celebrating their 7th anniversary.. this isn’t something you need to leave hate about", "I’m going to take screenshots of [=EXO=] fans posting hate and spread it around.. I really think they’re the bad apples of society.. I’m sure they’ll realize eventually that it’s not like they’ll stop dating just because of their one hate comment. Karma’s going to come back and it’s going to all land on your oppas receiving hate back tenfold", "[=EXO=]’s crazy fangirls, stop leaving hate on her page. It’s all going to result in people hating on your oppas anyway" and "I feel sad for them because they’re getting hurt just because they’re dating at an age when everyone else is dating.. They receive a lot of love from the public but also a lot of hate.. and yet, I’m jealous of how much money they make".



** Some k-netizens and fans, however, pointed out that Jessica had been rumored to be wanting to leave for a while (supposedly to get married - rumours of this had been circulating for nearly a year), so they found her announcement to be in very bad taste.
*** However, these marriage rumors were debunked as the supposed marriage partner in question denied the engagement and relationship multiple times himself and Jessica had never acknowledged him as more than just her business partner and the rumors of Jessica wanting to leave came from anonymous unverified sources that claim to be close with Jessica and the girls, so take it with a grain or two of salt.
* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[{{Irony}} "We are always one"]] and [[{{Irony}} "We can be divine"]] .

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taste. However, these marriage rumors were debunked as the supposed marriage partner in question denied the engagement and relationship multiple times himself and Jessica had never acknowledged him as more than just her business partner and the rumors of Jessica wanting to leave came from anonymous unverified sources that claim to be close with Jessica and the girls, so take it with a grain or two of salt.
* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine [=OT9=]/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[{{Irony}} "We are always one"]] and [[{{Irony}} "We can be divine"]] .
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* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines [[Irony "We are always one"]] and [[Irony "We can be divine"]] .

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* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines {{Irony "We are always one"}} and {{Irony "We can be divine"}} .

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* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines {{Irony [[Irony "We are always one"}} one"]] and {{Irony [[Irony "We can be divine"}} .divine"]] .
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* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines {{Irony "We are always one"}} and {{Irony "We can be divine"}} .

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* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines {{Irony "We are always one"}} and {{Irony "We can be divine"}} .divine"}} .
* At the end of their Tokyo Dome concert, the girls sang a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxGAU7YjkA4 new ballad version]] of their first single, "Into the New World." The moment was so emotional that Sunny could barely sing her parts since she was crying so hard. Several of the other girls followed suit.

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* Just shortly after Jessica's forced removal from the group, the group released their music video for their Japanese single "Divine", which was the last music video with all nine original members. Reactions ranged from heartbroken over the loss of OT9/Divine Nine to bitter over how Jessica received the lines {{Irony "We are always one"}} and {{Irony "We can be divine"}} .
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* As of 29 September 2014, '''The announcement that Jessica had been forced out of the group.''' SNSD had been one of the shining examples of girl groups who all got along and had stayed together for years upon years (almost 13-15 years as trainees and group members!) with little to no strife. While in New York, Jessica had woken up to start promotions with the group to find out that [[http://i.imgur.com/MSlsUej.png she was forced out of the group]] and [[http://i.imgur.com/Krn3C2D.png said so on her weibo in both English and Korean]]. She later released a full statement giving a timeline and stated how SM and Girls' Generation originally supported her wanting to own a business but only after she launched it, the girls changed their stance and called for a meeting and forced Jessica to choose between the group or her business. She then went to the company and they gave her permission once more, but then on the 29th, she was told to leave the group. SM fired back by stating that allegedly Jessica put her fashion company, her rumored boyfriend and wanting to go back to school in America for design a bigger priority over SNSD.

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* As of 29 September 2014, '''The announcement that Jessica had been forced out of the group.''' SNSD had been one of the shining examples of girl groups who all got along and had stayed together for years upon years (almost 13-15 years as trainees and group members!) with little to no strife. While in New York, Jessica had woken up to start promotions with the group to find out that [[http://i.imgur.com/MSlsUej.png she was forced out of the group]] and [[http://i.imgur.com/Krn3C2D.png said so on her weibo in both English and Korean]]. She later released a full statement giving a timeline and stated timeline, stating how SM and Girls' Generation originally supported her wanting to own a business but only after she launched it, the girls changed their stance and called for a meeting and forced Jessica to choose between the group or her business. She then went to the company and they gave her permission once more, but then on the 29th, she was told to leave the group. SM fired back by stating that allegedly Jessica put her fashion company, her rumored boyfriend and wanting to go back to school in America for design a bigger priority over SNSD.
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\"Allegedly\". Jessica had stated that she was given \"an unilateral demand from the company to leave Girls\' Generation\", meaning she was kicked out and the company agreed to that. Also, said company is one that uses smear tactics against talents who leave or are forced from their groups. Most rumors against Jessica are likely to come from the company or anti-fans and k-netizens who are trolling. Please do not use them as sources.

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\"Allegedly\". Jessica had stated that she was given \"an unilateral demand from the company to leave Girls\' Generation\", meaning she was kicked out and the company agreed to that. Also, said company is one that uses smear tactics against talents who leave or are forced from their groups. Most rumors against Jessica are likely to come from the company or anti-fans and k-netizens who are trolling. Please do not use them as sources.


* As of 29 September 2014, '''The announcement that Jessica had (allegedly) been forced out of the group.''' SNSD had been one of the shining examples of girl groups who all got along and had stayed together for years upon years (almost 13-15 years as trainees and group members!) with little to no strife. While in New York, Jessica had woken up to start promotions with the group to find out that [[http://i.imgur.com/MSlsUej.png she was forced out of the group]] and [[http://i.imgur.com/Krn3C2D.png said so on her weibo in both English and Korean]]. SM states that allegedly Jessica put her fashion company (that her fiancee, Tyler Kwon invested in) along with wanting to go back to school in America for design a bigger priority over SNSD.

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* As of 29 September 2014, '''The announcement that Jessica had (allegedly) been forced out of the group.''' SNSD had been one of the shining examples of girl groups who all got along and had stayed together for years upon years (almost 13-15 years as trainees and group members!) with little to no strife. While in New York, Jessica had woken up to start promotions with the group to find out that [[http://i.imgur.com/MSlsUej.png she was forced out of the group]] and [[http://i.imgur.com/Krn3C2D.png said so on her weibo in both English and Korean]]. She later released a full statement giving a timeline and stated how SM states and Girls' Generation originally supported her wanting to own a business but only after she launched it, the girls changed their stance and called for a meeting and forced Jessica to choose between the group or her business. She then went to the company and they gave her permission once more, but then on the 29th, she was told to leave the group. SM fired back by stating that allegedly Jessica put her fashion company (that company, her fiancee, Tyler Kwon invested in) along with rumored boyfriend and wanting to go back to school in America for design a bigger priority over SNSD.



** A lot of fans, however, pointed out that Jessica had been allegedly been wanting to leave for a while (supposedly to get married - rumours of this had been circulating for nearly a year), so they found her announcement to be in very bad taste - ''especially'' after she dragged all her other members through the mud.

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** A lot of Some k-netizens and fans, however, pointed out that Jessica had been allegedly been rumored to be wanting to leave for a while (supposedly to get married - rumours of this had been circulating for nearly a year), so they found her announcement to be in very bad taste - ''especially'' after she dragged all taste.
*** However, these marriage rumors were debunked as the supposed marriage partner in question denied the engagement and relationship multiple times himself and Jessica had never acknowledged him as more than just
her other members through the mud.business partner.

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