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* Ramona's backstory. After the Countess killed Ramona's boyfriend, Ramona moved back in with her parents. Her mother died soon after, and her father, who was already senile, got much worse due to his grief over his wife's death. He was getting worse and worse, until some robbers nearly killed him. Ramona infected him with the virus to save his life, but it didn't cure his dementia. He lived like that for multiple decades, sometimes not able to remember his daughter. After a long time, Ramona decided that since that her father was not himself anymore, she needed to put him out of his misery, so she very reluctantly drowned him in the bathtub.
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* Iris being [[spoiler: DrivenToSuicide]] by Donovan's claim that she was a bad mother.
** Later, Donovan [[spoiler: desperately trying to bring her back from the brink of death]] using the virus.
** At this point, you actually ''feel sorry'' for Donovan when [[spoiler: he tries to save Iris. While Iris ''obviously'' isn't the best mother, Liz Taylor told him straight forward: she did what she could for him, even if it wasn't enough. Imagine being in his shoes when he hits that realization, goes to apologize, only to find her ''dying''. Because of what '''he''' said. No wonder he jumps the gun with using the virus to save her]].
** Later, Donovan [[spoiler: desperately trying to bring her back from the brink of death]] using the virus.
** At this point, you actually ''feel sorry'' for Donovan when [[spoiler: he tries to save Iris. While Iris ''obviously'' isn't the best mother, Liz Taylor told him straight forward: she did what she could for him, even if it wasn't enough. Imagine being in his shoes when he hits that realization, goes to apologize, only to find her ''dying''. Because of what '''he''' said. No wonder he jumps the gun with using the virus to save her]].
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* Iris being[[spoiler: DrivenToSuicide]] DrivenToSuicide by Donovan's claim that she was a bad mother.
** Later, Donovan[[spoiler: desperately trying to bring her back from the brink of death]] death using the virus.
** At this point, you actually ''feel sorry'' for Donovan when[[spoiler: he tries to save Iris. While Iris ''obviously'' isn't the best mother, Liz Taylor told him straight forward: she did what she could for him, even if it wasn't enough. Imagine being in his shoes when he hits that realization, goes to apologize, only to find her ''dying''. Because of what '''he''' said. No wonder he jumps the gun with using the virus to save her]].her.
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* Alex telling John [[spoiler: that she wants a divorce]]. The look on his face when she said that is just ''devastating'', and veers towards BreakTheHaughty, especially when [[spoiler: he tells Alex that he loves her and asking if he did something wrong]]. Even when [[spoiler: Alex is just about to leave, he only holds onto her hand and simply begins to break down '''hard''', even concerning Alex as he just begs her to not leave him. It looks like he's about to suffer a panic attack]]!
** Even worse is that [[spoiler: Alex isn't divorcing him because he's a bad husband, but because she believes it'd be best for the two of them since Holden's disappearance. She even tells him that she loves him too]].
** Even worse is that [[spoiler: Alex isn't divorcing him because he's a bad husband, but because she believes it'd be best for the two of them since Holden's disappearance. She even tells him that she loves him too]].
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* Alex telling John [[spoiler: that she wants a divorce]]. divorce. The look on his face when she said that is just ''devastating'', and veers towards BreakTheHaughty, especially when [[spoiler: he tells Alex that he loves her and asking if he did something wrong]]. wrong. Even when [[spoiler: Alex is just about to leave, he only holds onto her hand and simply begins to break down '''hard''', even concerning Alex as he just begs her to not leave him. It looks like he's about to suffer a panic attack]]!
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** Even worse is that[[spoiler: Alex isn't divorcing him because he's a bad husband, but because she believes it'd be best for the two of them since Holden's disappearance. She even tells him that she loves him too]].too.
** Even worse is that
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* The Countess slitting [[spoiler: Tristan's]] throat in front of Liz after she says that she's in love with him.
** Worse at the fact that [[spoiler: Tristan and Liz become more closer and even Tristan becomes more open and emotionally connected to her, more than he already was with the Countess considering how she focuses more on screwing Will Drake than him]].
* John. He's lost his son and feels responsible for not paying enough attention to him, his wife [[spoiler:wants a divorce and later begins gaslighting him and trying to drive him insane to drive him away from the secrets she's keeping]], the ghosts at the hotel delight in psychologically and physically fucking with him in the most traumatizing ways possible (including [[spoiler:attacking and nearly killing him]], [[spoiler:drugging him and forcing him to watch other people be horribly murdered]], and [[spoiler:enticing him to a threesome that turns into a bloodbath]]), his only remaining child shows a marked lack of interest in being around him despite his efforts to reconnect and then [[spoiler:becomes ''terrified'' of him when she sees bloodsplatter on his sheets and him shooting a gun at the Countess's monster child in the house]], ''and'' [[spoiler:he's lost his job]] but remains obsessed with catching the perpetrator of a series of grisly murders, as though he's desperate for something he ''can'' fix. The poor guy is trying to keep it all together, but he's obviously on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
** [[AxeCrazy He finally loses it after]] [[spoiler: learning [[TomatoInTheMirror He's the Ten Commandments Killer successor]], having been chosen by James March. He confesses this to Hahn, along with his huge StartOfDarkness. After Hahn understandably doesn't believe him, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath he stabs Hahn to death & castrates him.]] After this, John becomes one with the Killer.]]
* [[spoiler: The Countess's love to her son Bartholomew. It's one of the few times in the show that you ''see'' the Countess in a loving light]].
** [[spoiler: We actually see her become sympathetic when we learn she developed a relationship with Rudolph Valentino (who gave her the vampire abilities) and Natacha Rambova, who James happily locked away in a location of the hotel as a means of revenge against her. She's '''immensely''' heartbroken]].
** [[spoiler: Even beforehand, she was heartbroken ''and'' pissed when Valentino reveals himself to her by not being dead, as well as Natacha knowing he was alive]].
** Worse at the fact that [[spoiler: Tristan and Liz become more closer and even Tristan becomes more open and emotionally connected to her, more than he already was with the Countess considering how she focuses more on screwing Will Drake than him]].
* John. He's lost his son and feels responsible for not paying enough attention to him, his wife [[spoiler:wants a divorce and later begins gaslighting him and trying to drive him insane to drive him away from the secrets she's keeping]], the ghosts at the hotel delight in psychologically and physically fucking with him in the most traumatizing ways possible (including [[spoiler:attacking and nearly killing him]], [[spoiler:drugging him and forcing him to watch other people be horribly murdered]], and [[spoiler:enticing him to a threesome that turns into a bloodbath]]), his only remaining child shows a marked lack of interest in being around him despite his efforts to reconnect and then [[spoiler:becomes ''terrified'' of him when she sees bloodsplatter on his sheets and him shooting a gun at the Countess's monster child in the house]], ''and'' [[spoiler:he's lost his job]] but remains obsessed with catching the perpetrator of a series of grisly murders, as though he's desperate for something he ''can'' fix. The poor guy is trying to keep it all together, but he's obviously on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
** [[AxeCrazy He finally loses it after]] [[spoiler: learning [[TomatoInTheMirror He's the Ten Commandments Killer successor]], having been chosen by James March. He confesses this to Hahn, along with his huge StartOfDarkness. After Hahn understandably doesn't believe him, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath he stabs Hahn to death & castrates him.]] After this, John becomes one with the Killer.]]
* [[spoiler: The Countess's love to her son Bartholomew. It's one of the few times in the show that you ''see'' the Countess in a loving light]].
** [[spoiler: We actually see her become sympathetic when we learn she developed a relationship with Rudolph Valentino (who gave her the vampire abilities) and Natacha Rambova, who James happily locked away in a location of the hotel as a means of revenge against her. She's '''immensely''' heartbroken]].
** [[spoiler: Even beforehand, she was heartbroken ''and'' pissed when Valentino reveals himself to her by not being dead, as well as Natacha knowing he was alive]].
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* The Countess slitting [[spoiler: Tristan's]] Tristan's throat in front of Liz after she says that she's in love with him.
** Worse at the fact that[[spoiler: Tristan and Liz become more closer and even Tristan becomes more open and emotionally connected to her, more than he already was with the Countess considering how she focuses more on screwing Will Drake than him]].
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* John. He's lost his son and feels responsible for not paying enough attention to him, his wife[[spoiler:wants wants a divorce and later begins gaslighting him and trying to drive him insane to drive him away from the secrets she's keeping]], keeping, the ghosts at the hotel delight in psychologically and physically fucking with him in the most traumatizing ways possible (including [[spoiler:attacking attacking and nearly killing him]], [[spoiler:drugging him, drugging him and forcing him to watch other people be horribly murdered]], murdered, and [[spoiler:enticing enticing him to a threesome that turns into a bloodbath]]), bloodbath), his only remaining child shows a marked lack of interest in being around him despite his efforts to reconnect and then [[spoiler:becomes becomes ''terrified'' of him when she sees bloodsplatter on his sheets and him shooting a gun at the Countess's monster child in the house]], house, ''and'' [[spoiler:he's he's lost his job]] job but remains obsessed with catching the perpetrator of a series of grisly murders, as though he's desperate for something he ''can'' fix. The poor guy is trying to keep it all together, but he's obviously on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
** [[AxeCrazy He finally loses it after]][[spoiler: learning [[TomatoInTheMirror He's the Ten Commandments Killer successor]], having been chosen by James March. He confesses this to Hahn, along with his huge StartOfDarkness. After Hahn understandably doesn't believe him, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath he stabs Hahn to death & castrates him.]] After this, John becomes one with the Killer.]]
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*[[spoiler: The Countess's love to her son Bartholomew. It's one of the few times in the show that you ''see'' the Countess in a loving light]].
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**[[spoiler: We actually see her become sympathetic when we learn she developed a relationship with Rudolph Valentino (who gave her the vampire abilities) and Natacha Rambova, who James happily locked away in a location of the hotel as a means of revenge against her. She's '''immensely''' heartbroken]].
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**[[spoiler: Even beforehand, she was heartbroken ''and'' pissed when Valentino reveals himself to her by not being dead, as well as Natacha knowing he was alive]].alive.
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* The ending of the show [[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden. It's heartbreaking to watch how he struggles to make it to hotel grounds so he can die there, only to be stopped just a few feet short.]].
*** Makes it worse that [[spoiler: John and Alex allowed Scarlet to be left to live with other relatives so that she could live a normal life and not be dragged into theirs. Even worse is in the end, John talks to a ''now full adult'' Scarlet]].
*** Might go into UnintentionallyUnsympathetic territory, [[spoiler: since it's clear by midpoint of the series that neither parent cared as much about her as they did Holden. While it might be argued that it was merciful, given that they were both pretty thoroughly off their rocker it seemed likely that if they did see her as their child they would have brought her to the Hotel too. Instead it's implied she was just sent off to get her out of the way.]]
* The ending of the show [[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden. It's heartbreaking to watch how he struggles to make it to hotel grounds so he can die there, only to be stopped just a few feet short.]].
*** Makes it worse that [[spoiler: John and Alex allowed Scarlet to be left to live with other relatives so that she could live a normal life and not be dragged into theirs. Even worse is in the end, John talks to a ''now full adult'' Scarlet]].
*** Might go into UnintentionallyUnsympathetic territory, [[spoiler: since it's clear by midpoint of the series that neither parent cared as much about her as they did Holden. While it might be argued that it was merciful, given that they were both pretty thoroughly off their rocker it seemed likely that if they did see her as their child they would have brought her to the Hotel too. Instead it's implied she was just sent off to get her out of the way.]]
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* Doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, but Iris and Liz carrying [[spoiler: Donovan]] Donovan out of the Cortez after he has been fatally shot, so he can die without being stuck inside the hotel for all eternity.
* The ending of the show[[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden. It's heartbreaking to watch how he struggles to make it to hotel grounds so he can die there, only to be stopped just a few feet short.]].
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*** Makes it worse that[[spoiler: John and Alex allowed Scarlet to be left to live with other relatives so that she could live a normal life and not be dragged into theirs. Even worse is in the end, John talks to a ''now full adult'' Scarlet]].
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*** Might go into UnintentionallyUnsympathetic territory,[[spoiler: since it's clear by midpoint of the series that neither parent cared as much about her as they did Holden. While it might be argued that it was merciful, given that they were both pretty thoroughly off their rocker it seemed likely that if they did see her as their child they would have brought her to the Hotel too. Instead it's implied she was just sent off to get her out of the way.]]
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*** Makes it worse that [[spoiler: John and Alex allowed Scarlet to be left to live with other relatives so that she could live a normal life and not be dragged into theirs. Even worse is in the end, John talks to a ''now full adult'' Scarlet]].Scarlet]].
*** Might go into UnintentionallyUnsympathetic territory, [[spoiler: since it's clear by midpoint of the series that neither parent cared as much about her as they did Holden. While it might be argued that it was merciful, given that they were both pretty thoroughly off their rocker it seemed likely that if they did see her as their child they would have brought her to the Hotel too. Instead it's implied she was just sent off to get her out of the way.]]
*** Might go into UnintentionallyUnsympathetic territory, [[spoiler: since it's clear by midpoint of the series that neither parent cared as much about her as they did Holden. While it might be argued that it was merciful, given that they were both pretty thoroughly off their rocker it seemed likely that if they did see her as their child they would have brought her to the Hotel too. Instead it's implied she was just sent off to get her out of the way.]]
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* The ending of the show [[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden]].Holden. It's heartbreaking to watch how he struggles to make it to hotel grounds so he can die there, only to be stopped just a few feet short.]].
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** The ending of the show [[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden]].
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** The ending of the show [[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden]].
*** Makes it worse that [[spoiler: John and Alex allowed Scarlet to be left to live with other relatives so that she could live a normal life and not be dragged into theirs. Even worse is in the end, John talks to a ''now full adult'' Scarlet]].
** The ending of the show [[spoiler: concludes with it being later on 2022 with John revealed to have died while returning to the Hotel Cortez while being on the run with Alex and Holden]].
*** Makes it worse that [[spoiler: John and Alex allowed Scarlet to be left to live with other relatives so that she could live a normal life and not be dragged into theirs. Even worse is in the end, John talks to a ''now full adult'' Scarlet]].
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