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* The StandardFantasyRaces are more common in HighFantasy, but not unknown here. Others just use part of the palette (humans and elves most of the time). Still others keep humans, often PeopleOfHairColor, but add in [[{{Mythopoeia}} other races all their own]]; this is, in fact, the older form, with such {{Trope Maker}}s and {{Trope Codifier}}s as Creator/RobertEHoward, who added [[FrazettaMan ape-men]], [[LizardFolk snake men]], and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s to a basically human world, and Creator/FritzLeiber who populated Nehwon with humans and "ghouls" -- humanoids transparent except for their bones.

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* The StandardFantasyRaces are more common in HighFantasy, but not unknown here. Others just use part of the palette (humans and elves most of the time). Still others keep humans, often PeopleOfHairColor, but add in [[{{Mythopoeia}} other races all their own]]; this is, in fact, the older form, with such {{Trope Maker}}s and {{Trope Codifier}}s as Creator/RobertEHoward, who added [[FrazettaMan ape-men]], [[LizardFolk [[SnakePeople snake men]], and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s to a basically human world, and Creator/FritzLeiber who populated Nehwon with humans and "ghouls" -- humanoids transparent except for their bones.
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* How about switching around the FarmBoy of the HighFantasy with the Barbarian of the HeroicFantasy? It could make for some interesting (and comedic) moments when the so-called hero of the land is just this wee lad with his father's hereditary blade.

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* How about switching around the BarbarianHero of the HeroicFantasy with the FarmBoy of the HighFantasy with the Barbarian of the HeroicFantasy? ? It could make for some interesting (and comedic) moments when the so-called hero of the land is just this wee lad with his father's hereditary blade.

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* The "heroic" barbarian isn't so heroic as the ''story'' makes him out to be; Instead, he'll be viewed by the public as a complete maniac who [[BloodKnight has an endless, slakeless thirst for blood]], and will usually run his weapon through whoever pisses him off (that is to say, [[HairTriggerTemper just about anybody]]). ''Nobody'' is safe from his wrath, [[OneManArmy and no army can ever hope to feasibly stop him]], with the nation that sent the army to deal with him following suit as he leaves a trail of destruction in his wake.

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* The "heroic" barbarian isn't so heroic as the ''story'' makes him out to be; Instead, he'll be viewed by the public as a complete maniac who [[BloodKnight has an endless, slakeless thirst for blood]], and will usually run his weapon through whoever and whatever pisses him off (that is to say, [[HairTriggerTemper just about anybody]]). anybody and anything respectively]]). ''Nobody'' is safe from his wrath, [[OneManArmy and no army can ever hope to feasibly stop him]], with the nation that sent the army to deal with him following suit as he leaves a trail of destruction in his wake.wake.
* How about switching around the FarmBoy of the HighFantasy with the Barbarian of the HeroicFantasy? It could make for some interesting (and comedic) moments when the so-called hero of the land is just this wee lad with his father's hereditary blade.
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* The "heroic" barbarian isn't so heroic as the ''story'' makes him out to be; Instead, he'll be viewed by the public as a complete maniac who [[BloodKnight has an endless, slakeless thirst for blood]], and will usually run his weapon through whoever pisses him off (that is to say, [[HairTriggerTemper just about anybody]]). ''Nobody'' is safe from his wrath.

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* The "heroic" barbarian isn't so heroic as the ''story'' makes him out to be; Instead, he'll be viewed by the public as a complete maniac who [[BloodKnight has an endless, slakeless thirst for blood]], and will usually run his weapon through whoever pisses him off (that is to say, [[HairTriggerTemper just about anybody]]). ''Nobody'' is safe from his wrath.wrath, [[OneManArmy and no army can ever hope to feasibly stop him]], with the nation that sent the army to deal with him following suit as he leaves a trail of destruction in his wake.
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* The "heroic" barbarian isn't so heroic as the ''story'' makes him out to be; Instead, he'll be viewed by the public as a complete maniac who [[BloodKnight has an endless, slakeless thirst for blood]], and will usually run his weapon through whoever pisses him off (that is to say, [[HairTriggerTemper just about anybody]]). ''Nobody'' is safe from his wrath.
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* Magic. You gotta have magic. While in some cases [[{{Demythification}} there isn't any magic altogether]], the vast, ''vast'' majority of Heroic Fantasy has some sort of magic. It's not called Sword And '''Sorcery''' for nothing.

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* Magic. You gotta have magic. While in some cases [[{{Demythification}} there isn't any magic altogether]], at all]], the vast, ''vast'' majority of Heroic Fantasy has some sort of magic. It's not called Sword And '''Sorcery''' for nothing.

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Seems more Sword and Sorcery rather than Heroic Fantasy.


** While your hero may do incidental good deeds -- saving the VirginSacrifice from the SecretCircleOfSecrets is a favorite -- most heroes are looking out for their own interests in Heroic Fantasy.




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*Are you going to have an anti-hero or a genuinely good person? Your character's morals will affect your work--If they're an anti-hero, it'll be Sword And Sorcery. If they're a good person, it's Heroic Fantasy.



Heroic Fantasy is, in fact, the traditional home of the AntiHero -- TheHero generally prefers HighFantasy -- but to make up for that, the Bad Guys are traditionally very bad indeed. The ReligionOfEvil, practicing VirginSacrifice to summon demons; the EvilSorcerer meddling with ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow; the supernatural in origin [[TheVamp vamp]] and other {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. Do not stint on your bad guys!

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Heroic Fantasy is, in fact, the traditional home of the AntiHero -- TheHero generally prefers HighFantasy -- but to make up for that, the Bad Guys are traditionally very bad indeed. The ReligionOfEvil, practicing VirginSacrifice to summon demons; the EvilSorcerer meddling with ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow; the supernatural in origin [[TheVamp vamp]] and other {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. Do not stint on your bad guys!




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*It is possible for them to be a good person-having them go on a quest to save their hometown or someone they care about is a possible plot.

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* The genre's roots in the 1930s, and certain later writers who wanted to go '''back''' to the 1930s, have led to critiques of elements of the genre as sexist, racist and fascist. While there's nothing wrong with being inspired by older works, be careful to avoid replicating those problematic elements, as people are far less likely to turn a blind eye to them in the modern day.
* There are already heaps of Conan clones running around. Do something different instead of just adding another one to the pile.
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* The FiveRaces are more common in HighFantasy, but not unknown here. Others just use part of the quintet (humans and elves most of the time). Still others keep humans, often PeopleOfHairColor, but add in [[{{Mythopoeia}} other races all their own]]; this is, in fact, the older form, with such {{Trope Maker}}s and {{Trope Codifier}}s as Creator/RobertEHoward, who added [[FrazettaMan ape-men]], [[LizardFolk snake men]], and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s to a basically human world, and Creator/FritzLeiber who populated Nehwon with humans and "ghouls" -- humanoids transparent except for their bones.

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* The FiveRaces StandardFantasyRaces are more common in HighFantasy, but not unknown here. Others just use part of the quintet palette (humans and elves most of the time). Still others keep humans, often PeopleOfHairColor, but add in [[{{Mythopoeia}} other races all their own]]; this is, in fact, the older form, with such {{Trope Maker}}s and {{Trope Codifier}}s as Creator/RobertEHoward, who added [[FrazettaMan ape-men]], [[LizardFolk snake men]], and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s to a basically human world, and Creator/FritzLeiber who populated Nehwon with humans and "ghouls" -- humanoids transparent except for their bones.



* The setting in Heroic Fantasy is almost invariably a kingdom or empire, more often than not one where the ruler is aged and decrepit, and enemies are poised to tear the [[VestigialEmpire once mighty empire]] to pieces. While this certainly does add tension to the story, this plot element has become so common as to almost become cliché. While it might have worked for the Romans, or [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Tolkien]], you want to distinguish yourself from the pack. Why not try for a setting where the primary ruling power in the region is a [[TheFederation republic of]] the FiveRaces. Or perhaps the setting is TheEmpire, but it is at the height of its power, and the protagonists discover a group wishing to destroy it from the inside (like ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'', but with elves).

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* The setting in Heroic Fantasy is almost invariably a kingdom or empire, more often than not one where the ruler is aged and decrepit, and enemies are poised to tear the [[VestigialEmpire once mighty empire]] to pieces. While this certainly does add tension to the story, this plot element has become so common as to almost become cliché. While it might have worked for the Romans, or [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Tolkien]], you want to distinguish yourself from the pack. Why not try for a setting where the primary ruling power in the region is a [[TheFederation republic of]] the FiveRaces.heroic races. Or perhaps the setting is TheEmpire, but it is at the height of its power, and the protagonists discover a group wishing to destroy it from the inside (like ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'', but with elves).



* LeftJustifiedFantasyMap. "Humans came from a mysterious continent to the east and that's all we know about it; I see no reason to find out more" translates to TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot. Have the FiveRaces launch (or have launched) a counter-expedition. Or a follow-up expedition.

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* LeftJustifiedFantasyMap. "Humans came from a mysterious continent to the east and that's all we know about it; I see no reason to find out more" translates to TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot. Have the FiveRaces heroic races launch (or have launched) a counter-expedition. Or a follow-up expedition.
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* Magic. You gotta have magic. While in some cases [[{{Demythtification}} there isn't any magic altogether]], the vast, ''vast'' majority of Heroic Fantasy has some sort of magic. It's not called Sword And '''Sorcery''' for nothing.

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* Magic. You gotta have magic. While in some cases [[{{Demythtification}} [[{{Demythification}} there isn't any magic altogether]], the vast, ''vast'' majority of Heroic Fantasy has some sort of magic. It's not called Sword And '''Sorcery''' for nothing.
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* [[Heroic Fantasy Heroic Fantasies]] oftentimes have a stagnant culture, with slavery being prominent, ample FantasticRacism, and huge [[SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality gap between the two sexes]]. Why not create a Heroic Fantasy where men and women are treated equally, or one where one of the major subplots is the orc struggle for civil rights?

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* [[Heroic Fantasy Heroic Fantasies]] Fantasies oftentimes have a stagnant culture, with slavery being prominent, ample FantasticRacism, and huge [[SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality gap between the two sexes]]. Why not create a Heroic Fantasy where men and women are treated equally, or one where one of the major subplots is the orc struggle for civil rights?
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HeroicFantasy is oftentimes described as pertaining to a certain aspect of fantasy (or alternatively, swords and sorcery fantasy), but its actually a rather blurred line between this genre and some of the other genres of fantasy. Tends to be distinguishable from HighFantasy by its scale — the problems are generally those of the hero, not the world — and moral standards — absolute evil and absolute good make fewer appearances. (Well, absolute good makes fewer. Absolute evil, in the form of a ReligionOfEvil, an EldritchAbomination or the like, makes a convenient foe.) Also by its tendency to be an endless series of adventure, partly because the smaller scale makes it more plausible, and partly because the heroes are very prone to love being InHarmsWay.

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HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasy is oftentimes described as pertaining to a certain aspect of fantasy (or alternatively, swords and sorcery fantasy), but its actually a rather blurred line between this genre and some of the other genres of fantasy. Tends to be distinguishable from HighFantasy by its scale — the problems are generally those of the hero, not the world — and moral standards — absolute evil and absolute good make fewer appearances. (Well, absolute good makes fewer. Absolute evil, in the form of a ReligionOfEvil, an EldritchAbomination or the like, makes a convenient foe.) Also by its tendency to be an endless series of adventure, partly because the smaller scale makes it more plausible, and partly because the heroes are very prone to love being InHarmsWay.



* Last but not least, HeroicFantasy needs an adventurer to do the adventuring required by the genre. Originally, a la Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian, a mighty warrior with an endless love of InHarmsWay, providing an occasion for his endless adventures against {{Evil Sorcerer}}s, {{Sorcerous Overlord}}s, [[ReligionOfEvil Religions Of Evil]], and monsters of every kind, and a distinct tendency to AntiHero-dom, mitigated only by the absolute nastiness of his foes. Sometimes a woman warrior; Literature/JirelOfJoiry was the first character (not just female character) to follow in Conan's footsteps.
** While your hero may do incidental good deeds -- saving the VirginSacrifice from the SecretCircleOfSecrets is a favorite -- most heroes are looking out for their own interests in HeroicFantasy.

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* Last but not least, HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasy needs an adventurer to do the adventuring required by the genre. Originally, a la Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian, a mighty warrior with an endless love of InHarmsWay, providing an occasion for his endless adventures against {{Evil Sorcerer}}s, {{Sorcerous Overlord}}s, [[ReligionOfEvil Religions Of Evil]], and monsters of every kind, and a distinct tendency to AntiHero-dom, mitigated only by the absolute nastiness of his foes. Sometimes a woman warrior; Literature/JirelOfJoiry was the first character (not just female character) to follow in Conan's footsteps.
** While your hero may do incidental good deeds -- saving the VirginSacrifice from the SecretCircleOfSecrets is a favorite -- most heroes are looking out for their own interests in HeroicFantasy.Heroic Fantasy.



* Number of Books. Literature/ConanTheBarbarian loves InHarmsWay and would never stop adventuring. Many lesser known heroes of HeroicFantasy have similar sentiments. Since their problems tend to be personal rather than world-shaking in scale, they can indeed have a whole sequence of unrelated conflicts to go on for as long as your imagination holds out.

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* Number of Books. Literature/ConanTheBarbarian loves InHarmsWay and would never stop adventuring. Many lesser known heroes of HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasy have similar sentiments. Since their problems tend to be personal rather than world-shaking in scale, they can indeed have a whole sequence of unrelated conflicts to go on for as long as your imagination holds out.



* The setting in HeroicFantasy is almost invariably a kingdom or empire, more often than not one where the ruler is aged and decrepit, and enemies are poised to tear the [[VestigialEmpire once mighty empire]] to pieces. While this certainly does add tension to the story, this plot element has become so common as to almost become cliché. While it might have worked for the Romans, or [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Tolkien]], you want to distinguish yourself from the pack. Why not try for a setting where the primary ruling power in the region is a [[TheFederation republic of]] the FiveRaces. Or perhaps the setting is TheEmpire, but it is at the height of its power, and the protagonists discover a group wishing to destroy it from the inside (like ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'', but with elves).
* [[HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasies]] oftentimes have a stagnant culture, with slavery being prominent, ample FantasticRacism, and huge [[SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality gap between the two sexes]]. Why not create a Heroic Fantasy where men and women are treated equally, or one where one of the major subplots is the orc struggle for civil rights?

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* The setting in HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasy is almost invariably a kingdom or empire, more often than not one where the ruler is aged and decrepit, and enemies are poised to tear the [[VestigialEmpire once mighty empire]] to pieces. While this certainly does add tension to the story, this plot element has become so common as to almost become cliché. While it might have worked for the Romans, or [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Tolkien]], you want to distinguish yourself from the pack. Why not try for a setting where the primary ruling power in the region is a [[TheFederation republic of]] the FiveRaces. Or perhaps the setting is TheEmpire, but it is at the height of its power, and the protagonists discover a group wishing to destroy it from the inside (like ''[[Series/TwentyFour 24]]'', but with elves).
* [[HeroicFantasy [[Heroic Fantasy Heroic Fantasies]] oftentimes have a stagnant culture, with slavery being prominent, ample FantasticRacism, and huge [[SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality gap between the two sexes]]. Why not create a Heroic Fantasy where men and women are treated equally, or one where one of the major subplots is the orc struggle for civil rights?



* While HeroicFantasy characters are typically lone wanderers, consider making them a member of a wider organization [[CowboyCop (albeit most likely a rebellious member)]].

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* While HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasy characters are typically lone wanderers, consider making them a member of a wider organization [[CowboyCop (albeit most likely a rebellious member)]].



HeroicFantasy is, in fact, the traditional home of the AntiHero -- TheHero generally prefers HighFantasy -- but to make up for that, the Bad Guys are traditionally very bad indeed. The ReligionOfEvil, practicing VirginSacrifice to summon demons; the EvilSorcerer meddling with ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow; the supernatural in origin [[TheVamp vamp]] and other {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. Do not stint on your bad guys!

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HeroicFantasy Heroic Fantasy is, in fact, the traditional home of the AntiHero -- TheHero generally prefers HighFantasy -- but to make up for that, the Bad Guys are traditionally very bad indeed. The ReligionOfEvil, practicing VirginSacrifice to summon demons; the EvilSorcerer meddling with ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow; the supernatural in origin [[TheVamp vamp]] and other {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. Do not stint on your bad guys!
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** It's also possible to update the setting by using UrbanFantasy or ScienceFantasy.

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** It's also possible to update the setting by using UrbanFantasy or ScienceFantasy.
ScienceFantasy elements.
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* Consider making your protagonist's exploits part of a wider conflict.

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