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* {{Leitmotif}}: As the composer of both shows, Blake Neely's able to pit his Flash and Green Arrow themes against each other during Oliver and Barry's fight.

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* EyelashFluttering: Iris does this when she flirts with Oliver at Jitters.
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* {{Irony}}: The Arrow, a dark and brooding vigilante who has no problem wounding (or killing, if necessary), is on good terms with the Starling City Police Department, while the Flash, who is inherently upbeat, more fun, is very much opposed to killing and will do things like stop and help out someone painting a building, is considered a threat by the Central City Police Department.

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* {{Irony}}: The Arrow, a dark and brooding vigilante who has no problem wounding (or killing, if necessary), is on good terms with the Starling City Police Department, while the Flash, who is inherently upbeat, more fun, is very much opposed to killing and will do things like stop and help out someone painting a building, is considered a threat by the Central City Police Department. That being said the Central City police are even less thrilled to have The Arrow in town because he's a vigilante with a body count and want him gone ASAP.
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* IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight: Arrow even utters "I still believe in you, Barry." near the end of their fight.

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* IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight: Arrow even utters utters, "I still believe in you, Barry." Barry," near the end of their fight.



** Also Barry has a series of these while under the HatePlague. Specifically he points out that Caitlin is treating him like Ronnie, calls out Singh for getting on his case despite the fact that he does his job to the best of his ability, and calls out Joe for putting his father in jail.

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** Also Barry has a series of these while under the HatePlague. Specifically he points out that Caitlin is treating him like Ronnie, calls out Singh for getting on his case despite the fact that he does his job to the best of his ability, and calls out Joe for putting his innocent father in jail.

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* RealityEnsues:
** Just as [[SympatheticInspectorAntagonist Quentin Lance]] did at first over on ''Arrow'', Joe West's trust in the Arrow is sketchy given the fact that he killed many people in the past, and is therefore technically a criminal as well.
** While it is ultimately a tie, Barry ''all but destroys'' Oliver when they fight, as to be expected by someone with his powers against a guy with a bow and arrow. The show plays to both of their strength and shows Oliver relying on trickery and catching Barry off-guard, which works to keep him in the fight despite Barry's power, letting Joe and Wells activate the machine to de-rage him.
** However, Barry's inexperience leads to several humiliating moments for him: Oliver first stuns him with explosive arrows, hits him with a tranq arrow, then actually manages to land a blow on Barry with his bow while Barry was [[FlashStep arrogantly dodging]]. He then hurls a flechette into Barry's ankle, severing his tendon and [[UntouchableUntilTagged removing his speed advantage.]] If Oliver had fought to kill, Barry would have been dead from the start.
** Barry thinks he can convince Iris that the Flash is not himself when he attacked Eddie, but Iris just completely lost faith in her hero.


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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** Just as [[SympatheticInspectorAntagonist Quentin Lance]] did at first over on ''Arrow'', Joe West's trust in the Arrow is sketchy given the fact that he killed many people in the past, and is therefore technically a criminal as well.
** While it is ultimately a tie, Barry ''all but destroys'' Oliver when they fight, as to be expected by someone with his powers against a guy with a bow and arrow. The show plays to both of their strength and shows Oliver relying on trickery and catching Barry off-guard, which works to keep him in the fight despite Barry's power, letting Joe and Wells activate the machine to de-rage him.
** However, Barry's inexperience leads to several humiliating moments for him: Oliver first stuns him with explosive arrows, hits him with a tranq arrow, then actually manages to land a blow on Barry with his bow while Barry was [[FlashStep arrogantly dodging]]. He then hurls a flechette into Barry's ankle, severing his tendon and [[UntouchableUntilTagged removing his speed advantage.]] If Oliver had fought to kill, Barry would have been dead from the start.
** Barry thinks he can convince Iris that the Flash is not himself when he attacked Eddie, but Iris just completely lost faith in her hero.
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* TheStinger: Two muggers apprehend a seemingly-homeless guy...only for the guy to explode into flame, revealing that a) Ronnie's alive, and b) he's got ComicBook/{{Firestorm}} powers.

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* TheStinger: Two muggers apprehend a seemingly-homeless guy...only for the guy to explode into flame, revealing that a) Ronnie's alive, and b) he's got ComicBook/{{Firestorm}} ComicBook/{{Firestorm|DCComics}} powers.
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems amused by Iris's unconcealed crush on Oliver. It helps that [[{{Adorkable}} Oliver just has an awkward grin the entire time.]]

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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems amused by Iris's unconcealed crush on Oliver. It helps that [[{{Adorkable}} Oliver just has an awkward grin the entire time.]]
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* HypocriticalHumor: Oliver says that they need to discuss Barry's use of "silly codenames" for his enemies. Barry counters by suggesting that they have that conversation "over coffee with Deathstroke and The Huntress." Although ARGUS gave Deathstroke his and Huntress was an ally of Olivers when Detective Lance gave dubbed her "the huntress".

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* HypocriticalHumor: Oliver says that they need to discuss Barry's use of "silly codenames" for his enemies. Barry counters by suggesting that they have that conversation "over coffee with Deathstroke and The the Huntress." Although ARGUS gave Deathstroke his and Huntress was an ally of Olivers Oliver's when Detective Lance gave dubbed her "the huntress".Huntress".
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* GreenEyedMonster: Toyed with; Barry accuses Oliver of this, due to Ollie's tough love approach to training him making him think he's hard on him out of resentment. Played straight with Barry's HatePlague-induced attack on Eddie, who he still holds ''some'' resentment for because he's dating Iris (though in this case, his eyes turn ''red''). Eddie himself is noted to ''also'' be at least partially jealous of Iris's HeroWorship of the Flash, which is largely why he pushes to get a task force to deal with him assembled.

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* GreenEyedMonster: Toyed with; Barry accuses Oliver of this, due to Ollie's tough love approach to training him making him think he's hard on him out of resentment. Played straight with Barry's HatePlague-induced attack on Eddie, who whom he still holds ''some'' resentment for because he's dating Iris (though in this case, his eyes turn ''red''). Eddie himself is noted to ''also'' be at least partially jealous of Iris's HeroWorship of the Flash, which is largely why he pushes to get a task force to deal with him assembled.
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems amused by Iris' unconcealed crush on Oliver. It helps that [[{{Adorkable}} Oliver just has an awkward grin the entire time.]]

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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems amused by Iris' Iris's unconcealed crush on Oliver. It helps that [[{{Adorkable}} Oliver just has an awkward grin the entire time.]]



* GreenEyedMonster: Toyed with; Barry accuses Oliver of this, due to Ollie's tough love approach to training him making him think he's hard on him out of resentment. Played straight with Barry's HatePlague-induced attack on Eddie, who he still holds ''some'' resentment for because he's dating Iris (though in this case, his eyes turn ''red''). Eddie himself is noted to ''also'' be at least partially jealous of Iris' HeroWorship of the Flash, which is largely why he pushes to get a task force to deal with him assembled.

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* GreenEyedMonster: Toyed with; Barry accuses Oliver of this, due to Ollie's tough love approach to training him making him think he's hard on him out of resentment. Played straight with Barry's HatePlague-induced attack on Eddie, who he still holds ''some'' resentment for because he's dating Iris (though in this case, his eyes turn ''red''). Eddie himself is noted to ''also'' be at least partially jealous of Iris' Iris's HeroWorship of the Flash, which is largely why he pushes to get a task force to deal with him assembled.



* UnfortunateNames: Iris' implied reaction to the Flash saying his [[BlatantLies "real name"]].

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* UnfortunateNames: Iris' Iris's implied reaction to the Flash saying his [[BlatantLies "real name"]].



** Caitlin repeatedly points out to Barry that by constantly involving the Flash with Iris, it's almost as if he's trying to break her and Eddie up. The most apparent is when, directly after she tells him to "stop ruining Iris' love life" and go do his superhero work, he ''immediately'' hits on Iris by heavily implying she's the only girl he talks that way about.

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** Caitlin repeatedly points out to Barry that by constantly involving the Flash with Iris, it's almost as if he's trying to break her and Eddie up. The most apparent is when, directly after she tells him to "stop ruining Iris' Iris's love life" and go do his superhero work, he ''immediately'' hits on Iris by heavily implying she's the only girl he talks that way about.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: Oliver points out (with crossbow bolts) that there's no excuse for Barry to be caught by surprise by someone setting up traps or other surprises when with his speed he should have plenty of time to scout out an area before confronting his opponent.

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Oliver points out (with crossbow bolts) that there's no excuse for Barry to be caught by surprise by someone setting up traps or other surprises when with his speed he should have plenty of time to scout out an area before confronting his opponent.



* TheKilljoy: Oliver. Amongst other critiques he has of Barry's operation is "giving his enemies silly code names"...which Barry points out the authorities do about Oliver's own rogues in Starling City.



* StopHavingFunGuys: Oliver. Amongst other critiques he has of Barry's operation is "giving his enemies silly code names"...which Barry points out the authorities do about Oliver's own rogues in Starling City.
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* EatingTheEyeCandy: Iris comments Oliver's attractiveness to Barry.

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* EatingTheEyeCandy: Iris comments Oliver's attractiveness openly fawns over Oliver and gushes to Barry.Barry about how attractive he is.



* HypocriticalHumor: Oliver says that they need to discuss Barry's use of "silly codenames" for his enemies. Barry counters by suggesting that they have that conversation "over coffee with Deathstroke and The Huntress." Although ARGUS gave Deathstroke his and Huntress was a ally when Oliver gave her hers.

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* HypocriticalHumor: Oliver says that they need to discuss Barry's use of "silly codenames" for his enemies. Barry counters by suggesting that they have that conversation "over coffee with Deathstroke and The Huntress." Although ARGUS gave Deathstroke his and Huntress was a an ally of Olivers when Oliver Detective Lance gave dubbed her hers."the huntress".
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems quite amused by Iris' unconcealed crush on Oliver.

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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems quite amused by Iris' unconcealed crush on Oliver.Oliver. It helps that [[{{Adorkable}} Oliver just has an awkward grin the entire time.]]
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Felicity seems quite amused by Iris' unconcealed crush on Oliver.

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** Oliver's parallels to Batman are given another nod with how Wells tells Oliver that Robert would have been proud of what he had become, a more direct version of the ending of ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'', where Bruce recieved a letter from his father Thomas which presumably contained [[SoProudOfYou the same message]].



* StopHavingFunGuy: Oliver. Amongst other critiques he has of Barry's operation is "giving his enemies silly code names"...which Barry points out the authorities do about Oliver's own rogues in Starling City.

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* StopHavingFunGuy: StopHavingFunGuys: Oliver. Amongst other critiques he has of Barry's operation is "giving his enemies silly code names"...which Barry points out the authorities do about Oliver's own rogues in Starling City.
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* CreditsGag: During the first cut-away after Oliver shows up, the "Flash" logo is pierced by an arrow.
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* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: Played with; Joe does not like Arrow operating in his city, believing him to be a lunatic, and his methods are not welcome. Oliver's Starling City is very much a corrupt WretchedHive on the brink of collapse, while Central City was more like an average city until the particle accelerator explosion. So while Oliver has to be a hardline vigilante out of necessity, Barry is able to bit less cynical and more playful which leads to their conflicting heroic ideals: Oliver wants to stop crime by punish criminals, Barry just want to help people.

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* SupermanStaysOutOfGotham: Played with; Joe does not like Arrow operating in his city, believing him to be a lunatic, and his methods are not welcome. Oliver's Starling City is very much a corrupt WretchedHive on the brink of collapse, while Central City was more like an average city until the particle accelerator explosion. So while Oliver has to be a hardline vigilante out of necessity, Barry is able to bit less cynical and more playful which leads to their conflicting heroic ideals: Oliver wants to stop crime by punish punishing criminals, Barry just want to help people.
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** Wells and Joe aren't happy that Barry is friends with Green Arrow.
** Felicity delivers a soft one to Oliver because he is reluctant to help Barry with Bivolo even after Barry defended him from Wells and Joe.
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* EatingTheEyeCandy: Iris comments Oliver's attractiveness to Barry.

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