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* IronicEcho: Spencer scoffs when Simon suggests he make this new season "for the fans", claiming that his own creative vision is more important than appeasing the demands of his viewers. After killing both Simon and Gavin, and using their ideas to make a full series revival, Spencer is just as popular and successful as ever, and now plans to use Gavin’s notebook to write out the events of the renewed seasons. The episode ends as Loretta asks him for a statement over the phone.
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* IronicEcho: Spencer scoffs when Simon suggests he make this new season "for the fans", claiming that his own creative vision is more important than appeasing the demands of his viewers. After killing both Simon and Gavin, and using their ideas to make a full series revival, Spencer is just as popular and successful as ever, and now plans to use Gavin’s Gavin's notebook to write out the events of the renewed seasons. The episode ends as Loretta asks him for a statement over the phone.
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* AscendedFanfic: In-universe. Gavin's notebooks lay out the rebooted ''The Ninth Circle'' that Spencer ultimately uses, crossing over with AscendedFanon. (It's not made clear how closely they overlap.)
* AscendedFanon: In-universe. Simon doesn't seem to do much actual writing, but most of the ideas for the reboot/next series come from him.
* AscendedFanon: In-universe. Simon doesn't seem to do much actual writing, but most of the ideas for the reboot/next series come from him.
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* AscendedFanfic: In-universe. Gavin's notebooks lay out the rebooted continued ''The Ninth Circle'' that Spencer ultimately uses, crossing over with AscendedFanon. (It's not made clear how closely they overlap.)
* AscendedFanon: In-universe. Simon doesn't seem to do much actual writing, but most of the ideas for thereboot/next next series come from him.
* AscendedFanon: In-universe. Simon doesn't seem to do much actual writing, but most of the ideas for the
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* {{Blackmail}}: Simon uses [[CaughtOnTape video footage]] of Spencer's alleged manslaughter of a fan to force him to reboot his series. It [[BlackmailBackfire doesn't end well]] for Simon.
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* {{Blackmail}}: Simon uses [[CaughtOnTape video footage]] of Spencer's alleged manslaughter of a fan to force him to reboot continue his series. It [[BlackmailBackfire doesn't end well]] for Simon.
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* IronicEcho: Spencer scoffs when Simon suggests he make this new episode "for the fans", claiming that his own creative vision is more important than appeasing the demands of his viewers. After killing both Simon and Gavin, and using their ideas to make a full series revival, Spencer is just as popular and successful as ever, and now directly interacts with his fanbase to discreetly plagiarise even more of their work. The episode ends as Loretta asks him for a statement over the phone.
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* IronicEcho: Spencer scoffs when Simon suggests he make this new episode season "for the fans", claiming that his own creative vision is more important than appeasing the demands of his viewers. After killing both Simon and Gavin, and using their ideas to make a full series revival, Spencer is just as popular and successful as ever, and now directly interacts with his fanbase plans to discreetly plagiarise even more use Gavin’s notebook to write out the events of their work.the renewed seasons. The episode ends as Loretta asks him for a statement over the phone.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Film/{{Deathtrap}}''. Both plots are about an older playwright who went out of touch with his audience and who winds up forced into collaborating on a script with a younger amateur writer. Psychological warfare, HomoeroticSubtext and a murder twist included.
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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: In-universe. ''The Ninth Circle'''s final season 7 wasn't well received by the fanbase which causes fanboy Simon to take things into his own hand and try to pressure the creator into adding a PostscriptSeason to undo the events of the original ending.
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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: In-universe. ''The Ninth Circle'''s final season 7 wasn't well received by the fanbase which causes caused fanboy Simon to take things into his own hand hands and try to pressure the creator into adding a PostscriptSeason to undo the events of the original ending.
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* {{Blackmail}}: Simon uses [[CaughtOnTape video footage]] of Spencer's alleged manslaughter of a fan to force him to reboot his series. It [[BlackmailBackfire doesn't end well]] for Simon.
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* ChekhovsGun: Simon picks up one of Spencer's many trophies early on, commenting how easily it could be used as a [[TrophyViolence murder weapon]]. He later uses it to pretend to stab Gavin as part of his "audition", while Spencer finally uses the same trophy to beat Gavin to death after killing Simon.
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* ChekhovsGun: Simon picks up one of Spencer's many trophies early on, commenting on how easily it could be used as a [[TrophyViolence murder weapon]]. He later uses it to pretend to stab Gavin as part of his "audition", while Spencer finally uses the same trophy to beat Gavin to death after killing Simon.
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* ForcedCreativity: LoonyFan Simon forces Spencer Maguire, the creator of the hit fantasy show ''The Ninth Circle'', to write and produce a PostscriptSeason based on Simon's ideas that undoes most of the [[AudienceAlienatingEnding controversial original conclusion]] (the entire thing being an obvious reference to the contested finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'').
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* ForcedCreativity: LoonyFan Simon forces Spencer Maguire, the creator of the hit fantasy show ''The Ninth Circle'', to write and produce a PostscriptSeason based on Simon's ideas that undoes undo most of the [[AudienceAlienatingEnding controversial original conclusion]] (the entire thing being an obvious reference to the contested finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'').
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* ThousandYardStare: Spencer sports an incredibly haunted expression when he believes Gavin has been KilledOffForReal by Simon.
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* ThousandYardStare: Spencer sports an incredibly haunted expression when he believes Gavin has been KilledOffForReal killed by Simon.Simon for real.
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Simon is right about the unsatisfying ending of ''The Ninth Circle'' and Spencer's apathy to it and his fans. Spencer is right that Simon's methods for reviving the show are illegal and utterly deranged.
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* GoneHorriblyRight: As part of his 'audition' for the part of the Baron, Simon pretends to murder Gavin right in front of Spencer and then use the incident to reinstate the blackmail against him. Spencer is completely convinced by this - to the point that he now has a motive to murder Simon to cover his tracks.
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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: In-universe. ''The Ninth Circle'''s final season 7 wasn't well received by the fanbase which causes fanboy Simon to take things into his own hand and try to pressure the creator into adding a PostscriptSeason to undo the events of the original ending.
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wrong trope for the occasion. see Creators Apathy
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* TorchTheFranchiseAndRun: InUniverse. By Season 7, Spencer had no intention of continuing ''Ninth Circle'' any further, and wanted to wrap the series up as soon as possible so he could pursue other projects.
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* AscendedFanfic: Gavin's notebooks lay out the rebooted ''The Ninth Circle'' that Spencer ultimately uses, crossing over with AscendedFanon. (It's not made clear how closely they overlap.)
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* AscendedFanfic: In-universe. Gavin's notebooks lay out the rebooted ''The Ninth Circle'' that Spencer ultimately uses, crossing over with AscendedFanon. (It's not made clear how closely they overlap.)
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* ForcedCreativity: LoonyFan Simon forces Spencer Maguire, the creator of the hit fantasy show ''The Ninth Circle'', to write and produce a PostscriptSeason based on Simon's ideas that undoes most of the controversial original conclusion (the entire thing being an obvious reference to the contested finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'').
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* ForcedCreativity: LoonyFan Simon forces Spencer Maguire, the creator of the hit fantasy show ''The Ninth Circle'', to write and produce a PostscriptSeason based on Simon's ideas that undoes most of the [[AudienceAlienatingEnding controversial original conclusion conclusion]] (the entire thing being an obvious reference to the contested finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'').
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* TrophyViolence: Simon kills Gavin with Spencer's trophy. Subverted when it turns out it was a staged murder.
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* TrophyViolence: Simon kills Gavin with Spencer's trophy. Subverted when it turns out it was a staged murder.murder, then played straight when Spencer actually does kill him with it.
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* OutDamnedSpot: Spencer desperately trying to get rid of the bloodstains.
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* BetterThanCanon: In-universe. ''Everybody'' ultimately preferred Simon and Gavin's fanfic resurrection of ''The Ninth Circle'', with even Spencer's own agent admitting that she does.
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* ForcedCreativity: LoonyFan Simon forces Spencer Maguire, the creator of the hit fantasy show ''The Ninth Circle'', to write and produce a PostscriptSeason based on Simon's ideas that undoes most of the controversial original conclusion (the entire thing being an obvious reference to the contested finale of ''Series/GameOfThrones'').
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* RecycledInSpace: ''Literature/{{Misery}}'' with male speculative-fiction nerds (particularly, but not exclusively, fans of ''Series/GameOfThrones''). At least at first. There are multiple twists.
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scifi or fantasy?
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* RecycledInSpace: ''Literature/{{Misery}}'' with male science-fiction nerds (particularly, but not exclusively, fans of ''Series/GameOfThrones''). At least at first. There are multiple twists.
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* RecycledInSpace: ''Literature/{{Misery}}'' with male science-fiction speculative-fiction nerds (particularly, but not exclusively, fans of ''Series/GameOfThrones''). At least at first. There are multiple twists.
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* IMadeCopies: Spencer feels secure after deleting the compromising video from Simon's phone but later Simon reveals that the clip has already been uploaded to the cloud.
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* TrophyViolence: Simon kills Gavin with his Spencer's trophy. Subverted when it turns out it was a staged murder.
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* TrophyViolence: Simon kills Gavin with his Spencer's trophy. Subverted when it turns out it was a staged murder.
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* ChekhovsGun: Simon picks up one of Spencer's many trophies early on, commenting how easily it could be used as a murder weapon. He later uses it to pretend to stab Gavin as part of his "audition", while Spencer finally uses the same trophy to beat Gavin to death after killing Simon.
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* ChekhovsGun: Simon picks up one of Spencer's many trophies early on, commenting how easily it could be used as a [[TrophyViolence murder weapon.weapon]]. He later uses it to pretend to stab Gavin as part of his "audition", while Spencer finally uses the same trophy to beat Gavin to death after killing Simon.
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* PyrrhicVictory: Simon and Gavin get exactly what they wanted - a rewritten ending to ''The Ninth Circle'' with Gavin's notebook and Simon's ideas - but both die and neither get any credit.
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* PyrrhicVictory: Simon and Gavin get exactly what they wanted - a rewritten ending to ''The Ninth Circle'' with Gavin's notebook and Simon's ideas - but both die and neither get gets any credit.
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* SmashToBlack: The scene cuts to black when Spencer kills Gavin with the trophy.
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* SmashToBlack: The scene cuts to black when Spencer kills Gavin [[TrophyViolence with the trophy.trophy]].
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* BadBadActing: Reece Shearsmith's re-enactment of a scene from the show during their podcast. Played with by his later performance when he kills Gavin. It's hammy but is so aligned with Simon's behavior up until then that Spencer believes it.
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* BadBadActing: Reece Shearsmith's Simon's re-enactment of a scene from the show during their podcast. Played with by his later performance when he kills Gavin. It's hammy but is so aligned with Simon's behavior up until then that Spencer believes it.
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Spencer is right that Simon's methods range from insane to creepy and illegal. Simon is right about the fate of ''The Ninth Circle''.
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Simon is right about the unsatisfying ending of ''The Ninth Circle'' and Spencer's apathy to it and his fans. Spencer is right that Simon's methods range from insane to creepy for reviving the show are illegal and illegal. Simon is right about the fate of ''The Ninth Circle''. utterly deranged.
* ChekhovsGun: Simon picks up one of Spencer's many trophies early on, commenting how easily it could be used as a murder weapon. He later uses it to pretend to stab Gavin as part of his "audition", while Spencer finally uses the same trophy to beat Gavin to death after killing Simon.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Simon picks up the pivotal trophy early on, commenting how easily one could smash in someone's head with it.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Simon picks up When he seemingly kills Gavin, Simon's language is suddenly [[FloweryElizabethanEnglish much hammier]], similar to the pivotal trophy early on, commenting how easily one could smash in someone's head with it.earlier scene where he read a scene from the show on his podcast. This blatantly hints that he's [[BadBadActing just in-character]].
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* HomoeroticSubtext: Invoked. Simon hugs Spencer on his bed after apparently killing Gavin. Gavin reveals that Spencer's "seduction" was part of the audition.
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* HomoeroticSubtext: Invoked. Simon hugs Spencer on his bed after apparently killing Gavin. Gavin reveals that Spencer's "seduction" was part of the audition. audition, for a scene in their episode that was going to revolve around a man seducing a woman.
* IronicEcho: Spencer scoffs when Simon suggests he make this new episode "for the fans", claiming that his own creative vision is more important than appeasing the demands of his viewers. After killing both Simon and Gavin, and using their ideas to make a full series revival, Spencer is just as popular and successful as ever, and now directly interacts with his fanbase to discreetly plagiarise even more of their work. The episode ends as Loretta asks him for a statement over the phone.
-->'''Spencer:''' Tell them that I'm doing it... ''[[SlasherSmile for the fans]]''.
-->'''Spencer:''' Tell them that I'm doing it... ''[[SlasherSmile for the fans]]''.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: While their way of going about it was highly unethical, everybody except Spencer actually agrees with Simon and Gavin that the final season was a terrible ending. Even those involved with making the show hated it, according to Loretta.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: While their way of going about it was highly unethical, everybody except Spencer actually agrees with Simon and Gavin that the final season was a terrible ending. Even ending, to the point where even those involved with making the show hated it, according to Loretta.Loretta. After he kills Simon and Gavin, Spencer's revival of the show using their ideas is significantly better received.
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* MostWritersAreWriters: Steve Pemberton plays showrunner and writer Spencer.
* OneHitKill: Simon pretends that Spencer did this to Gavin.
* OneHitKill: Simon pretends that Spencer did this to Gavin.
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* MostWritersAreWriters: ''Inside No. 9'' writer and co-creator Steve Pemberton plays showrunner and writer Spencer.
* OneHitKill: Simon pretends that Spencer did this to Gavin.
* OneHitKill: Simon pretends that Spencer did this to Gavin.
* RomancingTheWidow: In-universe. One of Simon's ideas for the revival is a storyline where an evil Baron seduces the wife of one of his victims. He suggests playing the role of the Baron himself, and later pretends to murder Gavin in front of Spencer as his "audition" for it.
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* StalkerWithACrush: Simon for Spencer, possibly. Gavin mentions that Simon owns photoshopped pictures of Spencer without clothes on. He also "seduces" Spencer later on.
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** There is also the infamous [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon online petition]], signed by over 100,000 fans, requesting to remove the ninth episode of the Star Wars franchise ''Film/TheLastJedi'' from canon and re-make it "properly".
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** There is also the infamous [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon online petition]], signed by over 100,000 fans, requesting demanding to remove the ninth episode eighth instalment of the Star Wars franchise ''Film/TheLastJedi'' ''Star Wars'' franchise, ''Film/TheLastJedi'', from canon and re-make it "properly".
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: On the backlash after ''Series/GameOfThrones''' controversial Season 8 ending, with hints in dialogue that both are high fantasy shows with a lot of characters and magical creatures.
** There is also the online petition, signed by over 100,000 fans, requesting to remove the ninth episode of the Star Wars franchise ''Film/TheLastJedi'' from canon and re-make it "properly".
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** On the backlash after ''Series/GameOfThrones''' controversial Season 8 ending, with hints in dialogue that both are high fantasy shows with a lot of characters and magical creatures.
** There is also the infamous [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon onlinepetition, petition]], signed by over 100,000 fans, requesting to remove the ninth episode of the Star Wars franchise ''Film/TheLastJedi'' from canon and re-make it "properly".
** On the backlash after ''Series/GameOfThrones''' controversial Season 8 ending, with hints in dialogue that both are high fantasy shows with a lot of characters and magical creatures.
** There is also the infamous [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon online
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* CreatorsApathy: InUniverse. Part of the reason behind Season 7’s lacklustre reception was Spencer’s desperation to just finish the series so he could move on to other things. He quickly grows tired of both Simon and Gavin’s questions about the series, often admitting that he doesn’t care or even remember the moments and details they’re referring to.
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* CreatorsApathy: InUniverse. Part of the reason behind Season 7’s 7's lacklustre reception was Spencer’s Spencer's desperation to just finish the series so he could move on to other things. He quickly grows tired of both Simon and Gavin’s Gavin's questions about the series, often admitting that he doesn’t doesn't care or even remember the moments and details they’re they're referring to.
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* {{Foil}}: Gavin and Simon represent the two different sides of the stereotypical fan base. Gavin passionately loves the series and dislikes its ending, but he means no harm and still respects and admires Spencer despite his misgivings, only hoping that Spencer would care to read his alternative ideas. In contrast, Simon is portrayed as deranged and entitled, being unhealthily obsessed with the show and Spencer to the point where he resorts to coercion and blackmail to force his way into Spencer’s life.
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* {{Foil}}: Gavin and Simon represent the two different sides of the stereotypical fan base. Gavin passionately loves the series and dislikes its ending, but he means no harm and still respects and admires Spencer despite his misgivings, only hoping that Spencer would care to read his alternative ideas. In contrast, Simon is portrayed as deranged and entitled, being unhealthily obsessed with the show and Spencer to the point where he resorts to coercion and blackmail to force his way into Spencer’s Spencer's life.
