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* GenderNeutralWriting: In the NA version, the protagonist is only referred to with gender neutral pronouns in a dream.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Moriarty's called "Professor M" in the event proper. However, you note that he antagonizes Holmes at every opportunity, even laughs when his counterpart Sherigham gets offed early. Even if you don't know his name, anyone with familiarity with the lore would figure out the identity.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Moriarty's called "Professor M" in the event proper. However, you note that he antagonizes Holmes at every opportunity, even laughs when his counterpart Sherigham gets offed early. Even if you don't know his name, anyone with familiarity familiar with the lore would figure out the identity.
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* AllForNothing: In a way. Sadly, this all canonically happens before the Lostbelts, which means that, no matter what happened to the families after this, all was washed away by the Foreign God attacking Earth.
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AllForNothing: In a way. Sadly, this all canonically happens before the lostbelts, which means that, no matter what happened to the families after this, all was washed away by the Foreign God attacking Earth.
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AllForNothing: In a way. Sadly, this all canonically happens before the lostbelts, which means that, no matter what happened to the families after this, all was washed away by the Foreign God attacking Earth.
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* DyingClue: Chris gives two after his murder, first wrote "mor" with his blood then broke his prized watch he got from Ann so it stopped at 11:25. It's deduced he was trying to write a clue to his killer's identity and the time was approximately when he was killed. It's originally believed he was trying to write "morris", but Moriarty notes it was more likely he was trying write "mom" but couldn't finish writing the last "m" and left it a "r" before he succumbed.
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* DyingClue: Chris gives two after his murder, first wrote "mor" with his blood then broke his prized watch he got from Ann so it stopped at 11:25. It's deduced he was trying to write a clue to his killer's identity and the time was approximately when he was killed. It's originally believed he was trying to write "morris", but Moriarty notes it was more likely he was trying write "mom" but couldn't finish writing ran out of blood before finishing the last "m" and left "m," leaving it a "r" before he succumbed.
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* DramaticIrony: Once TheReveal is shown, with Harriet being the murderer all along, her marriage to Adamska, who looks like Lancelot, is layered with extra irony as she's the one who committed adultery in the story.
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* RedHerring: Morris is seen at first as Chris' killer until his corpse was found. Then Eva has seemed as the guilty one until she reveals that Harriet was the mother. This one is due to the protagonist subconscially thinking that [[spoiler: Raikou]] was Eva due to how the former [[spoiler: kept calling herself mother.]] Finally, Mash thought Ann was the culprit due to being Chris' mother.
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* RedHerring: Morris is seen at first as Chris' killer until his corpse was found. Then Eva has seemed as the guilty one until she reveals that Harriet was the mother. This one is due to the protagonist subconscially subconsciously thinking that [[spoiler: Raikou]] Raikou was Eva due to how the former [[spoiler: kept calling herself mother.]] mother. Finally, Mash thought Ann was the culprit due to being Chris' mother.
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* RedHearing: Morris is seems at first as Chris' killer until his corpse was found. Then Eva has seemed as the guilty one until she reveals that Harriet was the mother. This one is due to the protagonist subconscially thinking that [[spoiler: Raikou]] was Eva due to how the former [[spoiler: kept calling herself mother.]] Finally, Mash thought Ann was the culprit due to being Chris' mother.
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* RedHearing: RedHerring: Morris is seems seen at first as Chris' killer until his corpse was found. Then Eva has seemed as the guilty one until she reveals that Harriet was the mother. This one is due to the protagonist subconscially thinking that [[spoiler: Raikou]] was Eva due to how the former [[spoiler: kept calling herself mother.]] Finally, Mash thought Ann was the culprit due to being Chris' mother.
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* RedHearing: Morris is seems at first as Chris' killer until his corpse was found. Then Eva has seemed as the guilty one until she reveals that Harriet was the mother. This one is due to the protagonist subconscially thinking that [[spoiler: Raikou]] was Eva due to how the former [[spoiler: kept calling herself mother.]] Finally, Mash thought Ann was the culprit due to being Chris' mother.
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* FeudingFamilies: The Violets and Goldies are rival crime families who have fought for years for control over a certain city. While the heads have decided to bury their feud by marrying their families together due to a new enemy attacking both of them, they both know a good portion of their members wouldn't agree thus they are going on this trip in secret. It's this reason that Juliet goes through with the marriage despite hints that she's in love with the person the protagonist is possessing
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* FeudingFamilies: The Violets and Goldies are rival crime families who have fought for years for control over a certain city. While the heads have decided to bury their feud by marrying their families together due to a new enemy attacking both of them, they both know a good portion of their members wouldn't agree thus they are going on this trip in secret. It's this reason that Juliet goes through with the marriage despite hints that she's in love with the person the protagonist is possessingpossessing. It's also revealed by Harriet this was the reason she never revealed to her father she was pregnant by Aaron, as she was afraid the families would have gone to open war.
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** In the backstory, Harriet's father arranged her marriage to Adamska.
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** In the backstory, Harriet's father arranged her marriage to Adamska. Harriet notes that had she admitted she was pregnant by Aaron to him, she might have been arranged to marry Aaron instead...that, or their families would have gone to full-out war.
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* AndTheAdventureContinues: Even with the murders at the Kogetsukan over, there are plenty of questions remaining such as how will the Violet and Goldie families deal with the enemy that brought about the alliance in the first place, will Cain be able to reform both families as he promised and will Juliet and the person the protagonist is possessing get together?
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* ArrangedMarriage: The Violet and Goldie families are attempting to create an alliance with an arranged marriage between their eldest children. The murders keep changing who will get married till it's Laurie and Cain.
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** The Violet and Goldie families are attempting to create an alliance with an arranged marriage between their eldest children. The murders keep changing who will get married till it's Laurie andCain.Cain.
** In the backstory, Harriet's father arranged her marriage to Adamska.
** The Violet and Goldie families are attempting to create an alliance with an arranged marriage between their eldest children. The murders keep changing who will get married till it's Laurie and
** In the backstory, Harriet's father arranged her marriage to Adamska.
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* PoorCommunicationKills: A lot could have been avoided if Harriet had been able to a) tell someone that she was pregnant by Aaron, or b) tell Morris/Chris that they were about to become engaged to their own sister.
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* EasilyForgiven: When it looks like Morris might have been the one to kill Chris, Aaron is just pleased at the prospect that one of his sons is still around and yells that he'll get Morris a top lawyer if he comes back.
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* SurpriseIncest: The motive for the murders, as the Violet girls [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe are actually Aaron's daughters]] and their mother wants to prevent them from marrying one of their half-brothers.
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* ThemeTwinNaming: It initially seems that Harriet and Juliet are this. After TheReveal, Holmes points out that Juliet and Eva are actually each named after one of their (supposed) parents.
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* PolarOppositeTwins: Reserved, dutiful Juliet and lively, outgoing Eva.
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* SelfDisposingVillain: [[spoiler:After confessing to the murders, Harriet collapses and dies from taking poison]].
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* SelfDisposingVillain: [[spoiler:After After confessing to the murders, Harriet collapses and dies from taking poison]].the poison she used on Chris.
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* WhamLine: [[spoiler:Eva calls Harriet "Mother" at the end of the penultimate chapter]].
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* WhamLine: [[spoiler:Eva Eva calls Harriet "Mother" at the end of the penultimate chapter]].chapter.
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* FairPlayWhodunnit: Because the entire event originally hinged on the players deducing the correct culprit to get in-game rewards, it's structured to give them a chance at figuring it out by merely paying attention to the family dynamics and working from there.
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* FairPlayWhodunnit: Because the entire event originally hinged on the players deducing the correct culprit to get in-game rewards, it's structured to give them a chance at figuring it out by merely paying attention to the family dynamics and working from there. In fact, each story chapter in the event is titled after one of the items in Knox's Decalogue.
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* SelfDisposingVillain: [[spoiler:After confessing to the murders, Harriet collapses and dies from taking poison]].
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* WhamLine: [[spoiler:Eva calls Harriet "Mother" at the end of the penultimate chapter]].
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* PerceptionFilter: Somehow, the protagonist sees characters differently from how they actually are in real life. Holmes notes this before his [[{{TheSummation deduction of the events}}]], to give the players a clue as to who the culprit really is.
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* PerceptionFilter: Somehow, the protagonist sees characters differently from how they actually are in real life. Holmes notes this before his [[{{TheSummation [[TheSummation deduction of the events}}]], events]], to give the players a clue as to who the culprit really is.
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* YearInsideHourOutside: The protagonist is possessing Rikka over the course of several days; however for Chaldea it has all been a single night. Meaning later events in Kogetsukan are in the future.
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* {{Irony}}: Holmes' FakingTheDead could have only worked if Hawthorne, who looks like Moriarty to the players, played.
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* {{Irony}}: Holmes' FakingTheDead could have only worked if Hawthorne, who looks like Moriarty to the players, played.played along.
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* {{Irony}}: Holmes' FakingTheDead could have only worked if Hawthorne, who looks like Moriarty to the players, played.
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* StableTimeLoop: After hearing about the protagonist's dream, Holmes theorizes that Sheringham might be himself pretending to be someone else. After convincing Da Vinci to let him rayshift, Holmes recreated his actions from the protagonist's dream using what he heard and his own deductions.
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* SecretKeeper: Hawkthorne actually knew "Sheringham" faked his death so that the mystery can be solved.
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* SecretKeeper: Hawkthorne Hawthorne actually knew "Sheringham" faked his death so that the mystery can be solved.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Moriarty's called "Professor M" in the event proper, and antagonizes Holmes at every opportunity, even laughs when his counterpart Sherigham gets offed early. Even if you don't know his name, anyone with familiarity with the lore would figure out the identity.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Moriarty's called "Professor M" in the event proper, and proper. However, you note that he antagonizes Holmes at every opportunity, even laughs when his counterpart Sherigham gets offed early. Even if you don't know his name, anyone with familiarity with the lore would figure out the identity.
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* PerceptionFilter: Somehow, the protagonist sees characters differently from how they actually are in real life. Holmes notes this before his [[{{TheSummation deduction of the events}}]], to give the players a clue as to who the culprit really is.
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* SecretKeeper: Hawkthorne actually knew "Sheringham" faked his death so that the mystery can be solved.
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* DyingClue: Chris gives two after his murder, first wrote "mor" with his blood then broke his prized watch he got from Ann so it stopped at 11:25.
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* DyingClue: Chris gives two after his murder, first wrote "mor" with his blood then broke his prized watch he got from Ann so it stopped at 11:25. It's deduced he was trying to write a clue to his killer's identity and the time was approximately when he was killed. It's originally believed he was trying to write "morris", but Moriarty notes it was more likely he was trying write "mom" but couldn't finish writing the last "m" and left it a "r" before he succumbed.
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* MentalTimeTravel: A notable twist in the story is that the Protagonist's dreams take place in the future and not in their present. When Holmes figures this fact out, he tracks down where Kogetsukan is and inserts himself into the story as Sheringham.
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* MafiaPrincess: Juliet is this currently and her mother, Eva was this in the past. Juliet's family has scared away everyone except the person the protagonist is possessing and Dr. Hawthorne admits he was close with Eva in their youth but simply too scared to make a move on her due to her family.
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* MafiaPrincess: Juliet is this currently and her mother, Eva Harriet was this in the past. Juliet's family has scared away everyone except the person the protagonist is possessing and Dr. Hawthorne admits he was close with Eva Harriet in their youth but simply too scared to make a move on her due to her family.
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Eva is the mom, not Harriet.
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* MafiaPrincess: Juliet is this currently and her mother, Harriet was this in the past. Juliet's family has scared away everyone except the person the protagonist is possessing and Dr. Hawthorne admits he was close with Harriet in their youth but simply too scared to make a move on her due to her family.
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* MafiaPrincess: Juliet is this currently and her mother, Harriet Eva was this in the past. Juliet's family has scared away everyone except the person the protagonist is possessing and Dr. Hawthorne admits he was close with Harriet Eva in their youth but simply too scared to make a move on her due to her family.