Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Quotes / ValuesDissonance

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''"I was 10 years old when I first saw WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail, and I thought, ''Yes! That looks delightful! Sure, there's a mildly unpleasant boat ride at the beginning, but after that, you get to take a flight around New York on an inexplicably French pigeon.'' But to the modernimmigrant, that film is now a lie. A lie told by a friendly rodent"''
-->-- '''JohnOliver''', ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


'''Principal''': [[LampshadeHanging We do not deal with such things the same way as you do back in America. In Japan, children are expected to deal with such things on their own]]. [[MiseryBuildsCharacter It toughens them up]].\\
'''Mrs. Coyote''': [[DrivenToSuicide Until they fling themselves off top of one of your school buildings]].

to:

'''Principal''': [[LampshadeHanging We do not deal with such things the same way as you do back in America. ]] In Japan, children are expected to deal with such things on their own]].own. [[MiseryBuildsCharacter It toughens them up]].\\
'''Mrs. Coyote''': Until they [[DrivenToSuicide Until they fling themselves off top of one of your school buildings]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

->Captain Archer is stunned when his steward Daniels declares that Enterprise is the focal point of a Temporal Cold War, in which the sexist exploitation of the 1960's conflicts with the political correctness of the 90's which in turn struggles against the militarism of the post-9/11 era.
-->-- ''Next week on [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'', a ParodyFic by Odon
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''"This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions."''
-->-- Content warning in the description of basically every classic Creator/{{Disney}} cartoon short and non-Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon animated feature on Creator/DisneyPlus
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in the U.S. society. These depictions were wrong then and they are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed.''
-->Introduction disclaimer presented by Creator/WhoopiGoldberg on ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry Spotlight Collection'' and ''Vol. 1'' digital release

to:

->''The ->''"The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in the U.S. society. These depictions were wrong then and they are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed.''
-->Introduction disclaimer
"''
-->ContentWarning
presented by Creator/WhoopiGoldberg on ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry Spotlight Collection'' and ''Vol. 1'' digital release
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in the U.S. society. These depictions were wrong then and they are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed.''
-->Introduction disclaimer presented by Creator/WhoopiGoldberg on ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry Spotlight Collection'' and ''Vol. 1'' digital release
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''An "animated cocktail napkin" about killing the wife, the sort of thing "they won't make today". Keep in mind that Americans were then jaded to the idea by shows like ''ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS''.''

to:

->''An "animated cocktail napkin" about killing the wife, the sort of thing "they won't make today". Keep in mind that Americans were then jaded to the idea by shows like ''ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS''.''Series/AlfredHitchcockPresents''.''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture'', ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue Why so Blue?]]''

to:

-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture'', ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue [[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue Why so Blue?]]''Blue?]]

Changed: 17

Removed: 14

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture'', ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue
Why so Blue?]]

to:

-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture'', ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue
''[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue Why so Blue?]]Blue?]]''

Added: 14

Changed: 45

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture''

to:

-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture''''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture'', ''[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue
Why so Blue?]]

Added: 191

Removed: 157

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None




->''Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How can the thing [[ItsWhatIDo we've always done]] [[HeelRaceTurn just suddenly be wrong?]]''
-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture''




->''Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How can the thing we've always done just suddenly be wrong?''
-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How can the thing we've always done just suddenly be wrong?''
-->'''Lapis Lazuli''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''"But you gotta note that the tings I'm mocking and pointing out now were everywhere at the time, and that if i'd have pointed them out back then, the only reaction i'd have gotten would have been a "Yes, and?" "''
-->'''WebVideo/JoueurDuGrenier''', on the racial stereotype, sheer pervertedness of the men, and so on, ''AB Productions Special episode''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[folder:Fan Works]]

->'''[[OriginalCharacter Mrs. Coyote]]''': [[AdultsAreUseless You've been letting]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer this boy and his friends bully a Quirkless child]]?\\
'''Principal''': [[LampshadeHanging We do not deal with such things the same way as you do back in America. In Japan, children are expected to deal with such things on their own]]. [[MiseryBuildsCharacter It toughens them up]].\\
'''Mrs. Coyote''': [[DrivenToSuicide Until they fling themselves off top of one of your school buildings]].
-->-- '''Fanfic/{{Coyote}}'''

[[/folder]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''"What's hard to miss are the far less politically correct jokes, which [=StarVista=] thankfully hasn't removed, noting that [[ViewerDiscretionAdvised it was a different time]]. It's amazing now to hear people make jokes about Italians and Polish people, but it's rather stunning to hear one comic make a watermelon joke... only to have Rickles follow it up with his jive impersonation. Better to know the past than to pretend it never happened."''

to:

->''"What's hard to miss are the far less politically correct jokes, which [=StarVista=] thankfully hasn't removed, noting that [[ViewerDiscretionAdvised it was a different time]].time. It's amazing now to hear people make jokes about Italians and Polish people, but it's rather stunning to hear one comic make a watermelon joke... only to have Rickles follow it up with his jive impersonation. Better to know the past than to pretend it never happened."''

Added DiffLines:


->''An "animated cocktail napkin" about killing the wife, the sort of thing "they won't make today". Keep in mind that Americans were then jaded to the idea by shows like ''ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS''.''
-->--'''Milton Knight''' talks about ''The Plot Sickens'' (1961)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''"One of the inevitabilities of living in a culture that’s actively working to both acknowledge and dismantle the systemic behaviors that have long served to disenfranchise women and minorities is that it’s become really, really easy to point out the ways in which the pop culture of yore is, well, not good. Such critiques are rarely indicative of the quality of the storytelling, but rather the pricklier qualities of the lessons imparted therein and the question of just what the children of today are culling from them. Just as public perceptions of D. W. Griffith’s ''[[Film/TheBirthOfANation Birth Of A Nation]]'' changed with the rise of public discourse around race, so too shall the sacred cows of yesteryear be reassessed as we deepen and refine our discussions around identity and sexuality."''

to:

->''"One of the inevitabilities of living in a culture that’s actively working to both acknowledge and dismantle the systemic behaviors that have long served to disenfranchise women and minorities is that it’s become really, really easy to point out the ways in which the pop culture of yore is, well, not good. Such critiques are rarely indicative of the quality of the storytelling, but rather the pricklier qualities of the lessons imparted therein and the question of just what the children of today are culling from them. Just as public perceptions of D. W. Griffith’s ''[[Film/TheBirthOfANation ''[[Film/TheBirthOfANation1915 Birth Of A Nation]]'' changed with the rise of public discourse around race, so too shall the sacred cows of yesteryear be reassessed as we deepen and refine our discussions around identity and sexuality."''

Added: 2046

Changed: 4

Removed: 1978

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[folder:Web Animation]]
->''"...what a lot of people forget about early cartoons [...] is that they could be really fucking dark. See, back then, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids it wasn't generally understood that kids needed to have their delicate sensibilities protected, as odds were pretty good they were all going to die in a European trench war before they turned eighteen, anyway]]. So thematically, cartoons were lighter on wholesome lessons about friendship and heavier on skeletons and racism."''
-->--'''Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw''', likening ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}''[='=]s animation style to UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation, in WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNN2etNrBoE review]] of ''Cuphead''

->''You know, mythology and folklore as a whole is a really incredible field to study. There's so much creativity and wonder, and it's really fun recognizing story elements that have persisted to the modern day or been adapted in one way or another to stories we actually recognize. But sometimes, you find a myth that really reminds you that you're studying a different culture from a different time and place, and that culture from a different time and place might have held some pretty nasty attitudes towards your demographic specifically, and they didn't hesitate to document those attitudes for posterity, and that can kind of sting.''
-->-- '''Red''' from '''WebAnimation/OverlySarcasticProductions''' on [[https://youtu.be/geaJPQkDXKk Pandora]]
[[/folder]]



-->-- '''{{Creator/Seanbaby}}''', [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-bizarre-horrors-found-in-squarest-comic-book-ever/ "8 Bizarre Horrors Found in the Squarest Comic Book Ever"]]

to:

-->-- '''{{Creator/Seanbaby}}''', '''Creator/{{Seanbaby}}''', [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-bizarre-horrors-found-in-squarest-comic-book-ever/ "8 Bizarre Horrors Found in the Squarest Comic Book Ever"]]



->''The trouble is, I was well brought up in terms of minding my P's and Q's, and I say thank you very readily. This, though, I was told, is actually impolite in Mongolia. You can thank a host at the end of a visit but not for every cup of tea or glass of vodka. That would be insulting to your host because it implies that there was even a ghost of a shadow of a chance that they would'' not ''have been hospitable.''
-->-- The [[http://staywhereyouare.fvu.co.uk/part-4-sacred-hospitality/ Stay Where You Are]] project
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Web Videos]]




->''The trouble is, I was well brought up in terms of minding my P’s and Q’s, and I say thank you very readily. This, though, I was told, is actually impolite in Mongolia. You can thank a host at the end of a visit but not for every cup of tea or glass of vodka. That would be insulting to your host because it implies that there was even a ghost of a shadow of a chance that they would'' not ''have been hospitable.''
-->-- The [[http://staywhereyouare.fvu.co.uk/part-4-sacred-hospitality/ Stay Where You Are]] project

->''"...what a lot of people forget about early cartoons [...] is that they could be really fucking dark. See, back then, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids it wasn't generally understood that kids needed to have their delicate sensibilities protected, as odds were pretty good they were all going to die in a European trench war before they turned eighteen, anyway]]. So thematically, cartoons were lighter on wholesome lessons about friendship and heavier on skeletons and racism."''
-->--'''Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw''', likening ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}''[='=]s animation style to UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation, in WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNN2etNrBoE review]] of ''Cuphead''

->''You know, mythology and folklore as a whole is a really incredible field to study. There's so much creativity and wonder, and it's really fun recognizing story elements that have persisted to the modern day or been adapted in one way or another to stories we actually recognize. But sometimes, you find a myth that really reminds you that you're studying a different culture from a different time and place, and that culture from a different time and place might have held some pretty nasty attitudes towards your demographic specifically, and they didn't hesitate to document those attitudes for posterity, and that can kind of sting.''
-->-- '''Red''' from '''WebOriginal/OverlySarcasticProductions''' on [[https://youtu.be/geaJPQkDXKk Pandora]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->--Red from ''WebOriginal/OverlySarcasticProductions'', on [[https://youtu.be/geaJPQkDXKk Pandora]]

to:

-->--Red -->-- '''Red''' from ''WebOriginal/OverlySarcasticProductions'', '''WebOriginal/OverlySarcasticProductions''' on [[https://youtu.be/geaJPQkDXKk Pandora]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Adding a quote

Added DiffLines:


->''You know, mythology and folklore as a whole is a really incredible field to study. There's so much creativity and wonder, and it's really fun recognizing story elements that have persisted to the modern day or been adapted in one way or another to stories we actually recognize. But sometimes, you find a myth that really reminds you that you're studying a different culture from a different time and place, and that culture from a different time and place might have held some pretty nasty attitudes towards your demographic specifically, and they didn't hesitate to document those attitudes for posterity, and that can kind of sting.''
-->--Red from ''WebOriginal/OverlySarcasticProductions'', on [[https://youtu.be/geaJPQkDXKk Pandora]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''"She kept calling the Indians {{n|WordPrivileges}}iggers for some reason, so I said 'No, no, no, it's the ''West'' Indians who are niggers. These people are ''[[DiscriminateAndSwitch Wogs]].''"''

to:

->''"She kept calling the Indians {{n|WordPrivileges}}iggers for some reason, so I said 'No, no, no, it's no! ({{Beat}}) It's the ''West'' Indians who are niggers. These people are ''[[DiscriminateAndSwitch Wogs]].''"''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->--'''Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw''', likening ''VideoGame/{{Cuphad}}''[='=]s animation style to UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation, in WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNN2etNrBoE review]] of ''Cuphead''

to:

-->--'''Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw''', likening ''VideoGame/{{Cuphad}}''[='=]s ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}''[='=]s animation style to UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation, in WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNN2etNrBoE review]] of ''Cuphead''

Added: 709

Changed: 40

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''"She kept calling the Indians [[NWordPrivileges niggers]] for some reason, so I said 'No, no, no, it's the ''West'' Indians who are niggers. These people are ''[[DiscriminateAndSwitch Wogs]].''"''

to:

->''"She kept calling the Indians [[NWordPrivileges niggers]] {{n|WordPrivileges}}iggers for some reason, so I said 'No, no, no, it's the ''West'' Indians who are niggers. These people are ''[[DiscriminateAndSwitch Wogs]].''"''



-->--'''[[http://www.avclub.com/review/the-making-of-a-lady-is-made-of-nonsense-201063 Sonia Saraiya]]''' on ''The Making of a Lady'' (2014)

to:

-->--'''[[http://www.-->--'''[[https://tv.avclub.com/review/the-making-of-a-lady-is-made-of-nonsense-201063 com/the-making-of-a-lady-is-made-of-nonsense-1798179447 Sonia Saraiya]]''' on ''The Making of a Lady'' (2014)


Added DiffLines:


->''"...what a lot of people forget about early cartoons [...] is that they could be really fucking dark. See, back then, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids it wasn't generally understood that kids needed to have their delicate sensibilities protected, as odds were pretty good they were all going to die in a European trench war before they turned eighteen, anyway]]. So thematically, cartoons were lighter on wholesome lessons about friendship and heavier on skeletons and racism."''
-->--'''Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw''', likening ''VideoGame/{{Cuphad}}''[='=]s animation style to UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation, in WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNN2etNrBoE review]] of ''Cuphead''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''"One of the inevitabilities of living in a culture that’s actively working to both acknowledge and dismantle the systemic behaviors that have long served to disenfranchise women and minorities is that it’s become really, really easy to point out the ways in which the pop culture of yore is, well, not good. Such critiques are rarely indicative of the quality of the storytelling, but rather the pricklier qualities of the lessons imparted therein and the question of just what the children of today are culling from them. Just as public perceptions of D. W. Griffith’s ''[[Film/TheBirthOfANation Birth Of A Nation]]'' changed with the rise of public discourse around race, so too shall the sacred cows of yesteryear be reassessed as we deepen and refine our discussions around identity and sexuality."''
-->--'''Website/AVClub''', ''[[https://www.avclub.com/we-regret-to-inform-you-that-rudolph-the-red-nosed-rein-1821393418 We regret to inform you that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer is now political]]''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''The trouble is, I was well brought up in terms of minding my P’s and Q’s, and I say thank you very readily. This, though, I was told, is actually impolite in Mongolia. You can thank a host at the end of a visit but not for every cup of tea or glass of vodka. That would be insulting to your host because it implies that there was even a ghost of a shadow of a chance that they would'' not ''have been hospitable.''
-->-- The [[http://staywhereyouare.fvu.co.uk/part-4-sacred-hospitality/ Stay Where You Are]] project
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Lack of relevance. Unnecessary preachiness.


->''"Improved social equality means that everyone is free to call out everyone else's bullshit, and male comedians aren't particularly used to that. They aren't used to being told, "Watch your mouth," when women and minorities have been told that over and over again for a very long time."''
-->--'''[[http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2015/04/trevor-noah-daily-show-comedy.html Drew Magary]]'''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement in regards to 'nice guy' and 'friendzone'.


->''"Mopey, heart-sick Screech is the epitome of that wretched sitcom trope, where moon-eyed losers spend season after season trailing behind the female character they’re desperately smitten with, and usually fated to end up marrying. [[{{Series/Friends}} Ross and Rachel]], [[{{Series/Frasier}} Niles and Daphne]]; the ''“keep plugging away and you’ll get her in the end”'' storyline doubtless encourages stalker behaviour in the sort of guys who believe in the existence of the Friendzone, and feel like they’re owed reciprocation for being a ‘nice guy’."''
-->--'''[[https://franticplanet.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/so-excited-so-scared-screechs-woman/ Stuart Millard]]''' on ''Series/SavedByTheBell'', ''So Excited, So Scared''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added Sagan quote

Added DiffLines:


->''It is a little unfair, I think, to criticize a person for not sharing the enlightenment of a later epoch, but it is also profoundly saddening that such prejudices were so extremely pervasive.''
-->--'''Creator/CarlSagan''', '''''Broca's Brain'''''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


->''"Oooh, old people movies. Get ready for references we don't understand and words we can't repeat."''
-->-- '''Mabel''', ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


->''With those who follow a different Way it is useless to take counsel.''

to:

->''With ->''"With those who follow a different Way it is useless to take counsel.''"''

Top