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** The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[Note]] [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring for exobiologists otherwise]][[/note]].
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** The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[Note]] [[note]] [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring for exobiologists otherwise]][[/note]].
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* '''Justified''': The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual spacefaring species.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual spacefaringspecies.species.
** The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[Note]] [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring for exobiologists otherwise]][[/note]].
** The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual spacefaring
** The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[Note]] [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring for exobiologists otherwise]][[/note]].
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* '''Enforced''': The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring otherwise]].
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* '''Enforced''': The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things An average encounter would be too boring otherwise]]. not justify the MultiPartEpisode that [[ExecutiveMeddling the guys upstairs wanted to boost the network's ratings]], so the writers were ordered to make the #!@? as nigh-incomprehensible as possible to not have to rely on {{padding}} (too much).
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* '''Subverted''': ...Until the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying, bottomless cosmic mind to everyone]].
* '''Double Subverted''': But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
* '''Double Subverted''': But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
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* '''Subverted''': ...'''Subverted''':
* '''Double Subverted''': (from Inverted #1) ... Until the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying, bottomless cosmic mind toeveryone]].
* '''Double Subverted''': But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.everyone]].
* '''Double Subverted''': (from Inverted #1) ... Until the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying, bottomless cosmic mind to
* '''Double Subverted''': But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Every major member race of the League has traits that make them [[ValuesResonance humanlike in some ways]] and [[CultureClash totally unknowable in others]].
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** But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
** Every major member race of the League has traits that make them [[ValuesResonance humanlike in some ways]] and [[CultureClash totally unknowable in others]].
** But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
** Every major member race of the League has traits that make them [[ValuesResonance humanlike in some ways]] and [[CultureClash totally unknowable in others]].
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* '''Double Subverted''': But his CelestialBody was also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
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* '''Double Subverted''': But his CelestialBody was [[MindScrew (somehow)]] also a flesh-suit. He really is a RidiculouslyAverageGuy after all.
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** The plot spends nine hundred and nine-nine pages with the protagonists going all "this situation is something nobody ever encountered before and has never dealt with!" and in the last page TheCavalry arrives and turns out to be CrazyPrepared enough (even if they still think [[TheWormGuy the doctor who developed the scenario is crazy]]) to deal with the event with ease.
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* '''Subverted''': Until we get more information on the #!@? that we learn that they're actually pretty normal.
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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''': ...Until we get more information on the #!@? that we learn that they're actually pretty normal. Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying, bottomless cosmic mind to everyone]].
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* '''Inverted''':
** [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as a result.
** [[RussianReversal we are totally unexpected to the encounter.]][[note]]hope we didn't kill them with a common cold again.[[/note]]
** [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as a result.
** [[RussianReversal we are totally unexpected to the encounter.]][[note]]hope we didn't kill them with a common cold again.[[/note]]
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* '''Inverted''':
**'''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as a result.
**[[RussianReversal we are [[HumansAreCthulhu Humankind is the totally unexpected to the encounter.]][[note]]hope we didn't kill them with a common cold again.[[/note]]
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* '''Subverted''': ...Until the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying and bottomless cosmic mind to everyone]].
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* '''Subverted''': ...'''Subverted''': Until we get more information on the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying and bottomless cosmic mind to everyone]].#!@? that we learn that they're actually pretty normal.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
** [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as aresult. result.
** [[RussianReversal we are totally unexpected to the encounter.]][[note]]hope we didn't kill them with a common cold again.[[/note]]
** [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as a
** [[RussianReversal we are totally unexpected to the encounter.]][[note]]hope we didn't kill them with a common cold again.[[/note]]
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* '''Defied''': The #!@?, while exotic-looking, prove to be almost comically human in most respects, complete with [[ThisLoserIsYou all the flaws and foibles of an average human population on display]].
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** The #!@?, while exotic-looking, prove to be almost comically human in most respects, complete with [[ThisLoserIsYou all the flaws and foibles of an average human population ondisplay]]. display]].
** The cast very notably [[JustIgnoreIt and pointedly]] [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight refuse]] to have any of the typical reactions that happen when something like the #!@? pops up in a story (freaking out, AdmiringTheAbomination, etc.) and [[AbsurdlyDedicatedWorker continue to carry on whatever duties they were doing]], and if taking care of business requires to kill the aliens - or die trying - because that’s the only way it will get done, [[IWillFightSomeMoreForever they will do so without hesitation]].
** The #!@?, while exotic-looking, prove to be almost comically human in most respects, complete with [[ThisLoserIsYou all the flaws and foibles of an average human population on
** The cast very notably [[JustIgnoreIt and pointedly]] [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight refuse]] to have any of the typical reactions that happen when something like the #!@? pops up in a story (freaking out, AdmiringTheAbomination, etc.) and [[AbsurdlyDedicatedWorker continue to carry on whatever duties they were doing]], and if taking care of business requires to kill the aliens - or die trying - because that’s the only way it will get done, [[IWillFightSomeMoreForever they will do so without hesitation]].
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* '''Justified''': The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual space-faring species.
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* '''Justified''': The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual space-faring spacefaring species.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[AliensAreBastards understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[AliensAreBastards [[RapePillageAndBurn understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Conversed''': Attempting to educate [[ApatheticCitizens the human public]] about a species like the #!@? proves difficult, as most of them consider the proper stance [[WeComeInPeaceShootToKill for any alien race to be "shoot first and ask questions never"]].
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* '''Conversed''': Attempting to educate [[ApatheticCitizens the human public]] about a species like the #!@? proves difficult, as most of them consider the proper stance [[WeComeInPeaceShootToKill [[AliensAreBastards for any alien race to be "shoot first and ask questions never"]].
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* '''Conversed''': Attempting to educate [[ApatheticCitizens the human public]] about a species like the #!@? proves difficult, as most of them consider the proper stance [[AliensAreBastards for any alien race to be shoot first and ask questions never]].
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* '''Conversed''': Attempting to educate [[ApatheticCitizens the human public]] about a species like the #!@? proves difficult, as most of them consider the proper stance [[AliensAreBastards [[WeComeInPeaceShootToKill for any alien race to be shoot "shoot first and ask questions never]].never"]].
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[ScaryDogmaticAliens [[AliensAreBastards understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]][[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]][[{{Jerkass}} but]] [[{{Jerkass}} that's]] [[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]][[{{Jerkass}} that's]][[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
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* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]][[{{Jerkass}} that's]][[ScaryDogmaticAliens that's]] [[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
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'''[[VoiceOfTheLegion You have]] [[HiveMind no idea]] [[AssimilationPlot what you're]] [[YouHaveNoIdeaWhoYoureDealingWith dealing with,]] [[PunyEarthling man-ape.]] [[OutsideContextProblem Do not]] [[SelfDemonstrating/AllBlueEntry antagonize us.]]'''
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'''[[VoiceOfTheLegion You have]] [[HiveMind no idea]] [[AssimilationPlot what you're]] [[YouHaveNoIdeaWhoYoureDealingWith dealing with,]] [[PunyEarthling man-ape.]] [[OutsideContextProblem Do not]] [[SelfDemonstrating/AllBlueEntry antagonize us.]]''']]'''
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'''Basic Trope''': An encounter with something totally unprecedented.
* '''Straight''': After making peaceful first contact with [[HumanAliens the Cybelians]], [[RubberForeheadAliens the Tandurians]] and [[ScaryDogmaticAliens the Gukk]], the [[TheAlliance League of Planets]] is utterly stymied when they come across [[StarfishAliens the #!@?]].
* '''Exaggerated''': The #!@? are so weird [[Literature/{{Solaris}} no one even knows how to get their attention, much less communicate with them]].
* '''Downplayed''': While baffling at first, the #!@? are neither omnipotent nor totally beyond the ken of scientific inquiry. The League manages to hold their own against them [[DoingInTheWizard until their origins and motives are deciphered]].
* '''Justified''': The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual space-faring species.
* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]][[{{Jerkass}} that's]][[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
* '''Subverted''': ...Until the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying and bottomless cosmic mind to everyone]].
* '''Parodied''': The arrival of the mysterious [[HiddenAgendaVillain Enig-Men of planet Konundruum]] is met with confusion by the [[GenreBlind brave but guileless League of Planets]].
* '''Zig Zagged''': Every major member race of the League has traits that make them [[ValuesResonance humanlike in some ways]] and [[CultureClash totally unknowable in others]].
* '''Averted''': The League treats first contact with the #!@? like any other, and though progress is slow, they eventually become [[MundaneFantastic just another alien race]].
* '''Enforced''': The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring otherwise]].
* '''Lampshaded''': At first, the crew of the League starship running first contact protocols for the #!@? isn't even sure they've encountered a sapient species or a rounding error in their instrument calibrations.
* '''Invoked''': Mankind uses [[ClarkesThirdLaw their superior technology and social organization]] to cement their power over the junior members of the League.
* '''Exploited''': The #!@? use their indescribable nature as a front for some rather describable antics, such as [[GalacticConqueror controlling the galaxy in secret]].
* '''Defied''': The #!@?, while exotic-looking, prove to be almost comically human in most respects, complete with [[ThisLoserIsYou all the flaws and foibles of an average human population on display]].
* '''Discussed''': Since no problem is technically outside context if it can be thought of first, [[CovertGroup the League's "Lovecraft Legionaire" think tank endeavors to do just that in the hopes of smoothing over potential first contact problems]].
* '''Conversed''': Attempting to educate [[ApatheticCitizens the human public]] about a species like the #!@? proves difficult, as most of them consider the proper stance [[AliensAreBastards for any alien race to be shoot first and ask questions never]].
* '''Implied''': No one goes to see the #!@?, and the #!@? aren't seen much.
* '''Deconstructed''': The fact that no one can conceive of an alien species outside the normal parameters results in [[WeComeInPeaceShootToKill several nasty misunderstandings with the #!@?]], [[HopelessWar most of which do not go well]] [[EarthThatUsedToBeBetter for the League]] [[SlaveRace and its members]].
** The futility of trying to communicate with the #!@? puts a damper on further space exploration, making contact with other alien races a distant prospect at best. Eventually, the League drifts apart into [[FeudalFuture several cosmic fiefdoms where trade and scientific advancement are both stifled in favor of infighting and recrimination between different species]].
* '''Reconstructed''': [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Sometimes too much knowledge is a bad thing]], and knowing too much about the #!@? isn't good for anyone's health. [[GoMadFromTheRevelation Or sanity]]. [[BodyHorror Or physiology]]. What little information can be gleaned about them [[NothingIsScarier is more than enough]] for the League to give them the widest possible berth.
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'''[[VoiceOfTheLegion You have]] [[HiveMind no idea]] [[AssimilationPlot what you're]] [[YouHaveNoIdeaWhoYoureDealingWith dealing with,]] [[PunyEarthling man-ape.]] [[OutsideContextProblem Do not]] [[SelfDemonstrating/AllBlueEntry antagonize us.]]'''
* '''Straight''': After making peaceful first contact with [[HumanAliens the Cybelians]], [[RubberForeheadAliens the Tandurians]] and [[ScaryDogmaticAliens the Gukk]], the [[TheAlliance League of Planets]] is utterly stymied when they come across [[StarfishAliens the #!@?]].
* '''Exaggerated''': The #!@? are so weird [[Literature/{{Solaris}} no one even knows how to get their attention, much less communicate with them]].
* '''Downplayed''': While baffling at first, the #!@? are neither omnipotent nor totally beyond the ken of scientific inquiry. The League manages to hold their own against them [[DoingInTheWizard until their origins and motives are deciphered]].
* '''Justified''': The #!@? are [[EnergyBeings incorporeal]] [[AngelicAliens demigods]] with no indication of culture, language or any other markers of a usual space-faring species.
* '''Inverted''': [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy The Norm]] are about as run-of-the-mill as you can get for an alien race, and get along famously with everyone in the League (except the Gukk, [[BloodKnight but]][[{{Jerkass}} that's]][[ScaryDogmaticAliens understandable]]) as a result.
* '''Subverted''': ...Until the Norm ambassador unzips his flesh-suit in front of the LOP assembly, [[CelestialBody revealing his terrifying and bottomless cosmic mind to everyone]].
* '''Parodied''': The arrival of the mysterious [[HiddenAgendaVillain Enig-Men of planet Konundruum]] is met with confusion by the [[GenreBlind brave but guileless League of Planets]].
* '''Zig Zagged''': Every major member race of the League has traits that make them [[ValuesResonance humanlike in some ways]] and [[CultureClash totally unknowable in others]].
* '''Averted''': The League treats first contact with the #!@? like any other, and though progress is slow, they eventually become [[MundaneFantastic just another alien race]].
* '''Enforced''': The universe, physics, and evolution are not inclined to foster totally mutually intelligible lifeforms. [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction Things would be too boring otherwise]].
* '''Lampshaded''': At first, the crew of the League starship running first contact protocols for the #!@? isn't even sure they've encountered a sapient species or a rounding error in their instrument calibrations.
* '''Invoked''': Mankind uses [[ClarkesThirdLaw their superior technology and social organization]] to cement their power over the junior members of the League.
* '''Exploited''': The #!@? use their indescribable nature as a front for some rather describable antics, such as [[GalacticConqueror controlling the galaxy in secret]].
* '''Defied''': The #!@?, while exotic-looking, prove to be almost comically human in most respects, complete with [[ThisLoserIsYou all the flaws and foibles of an average human population on display]].
* '''Discussed''': Since no problem is technically outside context if it can be thought of first, [[CovertGroup the League's "Lovecraft Legionaire" think tank endeavors to do just that in the hopes of smoothing over potential first contact problems]].
* '''Conversed''': Attempting to educate [[ApatheticCitizens the human public]] about a species like the #!@? proves difficult, as most of them consider the proper stance [[AliensAreBastards for any alien race to be shoot first and ask questions never]].
* '''Implied''': No one goes to see the #!@?, and the #!@? aren't seen much.
* '''Deconstructed''': The fact that no one can conceive of an alien species outside the normal parameters results in [[WeComeInPeaceShootToKill several nasty misunderstandings with the #!@?]], [[HopelessWar most of which do not go well]] [[EarthThatUsedToBeBetter for the League]] [[SlaveRace and its members]].
** The futility of trying to communicate with the #!@? puts a damper on further space exploration, making contact with other alien races a distant prospect at best. Eventually, the League drifts apart into [[FeudalFuture several cosmic fiefdoms where trade and scientific advancement are both stifled in favor of infighting and recrimination between different species]].
* '''Reconstructed''': [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Sometimes too much knowledge is a bad thing]], and knowing too much about the #!@? isn't good for anyone's health. [[GoMadFromTheRevelation Or sanity]]. [[BodyHorror Or physiology]]. What little information can be gleaned about them [[NothingIsScarier is more than enough]] for the League to give them the widest possible berth.
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'''[[VoiceOfTheLegion You have]] [[HiveMind no idea]] [[AssimilationPlot what you're]] [[YouHaveNoIdeaWhoYoureDealingWith dealing with,]] [[PunyEarthling man-ape.]] [[OutsideContextProblem Do not]] [[SelfDemonstrating/AllBlueEntry antagonize us.]]'''
