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** In response to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
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** In response to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia Tropeland decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
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** Emperor Evulz is such a threat that the people of Troperia don't hesitate to use a tactic that ''may'' defeat him, but will ''definitely'' kill 99% of the world's people, reduce the remaining 1% to Stone Age technology, and decimate its ecosystems.
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** Emperor Evulz is such a threat that the people of Troperia Tropeland don't hesitate to use a tactic that ''may'' defeat him, but will ''definitely'' kill 99% of the world's people, reduce the remaining 1% to Stone Age technology, and decimate its ecosystems.
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** While the nation of Troperia is doing more extreme things in the war against Emperor Evulz, there are some lines they still feel they don't have to cross.
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** While the nation of Troperia Tropeland is doing more extreme things in the war against Emperor Evulz, there are some lines they still feel they don't have to cross.
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** Troperia is forced into legalizing mercenary companies which could have [[WarForFunAndProfit perverse incentives that lead to instability later on]].
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** Troperia Tropeland is forced into legalizing mercenary companies which could have [[WarForFunAndProfit perverse incentives that lead to instability later on]].
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** At first it looks like Troperia will need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up and take him down.
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** At first it looks like Troperia Tropeland will need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up and take him down.
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** The argument against [[SummonBiggerFish summoning Godzilla]] is not that "the cure may be worse than the disease", but rather than it may still not be enough gun to solve ''this'' mess.
** Godzilla is summoned and, much to the surprise of everybody, the odds are not immediately equalized.
** After being summoned, Godzilla immediately decides to go on a rampage of his own instead of doing the expected "attacking the other monster out of a sense of territoriality" result. The high-risk tactic has brought no reward: everybody is ''[[FromBadToWorse even more]]'' screwed.
** It turns out that Evulz had a XanatosGambit in place ready to go and stops Godzilla instantly and thoroughly when he's summoned.
** Godzilla is summoned and, much to the surprise of everybody, the odds are not immediately equalized.
** After being summoned, Godzilla immediately decides to go on a rampage of his own instead of doing the expected "attacking the other monster out of a sense of territoriality" result. The high-risk tactic has brought no reward: everybody is ''[[FromBadToWorse even more]]'' screwed.
** It turns out that Evulz had a XanatosGambit in place ready to go and stops Godzilla instantly and thoroughly when he's summoned.
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** The argument against [[SummonBiggerFish summoning Godzilla]] Troperia]] is not that "the cure may be worse than the disease", but rather than it may still not be enough gun to solve ''this'' mess.
**Godzilla Troperia is summoned and, much to the surprise of everybody, the odds are not immediately equalized.
** After being summoned,Godzilla Troperia immediately decides to go on a rampage of his her own instead of doing the expected "attacking the other monster out of a sense of territoriality" result. The high-risk tactic has brought no reward: everybody is ''[[FromBadToWorse even more]]'' screwed.
** It turns out that Evulz had a XanatosGambit in place ready to go and stopsGodzilla Troperia instantly and thoroughly when he's she's summoned.
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** After being summoned,
** It turns out that Evulz had a XanatosGambit in place ready to go and stops
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** The typical argument to summon Godzilla still stands: it's a situation bad enough that ''anything'' with a chance of evening the odds is to be considered.
** Because of this, Godzilla crosses its own Threshold and uses a DangerousForbiddenTechnique. ''That'' hits the spot.
** Because of this, Godzilla crosses its own Threshold and uses a DangerousForbiddenTechnique. ''That'' hits the spot.
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** The typical argument to summon Godzilla Troperia still stands: it's a situation bad enough that ''anything'' with a chance of evening the odds is to be considered.
** Because of this,Godzilla Troperia crosses its her own Threshold and uses a DangerousForbiddenTechnique. ''That'' hits the spot.
** Because of this,
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** You know that Evulz has made heroes way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate backup plan" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** You know that Evulz has made heroes way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") "T") for the "desperate backup plan" that was summoning Godzilla Troperia is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.bring in ''[[PersonOfMassDestruction Claidheamh The Left Handed Brute]]''.
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** Troperia defeats Emperor Evulz without resorting to risky last-resort tactics.
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** Troperia Tropeland defeats Emperor Evulz without resorting to risky last-resort tactics.
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** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up something at least as bad in the story to justify his return. Any ideas?"
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** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, Troperia, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up something at least as bad in the story to justify his her return. Any ideas?"
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** "You are telling me we should drop a ''nuclear bomb'' on the oil well? What next, summoning Godzilla?"
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** "You are telling me we should drop a ''nuclear bomb'' on the oil well? What next, summoning Godzilla?"Troperia herself?"
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** "Look, we have an asteroid headed for Earth. I say all options are on the table, up to and including Godzilla himself."
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** "Look, we have an asteroid headed for Earth. I say all options are on the table, up to and including Godzilla himself.Troperia herself."
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* '''Exploited''': The BigBad [[ManipulativeBastard intentionally set up the situation]] in the first place, because the effects of the Godzilla option [[BatmanGambit is what he wanted in order to implement his real plans]].
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* '''Exploited''': The BigBad [[ManipulativeBastard intentionally set up the situation]] in the first place, because the effects of the Godzilla Troperia option [[BatmanGambit is what he wanted in order to implement his real plans]].
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** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five seconds later.]] MassOhCrap ensues.
** Evulz secretly killed Godzilla [[HandWave somehow]] at the beginning of his offensive. As a result, [[MortonsFork there is no Third Option at all]].
** Evulz secretly killed Godzilla [[HandWave somehow]] at the beginning of his offensive. As a result, [[MortonsFork there is no Third Option at all]].
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** The heroes summon Godzilla. Troperia. [[HopeSpot Godzilla Troperia gets annihilated five seconds later.]] MassOhCrap ensues.
** Evulz secretly killedGodzilla Troperia [[HandWave somehow]] at the beginning of his offensive. As a result, [[MortonsFork there is no Third Option at all]].
** Evulz secretly killed
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* '''Implied''': Upon seeing whatever is happening this episode, TheLancer will suggest "Plan G", which will be slapped down by TheLeader and all others with likes like "that plan is only for emergencies!" (even if a house being on fire/a flood coming in/somebody being trapped in a crashed car/an AlienInvasion about to start would fall under any normal person's definition of an "emergency").
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* '''Implied''': Upon seeing whatever is happening this episode, TheLancer will suggest "Plan G", T", which will be slapped down by TheLeader and all others with likes like "that plan is only for emergencies!" (even if a house being on fire/a flood coming in/somebody being trapped in a crashed car/an AlienInvasion about to start would fall under any normal person's definition of an "emergency").
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** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsive fools]] who believe that either whatever the hell is going on is the "Godzilla" that the Threshold must deal with or that once the Threshold has been crossed at some point before that de-escalation will never be possible, and if left to their own devices they will bring untold amounts of chaos and will defend themselves with "IDidWhatIHadToDo."
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** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsive fools]] who believe that either whatever the hell is going on is the "Godzilla" "Troperia" that the Threshold must deal with or that once the Threshold has been crossed at some point before that de-escalation will never be possible, and if left to their own devices they will bring untold amounts of chaos and will defend themselves with "IDidWhatIHadToDo."
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** [[DevilsAdvocate That damn impulsive fool is part of the failsafe.]] The Threshold will be officially declared as passed if the heroes all [[JerkassHasAPoint unanimously agree with the fools]] and then say that none of them can think of any other options to offer at all, not even for the sake of spite.
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** [[DevilsAdvocate That Those damn impulsive fool is fools are part of the failsafe.]] The Threshold will be officially declared as passed if the heroes all [[JerkassHasAPoint unanimously agree with the fools]] and then say that none of them can think of any other options to offer at all, not even for the sake of spite.
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* '''Played for Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondent. Alice is DrivenToSuicide, Bob becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their separate ways.
* '''Played for Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
* '''Played for Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
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* '''Played for Drama''': The BigBad Evulz is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondent. Alice is DrivenToSuicide, Bob becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their separate ways.
* '''Played for Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashedGodzilla. [[PersonOfMassDestruction Claidheamh]] [[ASinisterClue The Left Handed]] [[OneManArmy Brute]], only reserved for when ''even Troperia herself isn't enough'' (as in all of the defiances as well as one of the double-subversions)). Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, [[{{Gorn}} torn to shreds]], fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
* '''Played for Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed
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** Emperor Evulz is such a threat that the people of Troperia don't hesitate to use a tactic that ''may'' defeat him- but will ''definitely'' kill 99% of the world's population and reduce the remaining 1% to Stone Age technology.
** Emperor Evulz is a threat to the entire universe, and his opponents do stuff like create new black holes in order to fight him.
* '''Downplayed''':
** Emperor Evulz is a threat to the entire universe, and his opponents do stuff like create new black holes in order to fight him.
* '''Downplayed''':
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** Emperor Evulz is such a threat that the people of Troperia don't hesitate to use a tactic that ''may'' defeat him- him, but will ''definitely'' kill 99% of the world's population and people, reduce the remaining 1% to Stone Age technology.
technology, and decimate its ecosystems.
** Emperor Evulz is a threat to the entire universe, and his opponents do stuff like create new black holesin order to fight him.
*'''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** Emperor Evulz is a threat to the entire universe, and his opponents do stuff like create new black holes
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** HeroInsurance and ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption - usually, when these are being invoked, the situation has reached the threshold to some degree.
** Can be TruthInTelevision in RealLife, at least in its more individual variants (extreme medical treatments, self-defense, the attempt to stop/mitigate a major disaster)
** Can be TruthInTelevision in RealLife, at least in its more individual variants (extreme medical treatments, self-defense, the attempt to stop/mitigate a major disaster)
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** HeroInsurance and ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption - -- usually, when these are being invoked, the situation has reached the threshold to some degree.
** Can be TruthInTelevision in RealLife, at least in its more individual variants (extreme medical treatments, self-defense, the attempt to stop/mitigate a majordisaster)disaster).
** Can be TruthInTelevision in RealLife, at least in its more individual variants (extreme medical treatments, self-defense, the attempt to stop/mitigate a major
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** The situation really is that bad... but the solution is ''even worse'', so it's better to let it continue than attempt to stop it.
** A few techniques are only used if things are absolutely peaceful and stable because of the sheer havok that could be caused if they were sabotaged. For instance a reactor and DeflectorShield combo that can protect from any sort of accidental harm but a deliberate focus of a sufficiently powerful energy weapon or sabotage could blow up a solar system.
** The proper thing to do in the circumstances is judged to let [[TheBadGuyWins Emperor Evulz]] win as opposed to using power that may risk destroying the universe.
* '''Subverted''':
** At first it looks like Troperia will need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up and are able to take him down.
** A few techniques are only used if things are absolutely peaceful and stable because of the sheer havok that could be caused if they were sabotaged. For instance a reactor and DeflectorShield combo that can protect from any sort of accidental harm but a deliberate focus of a sufficiently powerful energy weapon or sabotage could blow up a solar system.
** The proper thing to do in the circumstances is judged to let [[TheBadGuyWins Emperor Evulz]] win as opposed to using power that may risk destroying the universe.
* '''Subverted''':
** At first it looks like Troperia will need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up and are able to take him down.
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** The situation really is just that bad... bad, but the solution is ''even worse'', so it's better to let it continue than attempt to stop it.
** A few techniques are only used if things are absolutely peaceful and stable because of the sheerhavok havoc that could be caused if they were sabotaged. For instance instance, a reactor and DeflectorShield combo that can protect from any sort of accidental harm but a deliberate focus of a sufficiently powerful energy weapon or sabotage could blow up a solar system.
** The proper thing to do in the circumstances is judged tolet [[TheBadGuyWins let Emperor Evulz]] win Evulz win]] as opposed to using power that may risk destroying the universe.
*'''Subverted''':
'''Subverted''':
** At first it looks like Troperia will need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up andare able to take him down.
** A few techniques are only used if things are absolutely peaceful and stable because of the sheer
** The proper thing to do in the circumstances is judged to
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** At first it looks like Troperia will need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up and
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** The argument against summoning Godzilla is not that "the cure may be worse than the disease", but rather than it may still not be enough gun to solve ''this'' mess.
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** The argument against [[SummonBiggerFish summoning Godzilla Godzilla]] is not that "the cure may be worse than the disease", but rather than it may still not be enough gun to solve ''this'' mess.
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** The long-term reward (destroying the world-ending threat) was still achieved. It just happened that [[PyrrhicVictory the cost was higher than anybody could think of, even at their most pessimistic]]. [[RayOfHopeEnding It's not much for solace, but it will have to do]].
** You know that Evulz has made heroes way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate plan B (or "Z")" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
** You know that Evulz has made heroes way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate plan B (or "Z")" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** The long-term reward (destroying the world-ending threat) was still achieved. It just happened that [[PyrrhicVictory the cost was higher than anybody could think of, even at their most pessimistic]]. [[RayOfHopeEnding It's not much for solace, but it will have to do]].
do.]]
** You know that Evulz has made heroes way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperateplan B (or "Z")" backup plan" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
** You know that Evulz has made heroes way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate
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** Troperia is able to defeat Emperor Evulz without resorting to risky last resort tactics.
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** Troperia is able to defeat defeats Emperor Evulz without resorting to risky last resort last-resort tactics.
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* '''Enforced''':
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** [[TheBadGuyWins Emperor Evulz wins and consolidates his absolute power]] so quickly and comprehensively that even summoning Godzilla would do nothing
*'''Enforced''': '''Enforced''':
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** In RealLife in general, any situation where the inevitable or near-inevitable outcome of not dealing with the situation or of using less severe solutions is the loss of human life (especially if it's the loss of multiple lives) is usually this to some degree: almost ''any'' amount of property damage, injury, or even death is considered worth it to prevent someone from dying or to prevent someone or something from killing more people than it already has. For example, amputating someone's legs or putting them through chemotherapy or giving them an ongoing drug addiction to save their life, or demolishing a neighborhood to create a firebreak against a superfire or dumping seawater on nuclear reactors -- because the alternative is far worse.
** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up something just as bad if not worse in the story to justify his return. Any ideas?"
* '''Lampshaded''':
** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up something just as bad if not worse in the story to justify his return. Any ideas?"
* '''Lampshaded''':
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** In RealLife in general, any situation where the inevitable or near-inevitable outcome of not dealing with the situation or of using less severe solutions is the loss of human life (especially if it's the loss of multiple lives) is usually this to some degree: almost degree. Almost ''any'' amount of property damage, injury, or even death is considered worth it to prevent someone from dying or to prevent someone or something from killing more people than it already has. For example, amputating someone's legs or putting them through chemotherapy or giving them an ongoing drug addiction to save their life, or demolishing a neighborhood to create a firebreak against a superfire super-fire or dumping seawater on nuclear reactors -- because the alternative is far worse.
** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up somethingjust at least as bad if not worse in the story to justify his return. Any ideas?"
*'''Lampshaded''': '''Lampshaded''':
** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up something
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** WhatHaveIDone in some instances.
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** WhatHaveIDone MyGodWhatHaveIDone in some instances.
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** The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution. And if the third option as proposed looks like it will cross this, they will search for a ''fourth''.
** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five seconds later]]. MassOhCrap ensues.
** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five seconds later]]. MassOhCrap ensues.
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** The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous less dangerous solution. And if the third option as proposed looks like it will cross this, they will search for a ''fourth''.
** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five secondslater]]. later.]] MassOhCrap ensues.
** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five seconds
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* '''Conversed''': Bob and Alice watch a show and mention how desperate the heroes must be to come up with such a plan.
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* '''Conversed''': Bob and Alice AliceAndBob watch a show and mention how desperate the heroes must be to come up with such a plan.
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** The heroes find a solution that works, but now they're stuck with finding a way to deal with the aftermath of said solution, which is just as bad as (if not worse than) the previous problem.
** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsive fool]] that believes that either whatever the hell is going on is the "Godzilla" that the Threshold must deal with or that once the Threshold has been crossed at some point before that there is absolutely no way de-escalation will ever be possible, and if he's left to his own devices he will bring untold amounts of chaos and will defend himself with "IDidWhatIHadToDo".
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** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsive fool]] that believes that either whatever the hell is going on is the "Godzilla" that the Threshold must deal with or that once the Threshold has been crossed at some point before that there is absolutely no way de-escalation will ever be possible, and if he's left to his own devices he will bring untold amounts of chaos and will defend himself with "IDidWhatIHadToDo".
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** The heroes find a solution that works, [[GoneHorriblyRight but now they're stuck with finding a way to deal with the aftermath of said solution, which is just at least as bad as (if not worse than) the previous problem.
problem, if not worse]].
** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsivefool]] that believes fools]] who believe that either whatever the hell is going on is the "Godzilla" that the Threshold must deal with or that once the Threshold has been crossed at some point before that there is absolutely no way de-escalation will ever never be possible, and if he's left to his their own devices he they will bring untold amounts of chaos and will defend himself themselves with "IDidWhatIHadToDo".
"IDidWhatIHadToDo."
*'''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsive
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** The heroes [[ZeroApprovalGambit may well know that their actions to stop the Big Bad]] would get them imprisoned. The loss of their reputation is just part of the cost - at least they ''have'' a world with a functioning justice system to imprison them.
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** The heroes [[ZeroApprovalGambit may well know that their actions to stop the Big Bad]] would get them imprisoned. The loss of their reputation is just part of the cost - cost; at least they ''have'' a world with a functioning justice system to imprison them.
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** [[DevilsAdvocate That damn impulsive fool is part of the fail safe]]. The Threshold will be officially declared as passed if the heroes all [[JerkassHasAPoint unanimously agree with this fool]] and then say that none of them can think of any other options to offer at all, not even for the sake of spite.
* '''Played For Laughs''': Their solution will result in the destruction of one of the heroes' favorite restaurants. TheHero finds the act horrible and almost decides against it until the other heroes give him a DopeSlap.
* '''Played For Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondent. One is DrivenToSuicide, another becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their separate ways.
* '''Played For Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
* '''Played For Laughs''': Their solution will result in the destruction of one of the heroes' favorite restaurants. TheHero finds the act horrible and almost decides against it until the other heroes give him a DopeSlap.
* '''Played For Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondent. One is DrivenToSuicide, another becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their separate ways.
* '''Played For Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
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** [[DevilsAdvocate That damn impulsive fool is part of the fail safe]]. failsafe.]] The Threshold will be officially declared as passed if the heroes all [[JerkassHasAPoint unanimously agree with this fool]] the fools]] and then say that none of them can think of any other options to offer at all, not even for the sake of spite.
* '''PlayedFor for Laughs''': Their solution will result in the destruction of one of the heroes' favorite restaurants. TheHero Bob finds the act horrible and almost decides against it until the other heroes give him a DopeSlap.
* '''PlayedFor for Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondent. One Alice is DrivenToSuicide, another Bob becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their separate ways.
* '''PlayedFor for Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
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** Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits are considered a Godzilla Threshold solution themselves: they are [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores exactly the kind of despicable, expendable losers]] led by [[SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder despicable, expendable mavericks]] that you don't send out onto the field unless you are really out of anything else, [[InsultToRocks even cannon fodder]].
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** Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits are considered a Godzilla Threshold solution themselves: they are [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores exactly the kind of despicable, expendable losers]] led by [[SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder despicable, expendable mavericks]] that you don't send out onto the field unless you are really out of anything else, [[InsultToRocks even the slightly less despicable and expendable cannon fodder]].
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** Alice and her RagtagBunchOfMisfits are considered a Godzilla Threshold solution themselves: they are [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores exactly the kind of despicable, expendable losers]] led by [[SurprisinglyEliteCannonFodder despicable, expendable mavericks]] that you don't send out onto the field unless you are really out of anything else, [[InsultToRocks even cannon fodder]].
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** Evulz secretly killed Godzilla [[HandWave somehow]] at the beginning of his offensive. As a result, [[MortonsFork there is no Third Option at all]].
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** SimpleSolutionWontWork, with anything less destructive being the "simple solution" in question.
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** You know the heroes are way beyond desperate when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate plan B" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** You know the that Evulz has made heroes are way beyond desperate with his invincible schemes when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate plan B" B (or "Z")" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** You know the heroes are way beyond desperate when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** You know the heroes are way beyond desperate when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") for the "desperate plan B" that was summoning Godzilla is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** It turns out that Evulz had a XanatosGambit in place ready to go and stops Godzilla instantly and thoroughly when he's summoned.
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** You know the heroes are way beyond desperate when [[PlanBResolution their plan "B"]] (or rather "Z") is to wake up ''[[OmnicidalManiac King Ghidorah]]''.
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** Someone actually calls in Franchise/{{Godzilla}} to handle the problem.
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** Someone actually calls in Franchise/{{Godzilla}} to handle the problem. Bonus parody points if Godzilla, the fifty-story-tall nuclear-powered mutant harbinger of the Apocalypse, is the one who [[StatingTheSimpleSolution proposes a sensible solution]] like requesting a restraining order.
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** After being summoned, Godzilla immediately decides to go on a rampage of his own instead of doing the expected "attacking the other monster out of a sense of territoriality" result. The high-risk tactic has brought no reward: everybody is ''[[FromBadToWorse even more]]'' screwed.
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** The long-term reward (destroying the world-ending threat) was still achieved. It just happened that [[PyrrhicVictory the cost was higher than anybody could think of, even at their most pessimistic]]. [[RayOfHopeEnding It's not much for solace, but it will have to do]].
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* '''Straight''': In response to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
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** In response to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
** In response to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
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** Troperia is forced into legalizing mercenary companies which could have [[WarForFunAndProfit perverse incentives that lead to instability later on]].
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* '''Double Subverted''': GodzillaThreshold-crossing tactics are argued against because Emperor Evulz just wants to rule the world, but then Alice discovers that Evulz really is an OmnicidalManiac, and once he's taken over he'll use his power to destroy everything.
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** The argument against summoning Godzilla is not that "the cure may be worse than the disease", but rather than it may still not be enough gun to solve ''this'' mess.
** Godzilla is summoned and, much to the surprise of everybody, the odds are not immediately equalized.
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** GodzillaThreshold-crossing tactics are argued against because Emperor Evulz just wants to rule the world, but then Alice discovers that Evulz really is an OmnicidalManiac, and once he's taken over he'll use his power to destroyeverything.everything.
** The typical argument to summon Godzilla still stands: it's a situation bad enough that ''anything'' with a chance of evening the odds is to be considered.
** Because of this, Godzilla crosses its own Threshold and uses a DangerousForbiddenTechnique. ''That'' hits the spot.
** Godzilla is summoned and, much to the surprise of everybody, the odds are not immediately equalized.
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** GodzillaThreshold-crossing tactics are argued against because Emperor Evulz just wants to rule the world, but then Alice discovers that Evulz really is an OmnicidalManiac, and once he's taken over he'll use his power to destroy
** The typical argument to summon Godzilla still stands: it's a situation bad enough that ''anything'' with a chance of evening the odds is to be considered.
** Because of this, Godzilla crosses its own Threshold and uses a DangerousForbiddenTechnique. ''That'' hits the spot.
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* '''Defied''': The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution. And if the third option as proposed looks like it will cross this, they will search for a ''fourth''.
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution. And if the third option as proposed looks like it will cross this, they will search for a''fourth''.''fourth''.
** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five seconds later]]. MassOhCrap ensues.
** The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution. And if the third option as proposed looks like it will cross this, they will search for a
** The heroes summon Godzilla. [[HopeSpot Godzilla gets annihilated five seconds later]]. MassOhCrap ensues.
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** A monster or otherwise ludicrously destructive force is running rampant in the setting, and the only way to stop it is to use something just as awful or even worse to fight it.
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** "We need a reason to use Godzilla, or an equivalently destructive force, in our work, but to do so we need to bring up something just as bad if not worse in the story to justify his return. Any ideas?"
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** [[DevilsAdvocate That damn impulsive fool is part of the fail safe]]. The Threshold will be officially declared as passed if the heroes all [[JerkassHasAPoint unanimously agree with this fool]] and then say that none of them can think of any other options to offer at all, not even for the sake of spite.
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** There is literally no other option left -- all of the weapons, equipment, champions and resources that were important parts of other options are destroyed, dead, or missing and presumed dead/destroyed.
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** There is literally no other option left -- all of the weapons, equipment, theories, champions and resources that were important parts of other options are destroyed, dead, or missing and presumed dead/destroyed.
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** There is literally no other option left -- all of the weapons, equipment, champions and resources that were important parts of other options are destroyed, dead, or missing and presumed dead/destroyed.
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* '''Implied''': Upon seeing whatever is happening this episode, TheLancer will suggest "Plan G", which will be slapped down by TheLeader and all others with likes like "that plan is only for emergencies!" (even if a house being on fire/a flood coming in/somebody being trapped in a crashed car/an AlienInvasion about to start would fall under any normal person's definition of an "emergency").
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* '''Played For Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, stampeding and stepped on, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
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* '''Played For Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, panicking, rioting, stampeding and stepped on, on by man and monster alike, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
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** The characters are (deliberately or not) drama queens and act like whatever proposed solution is a crossing of the Threshold.
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* '''Played For Laughs''': Their solution will result in the destruction of one of the heroes' favorite restaurants. He finds the act horrible and almost decides against it until the other heroes give him a DopeSlap.
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* '''Played For Laughs''': Their solution will result in the destruction of one of the heroes' favorite restaurants. He TheHero finds the act horrible and almost decides against it until the other heroes give him a DopeSlap.
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* '''Played For Horror''': Congratulations, you unleashed Godzilla. Now enjoy the montage of people being eaten, fatally irradiated, set on fire, stampeding and stepped on, and consider that '''this''' [[WasItReallyWorthIt is supposed to be the "lesser evil".]]
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** There will always be [[GeneralRipper some damn impulsive fool]] that believes that either whatever the hell is going on is the "Godzilla" that the Threshold must deal with or that once the Threshold has been crossed at some point before that there is absolutely no way de-escalation will ever be possible, and if he's left to his own devices he will bring untold amounts of chaos and will defend himself with "IDidWhatIHadToDo".
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** A few techniques are only used if things are absolutely peaceful and stable because of the sheer havok that could be caused if they were sabotaged. For instance a reactor and DeflectorShield combo that can protect from any sort of accidental harm but a deliberate focus of a sufficiently powerful energy weapon or sabotage could blow up a solar system.
** The proper thing to do in the circumstances is judged to let [[TheBadGuyWins Emperor Evulz]] win as opposed to using power that may risk destroying the universe.
** The proper thing to do in the circumstances is judged to let [[TheBadGuyWins Emperor Evulz]] win as opposed to using power that may risk destroying the universe.
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* '''Defied''': The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution.
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* '''Defied''': The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution. And if the third option as proposed looks like it will cross this, they will search for a ''fourth''.