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*** The Red Skull in the Ultimate Universe is actually WORSE. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. He's mentioned as having worked with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, he makes a hobby out of training terrorists and oh yes, he's the guy who killed Kennedy. Just to send a message. His evil is highlighted in his back story where Nick Fury relates how he gave a man's wife a choice: Kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang rape the woman. Oh and he stole all of the food and drink in their house to. Karma does kick him in the crotch when he gets impaled by A JETPLANE BY HIS OWN FATHER and then shot by the same woman, but it's a far easier death then any of his victims. And he's Captain America's SON!!!! His motivation is also extremely petty; He actually does give a reason before his death, but it's so goddamn petty that it makes his crimes worse. He wanted to keep his father from getting frozen so that he could live a normal life.
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*** The Red Skull in the Ultimate Universe is actually WORSE. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. He's mentioned as having worked with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, he makes a hobby out of training terrorists and oh yes, he's the guy who killed Kennedy. Just to send a message. His evil is highlighted in his back story where Nick Fury relates how he gave a man's wife a choice: Kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang rape the woman. Oh and he stole all of the food and drink in their house to. Karma does kick him in the crotch when he gets impaled by A JETPLANE BY HIS OWN FATHER and then shot by the same woman, woman who's baby he murdered, but it's a far easier death then any of his victims. And he's Captain America's SON!!!! His motivation is also extremely petty; He actually does give a reason before his death, but it's so goddamn petty that it makes his crimes worse. He wanted to keep his father from getting frozen so that he could live a normal life.life, despite the fact that he was raised well.
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* The Red Skull, arch-enemy of CaptainAmerica and former second-in-command to [[AdolfHitler Hitler]] in the MarvelUniverse. He's so evil that [[EvenEvilHasStandards even fellow supervillains like Dr. Doom and Magneto despise him]]. Though given that Magneto's family were Jewish (and all but him dies in the Holocaust) and Doom's family were [[strike: gypsies]] Romany, it's not surprising that they would dislike the Skull.
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* The Red Skull, aka Johann Schmidt, arch-enemy of CaptainAmerica and former second-in-command to [[AdolfHitler Hitler]] in the MarvelUniverse. He's so evil that [[EvenEvilHasStandards even fellow supervillains like Dr. Doom and Magneto despise him]]. Though given that Magneto's family were Jewish (and all but him dies in the Holocaust) and Doom's family were [[strike: gypsies]] Romany, it's not surprising that they would dislike the Skull.
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*** The Red Skull in the Ultimate Universe is actually WORSE. He has no motive. He has no reason for doing the horrible things he does. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. He's mentioned as having worked with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, he makes a hobby out of training terrorists and oh yes, he's the guy who killed Kennedy. Just to send a message. His evil is highlighted in his back story where Nick Fury relates how he gave a man's wife a choice: Kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang rape the woman. Oh and he stole all of the food and drink in their house to. Just because. Is it at all suprising that this same woman is ultimately the one who kills him?
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*** The Red Skull in the Ultimate Universe is actually WORSE. He has no motive. He has no reason for doing the horrible things he does. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. He's mentioned as having worked with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, he makes a hobby out of training terrorists and oh yes, he's the guy who killed Kennedy. Just to send a message. His evil is highlighted in his back story where Nick Fury relates how he gave a man's wife a choice: Kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang rape the woman. Oh and he stole all of the food and drink in their house to. Just because. Is it at all suprising Karma does kick him in the crotch when he gets impaled by A JETPLANE BY HIS OWN FATHER and then shot by the same woman, but it's a far easier death then any of his victims. And he's Captain America's SON!!!! His motivation is also extremely petty; He actually does give a reason before his death, but it's so goddamn petty that this same woman is ultimately the one who kills him?it makes his crimes worse. He wanted to keep his father from getting frozen so that he could live a normal life.
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** ''BatmanArkhamAsylum'' has Zsasz and TheJoker, but there's also [[spoiler: the Spirit of Arkham, who mentions wanting to lobotomize Harleen (and after listening again, the implications can be... unsettling), and wanting to kill Poison Ivy ''just for existing'', he may be a KnightTemplar, but even those actions are too far.]]
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*** The Red Skull in the Ultimate Universe is actually WORSE. He has no motive. He has no reason for doing the horrible things he does. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. He's mentioned as having worked with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, he makes a hobby out of training terrorists and oh yes, he's the guy who killed Kennedy. Just to send a message. His evil is highlighted in his back story where Nick Fury relates how he gave a man's wife a choice: Kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang rape the woman. Oh and he stole all of the food and drink in their house to. Just because.
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*** The Red Skull in the Ultimate Universe is actually WORSE. He has no motive. He has no reason for doing the horrible things he does. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. He's mentioned as having worked with numerous historical monsters including infamous mass murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, he makes a hobby out of training terrorists and oh yes, he's the guy who killed Kennedy. Just to send a message. His evil is highlighted in his back story where Nick Fury relates how he gave a man's wife a choice: Kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang rape the woman. Oh and he stole all of the food and drink in their house to. Just because. Is it at all suprising that this same woman is ultimately the one who kills him?
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** Some depictions of TheJoker fall into Complete Monster territory. Like all comic book characters, this [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]] (and to some extent the actor in adaptations, with [[DarkKnightTrilogy Heath Ledger's take]] the cruelest of the lot). [[MonsterClown The Joker]] tends to bounce around between HarmlessVillain, Complete Monster, and MagnificentBastard like a pinball. He epitomizes the trope LaughablyEvil.
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** Some Many depictions (especially modern ones) of TheJoker fall into Complete Monster territory. Like all comic book characters, this [[DependingOnTheWriter depends on the writer]] (and to some extent the actor in adaptations, with [[DarkKnightTrilogy Heath Ledger's take]] the cruelest of the lot). [[MonsterClown The Joker]] tends to bounce around between HarmlessVillain, Complete Monster, and MagnificentBastard like a pinball. He epitomizes the trope LaughablyEvil.
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*** I think it's fair to say that the Joker personifies this trope: hell, it's even been stated that when the other DC villains want to scare each other, "they sit around telling Joker stories". When you have a villain so evil he provides NightmareFuel for the OTHER VILLAINS (not to mention villains much more powerful than him), you know you have a Complete Monster.
*** It's important not to forget, however, that this entry starts with "''some depictions'' of the Joker fall into Complete Monster territory". Some of them occasionally show a (slightly) softer side to him or make him somewhat sympathetic- even the classic example of his sadism quoted above was from ''The Killing Joke'', the story which gave him a [[FreudianExcuse one hell of a tragic backstory]] and ended with him almost sadly admitting to Batman that he's incurably insane. And he's often seen as an incredibly awesome character, monster though he be. There's a REASON he's Batman's number 1 rogue.
**** Yeah, about that backstory of his... there is no indication that it's the real one. Like he himself says in the comic, "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another; [[MultipleChoicePast if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!]]
**** In several stories, the possibility is brought up that the Joker (writer pending, of course) is faking it: He knows pleading insanity will save him from the death penalty after all he's done, so while he's in complete control of his brutal, horrifying actions, he knows just what to say in order to appear to be completely out of his mind. Behind his mad appearance, he's even been personified as rational enough to comprehend that he lives in a comic book.
***** Jason Todd, having recently returned from the dead, made the observation that the Joker is far less insane than he'd like everyone else to think. And there have been quite a few moments where the Joker has briefly switched off his insanity to be rational and lucid, before immediately switching it back on again. This troper agrees with Todd's observation - the Joker knows exactly what he's doing. He just doesn't care.
****** That theory holds some water, until you bring up how the Spectre, the physical manifestation of God's Wrath, whose entire shtick is killing bad guys in poetic justice, decided he could not judge Joker after flying into his mind, on the basis that the man was insane and did not recognize the difference between good and evil. Plus, wouldn't not caring justify insanity anyway? Not to mention that J'onn, one of the most powerful telepaths in the DCU, damn near gave himself a stroke exerting the power necessary to make the Joker's brain temporarily function in a rational fashion for a mere two minutes.
****** Ledger's portrayal of the Joker does have some strong basis in the comics, the idea that the Joker sees the whole world as a 'giant joke.' In the No Man's Land arc Commissioner Gordon gets face to face with a tied up Joker, and BLOWS HIS KNEECAP OFF. The Joker starts with a standard human reaction screaming in pain; however when he realizes he'll be crippled, HE LAUGHS?! Because it reminds him of what he did to Gordon's daughter
**** This Troper personally believes the sometimes speculated theory that the Joker is so insane that he is constantly recreating his personality. This would explain why he rapidly switches back and forth between a monster and harmless, as well as why he sometimes appears completely sane.
**** Just to drive the point home, this Troper has actually encountered comic readers who consider him the most evil character in DC Comics. This taking comparisons to Darkseid into account. Yes, some people consider the Joker to be worse than DC's own personal GodOfEvil
*** It's important not to forget, however, that this entry starts with "''some depictions'' of the Joker fall into Complete Monster territory". Some of them occasionally show a (slightly) softer side to him or make him somewhat sympathetic- even the classic example of his sadism quoted above was from ''The Killing Joke'', the story which gave him a [[FreudianExcuse one hell of a tragic backstory]] and ended with him almost sadly admitting to Batman that he's incurably insane. And he's often seen as an incredibly awesome character, monster though he be. There's a REASON he's Batman's number 1 rogue.
**** Yeah, about that backstory of his... there is no indication that it's the real one. Like he himself says in the comic, "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another; [[MultipleChoicePast if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!]]
**** In several stories, the possibility is brought up that the Joker (writer pending, of course) is faking it: He knows pleading insanity will save him from the death penalty after all he's done, so while he's in complete control of his brutal, horrifying actions, he knows just what to say in order to appear to be completely out of his mind. Behind his mad appearance, he's even been personified as rational enough to comprehend that he lives in a comic book.
***** Jason Todd, having recently returned from the dead, made the observation that the Joker is far less insane than he'd like everyone else to think. And there have been quite a few moments where the Joker has briefly switched off his insanity to be rational and lucid, before immediately switching it back on again. This troper agrees with Todd's observation - the Joker knows exactly what he's doing. He just doesn't care.
****** That theory holds some water, until you bring up how the Spectre, the physical manifestation of God's Wrath, whose entire shtick is killing bad guys in poetic justice, decided he could not judge Joker after flying into his mind, on the basis that the man was insane and did not recognize the difference between good and evil. Plus, wouldn't not caring justify insanity anyway? Not to mention that J'onn, one of the most powerful telepaths in the DCU, damn near gave himself a stroke exerting the power necessary to make the Joker's brain temporarily function in a rational fashion for a mere two minutes.
****** Ledger's portrayal of the Joker does have some strong basis in the comics, the idea that the Joker sees the whole world as a 'giant joke.' In the No Man's Land arc Commissioner Gordon gets face to face with a tied up Joker, and BLOWS HIS KNEECAP OFF. The Joker starts with a standard human reaction screaming in pain; however when he realizes he'll be crippled, HE LAUGHS?! Because it reminds him of what he did to Gordon's daughter
**** This Troper personally believes the sometimes speculated theory that the Joker is so insane that he is constantly recreating his personality. This would explain why he rapidly switches back and forth between a monster and harmless, as well as why he sometimes appears completely sane.
**** Just to drive the point home, this Troper has actually encountered comic readers who consider him the most evil character in DC Comics. This taking comparisons to Darkseid into account. Yes, some people consider the Joker to be worse than DC's own personal GodOfEvil
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*** Though, to be sure, there's almost certainly no way in hell that Black Mask would ever willingly enter a room with the Joker, unarmed.
*** There's almost certainly no way in hell that ''anyone'' would ever willingly enter a room with the Joker, unarmed.
*** And even then, I doubt that, given the choice, someone would want to enter a room with the Joker, armed or not.
*** Harley Quinn would. And various {{Nightmare Fetishist}}s too, for that matter. Not much else, however...
*** Back to Black Mask and the Joker; the Joker once tried to kill Black Mask for stealing the Joker's favorite "job"... [[spoiler: killing Robin. Charming]]. The two would've killed each other had Batman not intervened.
*** There's almost certainly no way in hell that ''anyone'' would ever willingly enter a room with the Joker, unarmed.
*** And even then, I doubt that, given the choice, someone would want to enter a room with the Joker, armed or not.
*** Harley Quinn would. And various {{Nightmare Fetishist}}s too, for that matter. Not much else, however...
*** Back to Black Mask and the Joker; the Joker once tried to kill Black Mask for stealing the Joker's favorite "job"... [[spoiler: killing Robin. Charming]]. The two would've killed each other had Batman not intervened.
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**** And Kun's idea of fun is to corrupt a too-proud aspiring Jedi and then incinerate him with his own anger, or throw an ace pilot around until he looks like an amphistaff's chew toy and then MindRape him across the DespairEventHorizon -- and he would have succeeded were it not for a passing Sith operative-turned-smuggler-turned-Jedi.
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*** Back to Black Mask and the Joker; the Joker once tried to kill Black Mask for stealing the Joker's favorite job... "job"... [[spoiler: killing Robin]].Robin. Charming]]. The two would've killed each other had Batman not intervened.
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**** Just to drive the point home, this Troper has actually encountered comic readers who consider him the most evil character in DC Comics. This taking comparisons to Darkseid into account. Yes, some people consider the Joker to be worse than DC's own personal GodOfEvil
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** Although to give him his due, the [[UltimateMarvel Ultimate Universe]] is even harsher to mutants than the mainstream one. Ultimate {{Deadpool}} and Ultimate Mojo are also completely monstrous: Deadpool gave a speech on TV about how the X-Men (who he repeatedly described as "babies") didn't choose to be mutants and were just born that way, before dismissing them and all mutants as animals who deserved to die horribly, while Mojo's plan was to force Professor X to watch them being hunted down and slaughtered by Deadpool and the Reavers for a reality TV show before ''lobotomising him'' live on air! (Fortunately they hadn't planned for {{Spider Man}}'s invention and Xavier took an unspecified revenge on Mojo instead). The Ultimate Universe is generally a lot DarkerAndEdgier than the classic Marvel universe and {{Complete Monster}}s are almost ''commonplace''.
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** Although to give him his due, the [[UltimateMarvel Ultimate Universe]] is even harsher to mutants than the mainstream one. Ultimate {{Deadpool}} and Ultimate Mojo are also completely monstrous: Deadpool gave a speech on TV about how the X-Men (who he repeatedly described as "babies") didn't choose to be mutants and were just born that way, before dismissing them and all mutants as animals who deserved to die horribly, while Mojo's plan was to force Professor X to watch them being hunted down and slaughtered by Deadpool and the Reavers for a reality TV show before ''lobotomising him'' live on air! (Fortunately they hadn't planned for {{Spider Man}}'s invention intervention and Xavier took an unspecified revenge on Mojo instead). The Ultimate Universe is generally a lot DarkerAndEdgier than the classic Marvel universe and {{Complete Monster}}s are almost ''commonplace''.
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* Likewise, Robotnik from SonicTheComic has shades of this, and instead of teaming up with the heroes to help stop a greater threat and protect his rule, he decides to lure [[EldritchAbomination Chaos]] to them so that they can all finally die for thwarting his plans for so long, even though it also means his own death. Not to mention trying to destroy the entirety of Mobius simply because he was tired of losing to Sonic (though having his entire empire destroyed may have had something to do with it). He's not the only monster in the series, either, Dr. Zachary stole the Master Emerald from the Floating Island in order to get some form of revenge on the other Echidnas, leaving the (inhabited) island to fall out of the sky onto the mountains below. And that's not even mentioning [[AxCrazy Su]][[OmnicidalManiac per]] [[SuperpoweredEvilSide So]][[ChaoticEvil nic]].
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* The Juggernaut([[CharacterDerailment except when in Chuck Austin hands]]). Killing hundreds if not thousands of people. Acts of terrorism up to and including destroying a World Trade Center Tower. A willingness to work for the previously mentioned Red Skull for money. And being able to do all of these things with a smile on his face. Not to mention killing for the right to use a power that compels you to evil acts. While fully aware of this fact. Even Professor Xavier has admitted Cain is beyond redemption.
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* The Juggernaut([[CharacterDerailment except when except]] for a [[RetCon time after]] being in [[DisContinuity Chuck Austin Austin's hands]]). Killing hundreds if not thousands of people. Acts of terrorism up to and including destroying a World Trade Center Tower. A willingness to work for the previously mentioned Red Skull for money. And being able to do all of these things with a smile on his face. Not to mention killing for the right to use a power that compels you to evil acts. While fully aware of this fact. Even Professor Xavier has admitted Cain is beyond redemption.
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* The Juggernaut.Juggernaut([[CharacterDerailment except when in Chuck Austin hands]]). Killing hundreds if not thousands of people. Acts of terrorism up to and including destroying a World Trade Center Tower. A willingness to work for the previously mentioned Red Skull for money. And being able to do all of these things with a smile on his face. Not to mention killing for the right to use a power that compels you to evil acts. While fully aware of this fact. Even Professor Xavier has admitted Cain is beyond redemption.
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* {{Deadpool}},He has personally killed, tortured, and crippled more people than any serial-killer in history in as gruesome fashions as possible for kicks, giggles, impulse, and molah, while cracking jokes and trying to look as cool as possible doing so.
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* {{Deadpool}},He has personally killed, tortured, and crippled more people than any serial-killer in history in as gruesome fashions as possible for kicks, giggles, impulse, and molah, while cracking jokes and trying to look as cool as possible doing so.
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This entry does nto need to be justified. It speaks for itself. You need to justify removing it.
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please not put this in the main page before of ended the discussion in the discussion page , the motive i putted this there was to this not be a Edit War discussion.
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* The Juggernaut. Killing hundreds if not thousands of people. Acts of terrorism up to and including destroying a World Trade Center Tower. A willingness to work for the previously mentioned Red Skull for money. And being able to do all of these things with a smile on his face. Not to mention killing for the right to use a power that compels you to evil acts. While fully aware of this fact. Even Professor Xavier has admitted Cain is beyond redemption.
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The Other Wiki says Professor Xavier already changed his opinion about he be "beyond redemption", after more a Pet The Dog of Marko. In either case, i am putting this in the discussion page.
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*** I think it's fair to say that the Joker personifies this trope: hell, it's even been stated that when the other DC villains want to scare each other, "they sit around telling Joker stories". When you have a villain so evil he provides NightmareFuel for the OTHER VILLAINS, you know you have a Complete Monster.
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*** I think it's fair to say that the Joker personifies this trope: hell, it's even been stated that when the other DC villains want to scare each other, "they sit around telling Joker stories". When you have a villain so evil he provides NightmareFuel for the OTHER VILLAINS, VILLAINS (not to mention villains much more powerful than him), you know you have a Complete Monster.
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"Juggernaut is not a Complete Monster, he has had far too many pet the dog moments and even joined the X-men. " I also heard about this Heel Face Turn.
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Juggernaut is not a Complete Monster, he has had far too many pet the dog moments and even joined the X-men.
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