Follow TV Tropes

Following

History MemeticLoser / Pokemon

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Supercell Slam has identical damage and accuracy to Jump Kick, not High Jump Kick. (I'm pedantic, I know.)


** On a similar vein, Slaking will forever be remembered as the mon that starts as a pathetic sloth that seems to gain vitality and strength as Vigoroth only to end up with stats ''on the same level as [[EldritchAbomination Groudon or Kyogre]]'' but with an ability that makes it unable to attack every other turn.

to:

** On a similar vein, * Slaking will forever be remembered as the mon that starts as a pathetic sloth that sloth, seems to gain vitality and strength as Vigoroth only to end Vigoroth, and ends up with stats ''on the same level as [[EldritchAbomination [[OlympusMons Groudon or Kyogre]]'' Kyogre]]''... but with an ability that makes it unable to attack every other turn.turn, turning it from a terrifying offensive threat to [[LowTierLetdown one of the worst Pokémon in the game.]]



** Physical Electric-type Pokémon, most notably Luxray, are often a target of mockery for their perennial lack of good STAB moves, and consequently being doomed to LowTierLetdown status as a result. The best STAB option for most of them, Wild Charge, is a ScrappyWeapon for having the same base power as Thunderbolt, but [[CastFromHitPoints recoil damage]] and no paralysis chance, leading to jokes that Game Freak blatantly favors special Electric-types over physical ones. The ones which evade this status, such as Zeraora and Pawmot, have better [[SecretArt signature moves]] to fill this role. This has been downplayed to a certain extent by the introduction of Supercell Slam, a more accurate Electric-type counterpart to High Jump Kick, but the issue of massive recoil still exists should the move miss or be nullified by ubiquitous Ground-types.

to:

** Physical Electric-type Pokémon, most notably Luxray, are often a target of mockery for their perennial lack of good STAB moves, and consequently being doomed to LowTierLetdown status as a result. The best STAB option for most of them, Wild Charge, is a ScrappyWeapon for having the same base power as Thunderbolt, but [[CastFromHitPoints recoil damage]] and no paralysis chance, leading to jokes that Game Freak blatantly favors special Electric-types over physical ones. The ones which evade this status, such as Zeraora and Pawmot, have better [[SecretArt signature moves]] to fill this role. This has been downplayed to a certain extent by the introduction of Supercell Slam, a more accurate an Electric-type counterpart to High Jump Kick, but the issue of massive recoil still exists should the move miss or be nullified by ubiquitous Ground-types.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s)


** Physical Electric-type Pokémon, most notably Luxray, are often a target of mockery for their perennial lack of good STAB moves, and consequently being doomed to LowTierLetdown status as a result. The best STAB option for most of them, Wild Charge, is a ScrappyWeapon for having the same base power as Thunderbolt, but [[CastFromHitPoints recoil damage]] and no paralysis chance, leading to jokes that Game Freak blatantly favors special Electric-types over physical ones. The ones which evade this status, such as Zeraora and Pawmot, have better [[SecretArt signature moves]] to fill this role.

to:

** Physical Electric-type Pokémon, most notably Luxray, are often a target of mockery for their perennial lack of good STAB moves, and consequently being doomed to LowTierLetdown status as a result. The best STAB option for most of them, Wild Charge, is a ScrappyWeapon for having the same base power as Thunderbolt, but [[CastFromHitPoints recoil damage]] and no paralysis chance, leading to jokes that Game Freak blatantly favors special Electric-types over physical ones. The ones which evade this status, such as Zeraora and Pawmot, have better [[SecretArt signature moves]] to fill this role. This has been downplayed to a certain extent by the introduction of Supercell Slam, a more accurate Electric-type counterpart to High Jump Kick, but the issue of massive recoil still exists should the move miss or be nullified by ubiquitous Ground-types.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example from the main YMMV page for Scarlet and Violet

Added DiffLines:

* Iron Jugulis usually isn't taken seriously by fans, for a couple of reasons. In addition to its [[InherentlyFunnyWords funny name]] and being considered one of the least inspired Paradox Pokémon in terms of design, it's also mocked for inheriting Charizard's "curse" of being a dragon Pokémon that isn't even Dragon-type, in '''2022'''.[[note]]Charizard at least had the excuse of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness concerning the Dragon type.[[/note]] Fans speculate that something ''must'' have gone wrong during [[{{Robosexual}} the Hydreigon-robot mating ritual]] that allegedly created the species. Even in battles, it can't learn Hydreigon's best nuke option of Draco Meteor[[note]]which can only be learned by permanent Dragon-types, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg Mew, and Arceus]][[/note]] and has to settle with the AwesomeButImpractical Hurricane instead. It's one of the more mediocre Paradox Pokémon on Website/{{Smogon}} and has only niche viability in VGC, and the fact that it's a counterpart to the [[HighTierScrappy exceedingly overpowered]] Flutter Mane is often used as an example of Game Freak favoring ''Scarlet'' over ''Violet'' when it comes to version exclusives.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Articuno, despite being quite powerful in the lore and independently popular due to its pleasing design, has becomes something of a byword for an underwhelming Legendary since Generation II, when the Special split caused it to take a harsh cut to its offense. The short version is, while Articuno has high stats overall, they're distributed such that its only standout stat is Special Defense, and it also has an Ice/Flying typing that gives it some major issues as a wall (particularly a x4 Rock weakness that turns Stealth Rock into a death sentence). Though it's far from the only Legendary to not perform well competitively, or even the worst one[[note]]the true answer is likely either Phione or base Calyrex, depending on who you talk to, though both of them were intentionally made to be unimpressive[[/note]], its miserable tiering placements over multiple generations coupled with FirstInstallmentWins makes it something of a default pick when discussing why legendaries aren't necessarily banworthy. That said, Articuno did manage to take back some ground when player Nikhil Reddy won a VGC tournament while running a bizarrely simplistic Articuno set[[note]]three different Ice STAB moves, with the fourth being Sheer Cold, Choice Specs, Ice Tera-type[[/note]] that nonetheless paid off thanks to good team support.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Electivire is often treated as a loser for a number of reasons. For starters, it's saddled with being a physical Electric-type, an archetype that's notoriously poor in competitive ''Pokémon'' as detailed below. Two things make Electivire stand out from others of its ilk, however; the first is its status as a [[SkillGateCharacter noob trap]] in its debut generation, as the "Gyaravire" core, in which it was paired with the much stronger Gyarados in order to (in theory) cover each other's offensive weaknesses, gained significant popularity despite being predictable and easy to beat in practice. This resulted in Electivire being locked into Generation IV OU by the end of its lifespan despite having no viability there. The second is its [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive design]], with many fans of its pre-evolution Electabuzz finding it to be a goofy-looking downgrade to the Electric Pokémon.

to:

* Electivire is often treated as a loser for a number of reasons. For starters, it's saddled with being a physical Electric-type, an archetype that's notoriously poor in competitive ''Pokémon'' as detailed below. Two things make Electivire stand out from others of its ilk, however; the first is its status as a [[SkillGateCharacter [[SkillGateCharacters noob trap]] in its debut generation, as the "Gyaravire" core, in which it was paired with the much stronger Gyarados in order to (in theory) cover each other's offensive weaknesses, gained significant popularity despite being predictable and easy to beat in practice. This resulted in Electivire being locked into Generation IV OU by the end of its lifespan despite having no viability there. The second is its [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive design]], with many fans of its pre-evolution Electabuzz finding it to be a goofy-looking downgrade to the Electric Pokémon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Ledian is often mocked by the fandom, even more so than the other Bug-type CrutchCharacter Pokémon. Part of the reason is that, despite learning several punching moves and having Iron Fist as its hidden ability, it has a base Attack stat of 35, on par with [[SarcasmMode such muscle-bound brawlers]] as ''Kadabra''.

to:

* Ledian is often mocked by the fandom, even more so than the other Bug-type CrutchCharacter Pokémon. Part of the reason is that, despite learning several punching moves and having Iron Fist as its hidden ability, it has a base Attack stat of 35, on par with [[SarcasmMode such muscle-bound brawlers]] as ''Kadabra''. It's often the punchline of jokes mocking the "win using your favorites" mindset.



* Delcatty gets mocked a lot for having a rather low 380 base stat total for what's supposed to be a fully evolved Pokémon, which basically puts it in line with the fully evolved [[CrutchCharacter early Bugs]]. However, you have to wait longer to get Delcatty due to it being a Moon Stone evolution -- for a lot of people, the wait for such an abysmal Pokémon later in the game isn't worth it. Delcatty got buffed up to 400 BST from Gen VII onward alongside receiving a buff to its Normalize ability, but even then, its reputation as a weak Pokémon has stuck with it.

to:

* Delcatty gets mocked a lot for having a rather low 380 base stat total for what's supposed to be a fully evolved Pokémon, which basically puts it in line with the fully evolved [[CrutchCharacter early Bugs]]. However, you have to wait longer to get Delcatty due to it being a Moon Stone evolution -- for a lot of people, the wait for such an abysmal Pokémon later in the game isn't worth it. Delcatty got buffed up to 400 BST from Gen VII onward alongside receiving a buff to its Normalize ability, but even then, its reputation as a weak Pokémon has stuck with it. It's also known for being heavily OutOfFocus in the later games, leading to jokes that Game Freak forgot Delcatty even existed -- while it and Skitty were fairly prominent in the Gen III games, since then, they've rarely appeared in any regional dexes, with their last non-remake appearance being in ''X and Y''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Electivire is often treated as a loser for a number of reasons. For starters, it's saddled with being a physical Electric-type, an archetype that's notoriously poor in competitive ''Pokémon'' as detailed below. Two things make Electivire stand out from others of its ilk, however; the first is its status as a [[SkillGateCharacter noob trap]] in its debut generation, as the "Gyaravire" core, in which it was paired with the much stronger Gyarados in order to (in theory) cover each other's offensive weaknesses, gained significant popularity despite being predictable and easy to beat in practice. This resulted in Electivire being locked into Generation IV OU by the end of its lifespan despite having no viability there. The second is its [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive design]], with many fans of its pre-evolution Electabuzz finding it to be a goofy-looking downgrade to the Electric Pokémon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Hisuian Avalugg. Its Kalosian counterpart already was a LowTierLetdown due to being a MightyGlacier with a [[AnIcePerson type]] more suited for a GlassCannon or FragileSpeedster, so many fans were excited to see how it would fare in ''Legends Arceus'', since it's a game that turned other lackluster Pokémon such as Goodra, Basculin, and Ursaring into more than respectable mons. Instead, it received a set of traits that seem almost designed to be useless: the [[DishingOutDirt Rock]] type, literally the only thing that could've made it defensively weaker, a boost to Speed that still leaves it only slightly faster than Slowbro, an ability (Strong Jaw, which boosts biting attacks) that can only be used with two of its moves (Ice Fang and Crunch), and a signature move (Mountain Gale) with a chance to flinch the opponent, despite the fact that it's too slow to ever outspeed and flinch anything. To quote WebVideo/{{Magcarjoe}}:

to:

* Hisuian Avalugg. Its Kalosian counterpart was already was a LowTierLetdown due to being a MightyGlacier with a [[AnIcePerson type]] more suited for a GlassCannon or FragileSpeedster, so many fans were excited to see how it would fare in ''Legends Arceus'', since it's a game that turned other lackluster Pokémon such as Goodra, Basculin, and Ursaring into more than respectable mons. Instead, it received a set of traits that seem almost designed to be useless: the [[DishingOutDirt Rock]] type, literally the only thing that could've made it defensively weaker, weaker; a boost to Speed that still leaves it only slightly faster than Slowbro, Slowbro; an ability (Strong Jaw, which boosts biting attacks) that can only be used with two of its moves (Ice Fang and Crunch), Crunch); and a signature move (Mountain Gale) with a chance to flinch the opponent, despite the fact that it's too slow to ever outspeed and flinch anything. To quote WebVideo/{{Magcarjoe}}:



* Seviper and Heatmor are often mocked for being considered drastically inferior to their respective rivals, Zangoose and Durant.

to:

* Seviper and Heatmor are often mocked for being considered drastically inferior to their respective rivals, Zangoose and Durant. Heatmor in particular is well-known for the fact that Durant, a Pokémon which has a double weakness to its Fire type and which it eats in large quantities, can outspeed it and OneHitKO it with a Rock- or Ground-type coverage move.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Regigigas will quite possibly remain in this status as long as it retains in signature Ability, Slow Start, which halves its Attack and Speed for an excruciating five turns, despite really lacking the movepool to stall out those turns and just begging foes to force it out with Roar or Dragon Tail. It's often seen as the worst Legendary in the entire series, even being outclassed by evolved ComMons like Raticate and Stoutland, leaving it largely as the butt of jokes. And just to add insult to injury, when it puts in a post-game appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' a game which completely excludes Pokémon abilities, the devs still saw fit to make sure it had Slow Start anyway.

to:

* Regigigas will quite possibly remain in this status as long as it retains in signature Ability, Slow Start, which halves its Attack and Speed for an excruciating five turns, despite really lacking the movepool to stall out those turns and just begging foes to force it out with Roar or Dragon Tail. It's often seen as the worst Legendary in the entire series, even being outclassed by evolved ComMons like Raticate and Stoutland, leaving it largely as the butt of jokes. And just to add insult to injury, when it puts in a post-game appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' a game which that completely excludes Pokémon abilities, the devs still saw fit to make sure it had Slow Start anyway.



* While otherwise every bit [[TheAce The Champion]] the game and fandom portray him as, Leon quite simply [[NoSenseOfDirection couldn't find his way home]] on a straight road without his ''younger'' brother's help. This often extends in fanworks to him stumbling into ''[[CharacterExaggeration alternate realities]]'' [[AchievementsInIgnorance just to get somewhere mundane]].

to:

* While otherwise every bit [[TheAce The Champion]] the game and fandom portray him as, as Leon quite simply [[NoSenseOfDirection couldn't find his way home]] on a straight road without his ''younger'' brother's help. This often extends in fanworks to him stumbling into ''[[CharacterExaggeration alternate realities]]'' realities and different points in time]]'' [[AchievementsInIgnorance just to get somewhere mundane]].



* For the standards of Champions, Geeta from ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' has a bad team and an even worse strategy to use them.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Some members of her team include ComMon Gogoat and the notorious LowTierLetdown Avalugg. Her Veluza doesn't have the power-boosting Sharpness ability and doesn't set up with [[StatusBuff Fillet Away]], making its offense completely mediocre. Her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon made to set up field hazards, but it's sent out last, so her team can't take advantage of them. Meanwhile, her Kingambit, a Pokémon which gets stronger the more of its teammates have been defeated, is sent out early.[[/labelnote]] Because of this, combined with the hint that she's a PointyHairedBoss to fan-favorite Larry, she's come to be portrayed as a fumbling embarrassment to the title and concept of Champion. To put this in perspective, even ''Guzma'', the above-mentioned silly LargeHam doofus, the guy whose childhood bedroom [[AlwaysSecondBest is filled with bronze trophies and a single silver trophy]], the guy who ''flunked out of his region's equivalent of the Gym Challenge'', is still competent enough to use his own ace properly, sending it out first to take full advantage of both its ability and SignatureMove. Even when the ''Indigo Disk'' corrected this and had her send Glimmora out first and her Kingambit out last (complete with Tera-Flying to dodge its weaknesses to Ground and Fighting), by then it was too late.

to:

* For the standards of Champions, Geeta from ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' has a bad team and an even worse strategy to use them.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Some members of her team include ComMon Gogoat and the notorious LowTierLetdown Avalugg. Her Veluza doesn't have the power-boosting Sharpness ability and doesn't set up with [[StatusBuff Fillet Away]], making its offense completely mediocre. Her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon made to set up field hazards, but it's sent out last, so her team can't take advantage of them. Meanwhile, her Kingambit, a Pokémon which that gets stronger the more of its teammates have been defeated, is sent out early.[[/labelnote]] Because of this, combined with the hint that she's a PointyHairedBoss to fan-favorite Larry, she's come to be portrayed as a fumbling embarrassment to the title and concept of Champion. To put this in perspective, even ''Guzma'', the above-mentioned silly LargeHam doofus, the guy whose childhood bedroom [[AlwaysSecondBest is filled with bronze trophies and a single silver trophy]], the guy who ''flunked out of his region's equivalent of the Gym Challenge'', is still competent enough to use his own ace properly, sending it out first to take full advantage of both its ability and SignatureMove. Even when the ''Indigo Disk'' corrected this and had her send Glimmora out first and her Kingambit out last (complete with Tera-Flying to dodge its weaknesses to Ground and Fighting), by then it was too late.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Diantha is generally regarded as one of the worst Champions in the series, suffering not only from a fairly easy battle (even though her team is hardly weak), but also a dearth of screentime beforehand, ultimately not leaving much of an impression.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Spidops, introduced in ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'', is frequently mocked for being a weak CrutchCharacter in a generation infamous for major PowerCreep in its new Pokémon. A fellow early two-stage Bug family, Nymble/Lokix, being actually decent did it no favors.

to:

* Spidops, introduced in ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'', is frequently mocked for being a weak CrutchCharacter reminiscent of earlier Bug-types in a generation infamous for major PowerCreep in its new Pokémon. A The fact that fellow early two-stage Bug family, Nymble/Lokix, being actually decent did has an only somewhat better BST but also a far better movepool, stat spread, and general gameplay direction that makes it no favors.surprisingly decent, even by Gen IX standards, makes Spidops look especially embarrassing by comparison.

Added: 470

Removed: 458

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Virizion, Tapu Bulu, and Wo-chien are often lumped together as a friend group of complete losers due to sharing the dishonor of being Grass-type members of Legendary quartets where they're far weaker than their fellow members. Tapu Bulu in particular is the butt of many jokes where its position as the Guardian of Ula'Ula Island by the non-legendary Rillaboom, another Pokémon with its Grassy Surge ability who can utilize the terrain summoned far better.


Added DiffLines:

** Virizion, Tapu Bulu, and Wo-Chien are often lumped together as a friend group of complete losers due to sharing the dishonor of being Grass-type members of Legendary quartets where they're far weaker than their fellow members. Tapu Bulu in particular is the butt of many jokes where its position as the Guardian of Ula'Ula Island is usurped by the non-legendary Rillaboom, another Pokémon with its Grassy Surge ability who can utilize the terrain summoned far better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*Seviper and Heatmor are often mocked for being considered drastically inferior to their respective rivals, Zangoose and Durant.
*Virizion, Tapu Bulu, and Wo-chien are often lumped together as a friend group of complete losers due to sharing the dishonor of being Grass-type members of Legendary quartets where they're far weaker than their fellow members. Tapu Bulu in particular is the butt of many jokes where its position as the Guardian of Ula'Ula Island by the non-legendary Rillaboom, another Pokémon with its Grassy Surge ability who can utilize the terrain summoned far better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Zygarde is widely mocked due to the fact that, despite clearly being designed in the vein of similar "third legendaries" like Giratina, Rayquaza, and Kyurem, it never received a spotlight game or [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter any meaningful expansion on its original concept of a protector against natural disasters,]] with its new formes ended up being shunted into ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' as a plot-irrelevant CollectionSidequest. It doesn't help much that in its debut appearance, it was basically just a strictly worse Garchomp due to lacking its signature move and ability. The anime did reduce a bit of this status but it still sticks with it. In ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', more specifically in the Crown Tundra DLC, it almost lost this since it becomes the hardest Dynamax Legendary to fight.

to:

* Zygarde is widely mocked due to the fact that, despite clearly being designed in the vein of similar "third legendaries" like Giratina, Rayquaza, and Kyurem, it never received a spotlight game or [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter any meaningful expansion on its original concept of a protector against natural disasters,]] with its new formes ended up being shunted into ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' as a plot-irrelevant CollectionSidequest. It doesn't help much that in its debut appearance, it was basically just a strictly worse Garchomp due to lacking its signature move and ability. The anime did reduce a bit of this status but it still sticks with it. In ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', more specifically in the Crown Tundra DLC, it almost lost this took back a bit of ground since it becomes the hardest Dynamax Legendary to fight.fight. Twelve years down the line, however, Zygarde ''finally'' shed this reputation with the announcement of ''Pokemon Legends Z-A'', giving it its long-overdue spotlight game at a time where most people were expecting a Unova remake--before long, people were reworking the old memes mocking Zygarde to be about its triumphant return to form.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


--> '''Magcarjoe''': Now listen little Timmy, I want you to look me, look me right in the eyes and say "Gamefreak had no malicious intent in making a [[MightyGlacier defensive Pokémon]] have the worst dual typing in the entire game [...] [[FromBadToWorse But it gets worse, oh it gets worse]]: They had the audacity to give this thing with more weaknesses than a man with glass bones and paper skin stats like it's a tank. Oh yeah, it's definitely a tank, [[GeniusBonus too bad the tank they based it off it's the goddamn Tog,]] [[FakeUltimateMook fine defense right there, oh movement speed? What's that?]] [[GeniusBonus This is absolutely not a TOG2 moment.]]

to:

--> '''Magcarjoe''': Now listen little Timmy, I want you to look me, look me right in the eyes and say "Gamefreak had no malicious intent in making a [[MightyGlacier defensive Pokémon]] have the worst dual typing in the entire game [...] [[FromBadToWorse But it gets worse, oh it gets worse]]: They had the audacity to give this thing with more weaknesses than a man with glass bones and paper skin stats like it's a tank. Oh yeah, it's definitely a tank, [[GeniusBonus too bad the tank they based it off it's the goddamn Tog,]] Tog]], [[FakeUltimateMook fine defense right there, oh movement speed? speed?]] What's that?]] that? [[GeniusBonus This is absolutely not a TOG2 moment.]]

Added: 597

Changed: 2

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Pokémon with dual typings that are 4x weak to grass, like Rock/Ground, Rock/Water, Water/Ground often get clowned on in memes. They are often depicted as being gravely injured or outright dying when they come in contact with a single blade of grass or a leaf. Similarly, Pokémon that are 4x weak to Water (with the exception of [[MemeticBadass Magcargo]]) get depicted as instantly dying if they get splashed with a bit of water or get caught in the rain.

to:

* Pokémon with dual typings that are 4x weak to grass, Grass, like Rock/Ground, Rock/Water, Water/Ground and Water/Ground, often get clowned on in memes. They are often depicted as being gravely injured or outright dying when they come in contact with a single blade of grass or a leaf. Similarly, Pokémon that are 4x weak to Water (with the exception of [[MemeticBadass Magcargo]]) get depicted as instantly dying if they get splashed with a bit of water or get caught in the rain.



* Spidops, introduced in ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' is frequently mocked for being a weak CrutchCharacter in a generation infamous for major PowerCreep in its new Pokémon. A fellow early two-stage Bug family, Nymble/Lokix, being actually decent did it no favors.

to:

* Spidops, introduced in ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'', is frequently mocked for being a weak CrutchCharacter in a generation infamous for major PowerCreep in its new Pokémon. A fellow early two-stage Bug family, Nymble/Lokix, being actually decent did it no favors.


Added DiffLines:

** Physical Electric-type Pokémon, most notably Luxray, are often a target of mockery for their perennial lack of good STAB moves, and consequently being doomed to LowTierLetdown status as a result. The best STAB option for most of them, Wild Charge, is a ScrappyWeapon for having the same base power as Thunderbolt, but [[CastFromHitPoints recoil damage]] and no paralysis chance, leading to jokes that Game Freak blatantly favors special Electric-types over physical ones. The ones which evade this status, such as Zeraora and Pawmot, have better [[SecretArt signature moves]] to fill this role.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Ledian is often mocked by the fandom, even more so than the other Bug-type CrutchCharacter Pokémon. Part of the reason is that, despite learning several punching moves and having Iron Fist as its hidden ability, it has a base Attack stat of 35, on par with such muscle-bound brawlers as ''Kadabra''.

to:

* Ledian is often mocked by the fandom, even more so than the other Bug-type CrutchCharacter Pokémon. Part of the reason is that, despite learning several punching moves and having Iron Fist as its hidden ability, it has a base Attack stat of 35, on par with [[SarcasmMode such muscle-bound brawlers brawlers]] as ''Kadabra''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Spelling/grammar fix(es)


* Celebi from ''Anime/Pokemon4Ever'', despite recieving a case of AdaptationalAbomination, is constantly tossed around during the movie, can't seem to win anything, and his status as a Guardian of the Forest seems more of an InformedAttribute. Subsequent appearences of Celebi didn't do it any favours, since it kept being defeated by much weaker mons, infamously a Houndour and a Shuppet.

to:

* Celebi from ''Anime/Pokemon4Ever'', despite recieving receiving a case of AdaptationalAbomination, is constantly tossed around during the movie, can't seem to win anything, and his status as a Guardian of the Forest seems more of an InformedAttribute. Subsequent appearences of Celebi didn't do it any favours, since it kept being defeated by much weaker mons, infamously a Houndour and a Shuppet.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Pokémon with dual typings that are 4x weak to grass, like Rock/Ground, Rock/Water, Water/Ground often get clowned on in memes. They are often depicted as being gravely injured or outright dying when they come in contact with a single blade of grass or a leaf.

to:

* Pokémon with dual typings that are 4x weak to grass, like Rock/Ground, Rock/Water, Water/Ground often get clowned on in memes. They are often depicted as being gravely injured or outright dying when they come in contact with a single blade of grass or a leaf. Similarly, Pokémon that are 4x weak to Water (with the exception of [[MemeticBadass Magcargo]]) get depicted as instantly dying if they get splashed with a bit of water or get caught in the rain.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Quite a few Pokémon start off as competitive mainstays or outright {{Game Breaker}}s, but due to PowerCreep or outright nerfs, [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen start to tumble out of their once-lofty positions]], which invariably causes this. Tauros, for instance, was considered the scariest Pokémon outside of Mewtwo and Mew in the first generation, but the many axes taken to its stats, its Normal typing, and its main moves caused it to decline all the way to the ignominious tier of ZUBL in Gen IX (as in, it was banned from the lowest available tier and is nonviable in any higher tier). This creates a lot of jokes about them having peaked in high school, abruptly getting fired from their once-stable jobs, or getting clowned on by Pokémon they were once considered far superior to.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Hisuian Avalugg. Its Kalosian counterpart already was a LowTierLetdown due to being a MightyGlacier with a [[AnIcePerson type]] more suited for a GlassCannon or FragileSpeedster, so many fans were excited to see how it would fare in ''Legends Arceus'', since it's a game that turned other lackluster Pokémon such as Goodra, Basculin, and Ursaring into more than respectable mons. Instead, it recieved the [[DishingOutDirt Rock]] type, literally the only thing that could've made it weaker, and an ability (Strong Jaw, it boosts biting attacks) that can only be used with two of its moves, Ice Fang and Crunch. To quote WebVideo/{{Magcarjoe}}:
--> '''Magcarjoe''': Now listen little Timmy, I want you to look me, look me right in the eyes and say "Gamefreak had no malicious intent in making a [[MightyGlacier defensive Pokémon]] have the worst dual typing in the entire game [...] [[FromBadToWorse But it gets worse, oh it gets worse]]: They had the audacity to give this thing with more weaknesses than a man with glass bones and paper skin stats like it's a tank. Oh yeah, it's definetely a tank, [[GeniusBonus too bad the tank they based it off it's the goddamn Tog,]] [[FakeUltimateMook fine defense right there, oh movement speed? What's that?]]. [[GeniusBonus This is absolutely not a TOG2 moment.]]

to:

* Hisuian Avalugg. Its Kalosian counterpart already was a LowTierLetdown due to being a MightyGlacier with a [[AnIcePerson type]] more suited for a GlassCannon or FragileSpeedster, so many fans were excited to see how it would fare in ''Legends Arceus'', since it's a game that turned other lackluster Pokémon such as Goodra, Basculin, and Ursaring into more than respectable mons. Instead, it recieved received a set of traits that seem almost designed to be useless: the [[DishingOutDirt Rock]] type, literally the only thing that could've made it defensively weaker, and a boost to Speed that still leaves it only slightly faster than Slowbro, an ability (Strong Jaw, it which boosts biting attacks) that can only be used with two of its moves, Ice moves (Ice Fang and Crunch.Crunch), and a signature move (Mountain Gale) with a chance to flinch the opponent, despite the fact that it's too slow to ever outspeed and flinch anything. To quote WebVideo/{{Magcarjoe}}:
--> '''Magcarjoe''': Now listen little Timmy, I want you to look me, look me right in the eyes and say "Gamefreak had no malicious intent in making a [[MightyGlacier defensive Pokémon]] have the worst dual typing in the entire game [...] [[FromBadToWorse But it gets worse, oh it gets worse]]: They had the audacity to give this thing with more weaknesses than a man with glass bones and paper skin stats like it's a tank. Oh yeah, it's definetely definitely a tank, [[GeniusBonus too bad the tank they based it off it's the goddamn Tog,]] [[FakeUltimateMook fine defense right there, oh movement speed? What's that?]]. that?]] [[GeniusBonus This is absolutely not a TOG2 moment.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Amongst the four trade-evolution Pokémon from gen I, Golem tends to be treated as the ButtMonkey that no one's able to take seriously and is forgotten about compared to the other three. This is because Alakazam and Gengar are considered to be two of the strongest Pokémon of Gen I, and still are with each passing generation. Meanwhile, Machamp started off okay, but eventually gained a massive following over the years. Particularly after Machamp was given an ability in No Guard that paired perfectly with Dynamic Punch to make it perfectly accurate, which gave it a unique niche in competitive play. Meanwhile, other than getting an Alolan variant in Gen VII, Golem's been left to rot. While the other three were commonly seen in unique trainer teams to the point of being staples of their types, Golem was barely used by trainers, and nobody uses one in its debut — perhaps because it's the final form of a ComMon, and perhaps because its [[AchillesHeel disastrous weaknesses to Water- and Grass-type moves]] make it a pushover against most late-game teams.

to:

* Amongst the four trade-evolution Pokémon from gen I, Golem tends to be treated as the ButtMonkey that no one's able to take seriously and is forgotten about compared to the other three. This is because Alakazam and Gengar are considered to be two of the strongest Pokémon of Gen I, and still are with each passing generation. Meanwhile, Machamp started off okay, but eventually gained a massive following over the years. Particularly after Machamp was given an ability in No Guard that paired perfectly with Dynamic Punch to make it perfectly accurate, which gave it a unique niche in competitive play. Meanwhile, other than getting an Alolan variant in Gen VII, Golem's been left to rot. While the other three were commonly seen in unique trainer teams to the point of being staples of their types, Golem was barely used by trainers, and nobody uses one in its debut — perhaps because it's the final form of a ComMon, and perhaps because its [[AchillesHeel disastrous weaknesses to Water- and Grass-type moves]] make it a pushover against most late-game teams. This is pushed further in competitive circles, where Golem was OU in the first generation for over a decade, only for it to drop to NU thanks to some new discoveries destroying its old niche and causing it to be seen as a worse Rhydon. Not even being a great Pokémon in Gen II OU could save it after that, as later generations weren't much kinder to it.

Added: 301

Changed: 3

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Celebi from ''Anime/Pokemon4Ever'', despite recieving a case of AdaptationalAbomination is constantly tossed around during the movie, can't seem to win anything and his status as a Guardian of the Forest seems more of an InformedAttribute. Subsequent appearences of Celebi didn't do it any favours, since it kept being defeated by much weaker mons, infamously a Houndor and a Shuppet.

to:

* Celebi from ''Anime/Pokemon4Ever'', despite recieving a case of AdaptationalAbomination AdaptationalAbomination, is constantly tossed around during the movie, can't seem to win anything anything, and his status as a Guardian of the Forest seems more of an InformedAttribute. Subsequent appearences of Celebi didn't do it any favours, since it kept being defeated by much weaker mons, infamously a Houndor Houndour and a Shuppet.


Added DiffLines:

* Ledian is often mocked by the fandom, even more so than the other Bug-type CrutchCharacter Pokémon. Part of the reason is that, despite learning several punching moves and having Iron Fist as its hidden ability, it has a base Attack stat of 35, on par with such muscle-bound brawlers as ''Kadabra''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* While otherwise every bit [[TheAce The Champion]] the game and fandom portray him as, Leon quite simply [[NoSenseOfDirection couldn't find his way home]] on a straight road without his ''younger'' brother's help. This often extends in fanworks to him stumbling into ''alternate realities''.

to:

* While otherwise every bit [[TheAce The Champion]] the game and fandom portray him as, Leon quite simply [[NoSenseOfDirection couldn't find his way home]] on a straight road without his ''younger'' brother's help. This often extends in fanworks to him stumbling into ''alternate realities''.''[[CharacterExaggeration alternate realities]]'' [[AchievementsInIgnorance just to get somewhere mundane]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* For the standards of Champions, Geeta from ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' has a bad team and an even worse strategy to use them.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Some members of her team include ComMon Gogoat and the notorious LowTierLetdown Avalugg. Her Veluza doesn't have the power-boosting Sharpness ability and doesn't set up with [[StatusBuff Fillet Away]], making its offense completely mediocre. Her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon made to set up field hazards, but it's sent out last, so her team can't take advantage of them. Meanwhile, her Kingambit, a Pokémon which gets stronger the more of its teammates have been defeated, is sent out early.[[/labelnote]] Because of this, combined with the hint that she's a PointyHairedBoss to fan-favorite Larry, she's come to be portrayed as a fumbling embarrassment to the title and concept of Champion. To put this in perspective, even ''Guzma'', the above-mentioned silly LargeHam doofus, the guy whose childhood bedroom [[AlwaysSecondBest is filled with bronze trophies and a single silver trophy]], the guy who ''flunked out of his region's equivalent of the Gym Challenge'', is still competent enough to use his own ace properly, sending it out first to take full advantage of both its ability and SignatureMove.

to:

* For the standards of Champions, Geeta from ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' has a bad team and an even worse strategy to use them.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Some members of her team include ComMon Gogoat and the notorious LowTierLetdown Avalugg. Her Veluza doesn't have the power-boosting Sharpness ability and doesn't set up with [[StatusBuff Fillet Away]], making its offense completely mediocre. Her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon made to set up field hazards, but it's sent out last, so her team can't take advantage of them. Meanwhile, her Kingambit, a Pokémon which gets stronger the more of its teammates have been defeated, is sent out early.[[/labelnote]] Because of this, combined with the hint that she's a PointyHairedBoss to fan-favorite Larry, she's come to be portrayed as a fumbling embarrassment to the title and concept of Champion. To put this in perspective, even ''Guzma'', the above-mentioned silly LargeHam doofus, the guy whose childhood bedroom [[AlwaysSecondBest is filled with bronze trophies and a single silver trophy]], the guy who ''flunked out of his region's equivalent of the Gym Challenge'', is still competent enough to use his own ace properly, sending it out first to take full advantage of both its ability and SignatureMove. Even when the ''Indigo Disk'' corrected this and had her send Glimmora out first and her Kingambit out last (complete with Tera-Flying to dodge its weaknesses to Ground and Fighting), by then it was too late.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Since the release of ''Scarlet and Violet'', Corviknight has often been portrayed as a hapless victim of Tinkaton, with the latter apparently being such an effective predator of it that they've been deemed unsafe to use as transportation in Paldea.

to:

* Since the release of ''Scarlet and Violet'', Corviknight has often been portrayed as a hapless victim of Tinkaton, with who will hunt and attack Corviknight to the latter apparently being such an effective predator of it point that they've been deemed unsafe to use as transportation in Paldea.Paldea. This is despite Tinkaton's dex entry calling this act "daring", implying that Tinkaton does this [[ChallengeSeeker for the challenge]] and that Corviknight usually comes out on top in their encounters.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Regigigas will quite possibly remain in this status as long as it retains in signature Ability, Slow Start, which halves its Attack and Speed for an excruciating five turns, despite really lacking the movepool to stall out those turns and just begging foes to force it out with Roar or Dragon Tail. It's often seen as the worst Legendary in the entire series, even being outclassed by evolved ComMons like Raticate and Stoutland, leaving it largely as the butt of jokes.

to:

* Regigigas will quite possibly remain in this status as long as it retains in signature Ability, Slow Start, which halves its Attack and Speed for an excruciating five turns, despite really lacking the movepool to stall out those turns and just begging foes to force it out with Roar or Dragon Tail. It's often seen as the worst Legendary in the entire series, even being outclassed by evolved ComMons like Raticate and Stoutland, leaving it largely as the butt of jokes. And just to add insult to injury, when it puts in a post-game appearance in ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' a game which completely excludes Pokémon abilities, the devs still saw fit to make sure it had Slow Start anyway.

Added: 349

Changed: 170

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* A popular clip from ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' is called "Red's Jolteon fails at life," where despite Jolteon having an ability that absorbs Electric attacks, it gets [[OneHitKill one-hit KO'd]] by Rhyhorn's Thunderbolt. Even if one considers that Gen I did not have abilities, it's still a fully-evolved Pokémon with an elemental resist losing to an unevolved Pokémon with awful Special Attack, which could only happen if Jolteon was really low leveled. By extension, the rest of Red's team other than Charizard qualifies, as a common AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that he overleveled his starter while neglecting everyone else, like many real-life kids playing the games did.

to:

* A popular clip from ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' is called "Red's Jolteon fails at life," where despite Jolteon having an ability that absorbs Electric attacks, it gets [[OneHitKill one-hit KO'd]] by Rhyhorn's Thunderbolt. Even if one considers that Gen I did not have abilities, it's still a fully-evolved Pokémon with an elemental resist losing to an unevolved Pokémon with awful Special Attack, which could only happen if Jolteon was either really low leveled.leveled or at very low HP. By extension, the rest of Red's team other than Charizard qualifies, as a common AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that he overleveled his starter while neglecting everyone else, like many real-life kids playing the games did.



* The Chikorita line gets this even worse than Bulbasaur due to its final evolution Meganium's relatively cutesy design, shallow movepool and infamously struggling hard in Johto due to being at a disadvantage in a large number of major battles in its own region.

to:

* The Chikorita line gets this even worse than Bulbasaur due to its final evolution Meganium's relatively cutesy design, design and shallow movepool and movepool. It infamously struggling struggles hard in Johto due to being at a disadvantage in a large number of major battles in its own region.region, and it doesn't help that it's been a LowTierLetdown in competitive play since around Gen V.



--> ''Because so many Trainers like the way Pikachu looks, you don't see this Pokémon very often.''



* Delcatty gets mocked a lot for having a rather low 380 base stat total for what's supposed to be a fully evolved Pokémon, which basically puts it in line with the fully evolved [[CrutchCharacter early Bugs]]. However, you have to wait longer to get Delcatty due to it being a Moon Stone evolution — for a lot of people, the wait for such an abysmal Pokémon later in the game isn't worth it. Delcatty got buffed up to 400 BST from Gen VII onward, but even then, its reputation as a weak Pokémon has stuck with it.
* Spidops, introduced in ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' is frequently mocked for being a weak CrutchCharacter in a generation infamous for major PowerCreep in its new Pokémon. A fellow early two-stage Bug family, Nymble/Lokix, being actually decent did it no favors.

to:

* Delcatty gets mocked a lot for having a rather low 380 base stat total for what's supposed to be a fully evolved Pokémon, which basically puts it in line with the fully evolved [[CrutchCharacter early Bugs]]. However, you have to wait longer to get Delcatty due to it being a Moon Stone evolution — for a lot of people, the wait for such an abysmal Pokémon later in the game isn't worth it. Delcatty got buffed up to 400 BST from Gen VII onward, onward alongside receiving a buff to its Normalize ability, but even then, its reputation as a weak Pokémon has stuck with it.
* Spidops, introduced in ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' is frequently mocked for being a weak CrutchCharacter in a generation infamous for major PowerCreep in its new Pokémon. A fellow early two-stage Bug family, Nymble/Lokix, being actually decent did it no favors. favors.
* Since the release of ''Scarlet and Violet'', Corviknight has often been portrayed as a hapless victim of Tinkaton, with the latter apparently being such an effective predator of it that they've been deemed unsafe to use as transportation in Paldea.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* For the standards of Champions, Geeta from ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' has a bad team and an even worse strategy to use them.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Some members of her team include ComMon Gogoat and the notorious LowTierLetdown Avalugg. Her Veluza doesn't have the power-boosting Sharpness ability and doesn't set up with [[StatusBuff Fillet Away]], making its offense completely mediocre. Her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon made to set up field hazards, but it's sent out last, so her team can't take advantage of them. Meanwhile, her Kingambit, a Pokémon which gets stronger the more of its teammates have been defeated, is sent out early.[[/labelnote]] Because of this, combined with the hint that she's a PointyHairedBoss to fan-favorite Larry, she's come to be portrayed as a fumbling embarrassment to the title and concept of Champion.

to:

* For the standards of Champions, Geeta from ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'' has a bad team and an even worse strategy to use them.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Some members of her team include ComMon Gogoat and the notorious LowTierLetdown Avalugg. Her Veluza doesn't have the power-boosting Sharpness ability and doesn't set up with [[StatusBuff Fillet Away]], making its offense completely mediocre. Her ace is Glimmora, a Pokémon made to set up field hazards, but it's sent out last, so her team can't take advantage of them. Meanwhile, her Kingambit, a Pokémon which gets stronger the more of its teammates have been defeated, is sent out early.[[/labelnote]] Because of this, combined with the hint that she's a PointyHairedBoss to fan-favorite Larry, she's come to be portrayed as a fumbling embarrassment to the title and concept of Champion. To put this in perspective, even ''Guzma'', the above-mentioned silly LargeHam doofus, the guy whose childhood bedroom [[AlwaysSecondBest is filled with bronze trophies and a single silver trophy]], the guy who ''flunked out of his region's equivalent of the Gym Challenge'', is still competent enough to use his own ace properly, sending it out first to take full advantage of both its ability and SignatureMove.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Flareon, despite its popularity, has a reputation for being the weakest of the Eeveelutions. In addition to its poorly-optimized stat spread making it a slow GlassCannon that's easy to take out with physical attacks, it's well-known for having a [[PoorPredictableRock terrible movepool]] in most generations, being a victim of the lack of a physical/special split in the first three and infamously being stuck with the 65-power ''Fire Fang'' as its best physical STAB move until ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' gave it Flare Blitz. Eevee also tends to be fairly hard to obtain in the earlier games, sometimes being [[UniqueEnemy limited to one]], so evolving it into Flareon is seen as a waste of its potential.

Top