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A Japanese {{Manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/Oldboy2003 film version of the same name]].

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A Japanese {{Manga}} {{manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/Oldboy2003 film version of the same name]].


This is a common misconception about the manga. Kakinuma doesn't have a break down because Gato figures out why he imprisoned him. He has a breakdown because he COULDN'T figure out why he imprisoned him. In the final chapter of the book Goto says that the reason that Kakinuma imprisoned him was because he was he was moved deeply by his singing. While this is partially true it isn't the full reason. Goto was imprisoned because he was moved to Tears by Kakinuma's singing. It is revealed in the same chapter that Kakinuma has never had anyone in his life who ever understood him. Goto in that moment understood who Kakinuma and how deeply sad he truly was and no amount of money, power or women could ever change that (at least not for him). While this takes a little speculation it's very likely that Kakinuma was homosexual and loved Goto because he was the ONLY person who understood him and was (somewhat) kind to him. His teacher even speculates later that Kakinuma had a crush on Kakinuma. Goto wanted to die and he wanted Goto to do it but before he did he wanted Goto to understand him. This is why he is so furious when Goto gets the answer WRONG. Kakinuma had absolutely no plan to kill Goto. He even tries to get Goto to kill him earlier on the boat by mock killing his best friend. He just wanted to hurt him the way Goto hurt him before dying by his crushes hands. The whole plot of the story can basically be summed up with a closeted gay man tries to drive his school understand him before he allows him to murder him.


This is a common misconception about the manga. Kakinuma doesn't have a break down because Gato figures out why he imprisoned him. He has a breakdown because he COULDN'T figure out why he imprisoned him. In the final chapter of the book Goto says that the reason that Kakinuma imprisoned him was because he was he was moved deeply by his singing. While this is partially true it isn't the full reason. Goto was imprisoned because he was moved to Tears by Kakinuma's singing. It is revealed in the same chapter that Kakinuma has never had anyone in his life who ever understood him. Goto in that moment understood who Kakinuma and how deeply sad he truly was and no amount of money, power or women could ever change that (at least not for him). While this takes a little speculation it's very likely that Kakinuma was homosexual and loved Goto because he was the ONLY person who understood him and was (somewhat) kind to him. His teacher even speculates later that Kakinuma had a crush on Kakinuma. Goto wanted to die and he wanted Goto to do it but before he did he wanted Goto to understand him. This is why he is so furious when Goto gets the answer WRONG. Kakinuma had absolutely no plan to kill Goto. He just wanted to hurt him the way Goto hurt him. The whole plot of the story can basically be summed up with GayAngst

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This is a common misconception about the manga. Kakinuma doesn't have a break down because Gato figures out why he imprisoned him. He has a breakdown because he COULDN'T figure out why he imprisoned him. In the final chapter of the book Goto says that the reason that Kakinuma imprisoned him was because he was he was moved deeply by his singing. While this is partially true it isn't the full reason. Goto was imprisoned because he was moved to Tears by Kakinuma's singing. It is revealed in the same chapter that Kakinuma has never had anyone in his life who ever understood him. Goto in that moment understood who Kakinuma and how deeply sad he truly was and no amount of money, power or women could ever change that (at least not for him). While this takes a little speculation it's very likely that Kakinuma was homosexual and loved Goto because he was the ONLY person who understood him and was (somewhat) kind to him. His teacher even speculates later that Kakinuma had a crush on Kakinuma. Goto wanted to die and he wanted Goto to do it but before he did he wanted Goto to understand him. This is why he is so furious when Goto gets the answer WRONG. Kakinuma had absolutely no plan to kill Goto. He even tries to get Goto to kill him earlier on the boat by mock killing his best friend. He just wanted to hurt him the way Goto hurt him. him before dying by his crushes hands. The whole plot of the story can basically be summed up with GayAngsta closeted gay man tries to drive his school understand him before he allows him to murder him.

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This is a common misconception about the manga. Kakinuma doesn't have a break down because Gato figures out why he imprisoned him. He has a breakdown because he COULDN'T figure out why he imprisoned him. In the final chapter of the book Goto says that the reason that Kakinuma imprisoned him was because he was he was moved deeply by his singing. While this is partially true it isn't the full reason. Goto was imprisoned because he was moved to Tears by Kakinuma's singing. It is revealed in the same chapter that Kakinuma has never had anyone in his life who ever understood him. Goto in that moment understood who Kakinuma and how deeply sad he truly was and no amount of money, power or women could ever change that (at least not for him). While this takes a little speculation it's very likely that Kakinuma was homosexual and loved Goto because he was the ONLY person who understood him and was (somewhat) kind to him. His teacher even speculates later that Kakinuma had a crush on Kakinuma. Goto wanted to die and he wanted Goto to do it but before he did he wanted Goto to understand him. This is why he is so furious when Goto gets the answer WRONG. Kakinuma had absolutely no plan to kill Goto. He just wanted to hurt him the way Goto hurt him. The whole plot of the story can basically be summed up with GayAngst


A Japanese {{Manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/{{Oldboy 2003}} film version of the same name]].

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A Japanese {{Manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/{{Oldboy 2003}} [[Film/Oldboy2003 film version of the same name]].



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A Japanese {{Manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/{{Oldboy}} film version of the same name]].

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A Japanese {{Manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/{{Oldboy}} [[Film/{{Oldboy 2003}} film version of the same name]].








* [[spoiler:CreepyChild: Kakinuma. Even Yukio (read: '''his teacher''') harbored a dislike for him simply because he was so creepy.]]

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* [[spoiler:CreepyChild: Kakinuma.CreepyChild: [[spoiler:Kakinuma. Even Yukio (read: '''his teacher''') harbored a dislike for him simply because he was so creepy.]]



* [[spoiler:DontYouDarePityMe: The reason for Kakinuma imprisoning Goto is because he was the only person to ever pity him when they were children.]]
* [[spoiler:DrivenToSuicide: Kakinuma, who loses his gamble and decides to keep to his end of the bargain.]]

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* [[spoiler:DontYouDarePityMe: The DontYouDarePityMe: [[spoiler:The reason for Kakinuma imprisoning Goto is because he was the only person to ever pity him when they were children.]]
* [[spoiler:DrivenToSuicide: Kakinuma, DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:Kakinuma, who loses his gamble and decides to keep to his end of the bargain.]]



* [[spoiler:RageBreakingPoint: Both Goto and Yamashita invoke this, when pushed too hard and beaten respectively.]]

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* [[spoiler:RageBreakingPoint: Both RageBreakingPoint: [[spoiler:Both Goto and Yamashita invoke this, when pushed too hard and beaten respectively.]]



* [[spoiler:VillainousBreakdown: Kakinuma when Goto figures out why he imprisoned him.]]
* [[spoiler:WhatNowEnding: The epilogue of the series ends with Kakinuma dead, and Goto with Eri. However, Goto has a nightmare about Eri's second layer of hypnosis causing her to kill herself, prompting Goto to conclude that Kakinuma's game has yet to finish.]]
* WoundedGazelleGambit: Yamashita, wanting more money after being released, acts drunk to attract muggers [[TookALevelInBadass so he can mug them.]]

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* [[spoiler:VillainousBreakdown: Kakinuma VillainousBreakdown: [[spoiler:Kakinuma when Goto figures out why he imprisoned him.]]
* [[spoiler:WhatNowEnding: The WhatNowEnding: [[spoiler:The epilogue of the series ends with Kakinuma dead, and Goto with Eri. However, Goto has a nightmare about Eri's second layer of hypnosis causing her to kill herself, prompting Goto to conclude that Kakinuma's game has yet to finish.]]
* WoundedGazelleGambit: Yamashita, wanting more money after being released, acts drunk to attract muggers [[TookALevelInBadass so he can mug them.]]]]
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** Alias Dojima's spy never gets a real or fake name.
* PermaStubble: Yamashita [[spoiler:though he appears clean-shaven in the epilogue.]]


* PragmaticAdaptation: The premise remains the same between the manga and movie, but beyond that they differ completely. Even the [[TheStoic calm]] Yamashita from the manga is changed to the [[HairTriggerTemper almost psychopathic]] Oh Dae-su in the movie. Also, [[spoiler: no one except Kakinuma dies in the manga; in the film, there is literally a mountain of corpses left by Oh Dae-su]]

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* PragmaticAdaptation: The premise remains the same between the manga and movie, but beyond that they differ completely. Even the [[TheStoic calm]] Yamashita from the manga is changed to the [[HairTriggerTemper almost psychopathic]] Oh Dae-su in the movie. Also, [[spoiler: no one except Kakinuma dies in the manga; in the film, there is literally a mountain of corpses left by Oh Dae-su]]Dae-su]].



* [[spoiler:RageBreakingPoint: Both Goto and Yamashita invoke this, when pushed to hard and beaten respectively.]]

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* [[spoiler:RageBreakingPoint: Both Goto and Yamashita invoke this, when pushed to too hard and beaten respectively.]]



* SmugSnake: Alias Dojima, who is constantly calm (even when [[spoiler: Goto snaps and starts punching him in the face]], he remains somewhat indifferent.

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* SmugSnake: Alias Dojima, who is constantly calm (even when [[spoiler: Goto snaps and starts punching him in the face]], he remains somewhat indifferent.indifferent).


* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Alias Dojima's secretary and Yamashita's old teacher both have the given name Kyoko, although the latter usually goes by her pen name, Yayoi Kusama.


* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Alias: Dojima's secretary and Yamashita's old teacher both have the given name Kyoko, although the latter usually goes by her pen name, Yayoi Kusama.

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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Alias: Alias Dojima's secretary and Yamashita's old teacher both have the given name Kyoko, although the latter usually goes by her pen name, Yayoi Kusama.

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* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Alias: Dojima's secretary and Yamashita's old teacher both have the given name Kyoko, although the latter usually goes by her pen name, Yayoi Kusama.


* PragmaticAdaptation: The premise remains the same between the manga and movie, but beyond that they differ completely. Even the [[TheStoic calm]] Yamashita from the manga is changed to the [[HairTriggerTemper almost psychopathic]] Oh Dae-su in the movie.

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* PragmaticAdaptation: The premise remains the same between the manga and movie, but beyond that they differ completely. Even the [[TheStoic calm]] Yamashita from the manga is changed to the [[HairTriggerTemper almost psychopathic]] Oh Dae-su in the movie. Also, [[spoiler: no one except Kakinuma dies in the manga; in the film, there is literally a mountain of corpses left by Oh Dae-su]]



* TokenRomance: Yamashita and Eri. [[spoiler:It turns out it's a result of hypnosis.]]

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* TokenRomance: Yamashita and Eri. [[spoiler:It turns out it's a result of hypnosis.]]]] They get somewhat over it.

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A Japanese {{Manga}} spanning from 1996 to 1998, Oldboy is perhaps better known for the loosely-adapted [[Film/{{Oldboy}} film version of the same name]].

Kidnapped without provocation, a man [[NoNameGiven identifying as Yamashita]] is kept in a tiny cell, with only a TV, bed and bathroom. Left with nothing to do but exercise and pass time, he spends ten years alone, only to find himself dressed, drugged and dumped in a public park without reason. Given plenty of money and a phone by his captors, Yamashita meets a young girl named Eri, finds his old friend Tsukamoto and even gets a job, but finds himself driven to track down those who imprisoned him.

Later developed into a highly successful Korean movie (by [[Creator/ParkChanWook Park Chan-wook]]) in 2003, the series was translated in 2005 following the film's international success.

'''Please note that, like its film counterpart, this manga involves several major twists and reveals''' '''''so watch for spoilers.'''''
%%Since the real names of the protagonist and antagonist are used as a reveal, please refer to them as Yamashita and Alias Dojima outside of spoiler text.
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!!This manga series contains examples of:
* AbsurdlyHighStakesGame: Alias Dojima and Yamashita gamble if the latter can figure out ''why'' he was imprisoned, with the stakes of [[spoiler:the loser dying (or, if Yamashita loses and runs, everyone he cares about dies).]]
* CrazyPrepared: Alias Dojima, who somehow has bugs planted in the right place beforehand on several occasions.
* [[spoiler:CreepyChild: Kakinuma. Even Yukio (read: '''his teacher''') harbored a dislike for him simply because he was so creepy.]]
* DisproportionateRetribution: [[spoiler: Kakinuma's quest for revenge is all a result of Goto ''pitying him when they were children.'']]
* DoesntLikeGuns: Yamashita, who willingly throws away a gun at one point to prevent RecklessGunUsage.
* [[spoiler:DontYouDarePityMe: The reason for Kakinuma imprisoning Goto is because he was the only person to ever pity him when they were children.]]
* [[spoiler:DrivenToSuicide: Kakinuma, who loses his gamble and decides to keep to his end of the bargain.]]
* GratuitousEnglish: Tsukamoto's bar is called "Moon Dog".
* TheJailer
* LeParkour: In one of the books, Yamashita loses one of Alias Dojima's thugs by running into a high building and ''jumping roof to roof.''
* NoNameGiven: The protagonist and antagonist, who go by the names Yamashita/Mister and "Alias Dojima" until their real names are revealed ([[spoiler:Shinichi Goto]] and [[spoiler:Takaaki Kakinuma]] respectively).
* PragmaticAdaptation: The premise remains the same between the manga and movie, but beyond that they differ completely. Even the [[TheStoic calm]] Yamashita from the manga is changed to the [[HairTriggerTemper almost psychopathic]] Oh Dae-su in the movie.
* LeftHanging: [[spoiler:Despite Eri having a second level of post-hypnotic suggestion that may still dictate her actions, the group never find out what it is due to Kyoko disappearing.]]
* [[spoiler:RageBreakingPoint: Both Goto and Yamashita invoke this, when pushed to hard and beaten respectively.]]
* SexySecretary: Kyoko Kataoka, Alias Dojima's assistant. [[spoiler:Her sexiness is even used to distract and control Tsukamoto when they start visiting Moon Dog.]]
* SmugSnake: Alias Dojima, who is constantly calm (even when [[spoiler: Goto snaps and starts punching him in the face]], he remains somewhat indifferent.
* TokenRomance: Yamashita and Eri. [[spoiler:It turns out it's a result of hypnosis.]]
* TookALevelInBadass: Yamashita, who spent most of his ten-year imprisonment doing push-ups, sit-ups and shadow boxing. He even manages to beat up a group of thugs easily when he's released.
* [[spoiler:VillainousBreakdown: Kakinuma when Goto figures out why he imprisoned him.]]
* [[spoiler:WhatNowEnding: The epilogue of the series ends with Kakinuma dead, and Goto with Eri. However, Goto has a nightmare about Eri's second layer of hypnosis causing her to kill herself, prompting Goto to conclude that Kakinuma's game has yet to finish.]]
* WoundedGazelleGambit: Yamashita, wanting more money after being released, acts drunk to attract muggers [[TookALevelInBadass so he can mug them.]]

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