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* In an early episode of ''Podcast/{{Hello from the Magic Tavern}}'', when Usidore makes one of his epic speeches about defeating the {{Dark Lord}} and all he stands for, the guest points out that the Dark Lord's tax system is superior to what existed before. Usidore acknowledges this and concedes that the tax system will stay in place.

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* The gameplay of VideoGame/RebelInc involved appeasing the local populace, which can include passing initiatives on providing them with infrastructure development, education, and healthcare providers. As the support level and reputation increases, it can cut into reducing Insurgent support due to this trope.


* ''Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian'' is the TropeNamer, to the point [[OverwhelmingException where you have to wonder why they want to rebel from Rome in the first place]].

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* ''Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian'' is the TropeNamer, to the point [[OverwhelmingException [[EverythingExceptMostThings where you have to wonder why they want to rebel from Rome in the first place]].


* An old joke about Fascism states that at least it makes the trains run on time. In actual fact, they never did. UsefulNotes/FascistItaly and UsefulNotes/NaziGermany were highly inefficient and incompetent on bureaucracy and only got on as well as they did for as long as they did (which was not very long after all) was because they came to power in advanced nations with developed bureaucracies, and the infrastructure was relatively sound before them.

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* An old joke about Fascism states that [[RepressiveButEfficient at least it makes the trains run on time. time]]. In actual fact, [[FascistButInefficient they never did.did]]. UsefulNotes/FascistItaly and UsefulNotes/NaziGermany were highly inefficient and incompetent on bureaucracy and only got on as well as they did for as long as they did (which was not very long after all) was because they came to power in advanced nations with developed bureaucracies, and the infrastructure was relatively sound before them.


* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like [[AmericaWinsTheWar You'd be speaking German without them]] to they defended you against [[DirtyCommies Soviet Russia]] to, oh well they kinda went in and toppled a democratically elected popular leader, bummer that. On the plus side, there's Hollywood, fast food, and TV Tropes...

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* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like us?".
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** As far as Western Europe is concerned,
the plus side, US Government's Marshall Plan played a major part in its post-war development and rebuilding, sparking an economic boom across multiple nations. While there's Hollywood, fast food, some grubbing and TV Tropes...
sniping among some, notably about them doing this to keep the commies down and creating a new market for their surplus goods and so on, it's generally accepted to have been beneficial and many people argue in favor of Marshall Plan-like initiatives to relieve poverty.
** Of course there's the Internet, developed as a direct result of the US Government's DARPA program to fund bleeding-edge scientific initiatives, which ultimately revolutionized global communications and which everyone everywhere agrees is here to stay.
** Much like the case of Rome, since America is a land of immigrants and which has houseroomed refugees from different parts of the world fleeing dictatorships in Western and Eastern Europe, and so on, many people of course point out that one can equally make the case for "What Have We Done for the Americans".


* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like [[AmericaWinsTheWar You'd be speaking German without them]] to they defended you against [[DirtyCommies Soviet Russia]] to, oh well they kinda went in and toppled a democratically elected popular leader, bummer that. On the plus side, there's Hollywood, chewing gum and TV Tropes...

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* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like [[AmericaWinsTheWar You'd be speaking German without them]] to they defended you against [[DirtyCommies Soviet Russia]] to, oh well they kinda went in and toppled a democratically elected popular leader, bummer that. On the plus side, there's Hollywood, chewing gum fast food, and TV Tropes...


* In the second ''Literature/InfinityBlade'' novel, after [[spoiler: the [[BigBad Worker of Secrets]] plants an imposter GodKing on the throne to eliminate the real one's ties to his allies and access to his resources while letting his empire fall to ruin through complete lack of leadership]], Siris and Isa bitterly admit that, while the GodKing was a cruel, megalomaniacal tyrant, his rule was still much better than the current anarchy. [[spoiler: It even turns out that the cruelty was just a ploy to [[BatmanGambit rile up the population enough to send the Sacrifice needed to power the titular Infinity Blade every generation]], and he decides that after [[EnemyMine Siris and Isa (begrudgingly) help him reclaim his throne]], his people are due for a few millennia's worth of GoldenAge.]]

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* In the second ''Literature/InfinityBlade'' ''VideoGame/InfinityBlade'' novel, after [[spoiler: the [[BigBad Worker of Secrets]] plants an imposter GodKing on the throne to eliminate the real one's ties to his allies and access to his resources while letting his empire fall to ruin through complete lack of leadership]], Siris and Isa bitterly admit that, while the GodKing was a cruel, megalomaniacal tyrant, his rule was still much better than the current anarchy. [[spoiler: It even turns out that the cruelty was just a ploy to [[BatmanGambit rile up the population enough to send the Sacrifice needed to power the titular Infinity Blade every generation]], and he decides that after [[EnemyMine Siris and Isa (begrudgingly) help him reclaim his throne]], his people are due for a few millennia's worth of GoldenAge.]]



** It must be noted that the 14th Dalai Lama himself never denied any of these facts and has outright admitted this. As shown in the Creator/MartinScorsese film ''Film/{{Kundun}}'' which he gave support for, as a Lama he tried to bring reforms and modernize Tibet which was a theocracy. He provided people rights and released prisoners. He also expressed sympathy for the plight of the Chinese during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and initially sought an alliance with Mao, which the Chinese abrogated. Since his exile, the Dalai Lama has even stepped down officially and has stated that he would be satisfied with greater autonomy for Tibet, similar to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Penn and Teller's critique was more directed against Western fans who view the pre-invasion Tibet as a sort of ShangriLa due to ignorance though.

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** It must be noted that the 14th Dalai Lama himself never denied any of these facts and has outright admitted this. As shown in the Creator/MartinScorsese film ''Film/{{Kundun}}'' which he gave support for, as a Lama he tried to bring reforms and modernize Tibet which was a theocracy. He provided people rights and released prisoners. He also expressed sympathy for the plight of the Chinese during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and initially sought an alliance with Mao, which the Chinese abrogated. Since his exile, the Dalai Lama has even stepped down officially and has stated that he would be satisfied with greater autonomy for Tibet, similar to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Penn and Teller's critique was more directed against Western fans who view the pre-invasion Tibet as a sort of ShangriLa ShamgriLa due to ignorance though.

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* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' Gil [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090225#.Wz1xstJKjrc pokes holes]] in Zola's ideas about Baron Wulfenbach's "tyranny" by bringing up his infrastructure projects, and reminding her that every other government in Spark-ruled Europa is even worse. Granted, he might be a bit biased seeing how he's the Baron's son and heir.

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* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like [[AmericaWonTheWar You'd be speaking German without them]] to they defended you against [[DirtyCommies Soviet Russia]] to, oh well they kinda went in and toppled a democratically elected popular leader, bummer that. On the plus side, there's Hollywood, chewing gum and TV Tropes...

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* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like [[AmericaWonTheWar [[AmericaWinsTheWar You'd be speaking German without them]] to they defended you against [[DirtyCommies Soviet Russia]] to, oh well they kinda went in and toppled a democratically elected popular leader, bummer that. On the plus side, there's Hollywood, chewing gum and TV Tropes...



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* As today's closest analog to the Roman Empire is the US, people outside the US might ask themselves, "what have the Yankees ever done for us?" which ranks from anything like [[AmericaWonTheWar You'd be speaking German without them]] to they defended you against [[DirtyCommies Soviet Russia]] to, oh well they kinda went in and toppled a democratically elected popular leader, bummer that. On the plus side, there's Hollywood, chewing gum and TV Tropes...


** Karl Marx himself also noted that capitalism had been vital in destroying far worse institutions like slavery and feudalism.

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** Karl Marx Creator/KarlMarx himself also noted that capitalism had been vital in destroying far worse institutions like slavery and feudalism. One of the more interesting lines in the manifesto reads "The Bourgeoisie [[note]]Marxist speak for those who own means of production[[/note]] [[PetTheDog has been a truly revolutionary class]] in the past"

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** Karl Marx himself also noted that capitalism had been vital in destroying far worse institutions like slavery and feudalism.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': House Targaryen were dragon-riding conquerors who unified a continent with dragonfire and solidified a dynasty that lasted for 300 years. In that time they abolished DroitDuSeigneur, built King's Landing, the Kingsguard, and put the Faith of the Seven on a leash, and permanently suppressed the Faith Militant until Cersei revived it. You can't blame Varys for going to Dany to bring back that old time Targaryen autocracy.


Most frequently, this perspective or discussion is presented early in the first act when the setting is being defined and the stage set, either as the illusion that most of the people being oppressed are under (later revealed to be a false impression after a lot of KickTheDog) or sometimes as a genuine explanation as to why the locals have put up with the EvilEmpire prior to the events of the plot in the first place. This is an extremely common justification for the feudal or despotic nature of civilizations in works set AfterTheEnd. It also shows up in some HistoricalFiction and fantasy to explain and justify TheKingdom.

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Most frequently, this perspective or discussion is presented early in the first act when the setting is being defined and the stage set, either as the illusion that most of the people being oppressed are under (later revealed to be a false impression after a lot of KickTheDog) or sometimes as a genuine explanation as to why the locals have put up with the EvilEmpire prior to the events of the plot in the first place. This is an extremely common justification for the feudal or despotic nature of civilizations in works set AfterTheEnd. It also shows up in some HistoricalFiction and fantasy to explain and justify TheKingdom.
feudalism.

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