History Main / SeasonalRot

** Many fans found Phase 4 to be lackluster because of the increased focus in the quantity of shows and movies at the expense of quality and direction. The addition of Disney+ series as main installments resulted in ContinuityLockout as viewers were forced to watch the shows to understand the context of the main movies, a practice that soon ended up being too daunting for most casual viewers. Much of the CGI [[SpecialEffectFailure turned out slipshod]] or dipped too far into the UnintentionalUncannyValley amidst reports that Marvel Studios was pushing the VFX companies to deliver heavy amounts of work with little time and severe staffing shortages during COVID. Furthermore, the absence of an Avengers crossover movie or new recurring lead heroes to replace Iron Man and Captain America added to the phase's directionless. The declining numbers (both critically and financially) resulted in longstanding problems that have existed since ''The Infinity Saga'' [[FranchiseOriginalSin being brought into the forefront]].

** Having been delayed a year from its initial start date due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, Phase 4 started out strong in 2021 with the Creator/DisneyPlus shows ''Series/WandaVision'', ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' and ''{{Series/Loki|2021}}'' all getting critical acclaim. However, the first theatrically released movie of the phase, ''{{Film/Black Widow|2021}}'' was simultaneous released in both theaters ''and'' on Creator/DisneyPlus behind a $30 pay wall that not only resulted in it becomeing the first BoxOfficeBomb in the franchise since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk2008'', but also resulted in lead actress Creator/ScarlettJohansson suing Disney for breach of contract (which was subsequently settled out of court). Though ''[[WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021 What If…?]]'' and ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'' were moderate successes that won back audiences, ''Film/{{Eternals}}'' earned the distinction of being not only the second flop of the series in a year, but the first film to earn a "Rotten" score for the franchise[[note]]Not counting ''{{Series/Iron Fist|2017}}'', ''{{Series/Inhumans|2017}}'', or the second season of ''{{Series/The Punisher|2017}}'', all of which broke the series critical streak outside of the movies[[/note]] amidst criticisms that Creator/ChloeZhao's sweeping epic was too tonally clashing with the more goofy, action-driven superhero film, to say nothing of the fact that the Eternals were far more obscure characters than even the ''Film/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}}'' were before their movie. ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' and ''{{Series/Hawkeye|2021}}'' did WinBackTheCrowd thanks to both [[spoiler:incorporating elements and characters from ''Series/Daredevil2015'']], as well as the former being a CrisisCrossover with both the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' [[spoiler:that featured both previous cinematic Spider-Mans]], but it was only the start of a slump that would cause interest in the series to wain to its lowest point.

** Having been delayed a year from its initial start date due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, Phase 4 started out strong in 2021 with the Creator/DisneyPlus shows ''Series/WandaVision'', ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' and ''{{Series/Loki|2021}}'' all getting critical acclaim. However, the first theatrically released movie of the phase, ''{{Film/Black Widow|2021}}'' was simultaneous released in both theaters ''and'' on Creator/DisneyPlus behind a $30 pay wall that not only resulted in it becomeing the first BoxOfficeBomb in the franchise since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', but also resulted in lead actress Creator/ScarlettJohansson suing Disney for breach of contract (which was subsequently settled out of court). Though ''[[WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021 What If…?]]'' and ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'' were moderate successes that won back audiences, ''Film/{{Eternals}}'' earned the distinction of being not only the second flop of the series in a year, but the first film to earn a "Rotten" score for the franchise[[note]]Not counting ''{{Series/Iron Fist|2017}}'', ''{{Series/Inhumans|2017}}'', or the second season of ''{{Series/The Punisher|2017}}'', all of which broke the series critical streak outside of the movies[[/note]] amidst criticisms that Creator/ChloeZhao's sweeping epic was too tonally clashing with the more goofy, action-driven superhero film, to say nothing of the fact that the Eternals were far more obscure characters than even the ''Film/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}}'' were before their movie. ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' and ''{{Series/Hawkeye|2021}}'' did WinBackTheCrowd thanks to both [[spoiler:incorporating elements and characters from ''Series/Daredevil2015'']], as well as the former being a CrisisCrossover with both the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' [[spoiler:that featured both previous cinematic Spider-Mans]], but it was only the start of a slump that would cause interest in the series to wain to its lowest point.

* While there are disagreements over how this trope happened, the general consensus is that Creator/AchievementHunter has been on the decline beginning from around [[TheNewTens the late 2010s]], with [[https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/letsplay Social Blade]] showing proof of declining video viewership and subscribers on the [=LetsPlay=] channel. Nowadays, their videos rarely get at least 100,000 views, with most of such videos being their ''VideoGame/GarrysMod'' videos (particularly ''VideoGame/TroubleInTerroristTown''), despite ''Gmod'' not having been one of their regular games in the past like with ''Minecraft'' and ''GTA''), and even then it can still take a while for their videos to reach those numbers, with only a few rare exceptions such as ''LetsPlay/UnoInfinite'' (and that one is more due to the whole "[[DancingBear playing a simple card game for over a day]]" thing). Factors that are arguably responsible for this have included their content getting less creative and innovative and more stagnant, their newer, younger castmates who viewers mostly believe don't have many distinctive traits compared to the older cast beyond being more excitable, and [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor the whole Ryan Haywood scandal]] making [[HarsherInHindsight much of their older content a lot more uncomfortable to watch]].[[note]]In fact, Social Blade shows that Ryan's scandal had the biggest negative effect on the group overall, showing that weekly viewership and subscriber counts began to go downward beginning in October 2020, the month that the scandal blew up.[[/note]]

** Many fans found Phase 4 to be lackluster because of the increased focus the quantity of shows and movies the expense of quality and direction. The addition of Disney+ series as main installments resulted in ContinuityLockout as viewers were forced watch the shows to understand the context of the main movies, a practice that soon ended up being too daunting for most casual viewers. Much of the CGI [[SpecialEffectFailure turned out slipshod]] or dipped too far into the UnintentionalUncannyValley amidst reports that Marvel Studios was pushing the VFX companies to deliver heavy amounts of work with little time and severe staffing shortages during COVID. Furthermore, the absence of an Avengers crossover movie or new recurring lead heroes to replace Iron Man and Captain America added to the phase's directionless. The declining numbers (both critically and financially) resulted in longstanding problems that have existed since ''The Infinity Saga'' [[FranchiseOriginalSin being brought into the forefront]].

* The second arc of ''Manga/DeathNote'', especially in the manga. After a TimeSkip Light gets two new opponents, Mello and Near, setting up a three-way cat-and-mouse duel. Unfortunately the story falls prey to TooBleakStoppedCaring territory. Light comes across as a two-dimensional villain, and it's hard to cheer for Near, due to his spoiled ungrateful nature and his whole character being a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute of L with no unique traits. Mello is interesting but is OutOfFocus half the time, making the Light vs. Near conflict awfully similar to Light vs. L. The Shinigami appear less and less, and there are truly insane WallsOfText. The biggest contributing factor is the fact that the author wanted the series to be exactly [[Mystical108 108]] chapters long, but didn't quite have enough material to fill that amount, so the story ended up severely dragged out and padded. For comparison, the anime adaptation crams the ''entire second half'' of the manga from Near and Mello's introduction onward (a whopping 59 chapters) into just 11 episodes.

* The portion of the manga ''Manga/IBelongToTheBaddestGirlAtSchool'' following [[spoiler: the clarification of the SustainedMisunderstanding]] is considered weaker that what came before, mostly because it focus less on the development of Fuyuhiko and Kanade's relationship and the sweet interactions between them and more on [[spoiler: Fuyuhiko's inability to confess and the series of contrived situations that avert him to do so]] which a lot of readers felt it was a dragged and much less entertaining conflict that make the manga became more of an run-of-the-mill romcom lacking the aspects that made the first half a much more unique series.

* ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'': By 2023, the interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. Any other interesting sounding story arcs are immediately interrupted to focus on the other two.

* ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'' has arguably fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. Any other interesting sounding story arcs are immediately interrupted to focus on the other two.

* ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'' has arguably fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip.

** Many fans found Phase 4 to be lackluster because of the increased focus on quantity over quality. The addition of Disney+ series as main installments resulted in ContinuityLockout as viewers were forced watch the shows to understand the context of the main movies, a practice that soon ended up being too daunting for most casual viewers. Much of the CGI [[SpecialEffectFailure turned out slipshod]] or dipped too far into the UnintentionalUncannyValley amidst reports that Marvel Studios was pushing the VFX companies to deliver heavy amounts of work with little time and severe staffing shortages during COVID. The declining numbers (both critically and financially) also resulted in the initially overlooked problems of the ''The Infinity Saga'' (i.e. tonal problems, confusing continuity, slipshod CGI, and etc.) [[FranchiseOriginalSin being brought to the forefront]].

** Having been delayed a year from its initial start date due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, Phase 4 started out strong in 2021 with the Creator/DisneyPlus shows ''Series/WandaVision'', ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' and ''{{Series/Loki|2021}}'' all getting critical acclaim. However, the first theatrically released movie of the phase, ''{{Film/Black Widow|2021}}'' garnered a divisive fan reaction and the movie's simultaneous release in both theaters ''and'' on Creator/DisneyPlus behind a $30 pay wall not only led it to being the first BoxOfficeBomb in the series since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', but led lead actress Creator/ScarlettJohansson to sue Disney for breach of contract (which was subsequently settled out of court). Though ''[[WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021 What If…?]]'' and ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'' managed to win back audiences, ''Film/{{Eternals}}'' earned the distinction of being not only the second flop of the series in a year, but the first film to earn a "Rotten" score for the franchise[[note]]Not counting ''{{Series/Iron Fist|2017}}'', ''{{Series/Inhumans|2017}}'', or the second season of ''{{Series/The Punisher|2017}}'', all of which broke the series critical streak outside of the movies[[/note]] amidst criticisms that Creator/ChloeZhao's sweeping epic was too tonally clashing with the more goofy, action-driven superhero film, to say nothing of the fact that the Eternals were far more obscure characters than even the ''Film/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}}'' were before their movie. ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' and ''{{Series/Hawkeye|2021}}'' did WinBackTheCrowd thanks to both [[spoiler:incorporating elements and characters from ''Series/Daredevil2015'' after years of worry that the show was being ignored]], as well as the former being a CrisisCrossover with both the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' [[spoiler:that featured both previous cinematic Spider-Mans]], but it was only the start of a slump that would cause interest in the series to wain to its lowest point.
** 2022 was where the rot set in further. All of its early projects--''{{Series/Moon Knight|2022}}'', ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', ''{{Series/Ms Marvel|2022}}'', and especially ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' and ''Series/SheHulkAttorneyAtLaw''--were all massively divisive, with a common criticism being far too much comedy that heavily detracted from the more serious attempts at storytelling, leading to too great of tonal inconsistencies and making it hard to take the characters seriously. The addition of Disney+ series as main installments resulted in many plot threads in the movies going unexplained and forcing viewers to watch the shows to get the context, which soon ended up being too daunting of a task for most casual viewers to commit to. Much of the CGI [[SpecialEffectFailure turned out slipshod]] or dipped too far into the UnintentionalUncannyValley amidst reports that Marvel Studios was pushing the VFX companies to deliver heavy amounts of work with little time and severe staffing shortages during COVID. Much of the issues that were initially overlooked with ''The Infinity Saga'', including the aforementioned MoodWhiplash, ContinuityLockout, slipshod CGI, little changes to the status quo, and big-budget battle sequences at the end, soon became the ire of audiences as they grew tired of seeing the same beats over and over. While the Phase did end with [[BookEnds another trio of well received projects]], namely ''Film/{{Werewolf by Night|2022}}'' (which was a fun GenreThrowback HalloweenSpecial that stood on its own), ''Film/BlackPantherWakandaForever'' (which had to pay tribute to [[Creator/ChadwickBoseman its fallen star]] as respectfully as possible, and had a much more serious plot tone as a result), and ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxyHolidaySpecial'' (another well-received special whose characters were considered far better suited to a comedic tone) that managed to avoid those most of those criticisms, the damage was done. Interest in the series had waned, more behind-the-scenes troubles were reported on, and the numbers (both critically and financially) showed that the MCU [[FranchiseOriginalSin had fallen victim to the very flaws that once elevated it above its competitors]].

** Having been delayed a year from its initial start date due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, the series did get off to a good start in 2021 with ''Series/WandaVision'', ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'', and ''{{Series/Loki|2021}}'', all three being highly acclaimed, only for things to start to take a downturn with the release of ''{{Film/Black Widow|2021}}''. The film having been delayed for so long despite audiences wanting a solo outing for the character, combined with divisive fan reaction and a controversial decision to release it to theaters ''and'' on Creator/DisneyPlus behind a $30 pay wall not only led it to being the first BoxOfficeBomb in the series since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', but led lead actress Creator/ScarlettJohansson to sue Disney for breach of contract (which was subsequently settled out of court). Though ''[[WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021 What If…?]]'' and ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'' managed to win back audiences, ''Film/{{Eternals}}'' earned the distinction of being not only the second flop of the series in a year, but the first film to earn a "Rotten" score for the franchise[[note]]Not counting ''{{Series/Iron Fist|2017}}'', ''{{Series/Inhumans|2017}}'', or the second season of ''{{Series/The Punisher|2017}}'', all of which broke the series critical streak outside of the movies[[/note]] amidst criticisms that Creator/ChloeZhao's sweeping epic was too tonally clashing with the more goofy, action-driven superhero film, to say nothing of the fact that the Eternals were far more obscure characters than even the ''Film/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}}'' were before their movie. ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' and ''{{Series/Hawkeye|2021}}'' did WinBackTheCrowd thanks to both [[spoiler:incorporating elements and characters from ''Series/Daredevil2015'' after years of worry that the show was being ignored]], as well as the former being a CrisisCrossover with both the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' [[spoiler:that featured both previous cinematic Spider-Mans]], but it was only the start of a slump that would cause interest in the series to wain to its lowest point.

* Season 2 of ''Manga/OnePunchMan'' had to deal with a change in animation studios, with J.C. Staff taking over for Madhouse. This resulted in the animation quality taking a nosedive, with the incredibly fluid and immaculately presented action sequences from the first season being replaced by stiff movement and flat composition. While the writing remained relatively untouched, given that the first season was especially praised for its incredible action the downgrade came as a major punch to the gut in the eyes of many fans and critics.

* The ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries'' is said to have gone through this when development shifted from Rocksteady Studios to Canada-based WB Montreal for ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' for a multitude of reasons, the most prominent of which being gameplay that failed to evolve in any meaningful way from the previous games. Other criticisms include infrequent-but-sometimes-game-breaking glitches, confusing level design, and a dearth of ancillary activities and non-playable characters despite having a larger open world than ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity''. Coming after that [[ToughActToFollow universally-adored installment certainly didn't help much]]. Fortunately, the original developers returned for the next installment, ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight,'' which was generally seen as a return to form after the relatively lackluster ''Arkham Origins.'' However, that game had received some criticism for its [[ScrappyMechanic oversaturation of the newly-added Batmobile mechanics,]] resulting in it being the lowest rated of the Rocksteady-helmed Batman games, and that's not even getting into the PortingDisaster for PC users.

** Seasons 9 and 10 have gotten a case of this, specifically season 9. Instead of the usual 25 episodes, these seasons go for 50, with the misses outweighing the hits. Without the 3 month break between seasons like before, the jokes are less thought through and some episodes seem halfhazardly put together. Downplayed with season 10 as, despite similar problems as 9, the season got better and, as it was the last season of the show, it ended on a good note with its 300th episode.

** The series waxed and waned in popularity during its original run from 1992 through '97, but most fans will argue that the earlier books were superior, while the later ones, with a few exceptions, relied too heavily on [[StrictlyFormula recycled plots]] and overly self-referential storylines, as well as going for intentionally cheesy BlackComedy at the expense of actual horror. It is not surprising that a lot of fans -- and the books' publisher, Scholastic -- believe that Stine was [[ExtrudedBookProduct relying on ghostwriters]] in order to keep cranking out a new book every month. The fact that the original series ends with ''Monster Blood IV'', often considered its worst book, is seen by many as indicative of its downward spiral.

** Phase 5 starting in 2023 has been a mixed bag so far with ''Film/AntManAndTheWaspQuantumania'' earning another rotten score and possessing the same issues as above while also being seen as an underwhelming mainstream introduction for Kang, who was intended to follow from Thanos as the new central villain of the MCU, and it became one of the few MCU films not to break even in it's theatrical run. ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3'' did considerably better critically and commercially, but then ''Series/SecretInvasion2023'' ended up being one of the most poorly received MCU properties yet outside of praise for the cast and lost viewers as the show went on. It remains to be seen if the rest of the Phase can pull the MCU out of its tailspin.

** Having been delayed a year from its initial start date due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, the series did get off to a decent start in 2021 with ''Series/WandaVision'' and ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' both being highly acclaimed, only for things to start to take a downturn with the release of ''{{Film/Black Widow|2021}}''. The film having been delayed for so long despite audiences wanting a solo outing for the character, combined with a controversial decision to release it to theaters ''and'' on Creator/DisneyPlus behind a $30 pay wall not only led it to being the first BoxOfficeBomb in the series since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', but led lead actress Creator/ScarlettJohansson to sue Disney for breach of contract (which was subsequently settled out of court). Though ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'' and ''{{Series/Loki|2021}}'' managed to win back audiences, ''Film/{{Eternals}}'' earned the distinction of being not only the second flop of the series in a year, but the first film to earn a "Rotten" score for the franchise[[note]]Not counting ''{{Series/Iron Fist|2017}}'', ''{{Series/Inhumans|2017}}'', or the second season of ''{{Series/The Punisher|2017}}'', all of which broke the series critical streak outside of the movies[[/note]] amidst criticisms that Creator/ChloeZhao's sweeping epic was too tonally clashing with the more goofy, action-driven superhero film, to say nothing of the fact that the Eternals were far more obscure characters than even the ''Film/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}}'' were before their movie. ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' and ''{{Series/Hawkeye|2021}}'' did WinBackTheCrowd thanks to both [[spoiler:incorporating elements and characters from ''Series/Daredevil2015'' after years of worry that the show was being ignored]], as well as the former being a CrisisCrossover with both the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' [[spoiler:that featured both previous cinematic Spider-Mans]], but it was only the start of a slump that would cause interest in the series to wain to its lowest point.
** 2022 was where the rot set in further. All of its early projects--''{{Series/Moon Knight|2022}}'', ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', ''{{Series/Ms Marvel|2022}}'', and especially ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' and ''Series/SheHulkAttorneyAtLaw''--were all massively divisive, with a common criticism being far too much comedy that heavily detracted from the more serious attempts at storytelling, leading to too great of tonal inconsistencies and making it hard to take the characters seriously. Much of the CGI [[SpecialEffectFailure turned out slipshod]] or dipped too far into the UnintentionalUncannyValley amidst reports that Marvel Studios was pushing the VFX companies to deliver heavy amounts of work with little time and severe staffing shortages during COVID. Much of the issues that were initially overlooked with ''The Infinity Saga'', including the aforementioned MoodWhiplash, slipshod CGI, little changes to the status quo, and big-budget battle sequences at the end, soon became the ire of audiences as they grew tired of seeing the same beats over and over. While ''Film/BlackPantherWakandaForever'' and ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxyHolidaySpecial'' managed to avoid those criticisms (as the former had to pay tribute to [[Creator/ChadwickBoseman its fallen star]] as respectfully as possible, and the latter's characters were considered far better suited to the overall tone to the series), the damage was done. Interest in the series had waned, more behind-the-scenes troubles were reported on, and the numbers (both critically and financially) showed that the MCU [[FranchiseOriginalSin had fallen victim to the very flaws that once elevated it above its competitors]].

** Phase 5 starting in 2023 has been a mixed bag so far with ''Film/AntManAndTheWaspQuantumania'' earning another rotten score and possessing the same issues as above while also being seen as an underwhelming mainstream introduction for Kang who is intended to follow from Thanos as the new central villain of the MCU and it became one of the few MCU films not to break even in it's theatrical run. ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3'' did considerably better critically and commercially but ''Series/SecretInvasion2023'' ended up being one of the most poorly received MCU properties yet outside of praise for the cast and lost viewers as the show went on. It remains to be seen if the rest of the Phase can pull the MCU out of it's tailspin.

** Phase 5 starting in 2023 has been a mixed bag so far with Film/AntManAndTheWaspQuantumania earning another rotten score and possessing the same issues as above while also being seen as an underwhelming mainstream introduction for Kang who is intended to follow from Thanos as the new central villain of the MCU and it became one of the few MCU films not to break even in it's theatrical run. Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3'' did considerably better critically and commercially but Series/SecretInvasion2023 ended up being one of the most poorly received MCU properties yet outside of praise for the cast and lost viewers as the show went on. It remains to be seen if the rest of the Phase can pull the MCU out of it's tailspin.

* Manga/FoodWars:

** The Tōtsuki Reformation Arc is considered this for a number of reasons. Among them is the tone of the arc being too serious for a manga relying on over-the-top cooking competitions, but without any actual depth to it. Having almost every character aside from Erina, Soma and their fathers fall OutOfFocus was also not a welcome decision in the eyes of many fans. Furthermore, the ArcFatigue set in as the pace slowed down to a gruesome crawl that led to the arc taking two and a half years to finish (slightly bettered by having small mini-arcs within it, but still), leading to a rushed resolution that many found anti-climatic.
** The previous arc had already left the manga with a mixed reception, but it was immediately followed by the even more poorly received Les Cuisiner Noir Arc, which introduced a group of {{Scrapp|y}}ies as the villains with implausible cooking gimmicks (that the author tries to pass off as superpowers) and egregiously destroying the previously established status quo regarding abilities of the characters. This came at the expense of ignoring the already established ensemble which contained more likeable characters. It also derailed Soma and Erina's CharacterDevelopment in order to set up a LoveTriangle in a convoluted RomanticPlotTumor between them and the BigBad, and forces a number of AssPull twists in order to set up the villains and move the plot forward. In the climax, the author prioritized Erina's family issues over resolving Soma's progress and goals--which was the original premise of the manga. And to make matters worse, despite the unnecessary love triangle plot, there is no resolution.

* ''Webcomic/SuicideBoy'' has Volumen 2.5 which got a polarizing reception from the fanbase (besides the [[BreatherEpisode Breather Arc]] "Hoonie Is Also A Boy" which [[ActuallyPrettyFunny is considered pretty funny]]), mostly for being a 29-chapters long CliffhangerWall focused on [[ADayInTheLimelight the secondary cast]], leaving to Hooni and Soorin going OutOfFocus and Jaehoon getting DemotedToExtra. Even when taked in their own account, fans found the arcs [[{{Wangst}} too melodramatic]], [[ArcFatigue unnecessarily long]], full of OutOfCharacter moments [[labelnote:Explanation]] Sana affection to Soorim being [[BashBrothers more brotherly]] that romantic unlike what [[HomoeroticSubtext their previous encounter implied]] (and then changed back in the following arc), [[spoiler: Hooni suddenly having feelings for Harim and being completely calm in his presence immediately after]], Hooni in general was thought to be OutOfCharacter in the last two chapters [[/labelnote]] and the [[AudienceAlienatingEnding conclusion of both arcs were rather controversial]] [[labelnote:Explanation]] [[spoiler:Minhyuk being EasilyForgiven and treated as a CoolBigBro after many years of being neglectful]], [[spoiler: Hooni and Harim getting StrangledByTheRedString]] .[[/labelnote]]. The official English translations are also considered to be much worse in this point with some fans even comparing it to Google Translation.