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** Taken UpToEleven in ''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight Arkham Knight]]''. Batman can ram mooks at high speed in the rocket-powered Batmobile while simultaneously zapping them with the electrified bumper... and, somehow, Detective Mode shows that the mooks are merely unconscious.
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* VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum has plenty of this, mostly because Batman's instant takedown moves include strangling mooks, breaking mook bones, or dropping mooks down a few floors. Don't forget the [[ExplosionPropulsion explosive gel]]! It's even one of the reason why Gordon didn't trust Batman at first, he is leaving people on the cold streets with broken bones.

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* VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'' has plenty of this, mostly because Batman's instant takedown moves include strangling mooks, breaking mook bones, or dropping mooks down a few floors. Don't forget the [[ExplosionPropulsion explosive gel]]! It's even one of the reason why Gordon didn't trust Batman at first, he is leaving people on the cold streets with broken bones.
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->''"So you won't kill, but [[Franchise/{{Batman}} you're]] fine with traumatic brain injuries?"''

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->''"So you won't kill, but [[Franchise/{{Batman}} you're]] you]] won't kill, but you're fine with traumatic brain injuries?"''




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* In the Story Mode of ''VideoGame/Injustice2'', a flashback shows Robin calling Batman out on this as he's "subduing" guards in Arkham Asylum to stop a [[FallenHero grief-stricken and deranged]] Superman from killing all the inmates; this leads in to Robin's FaceHeelTurn.
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->''"So you won't kill, but [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} you're]] fine with traumatic brain injuries?"''

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->''"So you won't kill, but [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} [[Franchise/{{Batman}} you're]] fine with traumatic brain injuries?"''



%%TheDarkKnightSaga version of Batman isn't an example. "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" is more like a TechnicalPacifist viewpoint.

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%%TheDarkKnightSaga %%Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy version of Batman isn't an example. "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" is more like a TechnicalPacifist viewpoint.
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->''"So you won't kill, but [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} you're]] fine with traumatic brain injuries?"''
-->-- '''Robin''', ''VideoGame/Injustice2''
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* If it weren't for [[{{Trigun}} Vash the Stampede's]] ImprobableAimingSkills, there is absolutely no way that any of his opponents would still be alive.

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* If it weren't for [[{{Trigun}} [[Manga/{{Trigun}} Vash the Stampede's]] ImprobableAimingSkills, there is absolutely no way that any of his opponents would still be alive.
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** Slashing some bounty hunters with his sword and throwing bombs at another one
** Slicing in half robots which seemed to be organic beings.

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** Slashing some bounty hunters with his sword and throwing bombs at another one
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** Slicing in half robots in half, which actually, seemed to be organic beings.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'' has killed for the first time in season 5, however he had no problem
** Throwing two people from a moving train down a cliff without knowing if they would survive.
** Slashing some bounty hunters with his sword and throwing bombs at another one
** Slicing in half robots which seemed to be organic beings.
** Destroying a car in the second episode without knowing if there was someone alive inside it.
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* VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum has plenty of this, mostly because Batman's instant takedown moves include strangling mooks, breaking mook bones, or dropping mooks down a few floors. Don't forget the [[ExplosionPropulsion explosive gel]]!

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* VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum has plenty of this, mostly because Batman's instant takedown moves include strangling mooks, breaking mook bones, or dropping mooks down a few floors. Don't forget the [[ExplosionPropulsion explosive gel]]!gel]]! It's even one of the reason why Gordon didn't trust Batman at first, he is leaving people on the cold streets with broken bones.
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* HarryPotter does this in Deathly Hallows - yes, Stupefy technically just knocks people unconscious, but when they're riding broomsticks hundreds of feet in the air... matters are made worse when he recognises one Death Eater as someone most likely under mind control and chooses to simply disarm him, which raises questions about all the ones whose faces he didn't see...
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* Franchise/DocSavage has a strict policy of nonlethality, to the point that he won't normally carry a gun. When he does shoot people, he prefers tranquilizer pellets over bullets. His lieutenants (especially Monk and Ham) aren't so squeamish. The evil mastermind, however, typically dies in the end, thanks to his own infernal contraption, without any interference from Doc.

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* Franchise/DocSavage has a strict policy of nonlethality, to the point that he won't normally carry a gun. When he does shoot people, he prefers tranquilizer pellets over bullets. His lieutenants (especially Monk and Ham) aren't so squeamish. The evil mastermind, however, typically dies in the end, [[SelfDisposingVillain thanks to his own infernal contraption, contraption]], without any interference from Doc.

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* Eliot on ''Series/{{Leverage}}'' causes an incredible amount of havoc for a supposed "hero."
-->"So yeah, we managed to get 7 million dollars back from that evil company and bankrupt them to boot. Let's see, that covers the original victims, and... well, fifteen policemen with life-changing nerve damage, one guard whose dream of being a concert violinist will never come true, eight thousand workers who've just lost their jobs and will have to find a new way to feed their families over the holidays, twelve cars whose windows I broke as a distraction (I'm sure the insurance will cover it... oh, wait, we just bankrupted the insurance company), three young men waiting for organ transplants who died because we shut down the freeway the ambulances were on...."

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* Eliot on ''Series/{{Leverage}}'' causes an incredible amount of havoc for a supposed "hero."
-->"So yeah, we managed
" As the team's "hitter"/"retrieval specialist" it is often his role to get 7 million dollars back from that evil company charge in and bankrupt them to boot. Let's see, that covers beat the original victims, and... well, fifteen policemen with life-changing nerve damage, one guard whose dream crap out of being a concert violinist will never come true, eight thousand workers who've crowds of people in defense of his teammates; since the Leverage crew are thieves and con artists working outside the law, often the people who Eliot is beating unconscious and generally tossing around like ragdolls are in fact innocent security guards and law enforcement officers just lost trying to do their jobs and will have to find a new way to feed their families over the holidays, twelve cars whose windows I broke as a distraction (I'm sure the insurance will cover it... oh, wait, we just bankrupted the insurance company), three young men waiting for organ transplants who died because we shut down the freeway the ambulances were on...."jobs.
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* The Goddess Sariel in ''LightNovel/KumoDesuGaNaniKa'' always prioritizes saving lives in the moment with no regard for the future consequences. This behavior has resulted in the near-collapse of the system which would kill every living creature on the planet and yet she still interferes when a solution is being implemented that costs lives.
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* Matt Murdock in ''Series/Daredevil'' has a strong ThouShaltNotKill policy for his vigilante activities. It doesn't stop him from pulling moves like ''throwing people off buildings'' or ''lighting them on fire''. Perhaps {{Justified}} by his super-senses giving him a better understanding of human anatomy and physics, but ''still''.

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* Matt Murdock in ''Series/Daredevil'' ''Series/Daredevil2015'', following the Tao of his comic counterpart, has a strong ThouShaltNotKill policy for his vigilante activities. It doesn't stop him from pulling moves like ''throwing people off buildings'' or ''lighting them on fire''. Perhaps {{Justified}} by his super-senses giving him a better and more precise understanding of human anatomy and physics, but ''still''.''still''.
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* Matt Murdock in ''Series/Daredevil'' has a strong ThouShaltNotKill policy for his vigilante activities. It doesn't stop him from pulling moves like ''throwing people off buildings'' or ''lighting them on fire''. Perhaps {{Justified}} by his super-senses giving him a better understanding of human anatomy and physics, but ''still''.
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* An option in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''. As a Froggit early in the Ruins points out, some monsters can be spared if you reduce their HP far enough without killing them. [[spoiler:This does ''not'' work on Toriel -- if you try it, she ''will'' die.]]
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* TheTerminator is this in the second movie. Being under orders not to kill doesn't seem to stop him from emptying a [[GatlingGood minigun]] at a group of police officers, then blowing up their cars.

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* TheTerminator is this in the second movie. Being ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'': The Terminator being under orders not to kill doesn't seem to stop him from emptying a [[GatlingGood minigun]] at a group of police officers, then blowing up their cars.
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* {{Pokemon}} and everyone who trains them.
* {{Medabots}} and most people who own one.
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Seeing as he directly and explicitly killed the wasp, it\'s not an example


** Cleave a buzzer wasp in half.
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This trope tends to present itself in media where NobodyCanDie, or NeverBringAKnifeToAFistFight and/or the InverseLawOfUtilityAndLethality is in effect. Contrast TechnicalPacifist and ActualPacifist. See also DestructiveSavior for when pacifists are reckless with property instead of people, and StupidGood for when pacifism is the wrong response anyway.

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This trope tends to present itself in media where NobodyCanDie, or NeverBringAKnifeToAFistFight and/or the InverseLawOfUtilityAndLethality is in effect. Contrast TechnicalPacifist and ActualPacifist. See also DestructiveSavior for when pacifists are reckless with property instead of people, and StupidGood for when pacifism is the wrong response anyway.
anyway. SisterTrope to SuicidalPacifism, when refusal to fight endangers one's own life.
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* Wizards in ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' are specifically prohibited from using magic to kill other humans for any reason. ''Non''magical killing is technically not covered by this (which is why the Wardens can still use their swords to execute warlocks readily enough), nor does the protection extend to nonhumans, and it's not entirely clear how far collateral damage is really covered -- a wizard using spells to fight off monsters can be quite destructive to the general environment in the process, and there's at least one case of Harry in particular burning down a house infested with vampires where he'll probably never know for certain whether or not all their human victims were in fact already ''really'' dead...
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* VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum has plenty of this, mostly because Batman's instant takedown moves include strangling mooks, breaking mook bones, or dropping mooks down a few floors. Don't forget the [[ExplosionPropulsion explosive gell]]!

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* VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum has plenty of this, mostly because Batman's instant takedown moves include strangling mooks, breaking mook bones, or dropping mooks down a few floors. Don't forget the [[ExplosionPropulsion explosive gell]]!gel]]!
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** To his credit, Kira does acknowledge this. It also backfired on him spectacurally in ''Destiny''.
* [[RurouniKenshin Kenshin Himura]] does this a lot. Beating people into a pulp with a Reverse Blade Sword [[ZigZaggingTrope may or may not cause internal injuries]], but somehow it never kills them, despite the fact that there are plenty of other people in the series who do use blunt weapons for lethal ends.

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** To his credit, Kira does acknowledge this. It also backfired on him spectacurally spectacularly in ''Destiny''.
* [[RurouniKenshin [[Manga/RurouniKenshin Kenshin Himura]] does this a lot. Beating people into a pulp with a Reverse Blade Sword [[ZigZaggingTrope may or may not cause internal injuries]], but somehow it never kills them, despite the fact that there are plenty of other people in the series who do use blunt weapons for lethal ends.
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** To his credit, Kira does acknowledge this. It also backfired on him spectacurally in ''Destiny''.
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* When [[GundamSEED Kira Yamato]] becomes a MartialPacifist, he disables enemy mobile suits. However, doing so in the middle of a battlefield will probably result in their deaths. He does, however, ''cleave battleships in half'' which will invariably cause many, many more deaths.

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* When [[GundamSEED [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Kira Yamato]] becomes a MartialPacifist, he disables enemy mobile suits. However, doing so in the middle of a battlefield will probably result in their deaths. He does, however, ''cleave battleships in half'' which will invariably cause many, many more deaths.
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* Aang from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' fits this trope well, as he's the one person specifically committed to not killing, even if it's [[BigBad the Fire Lord]]. That said, he does cause his share of collateral damage. Aang has been known to:

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* Aang [[TheHero Aang]] from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' fits this trope well, as he's the one person specifically committed to not killing, even if it's [[BigBad the Fire Lord]]. That said, he does cause his share of collateral damage. Aang has been known to:
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** Use avalanches as weapons against hundreds of soldiers.


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** Use his powers to cause random mayhem just for the hell of it.
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* In CowboyBebop, it's explicitly stated that bounties must be turned over to the cops alive and unharmed, but that sure doesn't stop the crew from using a variety of highly lethal equipment, from handguns to spaceship mounted machine guns and missiles, and display a total disregard for collateral damage.

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* In CowboyBebop, ''Anime/CowboyBebop'', it's explicitly stated that bounties must be turned over to the cops alive and unharmed, but that sure doesn't stop the crew from using a variety of highly lethal equipment, from handguns to spaceship mounted machine guns and missiles, and display a total disregard for collateral damage.
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* DocSavage has a strict policy of nonlethality, to the point that he won't normally carry a gun. When he does shoot people, he prefers tranquilizer pellets over bullets. His lieutenants (especially Monk and Ham) aren't so squeamish. The evil mastermind, however, typically dies in the end, thanks to his own infernal contraption, without any interference from Doc.

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* DocSavage Franchise/DocSavage has a strict policy of nonlethality, to the point that he won't normally carry a gun. When he does shoot people, he prefers tranquilizer pellets over bullets. His lieutenants (especially Monk and Ham) aren't so squeamish. The evil mastermind, however, typically dies in the end, thanks to his own infernal contraption, without any interference from Doc.
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* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' RPG ''Edge of the Empire'', stun damage is usually safe. However, depending on the results of your roll, it can still deal critical damage -- which has a chance (albeit a slim one, unless they're already suffering from crits) to horribly maim or even outright kill the victim. The guidelines for GM adjudication point out that people get in fights in all kinds of hazardous places, and it's easy for a stun victim to fall on something sharp, stumble into a pit, etc.

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* In the ''Franchise/StarWars'' RPG ''Edge of the Empire'', ''TabletopGame/EdgeOfTheEmpire'', stun damage is usually safe. However, depending on the results of your roll, it can still deal critical damage -- which has a chance (albeit a slim one, unless they're already suffering from crits) to horribly maim or even outright kill the victim. The guidelines for GM adjudication point out that people get in fights in all kinds of hazardous places, and it's easy for a stun victim to fall on something sharp, stumble into a pit, etc.

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