History Main / JerkassHasAPoint

** Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} tends to fall into this whenever he opens his mouth. What he lacks for in tact he makes up for in usually having the right idea. As an example, the "[[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel Tower of Babel]]" arc has him pointing out that there needs to be failsafes in place in case something happens and the Justice League goes rogue (and considering brainwashing schemes happen pretty often, he's right and the League grudgingly agrees with this)... only problem is, the arc has the League being nearly killed when the League of Assassins uses some of Batman's failsafe plans against them, and the moment Batman points this out is on the aftermath when he's completely unapologetic about the plans (and the fact that there were no plans to handle ''him'' if the League had to take him down) and the League votes to kick him out.

** "The New Frontiersman" newspaper, which Rorschach is a big fan of, demonstrates some pretty disgusting tendencies in the articles we read and are generally portrayed as racist lunatics. For some idea, it claims that a rival paper comparing superhero vigilantes and the KKK is a ''good'' thing because the KKK were just defending their homes and heritage, it openly refers to said rival paper as "coked-out commie cowards", and its political cartoon has multiple racist caricatures. But the New Frontiersman is quite right that most of the official versions of events don't make sense and various suspicious disappearances have been buried in the news media. Its suggestion that Veidt is working on some kind of malicious conspiracy turns out to be true as well, and you can practically hear them connecting the dots in the article proper. It's just that they stumbled upon it not through a desire to uncover the truth, but because they wanted any evidence to suggest that Veidt was up to no good since he's a wealthy leftist and AmbiguouslyGay. [[spoiler:Rorschach sends them the diary containing his deduction that Ozymandias is the mastermind behind the conspiracy (not including what he and Nite Owl learned in Antarctica) but it's unclear whether they will publish it.]]

* Many online critics who play up a more {{caustic|Critic}} character, (like WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic, WebVideo/TheCinemaSnob, etc.) can come off as [[DeadpanSnarker antagonistically snarky]] at best to over-the-top violent at worst when it comes to their reviews of various movies, games, TV shows, etc. But that doesn't make their criticism of the works they review any less valid. Given that a fair amount of the material they review often falls under lists of [[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible "Worst of All Time"]], it arguably makes their points that much stronger.

* ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'' sees the Commander, an evil {{expy}} of [[Characters/MarvelComicsSteveRogers Captain America]], criticize the Authority for thinking they know how to best how to tell people how to live their lives and how a "better world" should be. While the Commander is a rapist (in fact, saying this to Apollo after raping him), he's right that the Authority was composed of pretty screwed-up people themselves.
* Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} tends to fall into this whenever he opens his mouth. What he lacks for in tact he makes up for in usually having the right idea. As an example, the "[[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmericaTowerOfBabel Tower of Babel]]" arc has him pointing out that there needs to be failsafes in place in case something happens and the Justice League goes rogue (and considering brainwashing schemes happen pretty often, he's right and the League grudgingly agrees with this)... only problem is, the arc has the League being nearly killed when the League of Assassins uses some of Batman's failsafe plans against them, and the moment Batman points this out is on the aftermath when he's completely unapologetic about the plans (and the fact that there were no plans to handle ''him'' if the League had to take him down) and the League votes to kick him out.
* In the "Under the Hood" storyline, the Red Hood, a resurrected second Robin (Jason Todd), goes on a revenge spree that culminates in him and his former mentor, Bruce Wayne, in an apartment with a bound Joker. Jason and Bruce debate about whether or not Bruce should have killed the Joker to prevent the death and terror he has caused, with Bruce making a slippery slope defense that if he started killing, he'd never stop. Jason breaks down and says that he's angry that Bruce didn't kill the Joker... to avenge Jason. It's meant to show that Jason's bluster does somewhat boil down to him thinking that Bruce didn't love him enough and that he doesn't understand Batman's philosophy. However... ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' had Bruce outright planning to kill Alexander Luthor Jr. ''with a gun'' when he thinks that Alex caused the death of Dick Grayson before Wonder Woman stops him. Similarly, he tries to strangle the original Lex Luthor to death in ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil2013'' when he thought that Lex had killed Dick with Catwoman ''unable'' to stop him and Bruce only stopping once Lex reveals he just temporarily stopped Dick's heart. And in ''ComicBook/BatmanTomKing'', when [=KGBeast=] shoots Dick in the head, Bruce tracks the guy down and ''brutally'' beats him and leaves him to die in a snowstorm (he didn't die, but Bruce didn't know he'd survive). So... Jason is right. Bruce didn't love him enough to avenge him, because his slippery slope argument will be ignored if his ''favourite'' son is killed or almost killed.
* In ''ComicBook/Camelot3000'', King Arthur returns to save the world from an alien invasion, and announces that he will unite the nations of Earth to fight off the aliens. The major world leaders all privately agree to pretend to help him, but betray and kill him as soon as possible. They are all depicted a {{Corrupt Politician}}s and are clearly bad people; but to be fair, from their perspective some random nobody claiming to be a figure of legend back from the dead did just essentially declare himself military dictator of Earth
* In ''ComicBook/ChickTracts'', there's typically [[BlackAndWhiteMorality unambiguous depictions of who is right and who is wrong]], and [[StrawCharacter opposing characters who don't make valid points]] ([[StrawManHasAPoint or at least, aren't supposed to]]). However, there are times when an unpleasant unsaved character has a point.

* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' comic series ''Origin'', narrating the backstories for the characters, the leader of an adventurers' guild in Qadira refuses to send his men to save a ratfolk's village from vampires at Kyra's request, on the grounds that the ratfolk doesn't have any money to pay the guild with. While the guildmaster could have been less of a jerk about it, he does make a good point: Kyra cannot expect people to just go and risk their lives for, essentially, nothing but gratitude.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Raptors}}'', the vampire nobility opted to abandon their old ways and live among humanity in hopes of conquering it from within. One of their members, Don Molina, rejected this since he preferred to prey on humans like a bestial predator and as such, he was killed by the rest for treason. Ultimately, he was proven right in the long run since vampires lost their powers and immortality over the years and are slowly becoming like humans themselves to the point they can be killed through conventional means and mundane diseases, while Molina's surviving children, who kept true to the old ways, retained their powers.
* In ''ComicBook/SinCity: The Big Fat Kill'', while Dwight's driving a car loaded with dead bodies -- including a dead cop who wouldn't fit in the trunk in the passenger seat with a pistol slide ''lodged in his forehead'' -- he gets pulled over. His passenger immediately starts talking about how screwed he is.

* Both Prowl and Rodimus get this at the beginning of ''ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' and ''ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise'':

* ComicBook/UltimateMarvel

** Early on in Creator/ChrisClaremont's run, Wolverine (pre-character development) snaps at Cyclops for being harsh on the X-Men over Thunderbird's death. Banshee steps in to point out that as obnoxious and rude as Wolverine is being, he's not wrong. Cyclops concedes the point.

** When Susan confronts Tom about being a ManipulativeBastard to score a date with her, he claims ''everyone'' manipulates people by responding in ways to get certain reactions. He sees himself differently because "AtLeastIAdmitIt". Susan acknowledges the point but shuts down his attempted JerkJustifications by pointing out the majority of people do that sort of thing for good or otherwise benign reasons, like protecting a friend's feelings or keeping something private. Tom was just being selfish because he did everything he did ''knowing'' Susan wasn't looking to date anyone.

* In ''Lupo Alberto'', Moses uses his power as the farm's leader in rather tyrannical ways, and, being also the farm's guardian, beats up Alberto every time he shows up to meet his girlfriend Martha. Most of the farm's inhabitants are lazy and/or stupid (as shown when Enrico won the election to replace him with such promises as creating a river of milk and honey and getting to Mars before 2020) and ''need'' a firm hand (Moses often goes overboard, but [[OnlySaneMan it's clear most of it is out of frustration at their shenanigans]]), and as for his treatment of Alberto... [[WorldOfFunnyAnimals Moses' a Bobtail sheepdog, Martha is a hen and Alberto is a wolf]] who [[FurryReminder who sometimes has eaten other chicken]]...

*** She's ''right'' in that all murders take place at night ([[spoiler: Mukuro and Sakura being the exceptions, but the former was executed, and the latter committed suicide), and each time, the investigation is complicated because of the lack of witnesses. [[spoiler: In fact, Celestia's ''own'' murder plan revolves around drawing Kiyotaka out of his room at night so he can be killed and the scene arranged without risking being interrupted, though her murder of Hifumi took place in the morning.]]

*** When Togami is first introduced, it's as the "Super High School Level Heir", because he's the heir to the giant Togami corporation. Many of the others, probably including the player, assume he was allowed into Hope's Peak just because he was born into a wealthy family. Nope! He's not there just because he's the heir to a giant corporation; he's there because he's ''incredibly qualified to be'' the heir to a giant corporation, having already succeeded in business independently as a teenager.

* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' has the pretty unpleasant Zulenna who habitually advocated Baron's dubious actions [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040312 including]] imprisonment of "Othar Tryggvassen, '''GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER!'''" Agatha and other students ignored this. The guy turned to be more or less as much heroic as he pretended to be... and [[HeroAntagonist a dangerous nutcase]] as a bonus. Zulenna generally has a point any time she is not posturing. However, it's also been pointed out in-strip that Othar's "Kill all the insane world-wrecking Sparks" master-plan is not entirely without its merits. In fact, [[EmperorScientist Klaus Wulfenbach]] only has Othar dragged to [[CoolAirship Castle Wulfenbach]] for a little "talk" when the latter started killing Sparks who ''were'' doing their best ''not'' to threaten the Pax Transylvania.

* In ''WesternAnimation/Shrek2'', Shrek and Fiona get into an argument about how it would be a bad idea for him and Fiona to travel to Far Far Away. Shrek expresses his concern about how Fiona’s parents would react to seeing the latter’s Ogre form. He is proven right when Harold isn’t happy with seeing Fiona as an Ogre. Even Fiona comes to agree with Shrek’s viewpoint when she packs her things to go back to Shrek’s swamp

* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' has the pretty unpleasant Zulenna who habitually advocated Baron's dubious actions [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040312 including]] imprisonment of "Othar Tryggvassen, '''GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER!'''" Agatha and other students ignored this. The guy turned to be more or less as much heroic as he pretended to be... and [[HeroAntagonist a dangerous nutcase]] as a bonus. Zulenna generally has a point any time she is not posturing. However, it's also been pointed out in-strip that Othar's "Kill all the insane world-wrecking Sparks" master-plan is not entirely without its merits.

* ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'': One of the movie's points is that Merida and Eleanor ''[[BothSidesHaveAPoint both]]'' need to learn this about the other.

** Eleanor is overly strict and controlling with Merida, but she's right that there are things Merida needs to learn so she can be a good queen one day.

** In Issue #39 of ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018'', J. Jonah Jameson argues that Spider-Man is at least in part responsible for his own [[HeroWithBadPublicity bad publicity]]. While most other superheroes often work in teams and communities and are fairly open with the public, Spider-Man has a secret identity, is usually a lone wolf, and frequently gets into fights with other superheroes before teaming up with them (though as Peter points out, this is very common for other Marvel superheroes). Furthermore, whenever Jameson made a false accusation against Spider-Man, the Wall-Crawler's response was never to reach out and set the record straight but rather to insult, antagonize and sometimes even ''threaten'' Jameson. [[NotHelpingYourCase Not a good look if you're trying to convince the world you aren't a public menace.]] Additionally, as Jameson points out, the Kingpin was able to turn half the city against Spider-Man without Jameson saying a single negative word against the Wall-Crawler.

* ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'': "What Comes Next" is King George telling the colonies that they're on their own now and will have to govern themselves, which isn't easy. Though there is some bitterness at having lost the war in his assessment, George Washington expresses similar sentiments, and the events of the second act (which focus heavily on the difficulties of politics and government) ultimately prove the King right.

* In ''VisualNovel/MysticMessenger,'' during V's route, at one point Yoosung calls his aunt/Rika's adoptive mother, an objectively despicable woman [[AbusiveParents who consistently treated Rika worse than dirt throughout her whole childhood, constantly telling her that she was going to hell]] and [[RapeAsBackstory brushing her off when she confessed that their church's pastor had been sexually abusing her.]] He informs her that Rika [[NeverFoundTheBody supposedly died,]] and asks if she knows of any reason why she would have killed herself like V claims. She dismisses the idea outright and instead says that Rika must have faked her own death and V is helping her stay hidden from the RFA. [[spoiler:She's completely right on both accounts]].

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** In Issue #39 of ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer'', J. Jonah Jameson argues that Spider-Man is at least in part responsible for his own [[HeroWithBadPublicity bad publicity]]. While most other superheroes often work in teams and communities and are fairly open with the public, Spider-Man has a secret identity, is usually a lone wolf, and frequently gets into fights with other superheroes before teaming up with them (though as Peter points out, this is very common for other Marvel superheroes). Furthermore, whenever Jameson made a false accusation against Spider-Man, the Wall-Crawler's response was never to reach out and set the record straight but rather to insult, antagonize and sometimes even ''threaten'' Jameson. [[NotHelpingYourCase Not a good look if you're trying to convince the world you aren't a public menace.]] Additionally, as Jameson points out, the Kingpin was able to turn half the city against Spider-Man without Jameson saying a single negative word against the Wall-Crawler.

*** Soseki Natsume was infuriated at Herlock Sholmes for being the one to place him under arrest and starting the whole mess of him being accused of attacking a woman. Herlock, never one to mince words, pointed out Soseki was the one who abandoned the woman and ran off in a panic after seeing her mysteriously collapsed. If he checked on the woman instead of assuming she died, the woman would have been taken to the hospital earlier and she would have regained consciousness sooner, thus avoiding the whole situation. Soseki concedes he did behave badly and was regretful of his actions.

*** Soseki Natsume was infuriated at Herlock Sholmes for being the one to place him under arrest, leading to everyone to accuse him of attacking a woman. However, Herlock pointed out Soseki was the one who abandoned the woman and ran off in a panic after seeing her mysteriously collapsed. If he checked on the woman instead of presuming she was dead, the woman would have been taken to the hospital earlier and she would have regained consciousness sooner, thus avoiding the whole trial. Soseki concedes he did behave badly and was regretful of his actions.