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** In Volume 7, Jacques tries becoming a councilman to restrict Ironwood's power and remove the Dust embargo that's eating into his profits, arguing that the embargo is damaging the economy. The embargo is indeed reducing Mantle to destitution and his complaints about Ironwood's paranoia and tyrannical leadership decisions are shared by by the council and even by heroes like Nora, Blake and Robyn. [[spoiler:No-one is able to prevent Ironwood's spiral, resulting in him eventually transforming into a villain.]]

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** In Volume 7, Jacques tries becoming a councilman to restrict Ironwood's power and remove the Dust embargo that's eating into his profits, arguing that the embargo is damaging the economy. The embargo is indeed reducing Mantle to destitution and his complaints about Ironwood's paranoia and tyrannical leadership decisions are shared by by the council and even by heroes like Nora, Blake and Robyn. [[spoiler:No-one is able [[spoiler:He was the closest one to prevent actually doing something about Ironwood's encroaching power but Weiss stopping him inadvertantly led to Ironwood's spiral, resulting in him eventually transforming into a villain.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'': Tigress and Master Shifu spend most of the film being completely dismissive and spiteful of Po. Despite their hostility, they ''are'' right about him being an overweight fanboy who, while enthusiastic and quite knowledgeable, has no actual training or experience. Even Po himself questions how Master Oogway can think he is the Dragon Warrior. Their skepticism becomes this trope when they consistently treat him with snide contempt even when the others, equally skeptical about Po, nevertheless see that he's well-meaning and making a genuine effort to learn. In Tigress's case, her point is undermined by the fact that her treatment of Po is pretty clearly motivated more out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy and resentment]] over having her thunder stolen and feeling entitled to be named the Dragon Warrior, much as Tai Lung was.

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* ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'': ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda1'': Tigress and Master Shifu spend most of the film being completely dismissive and spiteful of Po. Despite their hostility, they ''are'' right about him being an overweight fanboy who, while enthusiastic and quite knowledgeable, has no actual training or experience. Even Po himself questions how Master Oogway can think he is the Dragon Warrior. Their skepticism becomes this trope when they consistently treat him with snide contempt even when the others, equally skeptical about Po, nevertheless see that he's well-meaning and making a genuine effort to learn. In Tigress's case, her point is undermined by the fact that her treatment of Po is pretty clearly motivated more out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy and resentment]] over having her thunder stolen and feeling entitled to be named the Dragon Warrior, much as Tai Lung was.
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*** She's ''right'' in that all murders take place at night ([[spoiler: Mukuro and Sakura being the exceptions, but the former was executed, and the latter committed suicide]]), and each time, the investigation is complicated because of the lack of witnesses. [[spoiler: In fact, Celestia's ''own'' murder plan revolves around drawing Kiyotaka out of his room at night so he can be killed and the scene arranged without risking being interrupted, though her murder of Hifumi took place in the morning.]]
** Hiyoko Saionji, a bully who enjoys squashing ants for fun, sometimes plays a role similar to the first game's Byakuya in [[VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair the sequel]]. After the first murder, she points out that everyone has to get their acts together and find the killer, or everyone besides the killer will die. After the second trial ends, in which it is revealed that [[spoiler:Fuyuhiko]] is indirectly responsible for the death of [[spoiler:Hiyoko's best friend, Mahiru]], she coldly blames him for everything that happened. [[spoiler:Fuyuhiko]] agrees, then [[spoiler:attempts {{Seppuku}}]] in an attempt to atoning and apologize to her.

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*** She's ''right'' in that all murders take place at night ([[spoiler: Mukuro and Sakura being the exceptions, but the former was executed, summarily executed for attacking Monokuma, and the latter committed suicide]]), and each time, the investigation is complicated because of the lack of witnesses. [[spoiler: In fact, Celestia's ''own'' murder plan revolves around drawing Kiyotaka out of his room at night so he can be killed and the scene arranged without risking being interrupted, though her murder of Hifumi took place in the morning.]]
** Hiyoko Saionji, a bully who enjoys squashing ants for fun, sometimes plays a role similar to the first game's Byakuya in [[VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair the sequel]]. After the first murder, she points out that everyone has to get their acts together and find the killer, or everyone besides the killer will die. After the second trial ends, in which it is revealed that [[spoiler:Fuyuhiko]] is indirectly responsible for the death of [[spoiler:Hiyoko's best friend, Mahiru]], she coldly blames him for everything that happened. [[spoiler:Fuyuhiko]] agrees, then [[spoiler:attempts {{Seppuku}}]] in an attempt to atoning atone and apologize to her.
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** In ''WesternAnimation/ShrekTheThird'', When Artie decides to bail out of being king when the responsibilities of such a job are (inadvertently) revealed to him, one of Shrek's responses is effectively "Back to what, being a loser?". While these were harsh words and in context Shrek is just giving the kid the job so he doesn't have to do it, he isn't exactly wrong that Artie is still giving up a chance of a lifetime in favor of going back to a place where he was so unpopular even stereotypical nerds bullied him. It's worth noting that Artie never does provide a real counterfeit to this claim besides the fact, he simply doesn't want the responsibilities laid on him.

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** In ''WesternAnimation/ShrekTheThird'', When Artie decides to bail out of being king when the responsibilities of such a job are (inadvertently) revealed to him, one of Shrek's responses is effectively "Back to what, being a loser?". While these were harsh words and in context Shrek is just giving the kid the job so he doesn't have to do it, he isn't exactly wrong that Artie is still giving up a chance of a lifetime in favor of going back to a place where he was so unpopular [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer unpopular]] even stereotypical nerds bullied him. It's worth noting that Artie never does provide a real counterfeit to this claim besides the fact, he simply doesn't want the responsibilities laid on him.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/Shrek2'', Shrek and Fiona get into an argument about how it would be a bad idea for him and Fiona to travel to Far Far Away. Shrek expresses his concern about how Fiona's parents would react to seeing the latter's Ogre form. He is proven right when Harold isn't happy with seeing Fiona as an Ogre. Even Fiona comes to agree with Shrek's viewpoint when she packs her things to go back to Shrek's swamp (this happens after another argument that Shrek and Fiona have about this topic).

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In ''WesternAnimation/Shrek2'', Shrek and Fiona get into an argument about how it would be a bad idea for him and Fiona to travel to Far Far Away. Shrek expresses his concern about how Fiona's parents would react to seeing the latter's Ogre form. He is proven right when Harold isn't happy with seeing Fiona as an Ogre. Even Fiona comes to agree with Shrek's viewpoint when she packs her things to go back to Shrek's swamp (this happens after another argument that Shrek and Fiona have about this topic).topic).
** In ''WesternAnimation/ShrekTheThird'', When Artie decides to bail out of being king when the responsibilities of such a job are (inadvertently) revealed to him, one of Shrek's responses is effectively "Back to what, being a loser?". While these were harsh words and in context Shrek is just giving the kid the job so he doesn't have to do it, he isn't exactly wrong that Artie is still giving up a chance of a lifetime in favor of going back to a place where he was so unpopular even stereotypical nerds bullied him. It's worth noting that Artie never does provide a real counterfeit to this claim besides the fact, he simply doesn't want the responsibilities laid on him.

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* ''ComicBook/Camelot3000'': King Arthur returns to save the world from an alien invasion, and announces that he will unite the nations of Earth to fight off the aliens. The major world leaders all privately agree to pretend to help him, but betray and kill him as soon as possible. They are all depicted a {{Corrupt Politician}}s and are clearly bad people; but to be fair, from their perspective some random nobody claiming to be a figure of legend back from the dead did just essentially declare himself military dictator of Earth.

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* ''ComicBook/Camelot3000'': King Arthur returns to save the world from an alien invasion, and announces that he will unite the nations of Earth to fight off the aliens. The major world leaders all privately agree to pretend to help him, but betray and kill him as soon as possible. They are all depicted a as {{Corrupt Politician}}s and are clearly bad people; people, but to be fair, from their perspective some random nobody claiming to be a figure of legend back from the dead did just essentially declare himself military dictator of Earth.



* ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk:'' General Ross is often portrayed as irrationally treating the Hulk and Banner as an irredeemable threat who needs to be destroyed, even though the Hulk just wants to be left alone and Banner doesn't want to ''be'' the Hulk, but on the instances where Hulk or Banner have been less benevolent, Ross's point about their destructive potential is right. Notably, when performing a ([[DeathFakedForYou fake]]) eulogy, Bruce even admits Ross's actions over the years might've saved lives.



** ''ComicBook/UltimateFF'': Sue can not stand Van Damme's infinite self-pride and constant reminders of the great hero he is, but, as Sam pointed... he ''did'' sacrifice himself to save humanity, back in ''ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour''.

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** ''ComicBook/UltimateFF'': Sue can not can't stand Van Damme's infinite self-pride and constant reminders of the great hero he is, but, as Sam pointed...points out... he ''did'' sacrifice himself to save humanity, back in ''ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour''.



*** Ross and Wraith despise each other with a passion. Ross told him that Nick Fury had been captured, all his intelligence secrets and now available for terrorists to get, and he needs the help of Weapon X. Wraith replied "Not exactly SHIELD's finest hour, general Ross". Ross accepted he had a point. "No, Colonel Wraith. Not our finest hour at all".

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*** Ross and Wraith may despise each other with a passion. passion, but when Ross told tells him that Nick Fury had has been captured, with all his intelligence secrets and now available for terrorists to get, and he needs the help of Weapon X. X, Wraith replied replies "Not exactly SHIELD's finest hour, general General Ross". Ross accepted he had a point. "No, Colonel Wraith. Not our finest hour at all".



** ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'': During the "Ultimate Clone Saga", Xavier refuses to erase May Parker's memories of learning Peter's secret identity, something Kitty gets angry about. Jean asks him if perhaps Kitty was right, but the cute moment of May and Peter confirms that Xavier did the best thing.

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** ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'': During the "Ultimate Clone Saga", Xavier refuses to erase May Parker's memories of learning Peter's secret identity, something Kitty gets angry about. Jean asks him if perhaps Kitty was right, but the cute moment of May and Peter reconciling confirms that Xavier did the best right thing.
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* ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'': The Commander, an evil {{expy}} of [[Characters/MarvelComicsSteveRogers Captain America]], criticize the Authority for thinking they know how to best how to tell people how to live their lives and how a "better world" should be. While the Commander is a rapist (in fact, saying this to Apollo after raping him), he's right that the Authority was composed of pretty screwed-up people themselves.

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* ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'': The Commander, an evil {{expy}} of [[Characters/MarvelComicsSteveRogers Captain America]], criticize criticizes the Authority for thinking they know how to best how to tell people how to live their lives and how a "better world" should be. While the Commander is a rapist (in fact, saying this to Apollo after raping him), he's right that the Authority was composed of pretty screwed-up people themselves.



** Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} tends to fall into this whenever he opens his mouth. What he lacks for in tact he makes up for in usually having the right idea. As an example, the "[[ComicBook/JLATowerOfBabel Tower of Babel]]" arc has him pointing out that there needs to be failsafes in place in case something happens and the Justice League goes rogue (and considering brainwashing schemes happen pretty often, he's right and the League grudgingly agrees with this)... only problem is, the arc has the League being nearly killed when the League of Assassins uses some of Batman's failsafe plans against them, and the moment Batman points this out is on the aftermath when he's completely unapologetic about the plans (and the fact that there were no plans to handle ''him'' if the League had to take him down) and the League votes to kick him out.

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** Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} tends to fall into this whenever he opens his mouth. What he lacks for in tact he makes up for in usually having the right idea. As an example, the "[[ComicBook/JLATowerOfBabel Tower of Babel]]" arc has him pointing out that there needs need to be failsafes in place in case something happens and the Justice League goes rogue (and considering brainwashing schemes happen pretty often, he's right and the League grudgingly agrees with this)... only problem is, the arc has the League being nearly killed when the League of Assassins uses some of Batman's failsafe plans against them, and the moment Batman points this out is on the aftermath when he's completely unapologetic about the plans (and the fact that there were no plans to handle ''him'' if the League had to take him down) and the League votes to kick him out.



* ''ComicBook/Camelot3000'': King Arthur returns to save the world from an alien invasion, and announces that he will unite the nations of Earth to fight off the aliens. The major world leaders all privately agree to pretend to help him, but betray and kill him as soon as possible. They are all depicted a {{Corrupt Politician}}s and are clearly bad people; but to be fair, from their perspective some random nobody claiming to be a figure of legend back from the dead did just essentially declare himself military dictator of Earth

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* ''ComicBook/Camelot3000'': King Arthur returns to save the world from an alien invasion, and announces that he will unite the nations of Earth to fight off the aliens. The major world leaders all privately agree to pretend to help him, but betray and kill him as soon as possible. They are all depicted a {{Corrupt Politician}}s and are clearly bad people; but to be fair, from their perspective some random nobody claiming to be a figure of legend back from the dead did just essentially declare himself military dictator of EarthEarth.
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** [[spoiler:Magnifi Gramarye]] was a huge {{Jerkass}}, culminating with calling Zak and Valant to his hospital room to [[spoiler:subject them to a rather cruel SecretTestOfCharacter to determine who will inherit the rights to his tricks]]. However, he had a point in kicking [[spoiler:Mr. Reus]] out of the troupe after the latter injured himself during practice and wanted to perform on stage regardless. Considering how dangerous Troupe Gramaryes' tricks have been shown to be, this was quite probably the best way to avoid an incident on stage.

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** [[spoiler:Magnifi Gramarye]] was a huge {{Jerkass}}, culminating with calling Zak and Valant to his hospital room to [[spoiler:subject them to a rather cruel SecretTestOfCharacter to determine who will inherit the rights to his tricks]]. However, he had a point in kicking [[spoiler:Mr. Reus]] out of the troupe after the latter injured himself during practice and wanted to perform on stage regardless. Considering how dangerous Troupe Gramaryes' tricks have been shown to be, with [[spoiler:one of them becoming a blind amnesiac as a result of one such trick]], this was quite probably the best way to avoid an incident on stage.
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* At the start of ''WesternAnimation/TheEmperorsNewGroove'', Kuzco unceremoniously fires Yzma, his longtime advisor and de-facto guardian. He's a jerk about it but as he himself points out, Yzma is blatantly trying to set herself up as RegentForLife and is clearly a bad ruler.

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