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* In ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', Tiffany's desire to get into acting without any formal training is given the AmbitionIsEvil treatment and she's all but told that she'll fail without the proper training. This is all despite the fact that A) plenty of famous actors have had no formal training before getting into the business and B) at that point, Tiffany already had a modest professional resume.

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* In ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}''
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Tiffany's desire to get into acting without any formal training is given the AmbitionIsEvil treatment and she's all but told that she'll fail without the proper training. This is all despite the fact that A) plenty of famous actors have had no formal training before getting into the business and B) at that point, Tiffany already had a modest professional resume.resume.
** In an April 2021 storyline, Tiffany agrees to arrange a customized romantic dinner experience for Bets and Gunther, with Bets footing the bill for a pirate-themed evening. When date night arrived, Tiff had set up a standard "romantic dinner" instead. We're supposed to see both women as wrong: Tiff for ignoring Bets' express wishes and Bets for flipping out as a result. The problem her is that Bets had every right to be angry: She asked and paid for a specific service and Tiff agreed to provide it, with no intention of doing so. It doesn't matter whether or not the "pirate date" was a bad idea or not.


* ''WesternAnimation/MickeysTwiceUponAChristmas'':
** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall and understandably flips out, Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was clearly Daisy's fault for bringing a distressed Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.
** "Mickey's Dog-Gone Christmas" tries to make the audience view Mickey as being unfair to Pluto after he snaps at him, but Mickey had every reason to get angry at Pluto since the latter had tried to put the star on top of the tree against Mickey's orders, causing his hard-worked decorations to be destroyed in the process. Mickey also wasn't even being that harsh to Pluto and had simply told him to stay in his dog house.

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* The Lisa's Story movie arc in ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' practically runs on this. It revolves around Les Moore's insistence that "Lisa's story be told correctly" and not "glamorized." But he never says what that entails, or tells anyone what they're doing wrong. And, he originally wrote the script himself! It's even worse in the 2019-20 revisiting, where Les continues to complain about every aspect of the production, even though all of Hollywood is bending over backwards to appease him. On top of all that, Les' retellings of canonical events in the comic strip suggest he's not the most objective source of truth about Lisa.


* In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke'', the first half has Batgirl constantly whining about how Batman "doesn't take her seriously," ignoring the fact that every time she tries taking on Paris Franz, she nearly gets killed in the process while Batman rescues her. His concerns, thus, are perfectly valid.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke'', the first half has Batgirl constantly whining about how Batman "doesn't take her seriously," ignoring the fact that every time she tries taking on Paris Franz, she nearly gets killed in the process while Batman rescues her. His concerns, thus, are perfectly valid. And it was only after she took her bottled up anger at Franz when he's arrested did she understand Batman's concern, which prompted her to quit.


* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': [[spoiler:Agatha's treatment of the Puritans. While Norman was telling her that she was [[HeWhoFightsMonsters becoming just as bad them]], that message somewhat falls flat as Agatha's curse wasn't as severe as what the Puritans did to her. They had ''murdered'' an innocent 11-year-old child and had gotten away with such a heinous action. Agatha only cursed them to rise from their graves (it's ambiguous as to whether or not her curse had killed them, since neither she nor her descendant Norman showed such an ability in life, so it's possible she gained that power after her death) so they could be ridiculed and tormented by the townspeople. While the townspeople would accuse Norman of being behind the zombies and try to lynch him, that was not part of Agatha's plan. She only wanted to make the people [[DoubleMeaning "see how rotten"]] the Puritan judges were. Compare that to the Puritans' act of killing a child and Agatha seems like the lesser of two evils.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': [[spoiler:Agatha's treatment of the Puritans. While Norman was telling her that she was [[HeWhoFightsMonsters becoming just as bad as them]], that message somewhat falls flat as Agatha's curse wasn't as severe as what the Puritans did to her. They had ''murdered'' an innocent 11-year-old child and had gotten away with such a heinous action. Agatha only cursed them to rise from their graves (it's ambiguous as to whether or not her curse had killed them, since neither she nor her descendant Norman showed such an ability in life, so it's possible she gained that power after her death) so they could be ridiculed and tormented by the townspeople. While the townspeople would accuse Norman of being behind the zombies and try to lynch him, that was not part of Agatha's plan. She only wanted to make the people [[DoubleMeaning "see how rotten"]] the Puritan judges were. Compare that to the Puritans' act of killing a child and Agatha seems like the lesser of two evils.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': [[spoiler:Agatha's treatment of the Puritans. While Norman was telling her that she was [[HeWhoFightsMonsters becoming just as bad them]], that message somewhat falls flat as Agatha's curse wasn't as severe as what the Puritans did to her. They had ''murdered'' an innocent 11-year-old child and had gotten away with such a heinous action. Agatha only cursed them to rise from their graves (it's ambiguous as to whether or not her curse had killed them, since neither she nor her descendant Norman showed such an ability in life, so it's possible she gained that power after her death) so they could be ridiculed and tormented by the townspeople. While the townspeople would accuse Norman of being behind the zombies and try to lynch him, that was not part of Agatha's plan. She only wanted to make the people [[DoubleMeaning "see how rotten"]] the Puritan judges were. Compare that to the Puritans' act of killing a child and Agatha seems like the lesser of two evils.]]


* In ''Comicstrip/LittleOrphanAnnie'', Mrs. Warbucks donates large amounts of money to charity. However, she doesn't care a bit about the poor, she just wants to be praised and give a good impression. Fact remains that the poor probably wish more people were like her. Motivation aside, she does help the needy, and that's a good thing.

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* In ''Comicstrip/LittleOrphanAnnie'', Mrs. Warbucks donates large amounts of money to charity. However, she doesn't care a bit about the poor, she just wants to be praised and give a good impression. Fact remains that the poor probably wish more rich people were like her. Motivation aside, she does help the needy, and that's a good thing.



* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6830221/1/Identities Identities]]'': The narrative tries to paint Legolas as being wrong in regards to his suspicions of and hostility towards Morwen. The problem is that Morwen spent literal millennia as an agent of Sauron (who is also [[spoiler:apparently]] her father), and the Fellowship knows this by now. Her attempts to convince them she's changed also come off as mighty weak. The closest she comes to offering proof that her change of heart is genuine is saying she'll give intelligence against Mordor... something that she never actually does. So in the end, Legolas doesn't come off as unreasonable for being the only one who doesn't {{easily forgive|n}} Morwen, but the Fellowship's OnlySaneMan.



* In ''WesternAnimation/MulanII'', Shang is meant to be a cold-hearted jerk for opposing the princesses' affection for the soldiers, but consider that their country and the other kingdom is at stake, and the arranged marriage could save them from the invaders. Basically, Shang is in the right when [[WhatTheHellHero telling off Mulan]] for being glad that the princess have fallen for Yao, Ling, and Chien Po, but no-one really mentions that.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MulanII'', Shang is meant to be a cold-hearted jerk for opposing the princesses' affection for the soldiers, but consider that their country and the other kingdom is at stake, and the arranged marriage could save them from the invaders.a deadly invasion, which is very important when you consider [[WesternAnimation/{{Mulan}} a previous invasion a few years back]] actually managed to reach inside TheEmperor's palace. Basically, Shang is in the right when [[WhatTheHellHero telling off Mulan]] for being glad that the princess have fallen for Yao, Ling, and Chien Po, but no-one really mentions that.


** The likely pinnacle of "why is this spell evil?" is Deathwatch. It uses "the foul sight granted by the powers of unlife" to... check the current health of people in the area, including whether they're alive in the first place. Not only is it a completely passive and harmless spell, but the most obvious utility it has is to check who's most in need of healing--apparently, triage is evil now. The designers seemingly realized that particular utility, as it found its way onto the spell list of the healer--a class which ''requires good alignment.''

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** The likely pinnacle of "why is this spell evil?" is Deathwatch. It uses "the foul sight granted by the powers of unlife" to... check the current health of people in the area, including whether they're alive in the first place. Not only is it a completely passive and harmless spell, but the most obvious utility it has is to check who's most in need of healing--apparently, triage is evil now. The designers seemingly realized that particular utility, It seemed like there was some disconnect between whoever created the lore for the spell and the designers, as it found its way onto the spell list of the healer--a class which ''requires good alignment.''

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* In ''Fanfic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith is portrayed as wrong for wanting to leave the DA, even though he's completely correct that it's turned into a martyrdom cult instead of the resistance group he signed up for. The others agree with his reasoning, but they don't see why changing the focus from defeating Voldemort to dying heroically is a problem. Instead of presenting this sudden change of priorities as an issue, the narrative acts like this martyrdom obsession is completely justified, and Zacharias is selfish for not being on board. Keep in mind all of these characters are teenagers.


** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall and understandably flips out, Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was clearly Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.

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** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall and understandably flips out, Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was clearly Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled distressed Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.


** In ''VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3'', case 4 ends with [[spoiler:Kaito being pissed at Shuichi because he trusted Oma (the TokenEvilTeammate and TheFriendNobodyLikes) over him, who has been an emotional support for Shuichi ever since Kaede's death while Oma has done nothing but spread discord, this support culminating in Gonta, who is the GentleGiant loved by everybody, executed for a murder he doesn't remember. The issue is: Oma was right, and Gonta really did commit a murder, even if he doesn't remember. Shuichi was tasked with finding out the truth and if he hadn't, everybody but Gonta would have been killed, making Kaito comes off as petty for punishing Shuichi for saving everybody in a way he disagrees with (even if it was the only way) and the rest of the game tries to make it seems like they are both being stubborn about it, while it hardly seems that way]].

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** In ''VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3'', ''VisualNovel/DanganronpaV3KillingHarmony'', case 4 ends with [[spoiler:Kaito being pissed at Shuichi because he trusted Oma (the TokenEvilTeammate and TheFriendNobodyLikes) over him, who has been an emotional support for Shuichi ever since Kaede's death while Oma has done nothing but spread discord, this support culminating in Gonta, who is the GentleGiant loved by everybody, executed for a murder he doesn't remember. The issue is: Oma was right, and Gonta really did commit a murder, even if he doesn't remember. Shuichi was tasked with finding out the truth and if he hadn't, everybody but Gonta would have been killed, making Kaito comes off as petty for punishing Shuichi for saving everybody in a way he disagrees with (even if it was the only way) and the rest of the game tries to make it seems like they are both being stubborn about it, while it hardly seems that way]].


** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall, he understandably flips out, yet Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was clearly Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.

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** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall, he mall and understandably flips out, yet Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was clearly Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.


** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall, he understandably flips out, yet Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.
** "Mickey's Dog-Gone Christmas" tries to make the audience view Mickey as being unfair to Pluto after he snaps at him, but Mickey had every reason to get angry at Pluto since the latter had tried to put the star on top of the tree against Mickey's orders, causing his hard-worked decorations to be destroyed in the process. Mickey also wasn't even being that harsh to Pluto and had simply told him to stay in his dog house.

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** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy and the triplets, but he had a rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall, he understandably flips out, yet Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was clearly Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.
** "Mickey's Dog-Gone Christmas" tries to make the audience view Mickey as being unfair to Pluto after he snaps at him, but Mickey had every reason to get angry at Pluto since the latter had tried to put the star on top of the tree against Mickey's orders, causing his hard-worked decorations to be destroyed in the process. Mickey also wasn't even being that harsh to Pluto and had simply told him to stay in his dog house.


* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' is full of oddly binding rules regarding morality. For instance, several spells are designated "Evil", usually because they use necromancy and negative energy. Players are simply informed that using these forces is considered immoral in and of itself, though in some settings no explanation is given as to ''why'' animating undead or draining lifeforce is any different from, say, beating someone to death with your bare fists (the Monk class is Lawful Good). In other settings, these spells have proper grounding explaining why they're bad, such as being linked to TheCorruption, making the user a WalkingWasteland, or being [[AgonyBeam excessively cruel to the victims]]. For example, using poison is considered an evil act. But the ''Book of Exalted Deads'' (which is basically this trope in book form) has magic substances called "ravages" which use is considered a good act... and they have ''exactly'' the same effect as poisons do (except they only affect evil creatures).

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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' is full of oddly binding rules regarding morality. For instance, several spells are designated "Evil", usually because they use necromancy and negative energy. Players are simply informed that using these forces is considered immoral in and of itself, though in some settings no explanation is given as to ''why'' animating undead or draining lifeforce is any different from, say, beating someone to death with your bare fists (the Monk class is Lawful Good). fists. (Monks, fighters, and other such classes which do are aren't considered evil, and there are plenty of such classes that require a Good alignment.) In other settings, these spells have proper grounding explaining why they're bad, such as being linked to TheCorruption, making the user a WalkingWasteland, or being [[AgonyBeam excessively cruel to the victims]]. For example, using poison is considered an evil act. But the ''Book of Exalted Deads'' (which is basically this trope in book form) has magic substances called "ravages" which use is considered a good act... and they have ''exactly'' the same effect as poisons do (except they only affect evil creatures).creatures).
** The likely pinnacle of "why is this spell evil?" is Deathwatch. It uses "the foul sight granted by the powers of unlife" to... check the current health of people in the area, including whether they're alive in the first place. Not only is it a completely passive and harmless spell, but the most obvious utility it has is to check who's most in need of healing--apparently, triage is evil now. The designers seemingly realized that particular utility, as it found its way onto the spell list of the healer--a class which ''requires good alignment.''


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* In ''Comicstrip/LittleOrphanAnnie'', Mrs. Warbucks donates large amounts of money to charity. However, she doesn't care a bit about the poor, she just wants to be praised and give a good impression. Fact remains that the poor probably wish more people were like her. Motivation aside, she does help the needy, and that's a good thing.
* In ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', Tiffany's desire to get into acting without any formal training is given the AmbitionIsEvil treatment and she's all but told that she'll fail without the proper training. This is all despite the fact that A) plenty of famous actors have had no formal training before getting into the business and B) at that point, Tiffany already had a modest professional resume.
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* ''FanFic/RosarioVampireBrightestDarkness Act III'': In chapter 13, Kurumu and the others call Mizore out on Dark's treatment of Tsukune, specifically his statement that he only saved Tsukune from the [[DemonicPossession ghoul-infected Kokoa]] so Kokoa could repay her debt to him and make amends, and ''then'' he'll kill him to prevent the ghoul from surfacing again. However, Mizore and Felucia inform them that Dark was actually pulling a "jerk act" to trick the headmaster into thinking that the Holy Lock's damage wasn't critical yet and find time to figure out a solution, and then outright accuse the others of being {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s and giving Dark too little credit. Of course, they had good reason to take Dark's words at face value, considering the fact that Dark had repeatedly stated beforehand that if he even ''suspected'' that the lock wouldn't hold, he would kill Tsukune without hesitation.
* In the beginning of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12422778/1/ This Time Around]]'', both [[Manga/AhMyGoddess Urd and Peorth]] decide to cut a specific universe off from influence from their own universe after sending a message to their alternate selves to make a move on Keiichi. Urd declares to Belldandy that unlike her, Urd is too selfish to want to share Keiichi with her and praises Belldandy's selflessness. However, by the story's own admission, Belldandy has been manipulating ''every single universe'' she can find to make sure her alternate self always marries Keiichi. Even in universes where Keiichi is already in a relationship, she'll make sure her alternate self becomes part of it and becomes his first wife; anyone else he's involved in has to be content with being his second wife. One can hardly blame Urd and Peorth for wanting just one universe where they get the man instead of Belldandy.

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* ''FanFic/RosarioVampireBrightestDarkness ''Fanfic/RosarioVampireBrightestDarkness Act III'': In chapter 13, Kurumu and the others call Mizore out on Dark's treatment of Tsukune, specifically his statement that he only saved Tsukune from the [[DemonicPossession ghoul-infected Kokoa]] so Kokoa could repay her debt to him and make amends, and ''then'' he'll kill him to prevent the ghoul from surfacing again. However, Mizore and Felucia inform them that Dark was actually pulling a "jerk act" to trick the headmaster into thinking that the Holy Lock's damage wasn't critical yet and find time to figure out a solution, and then outright accuse the others of being {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s and giving Dark too little credit. Of course, they had good reason to take Dark's words at face value, considering the fact that Dark had repeatedly stated beforehand that if he even ''suspected'' that the lock wouldn't hold, he would kill Tsukune without hesitation.
* In the beginning of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12422778/1/ This Time Around]]'', Around]]'':
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both [[Manga/AhMyGoddess Urd and Peorth]] decide to cut a specific universe off from influence from their own universe after sending a message to their alternate selves to make a move on Keiichi. Urd declares to Belldandy that unlike her, Urd is too selfish to want to share Keiichi with her and praises Belldandy's selflessness. However, by the story's own admission, Belldandy has been manipulating ''every single universe'' she can find to make sure her alternate self always marries Keiichi. Even in universes where Keiichi is already in a relationship, she'll make sure her alternate self becomes part of it and becomes his first wife; anyone else he's involved in has to be content with being his second wife. One can hardly blame Urd and Peorth for wanting just one universe where they get the man instead of Belldandy.



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* In ''Comicstrip/LittleOrphanAnnie'', Mrs. Warbucks donates large amounts of money to charity. However, she doesn't care a bit about the poor, she just wants to be praised and give a good impression. Fact remains that the poor probably wish more people were like her. Motivation aside, she does help the needy, and that's a good thing.
* In ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', Tiffany's desire to get into acting without any formal training is given the AmbitionIsEvil treatment and she's all but told that she'll fail without the proper training. This is all despite the fact that A) plenty of famous actors have had no formal training before getting into the business and B) at that point, Tiffany already had a modest professional resume.

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* In ''Comicstrip/LittleOrphanAnnie'', Mrs. Warbucks donates large amounts of money to charity. However, she doesn't care a bit ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke'', the first half has Batgirl constantly whining about the poor, she just wants to be praised and give a good impression. Fact remains that the poor probably wish more people were like her. Motivation aside, she does help the needy, and that's a good thing.
* In ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'', Tiffany's desire to get into acting without any formal training is given the AmbitionIsEvil treatment and she's all but told that she'll fail without the proper training. This is all despite
how Batman "doesn't take her seriously," ignoring the fact that A) plenty of famous actors have had no formal training before getting into every time she tries taking on Paris Franz, she nearly gets killed in the business process while Batman rescues her. His concerns, thus, are perfectly valid.
* ''WesternAnimation/MickeysTwiceUponAChristmas'':
** "Donald's Gift" tries to portray Donald as a Christmas-hating jerk for not wanting to go to the mall with Daisy
and B) at that point, Tiffany already the triplets, but he had a modest professional resume.rough day and just wants a day to relax, yet Daisy refuses to let him do so. Even worse, after he goes through one too many annoyances at the mall, he understandably flips out, yet Daisy and the triplets ''disown'' him for it, [[NeverMyFault even though it was Daisy's fault for bringing a stress-filled Donald to the mall against his will]]. All he just wanted was a break from the traditions for one day.
** "Mickey's Dog-Gone Christmas" tries to make the audience view Mickey as being unfair to Pluto after he snaps at him, but Mickey had every reason to get angry at Pluto since the latter had tried to put the star on top of the tree against Mickey's orders, causing his hard-worked decorations to be destroyed in the process. Mickey also wasn't even being that harsh to Pluto and had simply told him to stay in his dog house.
* In ''WesternAnimation/MulanII'', Shang is meant to be a cold-hearted jerk for opposing the princesses' affection for the soldiers, but consider that their country and the other kingdom is at stake, and the arranged marriage could save them from the invaders. Basically, Shang is in the right when [[WhatTheHellHero telling off Mulan]] for being glad that the princess have fallen for Yao, Ling, and Chien Po, but no-one really mentions that.



* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' is full of oddly binding rules regarding morality. For instance, several spells are designated "Evil," usually because they use necromancy and negative energy. Players are simply informed that using these forces is considered immoral in and of itself, though in some settings no explanation is given as to ''why'' animating undead or draining lifeforce is any different from, say, beating someone to death with your bare fists (the Monk class is Lawful Good).
** In other settings, these spells have proper grounding explaining why they're bad, such as being linked to TheCorruption, making the user a WalkingWasteland, or being [[AgonyBeam excessively cruel to the victims]].
** For example, using poison is considered an evil act. But the Book Of Exalted Deads (which is basically this trope in book form) has a magic substance called "ravages" which is considered a good act... and it has ''exactly'' the same effect as poisons do.

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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' is full of oddly binding rules regarding morality. For instance, several spells are designated "Evil," "Evil", usually because they use necromancy and negative energy. Players are simply informed that using these forces is considered immoral in and of itself, though in some settings no explanation is given as to ''why'' animating undead or draining lifeforce is any different from, say, beating someone to death with your bare fists (the Monk class is Lawful Good).
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Good). In other settings, these spells have proper grounding explaining why they're bad, such as being linked to TheCorruption, making the user a WalkingWasteland, or being [[AgonyBeam excessively cruel to the victims]].
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victims]]. For example, using poison is considered an evil act. But the Book Of ''Book of Exalted Deads Deads'' (which is basically this trope in book form) has a magic substance substances called "ravages" which use is considered a good act... and it has they have ''exactly'' the same effect as poisons do.do (except they only affect evil creatures).



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* In ''WebComic/TreadingGround'', protagonist Nate was cast as a repressed asshole by his and Rose's circle of friends for not giving in to Rose's advances, up to and including Rose stripping in front of him. Somehow lost in all of this is that [[JailBait Rose was 17]] and Nate was in his 20s. And the fact that Rose agreed to [[JailBaitWait wait until she was 18]] before they pursued anything more than JustFriends (an agreement they came to when she was 16). It was heavily implied early on that Nate came up with that pact hoping Rose would get tired of waiting and move on to someone closer to her age, but that line of thought seemed to have been dropped by the end. Possible intentional MoralDissonance at work.
** It was brought up in-story that the age of consent in their state (South Carolina) is 16, and that neither Rose nor Nate - [[SelectiveObliviousness possibly intentionally on his part]] - were aware of this. Which still leaves the ridiculous idea that Nate was a jerk for not wanting to sleep with a teenager (even one as willing as Rose).
** Even if she was his age, there would still be nothing at all wrong with the refusal.
* ''WebComic/DominicDeegan'' refers to Alterism as unnatural and Alterists as creepy. We don't actually see any Alterists save for one student doing some amateur work on himself and one hairdresser who only used the magic to style hair and we are never shown how Alterism is any more unnatural than pumping your head full of "ecomancy", the "natural" equivalent, beyond some bad hairdos. This was eventually addressed in one arc where Dominic and Luna admitted their dislikes stem from {{Freudian Excuse}}s and alterism is show to be akin to surgery, though with some more bizarre possibilities. It's still generally considered "wrong" in-verse due to a bad rap from its use by people more for physical enhancement than medical treatment.
** It was later revealed that a 'prank' as a young student resulted in him having over a week of visions of the worst horrors that could go wrong with Alterism FROM THE VICTIM'S PERSPECTIVE. So Dominic's treating it as something horrible is a result of not being able to get over that traumatic incident. Otherwise it doesn't seem to be treated as being that wrong (and allowed a trans female character to successfully undergo physical transition and be happy). Which...means it's actually an IN UNIVERSE example, albeit an Anvilicious one.

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* In ''WebComic/TreadingGround'', ''Webcomic/TreadingGround'', protagonist Nate was cast as a repressed asshole by his and Rose's circle of friends for not giving in to Rose's advances, up to and including Rose stripping in front of him. Somehow lost in all of this is that [[JailBait Rose was 17]] and Nate was in his 20s. And the fact that Rose agreed to [[JailBaitWait wait until she was 18]] before they pursued anything more than JustFriends (an agreement they came to when she was 16). It was heavily implied early on that Nate came up with that pact hoping Rose would get tired of waiting and move on to someone closer to her age, but that line of thought seemed to have been dropped by the end. Possible intentional MoralDissonance at work.
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work. It was brought up in-story that the age of consent in their state (South Carolina) is 16, and that neither Rose nor Nate - -- [[SelectiveObliviousness possibly intentionally on his part]] - -- were aware of this. Which still leaves the ridiculous idea that Nate was a jerk for not wanting to sleep with a teenager (even one as willing as Rose).
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Rose). Even if she was his age, there would still be nothing at all wrong with the refusal.
* ''WebComic/DominicDeegan'' ''Webcomic/DominicDeegan'' refers to Alterism as unnatural and Alterists as creepy. We don't actually see any Alterists save for one student doing some amateur work on himself and one hairdresser who only used the magic to style hair and we are never shown how Alterism is any more unnatural than pumping your head full of "ecomancy", the "natural" equivalent, beyond some bad hairdos. This was eventually addressed in one arc where Dominic and Luna admitted their dislikes stem from {{Freudian Excuse}}s and alterism is show to be akin to surgery, though with some more bizarre possibilities. It's still generally considered "wrong" in-verse due to a bad rap from its use by people more for physical enhancement than medical treatment. \n** It was later revealed that a 'prank' "prank" as a young student resulted in him having over a week of visions of the worst horrors that could go wrong with Alterism FROM THE VICTIM'S PERSPECTIVE. So Dominic's treating it as something horrible is a result of not being able to get over that traumatic incident. Otherwise it doesn't seem to be treated as being that wrong (and allowed a trans female character to successfully undergo physical transition and be happy). Which... means it's actually an IN UNIVERSE IN-UNIVERSE example, albeit an Anvilicious one.

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