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* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty:'' Bird Person advises Morty to keep indulging Rick's sociopathic behavior because he suffers from serious depression and most of his worst behaviors stem from his self-loathing rather than malice or apathy towards others.
* ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold:'' In the Thanksgiving special, Helga is painted as an ungrateful brat for not being thankful for anything. The episode ends with her learning to be thankful for her family, even though throughout the series, Bob ignores Helga and puts Olga on a pedestal and Miriam is a G-Rated alcoholic that often neglects her.


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* ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold:'' In the Thanksgiving special, Helga is painted as an ungrateful brat for not being thankful for anything. The episode ends with her learning to be thankful for her family, even though throughout the series, Bob ignores Helga and puts Olga on a pedestal and Miriam is a G-Rated alcoholic that often neglects her.
* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty:'' Bird Person advises Morty to keep indulging Rick's sociopathic behavior because he suffers from serious depression and most of his worst behaviors stem from his self-loathing rather than malice or apathy towards others.
* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': At the end of "Doubling Down", not only does Heidi accept Cartman's abuse, but has began to adopt his personality.
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* In ''Literature/TouchingSpiritBear'', One of the things Cole learns on the island is to forgive. He forgives his dad for abusing him, since he was abused himself and knew nothing but cruelty.
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* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'': Heizo Hattori's actions during the Tiger Scroll Murder Case are this. When Heiji gets a little too careless during the investigation, he punches and belittles him. It is then later revealed that it was all a BatmanGambit to enrage Heiji enough to act as bait for the culprit, which could have very well killed him if there were a SpannerInTheWorks. His actions are in no way considered reprehensible by the cast, and even his underlings in the Osaka Police Department considered it an act of ToughLove.

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* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'': ''Manga/CaseClosed'': Heizo Hattori's actions during the Tiger Scroll Murder Case are this. When Heiji gets a little too careless during the investigation, he punches and belittles him. It is then later revealed that it was all a BatmanGambit to enrage Heiji enough to act as bait for the culprit, which could have very well killed him if there were a SpannerInTheWorks. His actions are in no way considered reprehensible by the cast, and even his underlings in the Osaka Police Department considered it an act of ToughLove.
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* ''Heavily'' [[DefiedTrope defied]] in the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. After Tommy finally gets the upper hand on Dream, the man who exiled him from his home, trapped him alone on a deserted beach, physically and psychologically abused him for weeks, and [[ForcedToWatch nearly murdered his best friend in front of him]], Dream tells Tommy that he ''knows'' he won't kill him, since they're such "[[StockholmSyndrome good friends]]". Tommy is having absolutely ''none'' of this, and forces Dream to hand over all of his gear ([[IronicEcho using the same line Dream would use when forcing Tommy to give up his armor and tools every day during exile]]), backs him into a corner, and proceeds to take ''two'' of his three lives, and would have [[KilledOffForReal killed him off for real]] if Dream hadn't told him about his ability to bring people back from the dead.
-->'''Tommy:''' Dream, you have caused me nothing but pain. And now... ''[[PreMortemOneLiner Now it's your turn]].''

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* ''Heavily'' [[DefiedTrope defied]] in the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. After [[spoiler:After Tommy finally gets the upper hand on Dream, the man who exiled him from his home, trapped him alone on a deserted beach, physically and psychologically abused him for weeks, and [[ForcedToWatch nearly murdered his best friend in front of him]], Dream tells Tommy that he ''knows'' he won't kill him, since they're such "[[StockholmSyndrome good friends]]". Tommy is having absolutely ''none'' of this, and forces Dream to hand over all of his gear ([[IronicEcho using the same line Dream would use when forcing Tommy to give up his armor and tools every day during exile]]), backs him into a corner, and proceeds to take ''two'' of his three lives, and would have [[KilledOffForReal killed him off for real]] if Dream hadn't told him about his ability to bring people back from the dead.
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-->'''Tommy:''' Dream, [[spoiler:Dream, you have caused me nothing but pain. And now... ''[[PreMortemOneLiner Now it's your turn]].'''']]
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* ''Heavily'' [[DefiedTrope defied]] in the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. After Tommy finally gets the upper hand on Dream, the man who exiled him from his home, trapped him alone on a deserted beach, physically and psychologically abused him for weeks, and [[ForcedToWatch nearly murdered his best friend in front of him]], Dream tells Tommy that he ''knows'' he won't kill him, since they're such good friends. Tommy is having absolutely ''none'' of this, and forces Dream to hand over all of his gear ([[IronicEcho using the same line Dream would use when forcing Tommy to give up his armor and tools every day during exile]]), backs him into a corner, and proceeds to take ''two'' of his three lives, and would have [[KilledOffForReal killed him off for real]] if Dream hadn't told him about his ability to bring people back from the dead.

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* ''Heavily'' [[DefiedTrope defied]] in the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. After Tommy finally gets the upper hand on Dream, the man who exiled him from his home, trapped him alone on a deserted beach, physically and psychologically abused him for weeks, and [[ForcedToWatch nearly murdered his best friend in front of him]], Dream tells Tommy that he ''knows'' he won't kill him, since they're such "[[StockholmSyndrome good friends.friends]]". Tommy is having absolutely ''none'' of this, and forces Dream to hand over all of his gear ([[IronicEcho using the same line Dream would use when forcing Tommy to give up his armor and tools every day during exile]]), backs him into a corner, and proceeds to take ''two'' of his three lives, and would have [[KilledOffForReal killed him off for real]] if Dream hadn't told him about his ability to bring people back from the dead.
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* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty:'' Bird Person advises Morty to keep indulging Rick's sociopathic behavior because he suffers from serious depression.

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* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty:'' Bird Person advises Morty to keep indulging Rick's sociopathic behavior because he suffers from serious depression.depression and most of his worst behaviors stem from his self-loathing rather than malice or apathy towards others.
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'': Tidus harbors resentment towards Jecht because he often verbally abused him (in particular, always calling him a "[[CatchphraseInsult crybaby]]"). However, the game later reveals that it was all a [[spoiler: BatmanGambit to give Tidus the motivation to kill him as Sin]].

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'': Tidus harbors resentment towards Jecht because he often verbally abused him (in particular, always calling him a "[[CatchphraseInsult crybaby]]"). However, the game later reveals that it was all a [[spoiler: BatmanGambit lot of overcompensating on Jecht's part to give keep Tidus at a distance for his own good; Jecht thought of himself as a pretty worthless person and figured there was no way he could be a ''good'' father, so he didn't want Tidus to grow up emulating him and thought it would be for the motivation to kill best that Tidus resent him as Sin]].and try to be ''better'' than his crap dad]].
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* ''Heavily'' [[DefiedTrope defied]] in the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. After Tommy finally gets the upper hand on Dream, the man who exiled him from his home, trapped him alone on a deserted beach, physically and psychologically abused him for weeks, and [[ForcedToWatch nearly murdered his best friend in front of him]], Dream tells Tommy that he ''knows'' he won't kill him, since they're such good friends. Tommy is having absolutely ''none'' of this, and forces Dream to hand over all of his gear ([[IronicEcho using the same line Dream would use when forcing Tommy to give up his armor and tools every day during exile]]), backs him into a corner, and proceeds to take ''two'' of his three lives, and would have [[KilledOffForReal killed him off for real]] if Dream hadn't told him about his ability to bring people back from the dead.
-->'''Tommy:''' Dream, you have caused me nothing but pain. And now... ''[[PreMortemOneLiner Now it's your turn]].''
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* ''ComicBook/RobinSeries'': Any time Tim so much as questions his parents' neglect and abuse of him he feels like he's overstepped and is ashamed of it, and right before Jack's death their relationship is suddenly much improved after Jack follows through for once on a few of his promises to Tim. Tim's memories of his parents after their respective murders tends to be rather rose tinted, as he loved them and accepted that they were flawed people.
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* The abuser was [[HonorThyParent a parent or other family member]] who was [[ParentsAsPeople flawed but trying their best]].
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Compare TroubledAbuser, InformedWrongness, and TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong.

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TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong, and NoSympathyForGrudgeholders.
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Sometimes, abusers or bullies are depicted as the worst kind of scum. Usually, their victim is justified in their dislike for them. However, there are media in which the victim is portrayed as being wrong for their resentment by the creator and/or called out for it for some reason by another character; eventually, the victim may learn to forgive and respect the victimizer.

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Sometimes, abusers or bullies are depicted as the worst kind of scum. Usually, their victim is justified in their dislike for them. However, there are media in which the victim is portrayed by the creator as being wrong for their resentment by the creator and/or is called out for it for some reason by another character; eventually, the victim may learn to forgive and respect the victimizer.
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Sometimes, abusers or bullies are depicted as the worst kind of scum. Usually, their victim is justified in their dislike for them. However, there are times when the victim not only is wrong for their resentment, but they eventually learn to forgive and respect them.

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Sometimes, abusers or bullies are depicted as the worst kind of scum. Usually, their victim is justified in their dislike for them. However, there are times when media in which the victim not only is portrayed as being wrong for their resentment, but they eventually resentment by the creator and/or called out for it for some reason by another character; eventually, the victim may learn to forgive and respect them.
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* ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': In season 9, it is revealed that Adam's father, Charles, had been verbally and physically to Adam, his brother and their mother; that Adam's brother had left their home (in Arizona) because of it; and, later, Adam had threatened to kill Charles if he ever hurt his mother again. Now grown & living in NYC, Adam has moved Charles, who is suffering from Alzheimer's, to a nearby facility so he can keep an eye on him. In the course of his visits, Adam learns thru Charles reverting to his own childhood that he and *his* brother had been abused by their father as well. When Mac asks Adam why he visits the man, Adam answers, "Because I'm his son," and explains that he feels no emotion towards his father and is concerned by that. Choked up and on the verge of tears he says, "You're supposed to honor your parents. What does that say about me as a person?" Mac tenderly replies, "Looks like you're feeling something now."

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* ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': In season 9, it is revealed that Adam's father, Charles, had been verbally and physically abusive to Adam, his brother and their mother; that Adam's brother had left their home (in Arizona) because of it; and, later, Adam had threatened to kill Charles if he ever hurt his mother again. Now grown & living in NYC, Adam has moved Charles, who is suffering from Alzheimer's, to a nearby facility so he can keep an eye on him. In the course of his visits, Adam learns thru Charles reverting to his own childhood that he and *his* brother had been abused by their father as well. When Mac asks Adam why he visits the man, Adam answers, "Because I'm his son," and explains that he feels no emotion towards his father and is concerned by that. Choked up and on the verge of tears he says, "You're supposed to honor your parents. What does that say about me as a person?" Mac tenderly replies, "Looks like you're feeling something now."
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* ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': In season 9, it is revealed that Adam's father, Charles, had been verbally and physically to Adam, his brother and their mother; that Adam's brother had left their home (in Arizona) because of it; and, later, Adam had threatened to kill Charles if he ever hurt his mother again. Now grown & living in NYC, Adam has moved Charles, who is suffering from Alzheimer's, to a nearby facility so he can keep an eye on him. In the course of his visits, Adam learns thru Charles reverting to his own childhood that he and *his* brother had been abused by their father as well. When Mac asks Adam why he visits the man, Adam answers, "Because I'm his son," and explains that he feels no emotion towards his father and is concerned by that. Choked up and on the verge of tears he says, "You're supposed to honor your parents. What does that say about me as a person?" Mac tenderly replies, "Looks like you're feeling something now."
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* ''Manga/FoodWars'': Azami Nakiri submitted his daughter Erina to a TrainingFromHell to refine her God Tongue, which including verbally and physically abusing her, as well as isolating her from everyone else so she would have no friends or people to rely on. However, at the conclusion of the Central arc, upon seeing the reasons for his actions, Erina quietly thanks her father for everything he did for her sake and she apparently doesn't hold grudges against him.

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* ''Manga/FoodWars'': Azami Nakiri submitted his daughter Erina to a TrainingFromHell to refine her God Tongue, which including included verbally and physically abusing her, as well as isolating her from everyone else so she would have no friends or people to rely on. However, at the conclusion of the Central arc, upon seeing the reasons for his actions, Erina quietly thanks her father for everything he did for her sake and she apparently doesn't hold grudges against him.
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* In volume 6 of ''Webcomic/EnnuiGo'', it's revealed that Izzy and Adelie placed their [[AbusiveParents abusive]], [[AddledAddict drug-addicted]] mother into an expensive hospital when she got older and needed more care. This, despite the fact that she tried to ''[[OffingTheOffspring kill them]]'' at some point in their youth. Downplayed in that, once Izzy finally visits her, she admits that she doesn't forgive her for all the pain she caused her and her sister but feels no actual resentment toward her either; she just needs to let her mother go in order to move on with her life.
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** After which, [[spoiler: God brings down the spirit of Bob's father so they could have a potential heart-to-heart, which [[RealMenHateAffection they only manage to do by relating it to their favorite Hockey team]]]].

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** After which, [[spoiler: God brings down the spirit of Bob's father so they could have a potential heart-to-heart, which [[RealMenHateAffection they only manage to do by relating it to their favorite Hockey team]]]].in hockey terms]]]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': "Seahorse Seashell Party" has Meg give her family a big ReasonYouSuckSpeech after one act of abuse too many. This leads to them going at each other's throats. Meg learns that her abuse was the only thing keeping her family from falling apart, so she decides to continue putting up with them.

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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': "Seahorse Seashell Party" has Meg give her family a big ReasonYouSuckSpeech after one act of abuse too many. This leads to them going at each other's throats. Meg learns that her abuse was the only thing keeping her family from falling apart, [[StatusQuoIsGod so she decides to continue putting up with them.them]].
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** After which, [[spoiler: God brings down the spirit of Bob's father so they could have a potential heart-to-heart, which [[RealMenHateAffection they only manage to do by relating it to their favorite Hockey team]]]].
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* Played with in ''Series/{{Succession}}''. Logan is a vitriolic, narcissistic bully whose only response when Kendall tells him he loves him is to insult him for being stupid, and who was immensely neglectful of his kids. However, Logan also raised them in the height of luxury, as a multi-billionaire, and the show zigzags between criticising his children for hurting their dad when he's in a vulnerable state, especially as it's made clear they'd be nowhere without him and have largely coasted by on their family name, ''and'' Logan himself had an awful upbringing, including brutal physical abuse. Nevertheless, he's still shown as a total jerk, and his kids are also presented as deeply hurt by his treatment.
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* ''Film/TheSavages'': While we never find out exactly how, dad Lenny was abusive to siblings Jon and Wendy, which left them with clear emotional scars (and it's heavily implied that there was at least some form of physical abuse). However, the film is about the siblings learning that they ''should'' care for Lenny because it's the right thing to do, and they need to be better than him.


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* In ''Literature/OrdinaryPeople'' (and only in the book; the film has no such moment), Conrad concludes that Beth tried her best and that he needs to forgive her, even though Beth is an unrepentant narcissist.


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* ''Series/BrooklynNineNine'': Jake's neglectful dad, who has obsessively slept around with almost everybody in Jake and his mom Karen's life, returns and Jake's parents gets back together. He tries to blackmail him into breaking up with her, but this ultimately fails and concludes in an {{Aesop}} that Jake should trust his mom to make her own mistakes...and support his parents to have a happy relationship. This overlooks how traumatic the experience was for Jake himself.
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* ''Film/{{Whiplash}}'': Andrew does this to his teacher Fletcher, but the effects of this trope are discussed multiple times. Fletcher mistreats every single one of his students, verbally berates and bullies them, picks on their insecurities, and hits them (including throwing things at them). He also drove one of his past students [[DrivenToSuicide to suicide.]] However, Andrew actually agrees with Fletcher's perspective and ends up giving in to Fletcher's abuse, supporting Fletcher's belief that he needs to push his most dedicated students, and ends up producing an amazing performance. Depending on your perspective, this is a straight example of this trope (as Fletcher and Andrew are both finally happy), or an EsotericHappyEnding (given the potentially horrific consequences of his treatment).


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* Played surprisingly straight in ''Series/{{Veep}}''. Selina's mother, also named Catherine, is presented before her death as a passive-aggressive narcissistic bully who can't think of a single good thing to say about her daughter, while her father was a sleazy politician, who nevertheless adored Selina and made her feel loved. However, Season 7 has Selina discover that her mother actually bailed out her father multiple times, who left them on the brink of financial ruin multiple times and cheated constantly. This conveniently handwaves how Catherine Snr's behavior has been extremely abusive before her death.
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* ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'': Azami Nakiri submitted his daughter Erina to a TrainingFromHell to refine her God Tongue, which including verbally and physically abusing her, as well as isolating her from everyone else so she would have no friends or people to rely on. However, at the conclusion of the Central arc, upon seeing the reasons for his actions, Erina quietly thanks her father for everything he did for her sake and she apparently doesn't hold grudges against him.

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* ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'': ''Manga/FoodWars'': Azami Nakiri submitted his daughter Erina to a TrainingFromHell to refine her God Tongue, which including verbally and physically abusing her, as well as isolating her from everyone else so she would have no friends or people to rely on. However, at the conclusion of the Central arc, upon seeing the reasons for his actions, Erina quietly thanks her father for everything he did for her sake and she apparently doesn't hold grudges against him.
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A sub-page of FamilyUnfriendlyAesop. Compare TroubledAbuser, InformedWrongness, and TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong.

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A sub-page of FamilyUnfriendlyAesop. Compare TroubledAbuser, InformedWrongness, and TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong.
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* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Ashley openly recognizes that her father was abusive toward her, and even calls him a "fucker" and an "outright psychopath," but says he treated her that way because he saw her potential and believes it made her better than her classmates. Saya, who had a poor relationship with her own father, is flabbergasted by this attitude.

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* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Ashley openly recognizes that her father was abusive toward her, and even calls him a "fucker" and an "outright psychopath," but says he treated her that way because he saw her potential and believes it made her better than her classmates. Saya, who had a poor relationship with her own father, is flabbergasted by this attitude. [[spoiler:Of course, this is complicated by the revelation in the final trial that that Ashley killed her father.]]
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* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia:'' Endeavor's redemption arc plays with this. On the one hand, Fuyumi accepts Endeavor's redemption and just wants the Todoroki family to be whole again, but Natsuo isn't as quick to forgive him and gives him a ReasonYouSuckSpeech. Shouto, who arguably suffered the most by his hands, takes the neutral ground. He doesn't quite forgive him for what he had done, but he acknowledges that he's trying to improve himself. In the end, Endeavor [[spoiler:says that it's fine for his children to not forgive him, and arranges for them to live in a separate house, both for their safety and because he acknowledges that it would be best for him to remove himself from the picture]].

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* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia:'' Endeavor's redemption arc plays with this. On the one hand, Fuyumi accepts Endeavor's redemption and just wants the Todoroki family to be whole again, but Natsuo isn't as quick to forgive him and gives him a ReasonYouSuckSpeech. Shouto, Shoto, who arguably suffered the most by his hands, takes the neutral ground. He doesn't quite forgive him for what he had done, but he acknowledges that he's trying to improve himself. In the end, Endeavor [[spoiler:says that it's fine for his children to not forgive him, and arranges for them to live in a separate house, both for their safety and because he acknowledges that it would be best for him to remove himself from the picture]].
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* ''Manga/AssassinationClassroom'' reveals that Nagisa's mother was horribly abusive towards him. However, their subplot ends with Nagisa forgiving her and her being a KarmaHoudini.

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* ''Manga/AssassinationClassroom'' reveals that Nagisa's mother was horribly abusive towards him.him, she doesn't care what Nagisa thinks, wants or needs, if he doesn't achieve what she didn't achieve in her whole life. However, their subplot ends with Nagisa forgiving her and her being a KarmaHoudini.
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* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Ashley openly recognizes that her father was abusive toward her, and even calls him a "fucker" and an "outright psychopath," but says he treated her that way because he saw her potential and believes it made her better than her classmates. [[TheProtagonist Saya]], who had a poor relationship with her own father, is flabbergasted by this attitude.

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* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Ashley openly recognizes that her father was abusive toward her, and even calls him a "fucker" and an "outright psychopath," but says he treated her that way because he saw her potential and believes it made her better than her classmates. [[TheProtagonist Saya]], Saya, who had a poor relationship with her own father, is flabbergasted by this attitude.

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