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* ''Literature/ARoomWithAView'' contains a gender-flipped example. Progressive and unconventional George Emerson is initially the Veronica; he kisses Lucy passionately without any of the "proper" courtship that Cecil Vyse (the initial Betty) goes through. However, George turns out to be the suitor who is far more suited to Lucy and more considerate of what ''she'' wants.
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* As the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has many prospect love triangles, more than one BettyAndVeronica situation can be twisted around:
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* CharacterDevelopment (see HourglassPlot): Through character development, the inaccessible, TallDarkAndSnarky love interest becomes a sweet pile of cuteness, and the viewers discover that the [[GirlNextDoor Boy Next Door]] and the NiceGirl TookALevelInBadass and possibly in [[TookALevelInJerkass meanness]].
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* CharacterDevelopment (see HourglassPlot): Through character development, the inaccessible, TallDarkAndSnarky love interest becomes a sweet pile of cuteness, and the viewers discover that the [[GirlNextDoor Boy Next Door]] GirlNextDoor and the NiceGirl NiceGuy TookALevelInBadass and possibly in [[TookALevelInJerkass meanness]].
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* In ''FanFic/{{Shatterheart}}'': Syaoran, the [[ShrinkingViolet sweet but timid]] {{Hikikomori}} is the Betty and Fai the IceQueen BrokenBird. But Syaoran is just as bitter as Fai and far more sexually forward while Fai has known Kurogane from the beginning of their journey.
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* ''Film/BasicInstinct'': Good girl Dr. Beth Garner (whose name is eerily similar to Betty) is strongly implied to be just as murderous as the evil Catherine (Veronica).
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* ''Series/GeneralHospital''. Karen, the supposed "Betty", spent months flitting between two guys (who were themselves this trope to her), while the flirtatious Brenda (the "Veronica") slept with only one.
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* ''Series/GeneralHospital''. Karen, the supposed "Betty", spent months flitting between two guys (who were themselves this trope to her), while the flirtatious Brenda (the "Veronica") slept with only one. Ten years later, Sage (the Veronica) was shown to have genuine feelings for Dillon (the Archie), despite her manipulative and conniving ways, while Georgie (the Betty) grew increasingly nasty and shrill (in all fairness, this was due to her frustration with Sage's relentless attempts at interfering in hers and Dillon's relationship).
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* As the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has many prospect love triangles, more than one BettyAndVeronica situation can be twisted around:
** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', while Chrom's ImpliedLoveInterest Sumia is an excellent example of a Betty, the supposed Veronica aka the Female Avatar is a blend of both Veronica and Betty. The Veronica part comes from her being being an amnesiac MysteriousWaif and potentially having rather refined looks (if the player chooses the more aloof-looking Build 3), while the Betty part comes from here TeamMom traits and her potentially super child-like appearance (if the very cutesy Build 2 is chosen, or the more average Build 1 is "spiced up" with GirlishPigtails)
** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Female Avatar has her ChildhoodFriend[=/=]BattleButler Jakob as a potential Betty and the ChickMagnet {{ninja}} Kaze as her Veronica... or would, if Jakob wasn't a male {{Tsundere}} and kind of a JerkAss to anyone but her, and if Kaze wasn't a pretty much perfect NiceGuy save for being from another land.
** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', while Chrom's ImpliedLoveInterest Sumia is an excellent example of a Betty, the supposed Veronica aka the Female Avatar is a blend of both Veronica and Betty. The Veronica part comes from her being being an amnesiac MysteriousWaif and potentially having rather refined looks (if the player chooses the more aloof-looking Build 3), while the Betty part comes from here TeamMom traits and her potentially super child-like appearance (if the very cutesy Build 2 is chosen, or the more average Build 1 is "spiced up" with GirlishPigtails)
** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Female Avatar has her ChildhoodFriend[=/=]BattleButler Jakob as a potential Betty and the ChickMagnet {{ninja}} Kaze as her Veronica... or would, if Jakob wasn't a male {{Tsundere}} and kind of a JerkAss to anyone but her, and if Kaze wasn't a pretty much perfect NiceGuy save for being from another land.
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* In ''VisualNovel/SchoolDays'', Sekai Saionji seems to be a straightforward Veronica (middle-class, a GenkiGirl, very straightforward in her thoughts), while Kotonoha Katsura looks like quite the Betty (rich but also humble, soft-spoken and shy, very booksmart). However, depending on how you play the original game and/or the UpdatedRerelease, either of them can go ''dangerously'' over the edge for one or another reason, often involving quite the BreakTheCutie. On one hand, Sekai can [[spoiler: murder Makoto after a huge misunderstanding caused by something he ''really'' shouldn't have said]] (both games), [[spoiler: go mad after being to broken - then push Kotonoha over a train rail right after she and Makoto get together (with different results)]] (re-release) or [[spoiler: stab Kotonoha and leave her to bleed to death]] (re-release). On the other, Kotonoha can [[spoiler: use her sexuality to blackmail Makoto into leaving Sekai]] (both), [[spoiler: snap after being bullied into insanity by Sekai's "friends" and give Sekai a SlashedThroat in broad daylight]] (both), or [[spoiler: go the SpurnedIntoSuicide way in front of ''both'' Sekai and Makoto via throwing herself off a flat building]] (both).
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* Series/FamilyTies, when Alex develops feelings for Marty, a music student he's tutoring, despite having a long time girlfriend, Lauren. However, despite being the "other woman", shy, awkward, [[HollywoodHomely plain]] Marty is as much as a "Betty" as Lauren is, if not more so--while by no means a bad person, Lauren is the more conventionally attractive of the two, a characteristic often given to "Veronicas".
* ''Series/GeneralHospital''. Karen, the supposed "Betty", spent months flitting between two guys (who were themselves this trope to her), while the flirtatious Brenda (the "Veronica") slept with only one.
* ''Series/GeneralHospital''. Karen, the supposed "Betty", spent months flitting between two guys (who were themselves this trope to her), while the flirtatious Brenda (the "Veronica") slept with only one.
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* In ''VisualNovel/SchoolDays'', Sekai Saionji seems to be a straightforward Veronica (middle-class, a GenkiGirl, very straightforward in her thoughts), while Kotonoha Katsura looks like quite the Betty (rich but also humble, soft-spoken and shy, very booksmart). However, depending on how you play the original game and/or the UpdatedRerelease, either of them can go ''dangerously'' over the edge for one or another reason, often involving quite the BreakTheCutie. On one hand, Sekai can [[spoiler: murder Makoto after a huge misunderstanding caused by something he ''really'' shouldn't have said]] (both games), [[spoiler: go mad after being to broken - then push Kotonoha over a train rail right after she and Makoto get together (with different results)]] (re-release) or [[spoiler: stab Kotonoha and leave her to bleed to death]] (re-release). On the other, Kotonoha can [[spoiler: use her sexuality to blackmail Makoto into leaving Sekai]] (both), [[spoiler: snap after being bullied into insanity by Sekai's "friends" and give Sekai a SlashedThroat in broad daylight]] (both), or [[spoiler: go the SpurnedIntoSuicide way in front of ''both'' Sekai and Makoto via throwing herself off a flat building]] (both).
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* In ''VisualNovel/SchoolDays'', Sekai Saionji seems to be a straightforward Veronica (middle-class, a GenkiGirl, very straightforward in her thoughts), while Kotonoha Katsura looks like quite the Betty (rich but also humble, soft-spoken and shy, very booksmart). However, depending on how you play the original game and/or the UpdatedRerelease, either of them can go ''dangerously'' over the edge for one or another reason, often involving quite the BreakTheCutie. On one hand, Sekai can [[spoiler: murder Makoto after a huge misunderstanding caused by something he ''really'' shouldn't have said]] (both games), [[spoiler: go mad after being to broken - then push Kotonoha over a train rail right after she and Makoto get together (with different results)]] (re-release) or [[spoiler: stab Kotonoha and leave her to bleed to death]] (re-release). On the other, Kotonoha can [[spoiler: use her sexuality to blackmail Makoto into leaving Sekai]] (both), [[spoiler: snap after being bullied into insanity by Sekai's "friends" and give Sekai a SlashedThroat in broad daylight]] (both), or [[spoiler: go the SpurnedIntoSuicide way in front of ''both'' Sekai and Makoto via throwing herself off a flat building]] (both).
* In TheReveal of [=ClockUp=]'s ''Euphoria'', [[spoiler: Kanae is the ''real'' EvilGenius mastermind behind the plot, who had been giving Keisuke FakeMemories; and Nemu, made out to be the cold AlphaBitch in the simulations, is Keisuke's ''real'' and sweet ChildhoodFriend.]]
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* In ''VisualNovel/SchoolDays'', Sekai Saionji seems to be a straightforward Veronica (middle-class, a GenkiGirl, very straightforward in her thoughts), while Kotonoha Katsura looks like quite the Betty (rich but also humble, soft-spoken and shy, very booksmart). However, depending on how you play the original game and/or the UpdatedRerelease, either of them can go ''dangerously'' over the edge for one or another reason, often involving quite the BreakTheCutie. On one hand, Sekai can [[spoiler: murder Makoto after a huge misunderstanding caused by something he ''really'' shouldn't have said]] (both games), [[spoiler: go mad after being to broken - then push Kotonoha over a train rail right after she and Makoto get together (with different results)]] (re-release) or [[spoiler: stab Kotonoha and leave her to bleed to death]] (re-release). On the other, Kotonoha can [[spoiler: use her sexuality to blackmail Makoto into leaving Sekai]] (both), [[spoiler: snap after being bullied into insanity by Sekai's "friends" and give Sekai a SlashedThroat in broad daylight]] (both), or [[spoiler: go the SpurnedIntoSuicide way in front of ''both'' Sekai and Makoto via throwing herself off a flat building]] (both).
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* ComicBook/LoisLane and ComicBook/LanaLang have switched the roles of Betty and Veronica to Franchise/{{Superman}} over the years.
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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', you may guess from the manual that the miniskirted, tank-punching terrorist Tifa is the Veronica, while the beautiful flower girl dressed all in pink is Betty. Enjoy it when Tifa's introduced in a semi-domestic setting talking about her history as Cloud's [[GirlNextDoor next-door neighbour]], and when Aeris's introduced in a sequence where she laughs at Cloud for accidentally making a sexual DoubleEntendre before getting him to take her to the city's red light district.
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* ''Series/{{BuffytheVampireSlayer}}'' & ''Series/{{Angel}}'': Gender-flipped- [[ByronicHero Angel]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spike]] in their love triangle with [[ActionGirl Buffy]]. Angel seems to have personality of a Betty while Spike the personality of a Veronica, but as it turns out Spike is Betty since he's a self-proclaimed ("attainable") fool for love while Angel is the mysterious and "unattainable" Veronica. Buffy goes back-and-forth on them many times.
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* ''Series/{{BuffytheVampireSlayer}}'' ''Series/{{Buffy the Vampire Slayer}}'' & ''Series/{{Angel}}'': Gender-flipped- [[ByronicHero Angel]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spike]] in their love triangle with [[ActionGirl Buffy]]. Angel seems to have personality of a Betty while Spike the personality of a Veronica, but as it turns out Spike is Betty since he's a self-proclaimed ("attainable") fool for love while Angel is the mysterious and "unattainable" Veronica. Buffy goes back-and-forth on them many times.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Robots}}'' has Piper (Betty) and Cappy (Veronica), both having a crush on the protagonist, Rodney. However, their personalities are switched: Piper is a ninja-like fighter who can be short-tempered; while Cappy is much more serene and laidback.
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* In the ''Anime/PrincessTutu'' anime, Fakir appears at first as a male {{Tsundere}}, and Mytho the Prince has a case of ChronicHeroSyndrome. They were respectively the Veronica and Betty to Ahiru's Archie [[spoiler: Then Mytho's heart shard is tainted with the Crow's blood and he becomes evil and potentially violent, and Fakir is seen as the friend and confident who does everything he can to protect Ahiru. And this is settled when Rue performs an HeroicSacrifice to bring Mytho back to the side of good... and then Mytho stays with ''her'' instead.]]
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* In the ''Anime/PrincessTutu'' anime, Fakir appears at first as a male {{Tsundere}}, and Mytho the Prince has a case of ChronicHeroSyndrome. They were respectively the Veronica and Betty to Ahiru's Archie [[spoiler: Then Mytho's heart shard is tainted with the Crow's blood and he becomes evil and potentially violent, and Fakir is seen as the friend and confident who does everything he can to protect Ahiru]]. [[spoiler: And this is settled when Rue performs an HeroicSacrifice to bring Mytho back to the side of good... and then Mytho stays with ''her'' instead.]]
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* In the ''Anime/PrincessTutu'' anime, Fakir appears at first as a male {{Tsundere}}, and Mytho the Prince has a case of ChronicHeroSyndrome. They were respectively the Veronica and Betty to Ahiru's Archie [[spoiler: Then Mytho's heart shard is tainted with the Crow's blood and he becomes evil and potentially violent, and Fakir is seen as the friend and confident who does everything he can to protect Ahiru]]. [[spoiler: Ahiru. And this is settled when Rue performs an HeroicSacrifice to bring Mytho back to the side of good... and then Mytho stays with ''her'' instead.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has Korra and Asami in a LoveTriangle for Mako and a lot of the traits usually associated with each side are swapped around. Asami is sweet and gentle and Mako feels more comfortable around her, but she's the richer, more traditionally beautiful one. Korra is much more violent and tends to crash with Mako, but she is naive and from the country (well, Southern Water Tribe). Eventually Mako becomes closer to Korra and his relationship with Asami becomes sour and finally falls apart after she finds out Mako and Korra kissed behind her back.
** [[spoiler: In the series finale, [[TakeAThirdOption Asami and Korra are the ones to get together]].]]
** [[spoiler: With this twist in mind, Mako also undergoes a "Betty and Veronica switch". He starts out as the Veronica for Korra's Archie and Bolin's Betty - the bad boy compared to his Dogged Nice Guy brother. But from Asami's point of view, in season 3 & 4 Mako becomes the Betty to her Archie and Korra's Veronica - since she's known Mako longer, and Korra as the Avatar is easily the more "unattainable" one.]]
** [[spoiler: In the series finale, [[TakeAThirdOption Asami and Korra are the ones to get together]].]]
** [[spoiler: With this twist in mind, Mako also undergoes a "Betty and Veronica switch". He starts out as the Veronica for Korra's Archie and Bolin's Betty - the bad boy compared to his Dogged Nice Guy brother. But from Asami's point of view, in season 3 & 4 Mako becomes the Betty to her Archie and Korra's Veronica - since she's known Mako longer, and Korra as the Avatar is easily the more "unattainable" one.]]
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** In season one, Korra and Asami are in a LoveTriangle for Mako and a lot of the traits usually associated with each side are swapped around. Asami is sweet and gentle and Mako feels more comfortable around her, but she's the richer, more traditionally beautiful one. Korra is much more violent and tends to crash with Mako, but she is naive and from the country (well, Southern Water Tribe). Eventually Mako becomes closer to Korra and his relationship with Asami becomes sour and finally falls apart after she finds out Mako and Korra kissed behind herback.
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** [[spoiler:With this twist in mind, Mako also undergoes a "Betty and Veronica switch". He [[spoiler:He starts out as the Veronica for Korra's Archie and Bolin's Betty - the bad boy compared to his Dogged Nice Guy DoggedNiceGuy brother. But from Asami's point of view, in season 3 & 4 Mako becomes the Betty to her Archie and Korra's Veronica - since she's known Mako longer, and Korra as the Avatar is easily the more "unattainable" one.]]
** In season one, Korra and Asami are in a LoveTriangle for Mako and a lot of the traits usually associated with each side are swapped around. Asami is sweet and gentle and Mako feels more comfortable around her, but she's the richer, more traditionally beautiful one. Korra is much more violent and tends to crash with Mako, but she is naive and from the country (well, Southern Water Tribe). Eventually Mako becomes closer to Korra and his relationship with Asami becomes sour and finally falls apart after she finds out Mako and Korra kissed behind her
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* Many players see this as the case with ''DarkMessiahOfMightAndMagic'' with Leanna, the sweet mage girl, and Xana, the provocative and aggressive succubus. However, Xana [[spoiler: never actually forces you to do anything actually evil, saves your life, provides invaluable guidance, and helps to derail the evil plot you were born to carry out]], while Leanna [[spoiler: requires you to do all the dangerous and dirty work, tags along for some very annoying escort mission parts, pushes you to kill Xana after learning of the demoness' existance, then attempts to murder you if you choose not to]]. A majority of players chose to complete the optional quest [[spoiler: of saving Leanna from the spider pit]] not only for the bonus skill points, but also so they could kill her without a NonstandardGameOver resulting.
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** ''Literature/MansfieldPark'' has an interesting unmentioned objective variation [[spoiler: for the heroine and antiheroine]], a [[HurtingHero quietly depressed]], [[ExtremeDoormat meek]] and[[TurnTheOtherCheek forgiving]] LoveMartyr {{Woobie}} and a [[TheSocialExpert manipulative]], [[FemmeFatale charming-but-dangerous]] GoldDigger. Turns out the first becomes an IronWoobie [[BewareTheNiceOnes who won't let]] the others's mean preoccupations [[TheFettered go against her morals]] and knows perfectly well that [[YouGoGirl the treatment born by her gender is unfair]], and the other falls in love, {{wangst}}s, and consider abandoning her ambitions and also losing integrity. [[spoiler: The hero chooses the new Veronica, who throws a proto-feminist speech in his face, making the work FairForItsDay. ]]
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** ''Literature/MansfieldPark'' has an interesting unmentioned objective variation [[spoiler: for the heroine and antiheroine]], respectively a [[HurtingHero quietly depressed]], [[ExtremeDoormat meek]] and[[TurnTheOtherCheek and [[TurnTheOtherCheek forgiving]] LoveMartyr {{Woobie}} and a [[TheSocialExpert manipulative]], [[FemmeFatale charming-but-dangerous]] GoldDigger. Turns out the first becomes an IronWoobie [[BewareTheNiceOnes who won't let]] the others's others' mean preoccupations [[TheFettered go against her morals]] and knows perfectly well that [[YouGoGirl the treatment born borne by her gender is unfair]], and while the other falls in love, {{wangst}}s, and consider considers abandoning her ambitions and also losing integrity. [[spoiler: The hero chooses the new Veronica, who throws a proto-feminist speech in his face, making the work FairForItsDay. ]]
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* DragonAgeOrigins has Leliana and Morrigan. Leliana is the sweet Chantry sister while Morrigan is the mysterious Witch of the Wilds. It is later revealed that Leliana is a former bard who took shelter in the Chantry to hide from the Orlesian military who (incorrectly) believes she sold secrets to Ferelden. Meanwhile, Morrigan is really just a young, inexperienced girl whose 'survival of the fittest' beliefs are just parroting her mother's.
** Then ten years later in DragonAgeInquisition, Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has [[spoiler:Merrill]] and [[spoiler:Isabela]]. The former is a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} with NoSocialSkills with innocent looking puppy eyes while the latter is a [[ReallyGetsAround promiscuous pirate]] [[BiTheWay more open about her preference than the other companions]]. However, [[spoiler:one turns out to be a [[EvilIsNotAToy Blood Mage]] [[WideEyedIdealist trying to save her people]] via [[WellIntentionedExtremist consequentialistic methods]] while the other is a BrokenBird trying to cope with the memory of ParentalAbandonment and can be persuaded to fully commit to love.]]
** Then ten years later in DragonAgeInquisition, Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has [[spoiler:Merrill]] and [[spoiler:Isabela]]. The former is a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} with NoSocialSkills with innocent looking puppy eyes while the latter is a [[ReallyGetsAround promiscuous pirate]] [[BiTheWay more open about her preference than the other companions]]. However, [[spoiler:one turns out to be a [[EvilIsNotAToy Blood Mage]] [[WideEyedIdealist trying to save her people]] via [[WellIntentionedExtremist consequentialistic methods]] while the other is a BrokenBird trying to cope with the memory of ParentalAbandonment and can be persuaded to fully commit to love.]]
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** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has Leliana and Morrigan. Leliana is the sweet Chantry sister while Morrigan is the mysterious Witch of the Wilds. It is later revealed that Leliana is a former bard who took shelter in the Chantry to hide from the Orlesian military who (incorrectly) believes she sold secrets to Ferelden. Meanwhile, Morrigan is really just a young, inexperienced girl whose 'survival of the fittest' beliefs are just parroting her mother's.
**Then ten years later in DragonAgeInquisition, Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
*''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has [[spoiler:Merrill]] and [[spoiler:Isabela]]. The former is a {{Cloudcuckoolander}} with NoSocialSkills with innocent looking innocent-looking puppy eyes while the latter is a [[ReallyGetsAround promiscuous pirate]] [[BiTheWay more open about her preference than the other companions]]. However, [[spoiler:one turns out to be a [[EvilIsNotAToy Blood Mage]] [[WideEyedIdealist trying to save her people]] via [[WellIntentionedExtremist consequentialistic methods]] while the other is a BrokenBird trying to cope with the memory of ParentalAbandonment and can be persuaded to fully commit to love.]]]]
** Ten years later after ''Origins'', in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' has Leliana and Morrigan. Leliana is the sweet Chantry sister while Morrigan is the mysterious Witch of the Wilds. It is later revealed that Leliana is a former bard who took shelter in the Chantry to hide from the Orlesian military who (incorrectly) believes she sold secrets to Ferelden. Meanwhile, Morrigan is really just a young, inexperienced girl whose 'survival of the fittest' beliefs are just parroting her mother's.
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** Ten years later after ''Origins'', in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
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* DragonAgeOrigins has Leliana and Morrigan. Leliana is the sweet Chantry sister while Morrigan is the mysterious Witch of the Wilds. It is later revealed that Leliana is a former bard who took shelter in the Chantry to hide from the Orlesian military who (falsely) believes she sold secrets to Ferelden. Meanwhile, Morrigan is really just a young, inexperienced girl whose 'survival of the fittest' tendencies are just parroting her mother's.
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* DragonAgeOrigins has Leliana and Morrigan. Leliana is the sweet Chantry sister while Morrigan is the mysterious Witch of the Wilds. It is later revealed that Leliana is a former bard who took shelter in the Chantry to hide from the Orlesian military who (falsely) (incorrectly) believes she sold secrets to Ferelden. Meanwhile, Morrigan is really just a young, inexperienced girl whose 'survival of the fittest' tendencies beliefs are just parroting her mother's.
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* DragonAgeOrigins has Leliana and Morrigan. Leliana is the sweet Chantry sister while Morrigan is the mysterious Witch of the Wilds. It is later revealed that Leliana is a former bard who took shelter in the Chantry to hide from the Orlesian military who (falsely) believes she sold secrets to Ferelden. Meanwhile, Morrigan is really just a young, inexperienced girl whose 'survival of the fittest' tendencies are just parroting her mother's.
** Then ten years later in DragonAgeInquisition, Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
** Then ten years later in DragonAgeInquisition, Leliana is serving as the left hand of Divine Justinia, doing the dirty work the Divine can't be publicly involved in while Morrigan is (potentially) married in all but name to the Warden and raising a son with him, both of whom she is completely devoted to.
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*''Series/{{BuffytheVampireSlayer}}'' & ''Series/{{Angel}}'': Gender-flipped- [[ByronicHero Angel]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Spike]] in their love triangle with [[ActionGirl Buffy]]. Angel seems to have personality of a Betty while Spike the personality of a Veronica, but as it turns out Spike is Betty since he's a self-proclaimed ("attainable") fool for love while Angel is the mysterious and "unattainable" Veronica. Buffy goes back-and-forth on them many times.
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* The infamous love triangle between [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Christopher "The Notorious B.I.G." Wallace]], Faith Evans and [[Music/LilKim Kimberly "Lil' Kim" Jones]], at least from the perspective of the public. In the beginning, it seemed Kim was the Betty, a sweet, spunky up-and-coming rapper and Biggie's protege vs. the glamorous Faith Evans, whom Wallace married rather spur-of-the-moment. To make a long story short, Biggie was not faithful, and the personal drama began to unfold ''very'' publicly, causing most fans to see a different picture: Evans was now the devoted, put-upon, soul-singing wife, while Kim was now the edgy, sexually promiscuous (at least according to her lyrics) hardcore-rapping mistress. The reality, anyone will tell you, was much less black-and-white.
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* The infamous love triangle between [[Music/TheNotoriousBIG Christopher "The Notorious B.I.G." Wallace]], Faith Evans and [[Music/LilKim Kimberly "Lil' Kim" Jones]], at least from the perspective of the public. In the beginning, it seemed Kim was the Betty, a sweet, spunky up-and-coming rapper and Biggie's protege vs. the glamorous Faith Evans, whom Wallace married rather spur-of-the-moment. To make a long story short, Biggie was not faithful, and the personal drama began to unfold ''very'' publicly, causing most fans to see a different picture: Evans was now the devoted, put-upon, soul-singing wife, while Kim was now the edgy, sexually promiscuous (at least according to her lyrics) hardcore-rapping mistress. The reality, anyone will tell you, was much less black-and-white.
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Considering both creators confirmed them as canon, there is hardly anything \"implied\".
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** [[spoiler: In the series finale, [[TakeAThirdOption Asami and Korra are implied to get together]].]]
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** [[spoiler: In the series finale, [[TakeAThirdOption Asami and Korra are implied the ones to get together]].]]
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* Mai is the Betty and Katara is the Veronica with their traits switched around in ''FanFic/TheStalkingZukoSeries''. Mai is Zuko's childhood friend, the "safe" choice, and a lady of the court, but with Veronica traits like being different from what he's used to (after his banishment and traveling), is very wealthy, used to commanding servants, and is an IceQueen. Katara is the Veronica in that she's exotic, seemingly unattainable due to their past history and possible futures, is outside of his world (the Fire Nation), and seemingly unaware of Zuko's affections. However, Katara has Betty traits such as being emotionally reliable, Zuko's best friend, and part of Zuko's past lifestyle of banishment, chasing the Avatar, traveling, and re-banishment.
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* Mai is the Betty and Katara is the Veronica with their traits switched around in ''FanFic/TheStalkingZukoSeries''. Mai is Zuko's childhood friend, the "safe" choice, and a lady of the court, but with Veronica traits like being different from what he's used to (after his banishment and traveling), is very wealthy, used to commanding servants, and is an IceQueen. Katara is the Veronica in that she's exotic, seemingly unattainable due to their past history and possible futures, is outside of his world (the Fire Nation), and seemingly unaware of Zuko's affections. However, Katara has Betty traits such as being emotionally reliable, Zuko's best friend, and part of Zuko's past lifestyle of banishment, chasing the Avatar, traveling, and re-banishment.
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