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* One of the most wildly used arguments against religion, particularly Christianity, has to be the claim that religion causes war. Here's the thing though. ''It doesn't''. There is NO proof that religion causes war and significant evidence that it doesn't. People who argue that religion causes war tend to list a select few examples and then act like they have launched some sort of UnblockableAttack. Here's the thing though, there have kind-of been one or two other wars besides The Crusades, and almost all those were fought for completely secular reasons such as to secure needed resources, land, positions of political or tactical importance, power, or commodities such as [[http://www.world-foodhistory.com/2008/09/spice-trade-and-war.html spice or sugar]]. In actual fact the evidence falls rather firmly on the side of religion not being violent, a totalling of every campaign in The Encyclopaedia of War gives us only 123 religious wars ''out of an enormous 1763'' (6.98%). That's not just Christian wars, that's ''in total''. And that figure of 123 includes plenty that were, arguably, fought for non-religious reasons. And even The Crusades, the one example ''guaranteed'' to crop up, weren't fought for purely religious reasons - they started with a land-grab by the Seljuks, the Byzantine emperor called to Pope Urban II for support, seeking to unite Europe, consolidate and reunite the fractured the Church and take back Jerusalem from the invaders, The Pope, who was a respected world leader, called for a crusade against the invading forces. Notice how we keep saying 'the invaders' instead of 'the Muslims'? That's becuse during the first couple of crusades ''the Christian side had Muslim allies and the Islamic side had Christian allies''. It's entirely probably that the war would have happened without any kind of religious input whatsoever - if you strip out the religious references it's just a straight-up boarder war of the type that had been running in Europe (and world wide) for centuries. In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that one army took a massive detour in order to sack ''a friendly Muslim city out of pure unadulterated greed'' (Damascus) the Crusades would probably never have become a purely Muslim-vs-Christian conflict at all.
** If you encounter this argument the best solution is to ask them to provide actual proof in the form of statistical evidence rather than simply giving anecdotal examples, the chances are they will quickly fall back on a favourite cop-out of Dawkins: a argument which usually amounts to nothing more than the claim that 'religion creates differences and differences are fought over', which is an utterly ridiculous thing to say when you consider just how many other things there are that make people different, think about it, skin colour, language, hair (think about the native Americans and their different tribal hair styles), subcultures ([[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7316601.stm several Goths have been beaten or murdered for being Goths]]), hell, look at the Mac vs PC vs Linux flamewars on the internet! Saying that 'religion is bad because it causes difference and difference leads to war,' is just about the most stupid thing you can possibly say in a religious debate, most wars are fought To say that religion causes any significant amount of war is barmy and in total contradiction to all of the evidence.
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* One of the most wildly used arguments against religion, particularly Christianity, has to be the claim that religion causes war. Here's the thing though. ''It doesn't''. There is NO proof that religion causes war and significant evidence that it doesn't. People who argue that religion causes war tend to list a select few examples and then act like they have launched some sort of UnblockableAttack. Here's the thing though, there have kind-of been one or two other wars besides The Crusades, and almost all those were fought for completely secular reasons such as to secure needed resources, land, positions of political or tactical importance, power, or commodities such as [[http://www.world-foodhistory.com/2008/09/spice-trade-and-war.html spice or sugar]]. In actual fact the evidence falls rather firmly on the side of religion not being violent, a totalling of every campaign in The Encyclopaedia of War gives us only 123 religious wars ''out of an enormous 1763'' (6.98%). That's not just Christian wars, that's ''in total''. And that figure of 123 includes plenty that were, arguably, fought for non-religious reasons. And even The Crusades, the one example ''guaranteed'' to crop up, weren't fought for purely religious reasons - they started with a land-grab by the Seljuks, the Byzantine emperor called to Pope Urban II for support, seeking to unite Europe, consolidate and reunite the fractured the Church and take back Jerusalem from the invaders, The Pope, who was a respected world leader, called for a crusade against the invading forces. Notice how we keep saying 'the invaders' instead of 'the Muslims'? That's becuse during the first couple of crusades ''the Christian side had Muslim allies and the Islamic side had Christian allies''. It's entirely probably that the war would have happened without any kind of religious input whatsoever - if you strip out the religious references it's just a straight-up boarder war of the type that had been running in Europe (and world wide) for centuries. In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that one army took a massive detour in order to sack ''a friendly Muslim city out of pure unadulterated greed'' (Damascus) the Crusades would probably never have become a purely Muslim-vs-Christian conflict at all.
** If you encounter this argument the best solution is to ask them to provide actual proof in the form of statistical evidence rather than simply giving anecdotal examples, the chances are they will quickly fall back on a favourite cop-out of Dawkins: a argument which usually amounts to nothing more than the claim that 'religion creates differences and differences are fought over', which is an utterly ridiculous thing to say when you consider just how many other things there are that make people different, think about it, skin colour, language, hair (think about the native Americans and their different tribal hair styles), subcultures ([[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7316601.stm several Goths have been beaten or murdered for being Goths]]), hell, look at the Mac vs PC vs Linux flamewars on the internet! Saying that 'religion is bad because it causes difference and difference leads to war,' is just about the most stupid thing you can possibly say in a religious debate, most wars are fought To say that religion causes any significant amount of war is barmy and in total contradiction to all of the evidence.
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* One of the most prevailing myths about Catholic Missionaries is that they are there to force something on people, there may be other [[ChurchFundamentalist Christian groups]] that do do this, but the RCC is not one of them. The main point of a mission is humanitarian aid, missionaries become missionaries for the same reason people volunteer for other charities - they want to help people! The first buildings established by a mission tend to be rudimentary medical facilities, then moving on to schools. It is generally the people themselves who ask for them to build a church. Missionary work is some of the hardest and most dangerous on the planet, the fact that missionaries protect the communities they join and are often ''celebrated'' by them, and the fact that the mission brings things like sustainable water and food, education, good moral teachings, and hope to ''billions'' is entirely lost on most people. When a missionary priest (and he isn't one) approaches a tribe like that ''they can ask him to leave'', and he has to go! The priest is there only as long as the people want him, he is NOT allowed to force Christianity on them - THEY have to come to him! That's right! In actual fact the main point of Missions is humanitarian work, a priest (and often volunteers) will go and build pumps, [[http://theologicalscribbles.blogspot.com/2011/07/catholic-church-and-healthcare-in.html a hospital]], a school, and ''start teaching people to read''. The actual teaching of Christianity happens when the priest asks people if they would like to learn about the faith, the people then come to the priest to find out about Christianity and it is often ''them'' who ask for the priest to build a church. Oh yes, and the priest is not there to force another culture on the people or tell them that their current beliefs are wrong - often a missionary will be the only person making sure the local children know their own damn history and culture. The Vatican has numerous letters on file ''thanking'' them for the word of God, including one from a tribe of native Americans, which is written on tree bark.
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* One of the most prevailing myths about Catholic Missionaries is that they are there to force something on people, there may be other [[ChurchFundamentalist Christian groups]] that do do this, but the RCC is not one of them. The main point of a mission is humanitarian aid, missionaries become missionaries for the same reason people volunteer for other charities - they want to help people! The first buildings established by a mission tend to be rudimentary medical facilities, then moving on to schools. It is generally the people themselves who ask for them to build a church. Missionary work is some of the hardest and most dangerous on the planet, the fact that missionaries protect the communities they join and are often ''celebrated'' by them, and the fact that the mission brings things like sustainable water and food, education, good moral teachings, and hope to ''billions'' is entirely lost on most people. When a missionary priest (and he isn't one) approaches a tribe like that ''they can ask him to leave'', and he has to go! The priest is there only as long as the people want him, he is NOT allowed to force Christianity on them - THEY have to come to him! That's right! In actual fact the main point of Missions is humanitarian work, a priest (and often volunteers) will go and build pumps, [[http://theologicalscribbles.blogspot.com/2011/07/catholic-church-and-healthcare-in.html a hospital]], a school, and ''start teaching people to read''. The actual teaching of Christianity happens when the priest asks people if they would like to learn about the faith, the people then come to the priest to find out about Christianity and it is often ''them'' who ask for the priest to build a church. Oh yes, and the priest is not there to force another culture on the people or tell them that their current beliefs are wrong - often a missionary will be the only person making sure the local children know their own damn history and culture. The Vatican has numerous letters on file ''thanking'' them for the word of God, including one from a tribe of native Americans, which is written on tree bark.
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* One of the most prevailing myths about Catholic Missionaries is that they are there to force something on people, there may be other [[ChurchFundamentalist Christian groups]] that do do this, but the RCC is not one of them. The main point of a mission is humanitarian aid, missionaries become missionaries for the same reason people volunteer for other charities - they want to help people! The first buildings established by a mission tend to be rudimentary medical facilities, then moving on to schools. It is generally the people themselves who ask for them to build a church. Missionary work is some of the hardest and most dangerous on the planet, the fact that missionaries protect the communities they join and are often ''celebrated'' by them, and the fact that the mission brings things like sustainable water and food, education, good moral teachings, and hope to ''billions'' is entirely lost on most people. When a missionary priest (and he isn't one) approaches a tribe like that ''they can ask him to leave'', and he has to go! The priest is there only as long as the people want him, he is NOT allowed to force Christianity on them - THEY have to come to him! That's right! In actual fact the main point of Missions is humanitarian work, a priest (and often volunteers) will go and build pumps, [[http://theologicalscribbles.blogspot.com/2011/07/catholic-church-and-healthcare-in.html a hospital]], a school, and ''start teaching people to read''. The actual teaching of Christianity happens when the priest asks people if they would like to learn about the faith, the people then come to the priest to find out about Christianity and it is often ''them'' who ask for the priest to build a church. Oh yes, and the priest is not there to force another culture on the people or tell them that their current beliefs are wrong - often a missionary will be the only person making sure the local children know their own damn history and culture. The Vatican has numerous letters on file ''thanking'' them for the word of God, including one from a tribe of native Americans, which is written on tree bark.
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** Unfortunately, the fact they ARE open to scholars of all faiths (and none), and that this is thoroughly decent of them, is entirely lost on a lot of rather militant and ignorant people who continually demand access to what ''they'' think is 'a sealed vault full of all their dirtiest secrets'. Thanks a lot, [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]].
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** Unfortunately, the fact they ARE open to scholars of all faiths (and none), and that this is thoroughly decent of them, is entirely lost on a lot of rather militant and ignorant people who continually demand access to what ''they'' think is 'a sealed vault full of all their dirtiest secrets'. Thanks a lot, [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]]. The actual vault contains every letter ever sent to the Vatican, including the famous divorce correspondences of one Henry the VIII and a letter written on a roll of tree bark from a Native American tribe thanking the Church for the word of God.
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* TheBible does not say that exactly three wise men visited Jesus, nor does it say they were kings, nor does it say they rode on camels. It also does not say that they visited Jesus as an infant, they simply say they saw him as a "young child." The grouping of 3 stems from the the fact that there were ''three gifts'', [[RuleOfSymbolism Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh]].
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* TheBible Literature/TheBible does not say that exactly three wise men visited Jesus, nor does it say they were kings, nor does it say they rode on camels. It also does not say that they visited Jesus as an infant, they simply say they saw him as a "young child." The grouping of 3 stems from the the fact that there were ''three gifts'', [[RuleOfSymbolism Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh]].
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** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
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** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible Literature/TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
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** Do note that angelic hierarchy is WordOfDante, not part of TheBible canon.
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* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]."
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* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible Literature/TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]."
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* The Catholic Herald has been under attack for several years now for publishing an article claiming that the books of Philip Pullman should be piled up and burnt. Pullman has even put the offending Herald quote in his book and the controversy is such that it has actually become a long-standing part of Pullman's introduction and featured on the BBC's Big Read. The truth? ''The Catholic Herald never said anything of the sort!''. [[http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/29th-october-1999/7/the-stuff-of-nightmares Here's the actual article]] (apologies for a few minor typos, the CH recently digitised their entire archive and the speed-typing shows somewhat). In short, what the Herald actually said was:
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* The ''The Catholic Herald Herald'' has been under attack for several years now for publishing an article claiming that the books of Philip Pullman should be piled up and burnt. Pullman has even put (what we are told is) the offending Herald quote in his book and the controversy is such that it has actually become a long-standing part of Pullman's introduction and featured on the BBC's Big Read. The truth? ''The Catholic Herald never said anything of the sort!''. [[http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/29th-october-1999/7/the-stuff-of-nightmares Here's the actual article]] (apologies for a few minor typos, the CH recently digitised their entire archive and the speed-typing shows somewhat). In short, what the Herald actually said was:
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* The Catholic Herald has been under attack for several years now for publishing an article claiming that the books of Philip Pullman should be piled up and burnt. Pullman has even put the offending Herald quote in his book and the controversy is such that it has actually become a long-standing part of Pullman's introduction and featured on the BBC's Big Read. The truth? ''The Catholic Herald never said anything of the sort!''. [[http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/29th-october-1999/7/the-stuff-of-nightmares Here's the actual article]] (apologies for a few minor typos, the CH recently digitised their entire archive and the speed-typing shows somewhat). In short, what the Herald actually said was:
-->"THE CONTROVERSY over Harry Potter is still brewing in the USA. Parents in South Carolina are pressing their Board of Education to ban the best-selling children's stories. "The books have a serious tone of death, hate, lack of respect and sheer evil", said one mother, in her deposition to the board. No doubt the books are attracting attention precisely on account of their success: they have sold 30 million worldwide. But if one was going to start banning books, there are numerous candidates that seem to me to be far more worthy of the bonfire than Harry. The children's market is glutted with tomes a million times more sinister. This is particularly true in the area of fantasy fiction, which appeals to children as they approach their teens. One such is the trilogy by Philip Pullman, entitled His Dark Materials."
** In response to the continued controversy and the quip at the BBC's Big Read, the Catholic Herald completely re-printed the original article and added a response by its author, Leonie Caldecott, who said that "the tactics of the author and his supporters have not been exactly honourable" (which is a bit of an understatement) and goes on to add that "Since no clergymen have [publicly denounced Pullman and his book] the millionaire author has had to make do with an Oxfordshire housewife".
-->"THE CONTROVERSY over Harry Potter is still brewing in the USA. Parents in South Carolina are pressing their Board of Education to ban the best-selling children's stories. "The books have a serious tone of death, hate, lack of respect and sheer evil", said one mother, in her deposition to the board. No doubt the books are attracting attention precisely on account of their success: they have sold 30 million worldwide. But if one was going to start banning books, there are numerous candidates that seem to me to be far more worthy of the bonfire than Harry. The children's market is glutted with tomes a million times more sinister. This is particularly true in the area of fantasy fiction, which appeals to children as they approach their teens. One such is the trilogy by Philip Pullman, entitled His Dark Materials."
** In response to the continued controversy and the quip at the BBC's Big Read, the Catholic Herald completely re-printed the original article and added a response by its author, Leonie Caldecott, who said that "the tactics of the author and his supporters have not been exactly honourable" (which is a bit of an understatement) and goes on to add that "Since no clergymen have [publicly denounced Pullman and his book] the millionaire author has had to make do with an Oxfordshire housewife".
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*** Also it should be mention that the quote that was use earlier(mattew 5:17-19). Jesus was referring to the fulfillment, or end, of the Mosaic Laws so those quote in fact don't actually contradicted each other. Remember the bible also said "For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." (Romans 10:4)
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*** Also it should be mention that Also, in the quote that was use earlier(mattew 5:17-19). 5:17-19), Jesus was referring to the fulfillment, or end, of the Mosaic Laws so Laws. So those quote in fact don't actually contradicted each other. Remember the bible also said "For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." (Romans 10:4)
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* Similarly, many non-Catholics are familiar with the concept of "papal infallibility," the [[SelfDemonstratingArticle dogma]] that ThePope is 100% correct when he talks about faith and morals. What most ''don't'' realize is that the Pope's words are only considered infallible when he is speaking ''ex cathedra''(literally, "from the chair") meaning it only applies when he is explicitly invoking the infallibility or is otherwise considered to have the intention of doing so, which has some pretty explicit criteria. To date, this has happened at least twice, while some put the definite count at seven times. Probably. It boils down to this: if the occasion meets these standards, ''God will not let the Pope speak wrongly.''
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* Similarly, many non-Catholics are familiar with the concept of "papal infallibility," the [[SelfDemonstratingArticle dogma]] that ThePope is 100% correct when he talks about faith and morals. What most ''don't'' realize is that the Pope's words are only considered infallible when he is speaking ''ex cathedra''(literally, cathedra'' (literally, "from the chair") meaning it only applies when he is explicitly invoking the infallibility or is otherwise considered to have the intention of doing so, which has some pretty explicit criteria. To date, this has happened at least twice, while some put the definite count at seven times. Probably. It boils down to this: if the occasion meets these standards, ''God will not let the Pope speak wrongly.''
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** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
Down's Syndrome.
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* What does the Catholic Church teach about condoms? If you answered "[[ForTheEvulz They are eeeevil!]]" then you are dead wrong. In certain circumstances (such as if you are gay) the Church encourages you to use a condom in order to prevent the spread of STDs. The main teaching of the Catholic Church is that ''married couples'' shouldn't use condoms. What about unmarried couples? The Church says they should save themselves for marriage. The reasons the Church gives for disallowing condoms is, to summarise, becuse they interfere with the natural reproductive elements of sex. The Church teaches that the married couple should use the natural reproductive cycle to have sex without creating babies. It's a bit old fashioned, but then again the Church is roughly ''[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld two thousand]]'' years old, so that isn't all that surprising.
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* What does the Catholic Church teach about condoms? If you answered "[[ForTheEvulz They are eeeevil!]]" then you are dead wrong. In certain circumstances (such as if you are gay) the Church encourages you to use a condom in order to prevent the spread of STDs.[=STDs=]. The main teaching of the Catholic Church is that ''married couples'' shouldn't use condoms. What about unmarried couples? The Church says they should save themselves for marriage. The reasons the Church gives for disallowing condoms is, to summarise, becuse they interfere with the natural reproductive elements of sex. The Church teaches that the married couple should use the natural reproductive cycle to have sex without creating babies. It's a bit old fashioned, but then again the Church is roughly ''[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld two thousand]]'' years old, so that isn't all that surprising.
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* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films, and if they live outside America, they probably don't even know what it is. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.
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* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films, and if they live outside America, they probably don't even know what it is. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He coming back, he will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.
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* Nobody knows specifically when Jesus was born[[hottip:*:And as it turns out, the modern calender may in fact be a few years behind schedule because of this -- the original math that the current year scheme was based on had a few flaws.]], but there is a prevailing idea that the date accorded was an attempt to co-opt Aurelian's ''Feast of the Unconquered Sun'', a festival that took place on what was, in the Julian Calender, the Winter Solstice, December 25.[[hottip:*:In the Gregorian Calender, which was first proposed as an improvement to the Julian Calender -- which was about two weeks off schedule at that point -- the Winter Solstice is now December 21.]] While the earliest hard evidence regarding Dec. 25 as the date of Christmas is from 336 A.D., and it wasn't made an official festival until 379, there is evidence that the date was already being put forth by the integration of several strands of thought. The formulation of the date of Christmas actually has to do with the attempt to set the date of Good Friday and Easter, for the purposes of smoothing out the liturgical calender[[hottip:*:The seasonal progression of the Catholic Church's worship theme, primarily organized as Advent, Christmas, Ordinary Time, Lent, Easter, Ordinary Time. NB: The Catholic Church also employs a three year rotation.]]. After [[JewsLoveToArgue years of argument]], two dates were generally held for the timing of Good Friday: the Eastern Church claimed the date of April 6, while the Western Church observed March 25.
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* Nobody knows specifically when Jesus was born[[hottip:*:And as it turns out, the modern calender calendar may in fact be a few years behind schedule because of this -- the original math that the current year scheme was based on had a few flaws.]], but there is a prevailing idea that the date accorded was an attempt to co-opt Aurelian's ''Feast of the Unconquered Sun'', a festival that took place on what was, in the Julian Calender, Calendar, the Winter Solstice, December 25.[[hottip:*:In the Gregorian Calender, Calendar, which was first proposed as an improvement to the Julian Calender Calendar -- which was about two weeks off schedule at that point -- the Winter Solstice is now December 21.]] While the earliest hard evidence regarding Dec. 25 as the date of Christmas is from 336 A.D., and it wasn't made an official festival until 379, there is evidence that the date was already being put forth by the integration of several strands of thought. The formulation of the date of Christmas actually has to do with the attempt to set the date of Good Friday and Easter, for the purposes of smoothing out the liturgical calender[[hottip:*:The calendar[[hottip:*:The seasonal progression of the Catholic Church's worship theme, primarily organized as Advent, Christmas, Ordinary Time, Lent, Easter, Ordinary Time. NB: The Catholic Church also employs a three year rotation.]]. After [[JewsLoveToArgue years of argument]], two dates were generally held for the timing of Good Friday: the Eastern Church claimed the date of April 6, while the Western Church observed March 25.
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** The misunderstanding here regarding who ripped off who has several roots. First, was that there was virtually no conflict during the institution of the festival; Christians examined Aurelias' ideas, took a shine to them, and functionally ''[[JustForPun baptized]]'' them, giving them new Christian significance without having to impose a whole new methodology on everyone around them. The Birth of the Unconquered Sun was re-appropriated to refer to the "Sun of Salvation" or the "Sun of Justice", as in, Jesus himself. This "baptism" is actually quite common in nascent and/or rural Christian communities, which is why there is a disconnect when festivals and celebrations that look decidedly un-Christian (or, at least, are missing the cultural images of a certain set of [[ChristianityIsCatholic "Smells and Bells"]]) and Pagan [[DidNotDoTheResearch are witnessed by casual observers]]. [[hottip:*:The Christmas tree, for example, came from Germanic pagans. It was unknown in the English-speaking world until Queen Victoria married a German in 1839.]] Also important in the idea of Christmas originally being Pagan are the theories proposed by Paul Ernst Jablonski, a German Protestant, who wanted to demonstrate that the festival of Christmas was one of the early "Paganizations" of Apostolic Christianity into Catholicism, and by Dom Jean Hardouin, a Benedictine monk, who wanted to demonstrate the Catholic Church adopted Pagan festivals for Christian purposes without paganizing the Gospel. Both theories agreed on the '''assumption''' that, since the Julian calender, which dated from 45 B.C. listed December 25 as the Winter Solstice, the date had a pagan significance prior to its Christian one. Jablonski merely noted the correlation of the technical designation of Dec. 25 and thus concluded that the Roman Winter Solstice had a significance prior to Christmas. Hardouin failed to challenge the assumption.
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** The misunderstanding here regarding who ripped off who has several roots. First, was that there was virtually no conflict during the institution of the festival; Christians examined Aurelias' ideas, took a shine to them, and functionally ''[[JustForPun baptized]]'' them, giving them new Christian significance without having to impose a whole new methodology on everyone around them. The Birth of the Unconquered Sun was re-appropriated to refer to the "Sun of Salvation" or the "Sun of Justice", as in, Jesus himself. This "baptism" is actually quite common in nascent and/or rural Christian communities, which is why there is a disconnect when festivals and celebrations that look decidedly un-Christian (or, at least, are missing the cultural images of a certain set of [[ChristianityIsCatholic "Smells and Bells"]]) and Pagan [[DidNotDoTheResearch are witnessed by casual observers]]. [[hottip:*:The Christmas tree, for example, came from Germanic pagans. It was unknown in the English-speaking world until Queen Victoria married a German in 1839.]] Also important in the idea of Christmas originally being Pagan are the theories proposed by Paul Ernst Jablonski, a German Protestant, who wanted to demonstrate that the festival of Christmas was one of the early "Paganizations" of Apostolic Christianity into Catholicism, and by Dom Jean Hardouin, a Benedictine monk, who wanted to demonstrate the Catholic Church adopted Pagan festivals for Christian purposes without paganizing the Gospel. Both theories agreed on the '''assumption''' that, since the Julian calender, calendar, which dated from 45 B.C. listed December 25 as the Winter Solstice, the date had a pagan significance prior to its Christian one. Jablonski merely noted the correlation of the technical designation of Dec. 25 and thus concluded that the Roman Winter Solstice had a significance prior to Christmas. Hardouin failed to challenge the assumption.
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** Do note that angelic hierarchy is WordOfDante, not part of TheBible canon.
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** Unfortunately, the fact they ARE open to scholars of all faiths (and none), and that this is thoroughly decent of them, is entirely lost on a lot of rather militant and ignorant people who continually demand access to what ''they'' think is 'a sealed vault full of all their dirtiest secrets'.
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** Unfortunately, the fact they ARE open to scholars of all faiths (and none), and that this is thoroughly decent of them, is entirely lost on a lot of rather militant and ignorant people who continually demand access to what ''they'' think is 'a sealed vault full of all their dirtiest secrets'. Thanks a lot, [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]].
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** Unfortunately, this doesn't stop a lot of rather militant and ignorant people demanding that the Vatican opens its "secret archives" to the world.
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** Don't forget the very real (and completely different from the way [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]] depicts it) 'Vatican Secret Archives', better known as the [[http://asv.vatican.va/?lang=en Papal Archives]]. To quote the official site:
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** Don't forget the very real (and completely different from the way [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]] depicts it) 'Vatican Secret Archives', Archives' (in this context, the word "Secret" is closer to what we would call "private"), better known as the [[http://asv.vatican.va/?lang=en Papal Archives]]. To quote the official site:
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* Claiming that God declared the human body sinful during the Fall of Man (after Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden). Actually, after being tempted by Satan to eat the ForbiddenFruit, Adam and Eve's (spiritual) eyes had opened, and they began to see everything as shameful, including their own bodies (they were unaware of their nudity until now). So, they attempted to cover them up by making "aprons" out of fig leaves (some versions of the Bible imply that only their genitals were covered with a single leaf) and hiding from God in the trees, but He calls them out on this. God did give them better clothing then the "aprons" after kicking them out, mainly because He had cursed the Earth with things like thorns as punishment, so their bodies would occasionally need protection from the harsh world outside; never did He say that they must be covered up at all times. Plus, He still loved and cared for them even though they sinned. [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:1-24&version=NIV]]
** The origin (i.e., the Hebrew version of the Bible) states that "יִּתְפְּרוּ עֲלֵה תְאֵנָה וַיַּעֲשׂוּ לָהֶם חֲגֹרֹת", i.e., they took fig leaves and made themselves belts (or aprons). God did give them leather shirts before He kicked them out, but it isn't clear why.
** The origin (i.e., the Hebrew version of the Bible) states that "יִּתְפְּרוּ עֲלֵה תְאֵנָה וַיַּעֲשׂוּ לָהֶם חֲגֹרֹת", i.e., they took fig leaves and made themselves belts (or aprons). God did give them leather shirts before He kicked them out, but it isn't clear why.
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** Because God is a [[JewishMother Jewish Mother]] and it was ''cold'' outside the garden. You want them to freeze their little [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage punims]] off?
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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** Oh yes,
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]."
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* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]." "
* What does the Catholic Church teach about condoms? If you answered "[[ForTheEvulz They are eeeevil!]]" then you are dead wrong. In certain circumstances (such as if you are gay) the Church encourages you to use a condom in order to prevent the spread of STDs. The main teaching of the Catholic Church is that ''married couples'' shouldn't use condoms. What about unmarried couples? The Church says they should save themselves for marriage. The reasons the Church gives for disallowing condoms is, to summarise, becuse they interfere with the natural reproductive elements of sex. The Church teaches that the married couple should use the natural reproductive cycle to have sex without creating babies. It's a bit old fashioned, but then again the Church is roughly ''[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld two thousand]]'' years old, so that isn't all that surprising.
* What does the Catholic Church teach about condoms? If you answered "[[ForTheEvulz They are eeeevil!]]" then you are dead wrong. In certain circumstances (such as if you are gay) the Church encourages you to use a condom in order to prevent the spread of STDs. The main teaching of the Catholic Church is that ''married couples'' shouldn't use condoms. What about unmarried couples? The Church says they should save themselves for marriage. The reasons the Church gives for disallowing condoms is, to summarise, becuse they interfere with the natural reproductive elements of sex. The Church teaches that the married couple should use the natural reproductive cycle to have sex without creating babies. It's a bit old fashioned, but then again the Church is roughly ''[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld two thousand]]'' years old, so that isn't all that surprising.
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original Pagan beliefs that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about the Mithraic Mystery Cult, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.
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* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films.novels/films, and if they live outside America, they probably don't even know what it is. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.
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*** There is also the whole [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_J._Ayala Francisco Ayala]] thing. What with him being a former priest and famous evolutionary biologist, or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel Gregor Mendel]] You know that guy with peas who pretty much figured out genetics and was a Monk.
* Likewise evolution, the claim that the Catholic Church/the Pope opposes evolution is still used today. Especially egregious considering that [[http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P19.HTM evolution is part of the Catholic catechism.]] Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and some of the older, traditional branches embraced the work of Charles Darwin ''within a few decades of publication''. For the first decades after Darwin, the Church took no official position at all. However, in the debates over Modernism (1910s-1930s mostly) it tended to get bashed, so the Church put out an encyclical in the 40s clarifying ''that it didn't oppose any part of the massively well supported theory''. Before that there was no official position ''at all'', but some ''individual'' priests/theologians/etc opposed it; but it is indeed accurate to say that the ''Church'' never opposed evolution.
* Likewise evolution, the claim that the Catholic Church/the Pope opposes evolution is still used today. Especially egregious considering that [[http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P19.HTM evolution is part of the Catholic catechism.]] Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and some of the older, traditional branches embraced the work of Charles Darwin ''within a few decades of publication''. For the first decades after Darwin, the Church took no official position at all. However, in the debates over Modernism (1910s-1930s mostly) it tended to get bashed, so the Church put out an encyclical in the 40s clarifying ''that it didn't oppose any part of the massively well supported theory''. Before that there was no official position ''at all'', but some ''individual'' priests/theologians/etc opposed it; but it is indeed accurate to say that the ''Church'' never opposed evolution.
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* Likewise evolution. Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and some of the older, traditional branches embraced the work of Charles Darwin ''within a few decades of publication''.
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* The notion that the Middle Ages, particularly the 'Dark Ages' (Now referred to as the 'Early Middle-Ages') were a time of darkness where religious leaders suppressed scientific advancement has in fact been widely discredited and is now considered untrue by most historians. Many inventions were actually promoted by the Church, which also worked to preserve Pagan writings and built scientific experiments ''into the very fabric of the Vatican''. Not to mention the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] or the [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]], ''one of the oldest scientific institutions in the world''. The irony here is that the people who regularly claim that Christianity stifles research and the acquisition of knowledge are failing to do any research themselves....
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* The notion that the Middle Ages, particularly the 'Dark Ages' (Now referred to as the 'Early Middle-Ages') were a time of darkness where religious leaders suppressed scientific advancement has in fact been widely discredited and is now considered untrue by most historians. Many inventions were actually promoted by the Church, which also worked to preserve Pagan writings and built scientific experiments ''into the very fabric of the Vatican''. And don't forget that many priests were also scientists, or rather, ''most scientists were also priests''. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science Here is a list that just shows the notable ones]], including Henri Lemaître, a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre and the guy who originally proposed Big Bang theory]]''. One of the most important theories in modern physics. Not to mention the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] or the [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]], ''one of the oldest scientific institutions in the world''. The irony here is that the people who regularly claim that Christianity stifles research and the acquisition of knowledge are failing to do any research themselves....
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]].
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* Claims that the Catholic Church supported the Nazis are entirely baseless. In the aftermath of WWII and discovery of the extent of the Nazi crimes, people were looking for people to blame. The Catholic Church was both geographically convenient (the Vatican being located right in the middle of Italy) and a strong moral authority whom a lot of non-Catholics disliked. This led numerous people, many of whom had, themselves, completely failed to speak out despite living very far away from Axis-held countries, to criticise the Church for failing to take a strong enough stance against the Nazis. Never mind the fact that the Vatican was a completely unarmed target sitting right in the middle of the capital city of Fascist Italy, which is about as far from a defensive position as you can get without actually sitting inside the barrel of a howitzer, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Persecution_of_Christian_Churches or the fact that]] [[http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all Hitler had plans]] [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html to wipe them out]] [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1753469.stm when he was done with the Jews]].
Jews]]. The truth of the matter is that the Vatican ''did'' speak out - and was [[http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/20/allied-diplomats-urged-pius-xii-to-stay-silent-about-nazi-deportations/ promptly told by the Allies to stay silent]].
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
* Added to that are the recent attempts to smear the pope by claiming he was a Nazi because he was drafted by them at age sixteen. Not only was the Pope not a Nazi, his family had to keep moving house because of their strong anti-Nazi beliefs. The 'Hitler Youth' part of the equation never even happened - they told him to join, and he got a note saying he was excused. Not exactly leader of the SS here.
** Oh yes, and his fourteen-year-old cousin was taken away and killed by the Nazis because he had Downs.
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* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* Where do the vast majority of Christians stand on alcohol, gambling and legal drugs such as tobacco? They are fine, so long as you do it in moderation and do not let them harm yourself or others (which in the case of gambling means don't take more than someone can afford to lose). Most of the rest, typically the newer less traditional end, take the view that humans have proven that they cannot do such things in moderation and so you should not do it. Alcohol, gambling, etc. are not evil; letting those things rule you is.
* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]."
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original Pagan beliefs that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about the Mithraic Mystery Cult, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original Pagan beliefs that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about the Mithraic Mystery Cult, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in
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* The notion that the Middle Ages, particularly the 'Dark Ages' (Now referred to as the 'Early Middle-Ages') were a time of darkness where religious leaders suppressed scientific advancement has in fact been widely discredited and is now considered untrue by most historians. Many inventions were actually promoted by the Church, which also worked to preserve Pagan writings and built scientific experiments ''into the very fabric of the Vatican''. Not to mention the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] or the [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]], ''one of the oldest scientific institutions in the world''. The irony here is that the people who regularly claim that Christianity stifles research and the acquisition of knowledge are failing to do any research themselves....
** Don't forget the very real (and completely different from the way [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]] depicts it) 'Vatican Secret Archives', better known as the [[http://asv.vatican.va/?lang=en Papal Archives]]. To quote the official site:
--> "More than 1000 years of history on 85km of shelving. The Archivio Segreto Vaticano has served the Holy See for 400 years and is one of the most important and renowned research centres in the world. It is a treasure trove of peerless precious documents; '''millions of papers and parchments that can be assessed by scholars of all nationalities and faiths'''."
** In the above context, the word "Secret" is closer to what we would call "private".
* Likewise evolution. Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and some of the older, traditional branches embraced the work of Charles Darwin ''within a few decades of publication''.
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* Likewise evolution. Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and
** The traditional
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* Where do the vast majority of Christians stand on alcohol, gambling and legal drugs such as tobacco? They are fine, so long as you do it in moderation and do not let them harm yourself or others (which in the case of gambling means don't take more than someone can afford to lose). Most of the rest, typically the newer less traditional end, take the view that humans have proven that they cannot do such things in moderation and so you should not do it. Alcohol, gambling, etc. are not evil; letting those things rule you is.
* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]."
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original Pagan beliefs that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about the Mithraic Mystery Cult, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Science and Christianity]]
* The notion that the Middle Ages, particularly the 'Dark Ages' (Now referred to as the 'Early Middle-Ages') were a time of darkness where religious leaders suppressed scientific advancement has in fact been widely discredited and is now considered untrue by most historians. Many inventions were actually promoted by the Church, which also worked to preserve Pagan writings and built scientific experiments ''into the very fabric of the Vatican''. Not to mention the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] or the [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]], ''one of the oldest scientific institutions in the world''. The irony here is that the people who regularly claim that Christianity stifles research and the acquisition of knowledge are failing to do any research themselves....
** Don't forget the very real (and completely different from the way [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]] depicts it) 'Vatican Secret Archives', better known as the [[http://asv.vatican.va/?lang=en Papal Archives]]. To quote the official site:
--> "More than 1000 years of history on 85km of shelving. The Archivio Segreto Vaticano has served the Holy See for 400 years and is one of the most important and renowned research centres in the world. It is a treasure trove of peerless precious documents; '''millions of papers and parchments that can be assessed by scholars of all nationalities and faiths'''."
** In the above context, the word "Secret" is closer to what we would call "private".
* Likewise evolution. Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and some of the older, traditional branches embraced the work of Charles Darwin ''within a few decades of publication''.
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* Similarly, many non-Catholics are familiar with the concept of "papal infallibility," the [[SelfDemonstratingArticle dogma]] that ThePope is 100% correct when he talks about faith and morals. What most ''don't'' realize is that the Pope's words are only considered infallible when he is speaking ''ex cathedra''(literally, "from the chair") meaning it only applies when he is explicitly invoking the infallibility or is otherwise considered to have the intention of doing so, which has some pretty explicit criteria. To date, this has happened at least twice, while some put the definite count at seven times. Probably. It boils down to this: if the occaision meets these standards, ''God will not let the Pope speak wrongly.''
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* Similarly, many non-Catholics are familiar with the concept of "papal infallibility," the [[SelfDemonstratingArticle dogma]] that ThePope is 100% correct when he talks about faith and morals. What most ''don't'' realize is that the Pope's words are only considered infallible when he is speaking ''ex cathedra''(literally, "from the chair") meaning it only applies when he is explicitly invoking the infallibility or is otherwise considered to have the intention of doing so, which has some pretty explicit criteria. To date, this has happened at least twice, while some put the definite count at seven times. Probably. It boils down to this: if the occaision occasion meets these standards, ''God will not let the Pope speak wrongly.''
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths Pagan beliefs that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, the Mithraic Mystery Cult, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
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* "Jesus Christ of the Nazareth Christs": The word "Christ" means "[[TheChosenOne the annointed one]]" (a translation of the Hebrew term "[[TheMessiah messiah]]"), a title that Jesus' followers applied to him based on what they believed him to be. All too often it is clear that people think that this is his last name. Outside of his circle of believers, Jesus would have been known as Jesus of Nazareth, or as Yeshua[[hottip:* : "Joshua", of which "Jesus" is a Greek version]] bar[[hottip:* : "son of"]] Yosef[[hottip:*: "Joseph", the Virgin Mary's husband, and [[YourMileageMayVary if you don't believe in the Virgin Birth]], Jesus' father]]. His enemies, despite how they are depicted in JesusChristSuperstar, would largely have thought it heresy to refer to him as Jesus Christ.
* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
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* "Jesus Christ of the Nazareth Christs": The word "Christ" means "[[TheChosenOne the annointed anointed one]]" (a translation of the Hebrew term "[[TheMessiah messiah]]"), a title that Jesus' followers applied to him based on what they believed him to be. All too often it is clear that people think that this is his last name. Outside of his circle of believers, Jesus would have been known as Jesus of Nazareth, or as Yeshua[[hottip:* : "Joshua", of which "Jesus" is a Greek version]] bar[[hottip:* : "son of"]] Yosef[[hottip:*: "Joseph", the Virgin Mary's husband, and [[YourMileageMayVary if you don't believe in the Virgin Birth]], Jesus' father]]. His enemies, despite how they are depicted in JesusChristSuperstar, would largely have thought it heresy to refer to him as Jesus Christ.
* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.Christ.
* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
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* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
* A number of shows misunderstand the Catholic teaching of the Immaculate Conception. The Immaculate Conception was NOT Mary's virgin conception of Jesus—that's called the Incarnation. The Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was herself conceived without original sin—which has nothing to do with a virgin conception. In truth, this error appears across multiple media.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
* A number of shows misunderstand the Catholic teaching of the Immaculate Conception. The Immaculate Conception was NOT Mary's virgin conception of Jesus—that's called the Incarnation. The Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was herself conceived without original sin—which has nothing to do with a virgin conception. In truth, this error appears across multiple media.
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* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
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* Claiming that God declared the human body sinful during the Fall of Man (after Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden). Actually, after being tempted by Satan to eat the ForbiddenFruit, Adam and Eve's (spiritual) eyes had opened, and they began to see everything as shameful, including their own bodies (they were unaware of their nudity until now). So, they attempted to cover them up by making "aprons" out of fig leaves (some versions of the Bible imply that only their genitals were covered with a single leaf) and hiding from God in the trees, but He calls them out on this. God did give them better clothing then the "aprons" after kicking them out, mainly because He had cursed the Earth with things like thorns as punishment, so their bodies would occasionally need protection from the harsh world outside; never did He say that they must be covered up at all times. Plus, He still loved and cared for them even though they sinned. [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:1-24&version=NIV]]
** The origin (i.e., the Hebrew version of the Bible) states that "יִּתְפְּרוּ עֲלֵה תְאֵנָה וַיַּעֲשׂוּ לָהֶם חֲגֹרֹת", i.e., they took fig leaves and made themselves belts (or aprons). God did give them leather shirts before He kicked them out, but it isn't clear why.
*** God is a JewishMother and it was ''cold'' outside the Garden. [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage You want that they should freeze their little punims off without a warm jacket]]?
** The origin (i.e., the Hebrew version of the Bible) states that "יִּתְפְּרוּ עֲלֵה תְאֵנָה וַיַּעֲשׂוּ לָהֶם חֲגֹרֹת", i.e., they took fig leaves and made themselves belts (or aprons). God did give them leather shirts before He kicked them out, but it isn't clear why.
*** God is a JewishMother and it was ''cold'' outside the Garden. [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage You want that they should freeze their little punims off without a warm jacket]]?
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
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** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
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* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.
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* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.means.
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* "Jesus Christ of the Nazareth Christs": The word "Christ" means "[[TheChosenOne the annointed one]]" (a translation of the Hebrew term "[[TheMessiah messiah]]"), a title that Jesus' followers applied to him based on what they believed him to be. All too often it is clear that people think that this is his last name. Outside of his circle of believers, Jesus would have been known as Jesus of Nazareth, or as Yeshua[[hottip:* : "Joshua", of which "Jesus" is a Greek version]] bar[[hottip:* : "son of"]] Yosef[[hottip:*: "Joseph", the Virgin Mary's husband, and [[YourMileageMayVary if you don't believe in the Virgin Birth]], Jesus' father]]. His enemies, despite how they are depicted in JesusChristSuperstar, would largely have thought it heresy to refer to him as Jesus Christ.
* {{Hell}}. Any time Hell is depicted as "the Devil's domain", typically with {{Satan}} sitting on a throne of skulls, idly twiddling his pitchfork while the damned are marched by in chains. The Bible clearly teaches that Hell (well, the Lake of Fire, which is really the closest thing explicitly mentioned, though no one goes ''there'' until the end of time) was always intended as a punishment for Satan, not as a kingdom. The closest analogue to a realm of the dead is Sheol or the grave -- a place where the dead go, but not for punishment or reward. It seems to be a place where absolutely nothing happens.
** This misconception comes from the line in ''ParadiseLost'': "Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven." However, it is obviously just metaphorical. The text states the non-literal aspect explicitly: "You'll find no realms there."
*** Satan ''does'' have some autonomy in ''ParadiseLost''; he breaks his chains and founds a city (Pandaemonium). However, it's clear that he's still being tormented (both by the fires and by the absence of God), and that he has no actual power over the damned.
** The traditional view of FireAndBrimstoneHell is due to distinctions LostInTranslation. The word "Hell" is used as a translation for FOUR words used in the initial writing of TheBible in its original languages: ''Sheol'', ''Hades'', a single mention of ''Tartarus'' (2 Peter 2:4), and ''Gehenna''. ''Sheol'' is a Hebrew word and ''Hades'' is Greek; both mean the same thing, the abode of the dead for all humans, whether good or bad, at least until Armageddon, and used in conjunction with Ecclesiastes 9:5 would refer to CessationOfExistence. ''Gehenna'' is a Greek word that when translated means "Valley of Hinnom", which was a trash dump where garbage filth, corpses of criminals, and the like were burned. Jesus re-purposed this word to refer to the future eventual end and KarmicDeath of the wicked, whether human or demon, and also has the same symbolic meaning as the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Not everyone agrees whether it is a place of eternal torment or [[KilledOffForReal eternal]] [[DeaderThanDead destruction]]. Unfortunately, Bible translators usually translate all four words as "Hell", despite that ''Gehenna'' has a different meaning from the first two, thus causing a lot of confusion.
* On that note, any time Satan is depicted as an "opposite but equal" force to God the Father or Jesus. The passage cited as his {{backstory}} (whether it is or not), in Isaiah, depicts him as a fallen angel. Angels are definitely not equal to God.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Dualism]] influenced some sects of early Christian Gnosticism, & some were quite open to the possibility of two equal deities. Then the [[HijackedByJesus Council of Nicaea]] decided to take issue with some [[NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus creative differences]] found in [[TheHeretic Gnostic beliefs]], wrote up a [[GodIsGood Creed]], & [[ChurchMilitant set up shop]].
** Beyond the issue of relative power or lack thereof, Satan is believed to have already been defeated via Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection, and is at this point on borrowed time waiting for the other foot to come down.
* Catholicism is often claimed to be quasi-polytheistic by non-Catholics (veneration of saints and the Mother Mary). While humans in general tend to be polytheistic, Catholics don't actually worship the saints, including Mary, any more than they worship icons such as the crucifix. They usually get annoyed when people accuse them of this. The idea that they do was first coined by Pagans and directed towards ''all'' Christians, but the modern idea that this is the case is not much more than a rumour created by dissenting Protestants. In actual fact, when Catholics pray to the saints they ask them to 'intercede' with God on their behalf. In the Catholic faith, worship of saints is very heavily frowned upon - though not even half as much as worship of idols, which (they consider to) have no worth or consciousness. This is also true of Islam: Islam as practiced by most ordinary Muslims includes a belief in saints and the holiness of their shrines, and praying at these sites hoping for intercession, even as purist "Salafis" and others scream and yell (and occasionally tear down a shrine).
** Muslims occasionally get things wrong about the Trinity (though they aren't alone in that respect). Aside from their idea that the concept of the Trinity is simply polytheism, they often think that the Trinity consists of God, Jesus, and ''Mary''. This misconception is more common in Muslim countries without large Christian populations; Iraqis, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Palestinians, and Egyptians tend not to fall into this trap.
* Anything that depicts or refers to dead souls as angels. Angels ''are not'' the souls of the departed. They are a separate Order of Creation and were on staff from the Beginning. Of course in Catholicism at least some souls ''do'' act as intercessors and provide guidance and miracles. They are called Saints.
* Regarding the hierarchy of angels (from Catholic theology, though common in general Christianity and often in works that need an angelic army or government system) there are nine orders of a celestial hierarchy -- from least to greatest: Angels, Archangels, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Dominations, Thrones, Cherubim, and Seraphim. [[ArchangelMichael Michael]], the angel who cast Satan from heaven, has proven difficult regarding which order, exactly, he belongs, to -- the most common interpretation of his position, as you may have guessed from the trope, is as an archangel, which is the position accorded to him by St. Basil and a good many Greek Fathers, in so far as he is the prince of all angels. St. Bonaventura, on the other hand, refers to him as the prince of the Seraphim, the highest order of the angels, whereas St. Thomas Aquinas places him as prince of the Angels (lowest choir). This latter interpretation makes sense when considering the role of the angelic hierarchy as regards the degrees of their servitude -- in a reverse from the human way of doing things, the higher orders of angels actually ''serve'' the lower orders.
* A number of shows misunderstand the Catholic teaching of the Immaculate Conception. The Immaculate Conception was NOT Mary's virgin conception of Jesus—that's called the Incarnation. The Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was herself conceived without original sin—which has nothing to do with a virgin conception. In truth, this error appears across multiple media.
** Specifically, the miracle of the Immaculate Conception was God preventing the transmission of Original Sin (which was Adam's curse after the expulsion from Paradise, to pass the sin of his transgression on to all his descendants, which she would have normally received from her father at the moment of her conception) so she would be spiritually fit to give birth to Jesus.
* Similarly, many non-Catholics are familiar with the concept of "papal infallibility," the [[SelfDemonstratingArticle dogma]] that ThePope is 100% correct when he talks about faith and morals. What most ''don't'' realize is that the Pope's words are only considered infallible when he is speaking ''ex cathedra''(literally, "from the chair") meaning it only applies when he is explicitly invoking the infallibility or is otherwise considered to have the intention of doing so, which has some pretty explicit criteria. To date, this has happened at least twice, while some put the definite count at seven times. Probably. It boils down to this: if the occaision meets these standards, ''God will not let the Pope speak wrongly.''
** One notes that this is not "The Pope will speak rightly." There is TakeAThirdOption: he doesn't have to say anything
* Question: Why were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? If you answered ''only'' rampant homosexuality (rather than an overabundance of various "sin" which included but in no way were exclusive to "sexual sin," as well as their 'violent crimes' against "outsiders", and generally being greedy, selfish bastards), you answered...wrong! [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekial%2016:49&version=NIV See Ezekiel 16:49 for more details]]. Basically, their attempted rape of the angels was what drove matters to a head, convincing God that He had been merciful toward Sodom and Gomorrah for too long.
** It was also an utter failure of '''hospitality'''. The angels who visited would normally have awaited in the town square as they said, but Lot tells them that this isn't safe, and to come inside quickly. The rest of the townsfolk bang on the doors demanding for the newcomers, and despite the fact that Lot is willing to [[AscendedFridgeHorror give his own daughter to be raped]], but they won't even accept this, proving that they have no kindness toward strangers. This and ''not'' homosexuality, is more the real reason they were punished, since "sin" is separation from God, and what better way to be truly separated than disjointed in inhospitality towards God's creation, humanity (and angels).
* Claiming that God declared the human body sinful during the Fall of Man (after Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden). Actually, after being tempted by Satan to eat the ForbiddenFruit, Adam and Eve's (spiritual) eyes had opened, and they began to see everything as shameful, including their own bodies (they were unaware of their nudity until now). So, they attempted to cover them up by making "aprons" out of fig leaves (some versions of the Bible imply that only their genitals were covered with a single leaf) and hiding from God in the trees, but He calls them out on this. God did give them better clothing then the "aprons" after kicking them out, mainly because He had cursed the Earth with things like thorns as punishment, so their bodies would occasionally need protection from the harsh world outside; never did He say that they must be covered up at all times. Plus, He still loved and cared for them even though they sinned. [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:1-24&version=NIV]]
** The origin (i.e., the Hebrew version of the Bible) states that "יִּתְפְּרוּ עֲלֵה תְאֵנָה וַיַּעֲשׂוּ לָהֶם חֲגֹרֹת", i.e., they took fig leaves and made themselves belts (or aprons). God did give them leather shirts before He kicked them out, but it isn't clear why.
*** God is a JewishMother and it was ''cold'' outside the Garden. [[YiddishAsASecondLanguage You want that they should freeze their little punims off without a warm jacket]]?
* The {{Number of the Beast}} is not three sixes in a row. 6,6,6 from an eschatological standpoint is utterly meaningless. The number of the beast is six hundred and sixty six. Or Six hundred and '''sixteen''' in some translations -- to Latin. At the time, numerological significance of letters was widely practiced, and apparently the name added up to 666 in Greek and 616 in Latin.
** It's good to remember that the Revelation was written way before Arabic numerals were adopted in the region.
*** The number 666 has significance in Roman numerals as well; it is the first six Roman numerals written backwards. DCLXVI = 500 + 100 + 50 + 10 + 5 + 1 = 666. 616 is DCXVI, omitting L, which was not used in some forms of Roman numerals.
*** It also is said to be a reference to Nero's persecution, as the numerical value for "Nero Caesar" (his name in Latin) in ancient Hebrew gematria is 616, and for "Neron Caesar" (his name in Greek) is 666. One interpretation of this passage is that it all refers to past events, but there are other interpretations where Nero serves as a symbol for ... well, just about anything you want, really.
* Here's one that ''everyone'' gets wrong: The upside-down cross is not a satanic symbol. It's a common symbol ''used by the pope'' in tribute to St Peter, who died by being crucified upside down because he did not believe himself worthy to die the same way as Jesus. In fact, many really by the book old school Catholics consider wearing an upside down cross is a more humble and respectable Christian thing to do than wearing a normal cross. Sorry, Satanists.
** However, it has to be said that an inverted ''crucifix'' (that is, a cross with a figure of Christ in it) is a very offensive thing. A cross by itself, inverted, has no offensive connotations. An inverted crucifix very much '''does'''.
*** It's based on FridgeHorror. As Peter was not worthy enough, what if the ''same'' were true of Jesus?
** The pentacle, which (among other things) was used by Christians for centuries to represent the five wounds Jesus suffered on the cross, and to provide ''protection'' from evil spirits. It was a common Christian symbol as recently as the advent of the Mormon church. In Wicca, {{Onmyodo}} and most other non Left Hand Path forms of Pagan belief, the symbol uses a meaning developed within alchemy: the five points are the five elements and again as a "protection from evil" seal. The Satanist or other Left Hand Path version, the pentagram, is, for this very reason, an inverse (upside down) pentacle, which often gets confused with the upside down cross above.
** The most [[HateDumb extreme haters]] of religion often adopt the inverted cross as a symbol. This says a lot about [[HateDumb haters]] in general.
** Many would argue that the offensiveness of the upside down cross is dependant on the purpose behind the usage of the symbol. Like the Swastika, it can be utterly harmless (in the aforementioned Roman Catholic usage) or offensive (usually used in a mocking sense). The Reason it is associated as satanic or evil by many is because sometimes it really is used this way. Symbols are meaningless until they are given meaning.
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* The various atrocities committed by the Israelites under Moses in the book of Deuteronomy are often presented as actual Christian teachings to deal with non believers, and contrasted with the teachings of Christ as the true meaning of Christianity. The thing is Deuteronomy is a collection of historic records (what's left of them anyway) and not actual teachings, not mentioning that they suffer heavily of ValuesDissonance (the Israelite conquests described are not likely to be more cruel and barbaric than the acts of any other people in that era, not to mention the Israelites, as the 'chosen people' felt fully justified). Also, Deuteronomy came long before Jesus, and if his teachings are of any indication, he clearly disapproved of returning to those times. Seeing how 'Christian' literally means 'follower of Christ', it's not hard to guess why such arguments are ridiculous.
** The Book of Leviticus suffers from the same treatment, and many bring up its dispositions in "religion is right" vs. "religion is wrong" debates, completely ignoring the fact that it's ancient legislation, and as such, ''it was already rendered entirely obsolete by later laws, by the time the Bible was first compiled''.
** If fundamentalists and creationists would stop quoting them, this argument would hold more water. While the Ten Commandments were given to Moses, Leviticus is, in fact, the laws administered by the priests of the time and many were purposely disregarded by Jesus.
** It's simple: Someone claiming that Leviticus/Deuteronomy gives an accurate description of how modern-day Christians act is mistaken, since most people don't read the Bible, let alone follow it literally (which, of course, you can't because it is a translation of a set of books that already contained an awful lot of metaphor). But often these passages are cited by opponents of Christianity (or at least biblical literalism) as a way of saying "If the Bible was written by God, and not just ignorant goat-herders, then why does it have all these outdated morals?" In these instances, the objection is only really justified when aimed at the fundamentalist sects. Although there, of course, exist apologetics to counter them, mainstream Christians, particularly Catholics, tend to disregard these old laws because they come from the old Jewish part of the Bible, which is seen as fragmentary and not entirely reliable (to paraphrase a Catholic priest I asked on the subject). Generally speaking, Catholics disregard Genesis as simply myth, or treat it as an allegorical story told to the early Jews. Either way, they have never taken it in the entirely literal sense that modern Creationists do.
*** Most of the morals ''aren't as outdated'' as people think, either. They were based upon cleanliness rules rather than sin/evil [[http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~magi9/isracame.htm (similar to Shintoism)]] For instance, the proscription against the eating of pork ''would'' be true, if modern forms of cooking and treating pork were not followed. Likewise, without a condom, the law against sex with a woman "during her unclean period" would also be true, risking STDs.
* Despite centuries of studying and worshipping the guy, it remains unclear what Jesus ''really'' taught with regards to Old Testament law. On the one hand, there are passages like Matthew 5:38–39 where Jesus says ''"You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."'' The "eye for an eye" bit is a reference to Old Testament law, so it's clear in this passage that Jesus was setting up a contrast between the Old Testament and his own teaching. But on the other hand, there are passages like Matthew 5:17-19 where Jesus says ''"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."'' In this passage Jesus makes it abundantly clear that his teachings do ''not'' contradict even "the smallest letter" of Old Testament law (though it is often argued that "the Law" doesn't refer to the ''entire'' Old Testament but rather to specific parts handed directly to humans by God.) And note that these two apparently-contradictory passages are in ''the same holy book''. Different people have interpreted it different ways. Things are complicated by the fact that most churches uphold the Old Testament books, including Leviticus, as being Holy Scripture in some sense, even though they don't expect their followers to obey all the laws within. (Indeed, stoning an adulterer would be considered really awful, even if you tried to justify it by pointing to Leviticus.)
** Except it actually predates Christianity, since "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is really a paraphrase of the Code of Hammurabi.
*** Jesus' mention of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" [[FridgeBrilliance makes a lot more sense]] if you read it not as "Thou shalt take revenge", but as "Thou shalt not take ''disproportionate'' revenge". It makes more sense because in that whole passage, Jesus is saying, "Here's what the Law says you should/shouldn't do, as a bare minimum. I say go further than the minimum."
*** Also it should be mention that the quote that was use earlier(mattew 5:17-19). Jesus was referring to the fulfillment, or end, of the Mosaic Laws so those quote in fact don't actually contradicted each other. Remember the bible also said "For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness." (Romans 10:4)
* The use of the word "fundamentalism" with or without a capital "F," to mean "people who are intolerant about religious matters," "people willing to use violence in support of their beliefs," or "religious people whom I don't like." In reality, the word fundamentalism has a variety of legitimate meanings. Capital-F Fundamentalism generally refers to a movement in Protestantism in the early 20th century that advocated a focus on the "five fundamentals of Christianity." (More info [[http://www.catholic.com/library/Fundamentalism.asp here]] Used in the lower case, it can refer to a number of factions within various religions (Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, etc.) [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin who believe that their interpretation of religion is more in keeping with the fundamentals than others'.]] The only justification for the current popular usage of the word is that it's been a pejorative for so long that "person I can't convince" has ''become'' a meaning of the word, which is sad but not without basis in reality.
** That's basic linguistic evolution. There are numerous cases in which movement names have become descriptors that don't relate well to the ideals of the original movement. The Epicureans were not 'epicurean' in the modern sense of the word, nor would Karl Marx want anything to do with many people labelled 'Marxists' (nor, for that matter, does a BolivianArmyEnding have to involve the Bolivian army, or a XanatosGambit involve David Xanatos). Further, while in popular usage the term is vague, various academics (e.g. Bruce B. Lawrence, George Marsden) have defined it clearer and more consistent terms.
** Also, the last book of the Bible is called Revelation, not Revelation''s''.
[[AC:General Morality]]
* Where do the vast majority of Christians stand on alcohol, gambling and legal drugs such as tobacco? They are fine, so long as you do it in moderation and do not let them harm yourself or others (which in the case of gambling means don't take more than someone can afford to lose). Most of the rest, typically the newer less traditional end, take the view that humans have proven that they cannot do such things in moderation and so you should not do it. Alcohol, gambling, etc. are not evil; letting those things rule you is.
* Much debate is possible about the attitudes of various Christians toward sex, and there have been very many problematic statements made and repressive attitudes held by Christians. ''However'', a work ''does'' fail Religious Studies forever if it claims or implies that TheBible or any mainstream Christian denomination (including Catholics and mainstream fundamentalists such as evangelicals) ''actually teach'' that you shouldn't have sex because [[SexIsEvil Sex is Bad]]. As opposed to "you shouldn't have sex unless you [[MarriageTropes promise to stay with the person forever]]."
[[AC:History]]
* TheBible does not say that exactly three wise men visited Jesus, nor does it say they were kings, nor does it say they rode on camels. It also does not say that they visited Jesus as an infant, they simply say they saw him as a "young child." The grouping of 3 stems from the the fact that there were ''three gifts'', [[RuleOfSymbolism Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh]].
* Nobody knows specifically when Jesus was born[[hottip:*:And as it turns out, the modern calender may in fact be a few years behind schedule because of this -- the original math that the current year scheme was based on had a few flaws.]], but there is a prevailing idea that the date accorded was an attempt to co-opt Aurelian's ''Feast of the Unconquered Sun'', a festival that took place on what was, in the Julian Calender, the Winter Solstice, December 25.[[hottip:*:In the Gregorian Calender, which was first proposed as an improvement to the Julian Calender -- which was about two weeks off schedule at that point -- the Winter Solstice is now December 21.]] While the earliest hard evidence regarding Dec. 25 as the date of Christmas is from 336 A.D., and it wasn't made an official festival until 379, there is evidence that the date was already being put forth by the integration of several strands of thought. The formulation of the date of Christmas actually has to do with the attempt to set the date of Good Friday and Easter, for the purposes of smoothing out the liturgical calender[[hottip:*:The seasonal progression of the Catholic Church's worship theme, primarily organized as Advent, Christmas, Ordinary Time, Lent, Easter, Ordinary Time. NB: The Catholic Church also employs a three year rotation.]]. After [[JewsLoveToArgue years of argument]], two dates were generally held for the timing of Good Friday: the Eastern Church claimed the date of April 6, while the Western Church observed March 25.
** In order for this to make sense, we need to concern the idea of "Integral Age", the extrascriptural, though apparently widespread, Judaistic idea that the great prophets of history had all died on the same day as their conception or birth. This gives the dates extra significance of being candidates for Jesus' birth or conception, and eventually March 25 took prominence. To the day, March 25 is celebrated as the Feast of the Annunciation (or Incarnation), when the ArchangelGabriel visited Mary and related a certain request to her, and upon her acquiescence conceived the "Eternal Word of God" in her womb. Anyone remotely familiar with pregnancy can make the nine month jump to December 25. April 6's nine month jump led to January 6, which is celebrated as the Feast of the Epiphany (the visitation of the Magi). Combine that with the "Chronicle" of Hippolytus of Rome (which precedes the Feast of Sol Invicti by a good ''three decades'') stating that the birth of Jesus “took place eight days before the kalends of January", and suddenly it seems more like Sol Invicti was a political statement and a ''paganization'' of a significant date to Christians.
** Also, a further point to reference the date was put forth by St. John Crysostom (died 407 A.D.), who regards the bible's record of Mary visiting her pregnant sister, Elizabeth. This took place during the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy, when her husband Zechariah was performing priestly duties in the temple. Zechariah was in the eighth of a 24-class priestly system, so, calculating backwards from the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. (Rabbinical Tradition fixed the class on duty during that time), Zechariah would have been serving Oct. 2-9 in 5 B.C. (again, the modern year system may be a bit off) when he was visited by the angel and told his elderly and infertile wife would conceive and bear his son. Mary's sudden conception visit six months later puts us in March, and the nine month pregnancy leap leads us to late December.
** The misunderstanding here regarding who ripped off who has several roots. First, was that there was virtually no conflict during the institution of the festival; Christians examined Aurelias' ideas, took a shine to them, and functionally ''[[JustForPun baptized]]'' them, giving them new Christian significance without having to impose a whole new methodology on everyone around them. The Birth of the Unconquered Sun was re-appropriated to refer to the "Sun of Salvation" or the "Sun of Justice", as in, Jesus himself. This "baptism" is actually quite common in nascent and/or rural Christian communities, which is why there is a disconnect when festivals and celebrations that look decidedly un-Christian (or, at least, are missing the cultural images of a certain set of [[ChristianityIsCatholic "Smells and Bells"]]) and Pagan [[DidNotDoTheResearch are witnessed by casual observers]]. [[hottip:*:The Christmas tree, for example, came from Germanic pagans. It was unknown in the English-speaking world until Queen Victoria married a German in 1839.]] Also important in the idea of Christmas originally being Pagan are the theories proposed by Paul Ernst Jablonski, a German Protestant, who wanted to demonstrate that the festival of Christmas was one of the early "Paganizations" of Apostolic Christianity into Catholicism, and by Dom Jean Hardouin, a Benedictine monk, who wanted to demonstrate the Catholic Church adopted Pagan festivals for Christian purposes without paganizing the Gospel. Both theories agreed on the '''assumption''' that, since the Julian calender, which dated from 45 B.C. listed December 25 as the Winter Solstice, the date had a pagan significance prior to its Christian one. Jablonski merely noted the correlation of the technical designation of Dec. 25 and thus concluded that the Roman Winter Solstice had a significance prior to Christmas. Hardouin failed to challenge the assumption.
** Further, the particular sun-centric date was foreign to either of the two Roman temples of the sun. The one to whom Aurelian's clan belonged celebrated its dedication festival on August 28, but by the second century, both temples had fallen into disuse and neglect by the second century, when the eastern sun cult Mithraism was gaining ground. And none of the above had ceremonies dealing with Equinoxes or Solstices.
** [[OverlyLongGag SO! To sum up]], the idea that Christmas has pagan roots is utterly bogus. It is the taking of dates featured in the new testament, combining them with an (admittedly extra-Scriptural) Jewish ('''not''' pagan) theory about the lifespan of Jewish ('''not''' pagan) prophets. That they adopted Aurelian's festival is more of a [[XanatosSpeedChess checkmate]] in that he gave them more material to work with. Instead of allowing him to copyright the sun for Roman Paganism, [[OutGambitted they put it in the service of Jesus Christ]].
[[AC:Science and Christianity]]
* The notion that the Middle Ages, particularly the 'Dark Ages' (Now referred to as the 'Early Middle-Ages') were a time of darkness where religious leaders suppressed scientific advancement has in fact been widely discredited and is now considered untrue by most historians. Many inventions were actually promoted by the Church, which also worked to preserve Pagan writings and built scientific experiments ''into the very fabric of the Vatican''. Not to mention the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] or the [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]], ''one of the oldest scientific institutions in the world''. The irony here is that the people who regularly claim that Christianity stifles research and the acquisition of knowledge are failing to do any research themselves....
** Don't forget the very real (and completely different from the way [[DanBrowned Dan Brown]] depicts it) 'Vatican Secret Archives', better known as the [[http://asv.vatican.va/?lang=en Papal Archives]]. To quote the official site:
--> "More than 1000 years of history on 85km of shelving. The Archivio Segreto Vaticano has served the Holy See for 400 years and is one of the most important and renowned research centres in the world. It is a treasure trove of peerless precious documents; '''millions of papers and parchments that can be assessed by scholars of all nationalities and faiths'''."
** In the above context, the word "Secret" is closer to what we would call "private".
* Likewise evolution. Creationists are ''not'' representative of most Christians and some of the older, traditional branches embraced the work of Charles Darwin ''within a few decades of publication''.
[[AC:General Misconceptions]]
* People who claim that Christianity is based on earlier religions are, unless they mean Judaism, very ''sorely'' mistaken. There is no actual historic proof that this is the case. Indeed, there is nothing in what we know of the original myths that we can even draw a respectable parallel with. This, however, has not prevented bunkum, such as Christianity supposedly being based on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systems#Mithraism_and_Christian_Theology Mithraic Mystery Cult]], appearing from the mouths of respected and intelligent people, such as the ones who run the ''[[{{QI}} QI panel game]]''. Quite apart from the fact that we know almost nothing about them, ''everything we do know'' contradicts all of the claims made. This is merely the very tip, ''[[UpToEleven of the very tip]]'', of the colossal iceberg of earlier beliefs that people regularly claim Christianity is based on. One of the more amusing being the supposed 'virgin birth' of Horus, long story short: Isis gathered the various parts of Osirus and rebuilt him, she then brought him back from the dead for a single day so that she could, er, ''conceive'' with him. Yes, creepy undead whatnots are [[CaptainObvious still whatnots]].
** Isis couidn't find Osiris' whatnot. Instead, she carved him a new whatnot out of wood. [[spoiler:[[BeavisandButtHead Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, "wood".]]]]
** These people may be referring to certain stories in the Bible. There are some very similar tales across holy texts, perhaps the most common being an angered deity flooding the earth. Hinduism features a man being swallowed by a fish, which can be linked to the story of Jonah.
* Most Christians, quite simply, do not believe in The Rapture/7 Year Tribulation/One World Conspiracy [[TropeCodifier popularized]] by the Left Behind novels/films. It is a [[NewerThanTheyThink relatively recent theory]] and mostly held to by Evangelical Protestants, and generally ignored in other Christian Traditions. Eschatology (Study of Last Things) has been discussed and debated since the very earliest days of the Church and the only things generally agreed upon near universally by Christians is Jesus is Coming Back, He will judge the world, and Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade. To make things even more complicated, there is even debate about what that last part even means.
