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* AuthorExistenceFailure -- David Feintuch died before publishing ''Galahad's Hope''. Hopefully someone in his family pushes the publication sometime soon, as it was supposed to be the final book in the series...and ''Children'' left a multitude of dangling plot threads.
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* TheBridge -- Much of the series takes place here, unsurprisingly.
* TheCaptain -- Nicholas Seafort is a very pure example, right up there with Kirk. He has responsibilities that he cannot shirk, including sacrificing his subordinates when the situation demands it.
* TheChainsOfCommanding -- Nick's iron-bound sense of duty, stemming from his relationship with God, will not allow him to shirk his oaths - most importantly his oath of service to the United Nations Naval Service. The one oath he does ever break (in Challenger's Hope) haunts him for the rest of his life.
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* TheBridge -- Much of the series takes place here, unsurprisingly.
* TheCaptain -- Nicholas Seafort is a very pure example, right up there with Kirk. He has responsibilities that he cannot shirk, including sacrificing his subordinates when the situation demands it.
* TheChainsOfCommanding -- Nick's iron-bound sense of duty, stemming from his relationship with God, will not allow him to shirk his oaths - most importantly his oath of service to the United Nations Naval Service. The one oath he does ever break (in Challenger's Hope) haunts him for the rest of his life.
* TheNeidermeyer -- Admiral Geoffrey Tremaine. Full stop.
* TheCaptain -- Nicholas Seafort is a very pure example, right up there with Kirk. He has responsibilities that he cannot shirk, including sacrificing his subordinates when the situation demands it.
* TheChainsOfCommanding -- Nick's iron-bound sense of duty, stemming from his relationship with God, will not allow him to shirk his oaths - most importantly his oath of service to the United Nations Naval Service. The one oath he does ever break (in Challenger's Hope) haunts him for the rest of his life.
* TheNeidermeyer -- Admiral Geoffrey Tremaine. Full stop.
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* CasualInterstellarTravel - Averted ''hard''.Averted. See SpaceIsAnOcean.
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* The Neidermeyer -- Admiral Geoffrey Tremaine. Full stop.
* ThingsGetReal: In the first book a midshipman has to take over as ship captain when all other officers die. In another book cadets are sent on a Suicide Mission because there is noone else available.
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* The Neidermeyer TheNeidermeyer -- Admiral Geoffrey Tremaine. Full stop.
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* OfficerAndAGentleman -- What U.N.N.S. officers are expected to be.
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* ExactWords: Seafort talks a group of rebels out of an engine room with the promise that they wouldn't be shot. He has them hanged instead.
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* ExactWords: ExactWords -- Seafort talks a group of rebels out of an engine room with the promise that they wouldn't be shot. He has them hanged instead.
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* NuclearWeaponsTaboo -- Due to a second use of nuclear weapons in the early 21st century, the United Nations government passed a law whereby even ''mentioning'' the use of nuclear weapons is punishable by ''death''.
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* NuclearWeaponsTaboo -- Due to a second use of nuclear weapons in the early 21st century, the United Nations government passed a law whereby even ''mentioning'' the use of nuclear weapons is punishable by ''death''. This plays a major plot point in ''Prisoner's Hope''.
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* PhysicalFitnessPunishment -- When a cadet or Midshipman earns "demerits" for some violation or other, each one must be worked off by two hours of hard calisthenics. Reach ten demerits, and it's time for CorporalPunishment.
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* BootCampEpisode -- This is basically the premise of ''Fisherman's Hope''. The perspective alternates between [[spoiler:Seafort's tenure as Commandant of the U.N.N.S. Academy, and flashbacks to his own time there when he was a cadet]].
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* BreakTheHaughty -- Happens to Deric Carr in ''Challenger's Hope''
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* BreakTheHaughty -- Happens to Deric Derek Carr in ''Challenger's Hope''
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* VirtualTrainingSimulation -- Used when Midshipmen are on bridge duty. They train in piloting, navigation, and combat.
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* ThrownOutTheAirlock -- Happens in ''Midshipman's Hope'' to [[spoiler:the mutineer that kills Midshipman Wilsky]].
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* SpaceCadetAcademy -- The Academy that trains cadets to become officers in the U.N.N.S.
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* MachineMonotone -- Both Played Straight ''and'' Averted. The "'puter" onboard the ships and space stations in the series can have their "conversational overlays" disabled, removing their personalities when they communicate with their users. This is normally done when working on the 'puter itself, or to ''punish'' it for insolence or insubordination.
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* CasualInterstellarTravel - Averted ''hard''. See SpaceIsAnOcean.
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* ImprobableAge -- Seafort himself. At the beginning of ''Prisoner's Hope'', he's the youngest Captain in the U.N.N.S.
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* GenderIsNoObject -- The U.N.N.S. is made up of both genders. Not only that, but male and female Midshipmen live together in a single wardroom.
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* PluckyMiddie -- In SPACE!
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* AlwaysOnDuty -- Justified, as it's a SpaceNavy.
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* DeadpanSnarker: Edgar Tolliver[[spoiler:, but only when alone with Seafort, after their heli was shot down on Hope Nation]].
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* DeadpanSnarker: DeadpanSnarker -- Edgar Tolliver[[spoiler:, but only when alone with Seafort, after their heli was shot down on Hope Nation]].
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority -- Played with. Among Midshipmen, any of the junior Midshipmen may challenge the "Senior Middy" in a fight to attempt to take over the Wardroom. Consequently, a Midshipman who is unable to hold his or her Wardroom is unlikely to ever get promoted to Lieutenant. It's a minor subplot in the first book, and mentioned occasionally in following books.
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* BadDreams -- Nick constantly dreams about being left at the Naval Accademy by his father, the dream is identical to what actually happened.
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* BadDreams -- Nick constantly dreams about being left at the Naval Accademy Academy by his father, the dream is identical to what actually happened.
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* DeadpanSnarker: Edgar Tollliver[[spoiler:, but only when alone with Seafort, after their heli was shot down on Hope Nation]].
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* DeadpanSnarker: Edgar Tollliver[[spoiler:, Tolliver[[spoiler:, but only when alone with Seafort, after their heli was shot down on Hope Nation]].
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* DuelToTheDeath -- During the events of ''Challenger's Hope'', Seafort challenges [[spoiler:Admiral Tremaine]] to a duel. At the start of ''Prisoner's Hope'', it's revealed that [[spoiler:he won.]]
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* NuclearWeaponsTaboo -- Due to a second use of nuclear weapons in the early 21st century, the United Nations government passed a law whereby even ''mentioning'' the use of nuclear weapons is punishable by ''death''.
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Queen Victoria's Navy updated with new equipment and put into a SpaceOpera. Not literally. That is just the feeling of the premise of this series of SF novels by David Feintuch, which can be a lot of reading fun, if that is what you are looking for. For a similar feeling see: the Literature/HonorHarrington series by DavidWeber.[[hottip:*:The series even has a star system named after the titular character of the Seafort Saga.]]
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Queen Victoria's Navy updated with new equipment and put into a SpaceOpera. Not literally. That is just the feeling of the premise of this series of SF novels by David Feintuch, which can be a lot of reading fun, if that is what you are looking for. For a similar feeling see: the Literature/HonorHarrington series by DavidWeber.[[hottip:*:The [[note]]The series even has a star system named after the titular character of the Seafort Saga.]]
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The SeafortSaga novels, in order of release.
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-> "There is no pity in the endless night, no mercy in infinite space. We do not belong there. Not now, not ever--unless one man summons the unbreakable will and unyielding discipline to survive the dark, silent hell he lives to challenge..."
-->''Midshipman's Hope''
Queen Victoria's Navy updated with new equipment and put into a SpaceOpera. Not literally. That is just the feeling of the premise of this series of SF novels by David Feintuch, which can be a lot of reading fun, if that is what you are looking for. For a similar feeling see: the Literature/HonorHarrington series by DavidWeber.[[hottip:*:The series even has a star system named after the titular character of the Seafort Saga.]]
The Seafort Saga follows the career of Nicholas Seafort, eager midshipman starting out from one of his early voyages where a disaster wipes out the top end of the command structure leaving the inexperienced youth in charge. The verse's background includes a strong world government backed by an equally strong church, many of the heroes issues arise out of his strictly religious upbringing and how this conflict with the realities of life in the SpaceNavy and indeed the world. Seafort's first voyage also leads to the discovery of StarfishAliens who apparently don't like us very much.
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The SeafortSaga novels, in order of release.
* ''Midshipman's Hope'' (1994)
* ''Challenger's Hope'' (1995)
* ''Prisoner's Hope'' (1995)
* ''Fisherman's Hope'' (1996)
* ''Voices of Hope'' (1996)
* ''Patriarch's Hope'' (1999)
* ''Children of Hope'' (2001)
* ''Galahad's Hope'' (not yet published)
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This series provides examples of:
* AuthorExistenceFailure -- David Feintuch died before publishing ''Galahad's Hope''. Hopefully someone in his family pushes the publication sometime soon, as it was supposed to be the final book in the series...and ''Children'' left a multitude of dangling plot threads.
* BadDreams -- Nick constantly dreams about being left at the Naval Accademy by his father, the dream is identical to what actually happened.
** Also, every man he's killed or had executed has shown up in his nightmares.
* DeadpanSnarker: Edgar Tollliver[[spoiler:, but only when alone with Seafort, after their heli was shot down on Hope Nation]].
* ExactWords: Seafort talks a group of rebels out of an engine room with the promise that they wouldn't be shot. He has them hanged instead.
* FasterThanLightTravel -- The Fusion Drive
* FirstGirlWins -- ''Thrice''. The first girl we meet that is of the appropriate age, [[spoiler:Amanda, ends up marrying Nick. Then, after Amanda's death, the ''next'' girl we meet again, ends up marrying him. Finally, the ''real'' first girl, who Nick had known since the U.N.N.S. Academy...you guessed it, ends up marrying him. And they all have names starting with "A"]].
* FromBadToWorse -- Where to ''start''? Every book turns the POV characters (and Nick, if convenient; see book 7) into punching bags.
** Examples in order from book 1: Command staff dies, leaving the teenaged Seafort in charge. His ship is attacked by mutineers from a space station. He almost dies in an encounter with the "Goldfish Aliens". Books 2-4 and 6 keep going from there (5 and 7 have a different P.O.V. character).
* GeneralFailure / [[PointyHairedBoss Pointy Haired Military Boss]] -- Admiral Tremaine of ''Challenger's Hope''. In the first scene of the book, he virtually accuses Seafort of faking the evidence of contact with the aliens and accuses his bridge crew of conspiracy, re-assigns him to a smaller ship with said bridge crew, gives orders to ensure that Seafort's ship is first to arrive and last to leave at every nav point, and not to open hostilities with the aliens whilst blasting the hell out of them before the Admiral's ship arrives.
* SpaceIsAnOcean -- Almost literally. Interstellar travel takes years (months in later books), mail is carried by the ships, and there are no FTL communications.
* SpaceWhale / StarfishAliens -- Well, ''Goldfish'' Aliens, anyway.
* SubspaceAnsible -- Averted (see SpaceIsAnOcean note, above).
* TheChainsOfCommanding
* UnitedNations -- In Feintuch's 'verse, the UN is now the government of Earth and its colonies.
* YouAreInCommandNow -- The basis of the entire series, with Nick Seafort being thrown into higher and higher levels of command throughout the first four books.
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-->''Midshipman's Hope''
Queen Victoria's Navy updated with new equipment and put into a SpaceOpera. Not literally. That is just the feeling of the premise of this series of SF novels by David Feintuch, which can be a lot of reading fun, if that is what you are looking for. For a similar feeling see: the Literature/HonorHarrington series by DavidWeber.[[hottip:*:The series even has a star system named after the titular character of the Seafort Saga.]]
The Seafort Saga follows the career of Nicholas Seafort, eager midshipman starting out from one of his early voyages where a disaster wipes out the top end of the command structure leaving the inexperienced youth in charge. The verse's background includes a strong world government backed by an equally strong church, many of the heroes issues arise out of his strictly religious upbringing and how this conflict with the realities of life in the SpaceNavy and indeed the world. Seafort's first voyage also leads to the discovery of StarfishAliens who apparently don't like us very much.
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The SeafortSaga novels, in order of release.
* ''Midshipman's Hope'' (1994)
* ''Challenger's Hope'' (1995)
* ''Prisoner's Hope'' (1995)
* ''Fisherman's Hope'' (1996)
* ''Voices of Hope'' (1996)
* ''Patriarch's Hope'' (1999)
* ''Children of Hope'' (2001)
* ''Galahad's Hope'' (not yet published)
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This series provides examples of:
* AuthorExistenceFailure -- David Feintuch died before publishing ''Galahad's Hope''. Hopefully someone in his family pushes the publication sometime soon, as it was supposed to be the final book in the series...and ''Children'' left a multitude of dangling plot threads.
* BadDreams -- Nick constantly dreams about being left at the Naval Accademy by his father, the dream is identical to what actually happened.
** Also, every man he's killed or had executed has shown up in his nightmares.
* DeadpanSnarker: Edgar Tollliver[[spoiler:, but only when alone with Seafort, after their heli was shot down on Hope Nation]].
* ExactWords: Seafort talks a group of rebels out of an engine room with the promise that they wouldn't be shot. He has them hanged instead.
* FasterThanLightTravel -- The Fusion Drive
* FirstGirlWins -- ''Thrice''. The first girl we meet that is of the appropriate age, [[spoiler:Amanda, ends up marrying Nick. Then, after Amanda's death, the ''next'' girl we meet again, ends up marrying him. Finally, the ''real'' first girl, who Nick had known since the U.N.N.S. Academy...you guessed it, ends up marrying him. And they all have names starting with "A"]].
* FromBadToWorse -- Where to ''start''? Every book turns the POV characters (and Nick, if convenient; see book 7) into punching bags.
** Examples in order from book 1: Command staff dies, leaving the teenaged Seafort in charge. His ship is attacked by mutineers from a space station. He almost dies in an encounter with the "Goldfish Aliens". Books 2-4 and 6 keep going from there (5 and 7 have a different P.O.V. character).
* GeneralFailure / [[PointyHairedBoss Pointy Haired Military Boss]] -- Admiral Tremaine of ''Challenger's Hope''. In the first scene of the book, he virtually accuses Seafort of faking the evidence of contact with the aliens and accuses his bridge crew of conspiracy, re-assigns him to a smaller ship with said bridge crew, gives orders to ensure that Seafort's ship is first to arrive and last to leave at every nav point, and not to open hostilities with the aliens whilst blasting the hell out of them before the Admiral's ship arrives.
* SpaceIsAnOcean -- Almost literally. Interstellar travel takes years (months in later books), mail is carried by the ships, and there are no FTL communications.
* SpaceWhale / StarfishAliens -- Well, ''Goldfish'' Aliens, anyway.
* SubspaceAnsible -- Averted (see SpaceIsAnOcean note, above).
* TheChainsOfCommanding
* UnitedNations -- In Feintuch's 'verse, the UN is now the government of Earth and its colonies.
* YouAreInCommandNow -- The basis of the entire series, with Nick Seafort being thrown into higher and higher levels of command throughout the first four books.
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