History HoYay / LordoftheFlies

** A lot of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels. Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like a paranoid boyfriend who thinks that his partner is cheating on him.

** A lot of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels. Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like a paranoid boyfriend who thinks that his partner Ralph is cheating on him with Piggy.

** Also, the fact that most of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels. Jack ''hates'' when Ralph favors Piggy over him and usually acts like he thinks Ralph is cheating on him with Piggy:

* Jack and Ralph have perhaps the most HoYay in the book, despite [[FoeYay them becoming enemies afterwards]]. Some examples are:

** Many couldn't help but notice how they act like a couple during the first part of the book, how Ralph always has expectations from Jack and is particularly upset with him when Jack doesn't respect his wish of keeping the fire lit, despite that it isn't only Jack's fault, but other kids' too.
** Also, the fact that most of their dialogue is almost identical to lovers' quarrels:

* Then there is the hunting scene, where a choir boy, Robert, pretends to be the pig while the other boys pretend to hunt him. Jack barely lets anyone approach as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair, and spanks him, [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding of something else entirely]]''. It ends with Jack rolling off of him and saying, "That was a good game," while Robert retorts with, "Oh, my bum."

-->'''Samneric:''' The chief and Roger. They hate you, Ralph. They're going to do you.

-->''Ralph and Jack looked at each other while society paused about them. The shameful knowledge grew in them and they did not know how to begin confession. Ralph spoke first, crimson in the face. "Will you?" He cleared his throat and went on. "Will you light the fire?" Now the absurd situation was open, Jack blushed too. He began to mutter vaguely. "You rub two sticks. You rub-" He glanced at Ralph, who blurted out the last confession of incompetence.''

-->''When Ralph spoke again his voice was low, and seemed breathless. "What have I done? I liked him-and I wanted us to be rescued". Again the stars spilled about the sky. Eric shook his head, earnestly. "Listen Ralph. Never mind what's sense. That's gone-" "Never mind about the Chief-" "-you got to go for your own good."''

-->'''Jack:''' That's right-favor Piggy as you always do-

-->'''Jack:''' I was working too-
-->'''Ralph:''' But you liked it! You want to hunt! While I-

-->'''Piggy:''' I been talking, Ralph, and you just stood there like-

--->'''Peter Brook:''' I remember that, in the longer version, as in the book, Jack and Ralph had an almost husband and wife relationship, I mean, they were great friends- I don't mean that in a sexual sense- they were great friends, great comrades, they shared concerns, and in the film most of that is missing. Those ten minutes or so that were removed, I think it diminished that aspect of their relationship almost to the point of disappearing. I don't think it weakens the story, I think it changes the story, somewhat, and I think that it leaves room for the audience to imply what they will about the relationship between Jack and Ralph, rather than giving the specific intention of the original story.

* Then there is the hunting scene, where a choir boy, Robert, pretends to be the pig and gets hunted by the other boys, and Jack barely lets anyone approach, as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair and spanks him, [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding of something else entirely]]'', and it ends up with Jack rolling off of him and saying 'that was a good game', while Robert retorts with 'oh, my bum'.

** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I seriously doubt that the LOTF wanted to "do" Simon in the way the language may suggest).

* Then there is the hunting scene, where a choir boy, Robert, pretends to be the pig and gets hunted by the other boys, and Jack barely lets anyone approach, as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair and spanks him, [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding of something else entirely]]'', and it ends up with Jack rolling off of him and saying 'that was a good game', while Robert says 'oh, my bum'.

* Then there is the hunting scene, where a choir boy, Robert, pretends to be the pig and gets hunted by the other boys, and Jack barely lets anyone approach, as ''he literally goes on top of Robert, pulls at his hair and violently slaps his behind, [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding of something else entirely]]''.

* Then there is the hunting scene, where a choir boy, Robert, pretends to be the pig and gets hunted by the other boys, and Jack literally goes on top of him, pulls at his hair and spanks him, [[InterplayOfSexAndViolence the scene reminding of something else entirely]].

-->''Ralph sighed, sensing the rising antagonism, understanding that this was how Jack felt as soon as he ceased to lead..."I don't mind going," Jack said hotly. "I'll go when we get there. Won't you? Would you rather go back to the shelters and tell Piggy?" Now it was Ralph's turn to flush but he spoke despairingly, out of the new understanding that Piggy had given him. "Why do you hate me?" The boys stirred uneasily, as though something indecent had been said. The silence lengthened. Ralph, still hot and hurt, turned away first. "Come on." He led the way and set himself as by right to hack at the tangles. Jack brought up the rear, displaced and brooding.''
-->''When Ralph spoke again his voice was low, and seemed breathless. "What have I done? '''I liked him'''-and I wanted us to be rescued". Again the stars spilled about the sky. Eric shook his head, earnestly. "Listen Ralph. Never mind what's sense. That's gone-" "Never mind about the Chief-" "-you got to go for your own good."''

** at one point, Simon walks into a tree because he was staring at Ralph after Ralph smiled at him.

** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW4KalGfcDY The 63' movie scene]] made after this moment is even more explicit. Then again, the 63' movie is filled with almost-romantic moments between the two.

** Also, many couldn't help but notice how they act like a couple during the first part of the book, how Ralph always has expectations from Jack and is particularly upset with him when Jack doesn't respect his wish of keeping the fire lit, despite that it isn't only Jack's fault, but other kids' too.

** And there's also this:
-->''When Ralph spoke again his voice was low, and seemed breathless. "What have I done? '''I liked him'''-and I wanted us to be rescued". Again the stars spilled about the sky. Eric shook his head, earnestly. "Listen Ralph. Never mind what's sense. That's gone-" "Never mind about the Chief-" "-you got to go for your own good."''

-->''Ralph and Jack looked at each other while society paused about them. The shameful knowledge grew in them and they did not know how to begin confession. Ralph spoke first, crimson in the face. "Will you?" He cleared his throat and went on. "Will you light the fire?"''

--> ''They looked at each other, baffled, in love and hate.''
-->''All the warm salt water of the bathing pool and the shouting and splashing and laughing were only just sufficient to bring them together again.''

** Also, the fact that their dialogue resembles lovers' quarrels most of the time:

-->''Ralph sighed, sensing the rising antagonism, understanding that this was how Jack felt as soon as he ceased to lead..."I don't mind going," Jack said hotly. "I'll go when we get there. Won't you? Would you rather go back to the shelters and tell Piggy?" Now it was Ralph's turn to flush but he spoke despairingly, out of the new understanding that Piggy had given him. "Why do you hate me?" The boys stirred uneasily, as though something indecent had been said. The silence lengthened.''

** Don't forget how they use the term "do you" to mean "kill you" (because I seriously doubt that the LOTF wanted to "do" Simon in the way the language may suggest).

-->''When Ralph spoke again his voice was low, and seemed breathless. "What have I done? I liked him-and I wanted us to be rescued". Again the stars spilled about the sky. Eric shook his head, earnestly. "Listen Ralph. Never mind what's sense. That's gone-" "Never mind about the Chief-" "-you got to go for your own good."''

** Hell, even analyses from various books mention it:
-->''Meet Jack.[...]he loves shedding blood. Ralph he rather likes, and the liking is mutual. Piggy he despises and insults.''

* Simon and Ralph. But then again, with a book about a bunch of boys stranded on island for a period of time, HoYay is inevitable
* Jack and Ralph earlier on in the book.

** Which only escalates into FoeYay as the book commences.

--> ''They looked at each other, baffled, in love and hate.