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* Meta: Just the mere fact that we FINALLY have a huge AAA game with an LGBTQ protagonist is cause enough for celebration. But even better is the fact that this game strongly averts BuryYourGays with all of the LGBTQ characters surviving until the end contrary to a lot of popular media, and it includes a prominent trans character played by an actual trans actor. Even if some people took issue with how some of those characters were handled, it's difficult to argue that nevertheless it's a huge step forward in representation for gaming as a whole. Even better is the fact that it came out during Pride Month.
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** Yara, who hmust have had the same experience, also gets to play fetch with Alice.

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* For that matter, Lev and Yara's relationship. Yara tells Abby that she initially didn't understand, and given her upbringing, it would have been sad but not surprising if she'd reacted similarly hostile to Lev's coming out. Instead, by the time we see her for the first time, she's fully on Lev's side, ready to defend him to the death. And when she talks about him, she never once misgenders or deadnames him


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** Yara, who hmust have had the same experience, also gets to play fetch with Alice.
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** Third, Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby (the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest than anything else.

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** Third, Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby (the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her and her injuries look to be almost fully healed implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest than anything else.
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* Sometimes if Dina is spotted by an enemy she apologises to Ellie once they are safe and Ellie will always reassure her that it’s okay.
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** Third, Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby (the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest then anything else.

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** Third, Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby (the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest then than anything else.
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* If you look at Ellie's journal throughout the game, she's unable to draw Joel as she remembered him; the drawings are sketchy and rough, have no eyes and are scratched out. Her final journey entry, after sparing Abby, is a drawing of Joel fully drawn out, looking gentle and playing the guitar. Despite the bleakness of the ending, Ellie is finally able to remember Joel for who he was, without any anger or resentment.
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* The scene where Lev pets Alice is really sweet since all he might have known of dogs up til then was the [=WLF's=] attack dogs.
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** After Abby leaves Dina and Ellie, the time skip shows a much happier Abby and Lev finally reaching Santa Barbara. They, Abby especially given what happened the last time we see, are much more relaxed and it's suggested they've made peace with the past. Lev's hair has grown out, showing that he's been able to move on from his faith some.
** The happy looks on Abby and Lev's faces say so much when they've been able to successfully contact the Santa Barbara Fireflies.
** After completing the game, the title screen shows an empty boat on the shores of Catalina Island, with the iconic Catalina Casino in the background. Abby and Lev have *finally* achieved their goal of finding the Fireflies.
*** Venturing into TearJerker territory, by making it to the island, we can see how much growth Abby has a character. Although he's no longer around, Abby finally fulfills Owen's goal that she once so coldy dismissed.
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* The ending, at first glance, falls straight into TearJerker territory. However, some details that one may see throughout the final sequence hint that it's a lot less bleak than it seems.

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* The ending, at first glance, falls straight into TearJerker territory. However, some details that one may see throughout the final sequence hint that it's a lot less bleak than it seems. seems (Although it can still be disproven).
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* Despite Ellie becoming more stoic and violent there are still moments when she is her snarky likeable self from the first game again, no matter what happens she’ll always be the same Ellie that we knew from the first game.

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* Despite Ellie becoming more stoic and violent there are still moments when she is her snarky likeable self from the first game again, no matter what happens she’ll always be the same Ellie that we knew from the first game.
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* Despite Ellie becoming more stoic and violent there are still moments when she is her snarky likeable self from the first game again, no matter what happens she’s always be the same Ellie that we knew from the first game.

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!!The * Despite Ellie becoming more stoic and violent there are still moments when she is her snarky likeable self from the first game again, no matter what happens she’s always be the same Ellie that we knew from the first game.

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** The interactions with Ellie and Jesse are just as heartwarming. While Ellie is uncomfortable with how close Dina and Jesse are towards each other, she still treats him with respect and Jesse is pretty friendly to both of them. On top of being a nice guy, a week after he and Dina broke up Jesse teases Ellie about getting together with her with no grudge against her whatsoever. He even approves of the pairing and is very supportive of Dina and Ellie's relationship in general. And while his death is sad, Ellie's shocked reaction showed that she did care about him.
* Towards the end of "Seattle, Day 1", we're treated to a flashback of when Joel celebrated Ellie's 16th birthday by taking her to the well-kept remains of a museum themed with dinosaurs and space travel; two of Ellie's favorite things. Her and Joel's interactions throughout this part, culminating in Joel giving her a cassette with the voice over from the Apollo 11 launch, which Ellie listens and imagines along to while they sit in an Apollo era crew capsule, has already been lauded by many as being "several times more heartwarming" than the giraffe scene of the first game. Of course, the flashback equally counts for a TearJerker as well considering Joel being tragically dead in the present time.

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** The interactions with Ellie and Jesse are just as heartwarming. While Ellie is uncomfortable with how close Dina and Jesse are towards each other, she still treats him with respect and Jesse is pretty friendly to both of them. On top of being a nice guy, a week after he and Dina broke up Jesse teases Ellie about getting together with her with no grudge against her whatsoever. He even approves of the pairing and is very supportive of Dina and Ellie's relationship in general. And he even admitted to Ellie that he looked up to Joel. Lastly, while his death is sad, Ellie's shocked reaction showed that she did care about him.
* Towards the end of "Seattle, Day 1", we're treated to a flashback of when Joel celebrated Ellie's 16th birthday by taking her to the well-kept remains of a museum themed with dinosaurs and space travel; two of Ellie's favorite favourite things. Her and Joel's interactions throughout this part, culminating in Joel giving her a cassette with the voice over from the Apollo 11 launch, which Ellie listens and imagines along to while they sit in an Apollo era crew capsule, has already been lauded by many as being "several times more heartwarming" than the giraffe scene of the first game. Of course, the flashback equally counts for a TearJerker as well considering Joel being tragically dead in the present time.
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** Furthermore, Abby repaying Lev and Yara for saving her life by trekking across the Seraphites' bridges despite her fear of heights, battling scores of infected and a downright monster of an EliteZombie, all to get the medical supplies necessary to safely amputate Yara's damaged arm...and this act of kindness helps assuage her guilt over Joel's torturous death at her hands, allowing her to finally, ''finally'' have a dream where she sees her father alive and happy again. Though the two of them don't say anything before the scene cuts to black, [[SilenceIsGolden they don't need to]].
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-->'''Ellie''': I don't think I can ever forgive you for that. ...But I'd like to try.

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-->'''Ellie''': -->'''Ellie:''' I don't think I can ever forgive you for that. ...But I'd like to try.
-->'''Joel:''' ''(Holding back tears)'' ...I'd like that.
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* Towards the end of "Seattle, Day 1", we're treated to a flashback of when Joel celebrated Ellie's 16th birthday by taking her to the well-kept remains of a museum themed with dinosaurs and space travel; two of Ellie's favorite things. Her and Joel's interactions throughout this part, culminating in Joel giving her a cassette with the voice over from a rocket launch from the 60s, which Ellie listens and imagines along to while they sit in a space shuttle prop, has already been lauded by many as being "several times more heartwarming" than the giraffe scene of the first game. Of course, the flashback equally counts for a TearJerker as well considering Joel being tragically dead in the present time.

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* Joel and Ellie's final conversation sits between this and TearJerker. To begin, Joel is unconditionally supportive of Ellie's feelings for Dina.

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* Joel and Ellie's final conversation sits between this and TearJerker. To begin, Joel is unconditionally supportive of Ellie's feelings for Dina.
-->'''Joel''': I have no idea what that girl's intentions are. But I do know that she'd be lucky to have you.
** Which is so perfectly sweet, it enrages Ellie enough for her to finally clear the air about the Fireflies.
-->'''Ellie''': I was supposed to die in that hospital. My life would've fucking mattered. And you took that from me.
** Joel responds that even though Ellie disowned him, he is prepared to meet his maker without a shred of regret for saving her.
-->'''Joel''': If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment...[[PapaWolf I would do it all over again.]]
** Lastly, Ellie admits she's ready to have Joel back in her life. To prioritize her own life and happiness, just as Joel has, however dysfunctionally.
-->'''Ellie''': I don't think I can ever forgive you for that. ...But I'd like to try.
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** Third, Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby(the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest then anything else.

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* The ending is actually more heartwarming than it appears at first glance. People assume that Dina has left Ellie for good because her visiting the empty farm happens right after the final fight with Abby, but if you pay attention to a number of details you'll notice that's not necessarily the case-first off Ellie is dressed completely differently at the end then she was in Santa Barbara (I.E. wearing boots instead of her converse sneakers) and you can see she's put on weight which would only make sense if she was staying in someplace like Jackson with plenty of food, second Dina's portrait is noticeably missing from the art room despite everything else there being left intact, third Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby(the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest then anything else, fourth the fact that there's no note from Dina combined with all of the other previous details implies that she already had left a note earlier telling Ellie where she was and encouraging her to come back home, and finally Ellie is seen wearing Dina's bracelet in the end and she wasn't wearing it previously in Santa Barbara, and if you look in her backpack it's not there, which means Dina must have it which means Ellie did in fact reconcile with Dina after all and didn't lose everything like many players believed.

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* The ending is actually more heartwarming than it appears ending, at first glance. People assume glance, falls straight into TearJerker territory. However, some details that Dina has left Ellie for good because her visiting the empty farm happens right after one may see throughout the final fight with Abby, but if you pay attention to sequence hint that it's a number of details you'll notice that's not necessarily the case-first off lot less bleak than it seems.
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Ellie is dressed completely differently at the end then she was in Santa Barbara (I.E. wearing boots instead of her converse sneakers) and you can see she's put on weight which would only make sense if she was staying in someplace like Jackson with plenty of food, second food.
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Dina's portrait is noticeably missing from the art room despite everything else there there, I.E. things that remind Ellie of Joel, being left intact, third intact.
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the fact that there's no note from Dina combined with all of the other previous details implies that she already had left a note earlier telling Ellie where she was did eventually find and encouraging her to come back home, reconnect with Dina, or vice-versa.
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and finally most importantly, Ellie is seen wearing Dina's bracelet in the end and she ending. She wasn't wearing it previously in Santa Barbara, and if you look in her backpack it's not there, which means Dina must have it which means during said section, the bracelet is noticeably absent. All of this implies that Ellie did in fact reconcile with Dina may not have lost everything, after all and didn't lose everything like many players believed.
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* Towards the end of "Seattle, Day 1", we're treated to a flashback of when Joel celebrated Ellie's 16th birthday by taking her to the well-kept remains of a museum themed with dinosaurs and space travel; two of Ellie's favourite things. Her and Joel's interactions throughout this part, culminating in Joel giving her a cassette with the voice over from a rocket launch from the 60s, which Ellie listens and imagines along to while they sit in a space shuttle prop, has already been lauded by many as being "several times more heartwarming" than the giraffe scene of the first game. Of course, the flashback equally counts for a TearJerker as well considering Joel being tragically dead in the present time.

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* The ending is actually more heartwarming than it appears at first glance. People assume that Dina has left Ellie for good because her visiting the empty farm happens right after the final fight with Abby, but if you pay attention to a number of details you'll notice that's not necessarily the case-first off Ellie is dressed completely differently at the end then she was in Santa Barbera (I.E. wearing boots instead of her converse sneakers) and you can see she's put on weight which would only make sense if she was staying in someplace like Jackson with plenty of food, second Dina's portrait is noticeably missing from the art room despite everything else there being left intact, third Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby(the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest then anything else, fourth the fact that there's no note from Dina combined with all of the other previous details implies that she already had left a note earlier telling Ellie where she was and encouraging her to come back home, and finally Ellie is seen wearing Dina's bracelet in the end and she wasn't wearing it previously in Santa Barbera, and if you look in her backpack it's not there, which means Dina must have it which means Ellie did in fact reconcile with Dina after all and didn't lose everything like many players believed.
* While Joel's death is utterly heartbreaking it also means that he reunites with both Tess and his daughter Sarah in the afterlife.

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* The ending is actually more heartwarming than it appears at first glance. People assume that Dina has left Ellie for good because her visiting the empty farm happens right after the final fight with Abby, but if you pay attention to a number of details you'll notice that's not necessarily the case-first off Ellie is dressed completely differently at the end then she was in Santa Barbera Barbara (I.E. wearing boots instead of her converse sneakers) and you can see she's put on weight which would only make sense if she was staying in someplace like Jackson with plenty of food, second Dina's portrait is noticeably missing from the art room despite everything else there being left intact, third Ellie does not react as if this is her first time back to the Farm since the fight with Abby(the fact that she has absolutely no weapons on her implies that), which implies she's doing this more to finally put her memories of Joel to rest then anything else, fourth the fact that there's no note from Dina combined with all of the other previous details implies that she already had left a note earlier telling Ellie where she was and encouraging her to come back home, and finally Ellie is seen wearing Dina's bracelet in the end and she wasn't wearing it previously in Santa Barbera, Barbara, and if you look in her backpack it's not there, which means Dina must have it which means Ellie did in fact reconcile with Dina after all and didn't lose everything like many players believed.
* While Joel's death is utterly heartbreaking it also means that he reunites with both Tess and his daughter Sarah in the afterlife.

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