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** A cheap WomenInRefrigerators ploy, of course. They've been fairly misogynist in this expansion, [[UnfortunateImplications or so I feel]] (with one exception of a quest chain to keep male slaves of a matriarchy in The Storm Peaks in check, but [[MoralDissonance two wrongs don't make a right.]])

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** A cheap WomenInRefrigerators DisposableWoman ploy, of course. They've been fairly misogynist in this expansion, [[UnfortunateImplications or so I feel]] (with one exception of a quest chain to keep male slaves of a matriarchy in The Storm Peaks in check, but [[MoralDissonance two wrongs don't make a right.]])
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*** This was fixed as of Legion. The Pandaren language is now unified and can be used cross-faction, rather than there being a Pandaren Alliance and Pandaren Horde language... which made absolutely no sense at all.
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** Actually the Forsaken can use holy magic (well, at least the Light), it just hurts them like hell.

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** *** Actually the Forsaken can use holy magic (well, at least the Light), it just hurts them like hell.
** Classic case of GameplayAndStorySegregation. There's no story or plot reason that Tauren shadow priests would exist; but it's a gameplay mechanic that can't be removed without gimping the players that play that class.
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** Bolvar wanted somebody to lead the other Horsemen. The PC is now Deathlord and has greater responsibilities and whilst Darion fits the bill of having leadership experience, the other three Horsemen are relative newcomers to the Ebon Blade who may be willing to follow the chain of command but require an exceptional individual they'd be willing to have lead them (other than the PC). By having Darion sacrifice himself for their sake it solidifies their loyalty in him as a leader. Is it a stupid and convoluted plan? Absolutely, but that's Warcraft writing. On the other hand it's possible Bolvar genuinely did want Tirion - if we could get him - and Darion was the consolation prize. What's more absurd is how EVERY SINGLE DEATH KNIGHT forgot that Light's Hope is impossible to invade because of the spirits of the blessed under there who defeated the Lich King the last time he tried this shit.

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** Bolvar wanted somebody to lead the other Horsemen. The PC is now Deathlord and has greater responsibilities and whilst Darion fits the bill of having leadership experience, the other three Horsemen are relative newcomers to the Ebon Blade who may be willing to follow the chain of command but require an exceptional individual they'd be willing to have lead them (other than the PC). By having Darion sacrifice himself for their sake it solidifies their loyalty in him as a leader. Is it a stupid and convoluted plan? Absolutely, but that's Warcraft writing. On the other hand it's possible Bolvar genuinely did want Tirion - if we could get him - and Darion was the consolation prize. What's more absurd is how EVERY SINGLE DEATH KNIGHT forgot that Light's Hope is impossible to invade because of the spirits of the blessed under there who defeated the Lich King the last time two times he tried this shit.shit (both of which Darion was present for).
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** Bolvar wanted somebody to lead the other Horsemen. The PC is now Deathlord and has greater responsibilities and whilst Darion fits the bill of having leadership experience, the other three Horsemen are relative newcomers to the Ebon Blade who may be willing to follow the chain of command but require an exceptional individual they'd be willing to have lead them (other than the PC). By having Darion sacrifice himself for their sake it solidifies their loyalty in him as a leader. Is it a stupid and convoluted plan? Absolutely, but that's Warcraft writing. On the other hand it's possible Bolvar genuinely did want Tirion - if we could get him - and Darion was the consolation prize. What's more absurd is how EVERY SINGLE DEATH KNIGHT forgot that Light's Hope is impossible to invade because of the spirits of the blessed under there who defeated the Lich King the last time he tried this shit.
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** They apparently remembered enough to show a few plagued villagers by that large wall. The plague probably hasn't reached there yet but I'm surprised they haven't tried to contact them. They basically just sat back and did nothing, like the Swiss. And for all we know, that's probably why they haven't all become more of the 90 million undead Rogues that make up the horde.
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* Since his introduction in Mist of Pandaria, Wrathion was working to prepare Azeroth against the Burning Legion. Not only did Wrathion [[spoiler: try to built up the Alliance and the Horde]], he also [[spoiler: switched sides to the Alliance to try and annex the Horde]]. When that didn't work Wrathion [[spoiler: worked with Kairoz to break Garrosh out of the trial but send him back in time to form the Iron Horde]]. Despite this, when the Burning Legion is storming Azeroth again in greater numbers than ever before there is no sign of Wrathion. Where is he and why isn't he playing a more active role in fighting the Legion when they're actually here, though he spent over a year preparing for their arrival?

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* Since his introduction in Mist of Pandaria, Wrathion was working to prepare Azeroth against the Burning Legion. Not only did Wrathion [[spoiler: try to built up the Alliance and the Horde]], he also [[spoiler: switched sides to the Alliance to try and annex the Horde]]. Horde when Garrosh went mad with power]]. When that didn't work Wrathion [[spoiler: worked with Kairoz to break Garrosh out of the trial but and send him back in time to form the Iron Horde]]. Despite this, when the Burning Legion is storming Azeroth again in greater numbers than ever before there is no sign of Wrathion. Where is he and why isn't he playing a more active role in fighting the Legion when they're actually here, though he spent over a year preparing for their arrival?
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* Since his introduction in Mist of Pandaria, Wrathion was working to prepare Azeroth against the Burning Legion. Not only did Wrathion [[spoiler: try to built up the Alliance and the Horde]], he also [[spoiler: switched sides to the Alliance to try and annex the Horde]]. When that didn't work Wrathion [[spoiler: worked with Kairoz to break Garrosh out of the trial but send him back in time to form the Iron Horde]]. Despite this, when the Burning Legion is storming Azeroth again in greater numbers than ever before there is no sign of Wrathion. Where is he and why isn't he playing a more active role in fighting the Legion when they're actually here, though he spent over a year preparing for their arrival?
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* It's possible that [[spoiler: being killed and raised more than once saps the will and makes the undead more beholden to whoever reanimated them. Note how Anub'arak as a Crypt Lord seemed to despise the Lich King and his dying words as a dungeon boss were "(inarticulate roar) never thought I'd be free of him..." Then he comes back as a raid boss and his last words are "Master, I have failed you..."]] It could have been a move to make the Fourth Horseman more malleable to Bolvar's will as [[spoiler: the player character is named the Death Knight because Darion doesn't want to be the new Lich King's champion]]. Since it's heavily implied Bolvar has changed after becoming the Lich King it's possible he's making in roads to secure new agents; he outright says in the class mount quest if the player character Death Knight dies he'll happily take control of the Knights of the Ebon Blade.

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* ** It's possible that [[spoiler: being killed and raised more than once saps the will and makes the undead more beholden to whoever reanimated them. Note how Anub'arak as a Crypt Lord seemed to despise the Lich King and his dying words as a dungeon boss were "(inarticulate roar) never thought I'd be free of him..." Then he comes back as a raid boss and his last words are "Master, I have failed you..."]] It could have been a move to make the Fourth Horseman more malleable to Bolvar's will as [[spoiler: the player character is named the Death Knight because Darion doesn't want to be the new Lich King's champion]]. Since it's heavily implied Bolvar has changed after becoming the Lich King it's possible he's making in roads to secure new agents; he outright says in the class mount quest if the player character Death Knight dies he'll happily take control of the Knights of the Ebon Blade.
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* It's possible that [[spoiler: being killed and raised more than once saps the will and makes the undead more beholden to whoever reanimated them. Note how Anub'arak as a Crypt Lord seemed to despise the Lich King and his dying words as a dungeon boss were "(inarticulate roar) never thought I'd be free of him..." Then he comes back as a raid boss and his last words are "Master, I have failed you..."]] It could have been a move to make the Fourth Horseman more malleable to Bolvar's will as [[spoiler: the player character is named the Death Knight because Darion doesn't want to be the new Lich King's champion]]. Since it's heavily implied Bolvar has changed after becoming the Lich King it's possible he's making in roads to secure new agents; he outright says in the class mount quest if the player character Death Knight dies he'll happily take control of the Knights of the Ebon Blade.
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* So the Lich King [[spoiler:never planned on making Tirion the final Horseman, with the whole attack on Light's Hope Chapel being a ploy to 'kill' Darion Mograine and re-resurrect him as the fourth Horseman]]. My question is: why did Bolvar pull such an unnecessarily complex plan? [[spoiler:Unlike Nazgrim, Thoras and Sally, Darion was already undead, and was already a high-profile death knight. What's the point on having him die to resurrect him again? Couldn't he just take the position without dying? Couldn't he be convinced he really was the best choice for the leader of the Four Horsemen without offing him first?]]
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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying a [[EnemyMine evil]] (and, to some, also seductive) [[EldritchAbomination Old God]] [[LivingWeapon dagger]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness known for killing or abandoning people when it decides it doesn't need them]].

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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying a [[EnemyMine evil]] carrying an evil]], [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] (and, to some, also seductive) [[EldritchAbomination Old God]] [[LivingWeapon dagger]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness known for killing or abandoning people when it decides it doesn't need them]].
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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an [[EldritchAbomination Old God]] [[LivingWeapon dagger]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness known for killing or abandoning people when it decides it doesn't need them]] that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.

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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an a [[EnemyMine evil]] (and, to some, also seductive) [[EldritchAbomination Old God]] [[LivingWeapon dagger]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness known for killing or abandoning people when it decides it doesn't need them]] that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.them]].
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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an EnemyMine Old God dagger that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.

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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an EnemyMine [[EldritchAbomination Old God dagger God]] [[LivingWeapon dagger]] [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness known for killing or abandoning people when it decides it doesn't need them]] that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.
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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an Old God dagger that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.

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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an EnemyMine Old God dagger that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.
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* In World of Warcraft Warlocks and Demon Hunters need to keep themselves and their powers in check lorewise to prevent corruption. However, Shadow Priests study the Void, which is just as much, if not more, corrupting than fel (one examples is the troll priest Zan'do). The questions are do Shadow Priests need to check themselves to not become evil? Should (or are) Shadow Priests be given the same scrutiny in-universe as Warlocks? Especially since, as of Legion, Shadow Priest NPC's are running around carrying an Old God dagger that is a corrupting (and, to some, also seductive) influence.
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** This is elaborated on in ''Legion''. The Lich King copied val'kyr from an existing vrykul system of afterlife. Their creator specifically designed them to manipulate the souls of vrykul, meaning that effectiveness on other races was not important to include, and it seems the Lich King could only remedy that by propping them up with his own power. As for human worgen, the form is a curse of nature magic, which conflicts with necromancy and can offer protection, though it does have limits.

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* Why do PC Demon Hunters seem to have absolutely no problem controlling the dark power, even though Illidan himself and ''every'' Demon Hunter villain seems to have succumbed to it? Worgen, Death Knight, and Forsaken [=PCs=] have at least a few quests to address this sort of thing, but it seems no problem with Player Character PCs for an odd reason.
** It's stated during the Demon Hunter campaign that they are the strongest Demon Hunters bar Illidan and thus probably have more control. Given that Illidan consumed the Skull of Gul'dan which was an incredibly powerful demonic artifact, it's likely that he simply took in too much demonic power to contain. After all, unlike other Demon Hunters, Illidan appears to be permanently in his Metamorphosis form. Furthermore, most of the Demon Hunter villains didn't so much lose control as they lost sight of their purpose (defeating the Burning Legion at all costs) and joined the Legion in exchange for more power.

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* Why do PC Demon Hunters seem to have absolutely no problem controlling the dark power, even though Illidan himself and ''every'' Demon Hunter villain seems to have succumbed to it? Worgen, Death Knight, and Forsaken [=PCs=] have at least a few quests to address this sort of thing, but it seems no problem with Player Character PCs Characters for an odd reason.
** It's stated during the Demon Hunter campaign that they are the strongest Demon Hunters bar Illidan and thus probably have more control. Given that Illidan consumed the Skull of Gul'dan which was an incredibly powerful demonic artifact, it's likely that he simply took in too much demonic power to contain. After all, unlike other Demon Hunters, Illidan appears to be permanently in his Metamorphosis form. Furthermore, most of the Demon Hunter villains didn't so much lose control as they lost sight of their purpose (defeating the Burning Legion at all costs) and joined the Legion in exchange for more power. Most Demon Hunters don't join the Legion or lose control of their demons. While the PlayerCharacter is never shown struggling, one Demon Hunter in the starting area dies due to loss of control and another in Aszuna is shown renewing his tattoos to keep himself from losing control.
** Or maybe Blizzard realizes it wouldn't be very fun to play Demon Hunters if players had to regularly undergo maintenance to keep from dying/turning evil.
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** The Legion was literally inside the Vault of the Wardens at the time. If she left the Demon Hunters in their cells either they'd get killed in their cells out at best, or at worst, they'd be converted to serve the Legion (and as we see in the dungeon later on many have been). There was no circumstance where keeping them locked up would've worked out. In WC3 the Vault is still secure and Maiev isn't personally present. Tyrande also killed dozens of Maiev's watchers in the process which goes a long way to explaining why she was so furious and opted to let her die. This time she releases the Demon Hunter's on her terms. [[/folder]]

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** *** Tyrande killed dozens of Maiev's watchers in the process which goes a long way to explaining why she was so furious and opted to let her die later. In Legion she releases the Demon Hunter's on her terms. The Legion was literally inside the Vault of the Wardens at the time. and their defences were useless because of Cordana. If she left the Demon Hunters in their cells either they'd get killed in their cells out gutted helplessly at best, or at worst, they'd be converted to serve the Legion (and as we see in the dungeon later on many have been). There was no circumstance where keeping them locked up would've worked out. In WC3 the Vault is still secure and Maiev isn't personally present. Tyrande also killed dozens of Maiev's watchers in present, nor is the process which goes a long way to explaining why situation nearly as extreme. For all we know, Maiev might have released him if she had been there personally and the Legion was so furious and opted to let her die. This time she releases the Demon Hunter's on her terms.knocking at Illidan's cell. [[/folder]]
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** It's stated during the Demon Hunter campaign that they are the strongest Demon Hunters bar Illidan and thus probably have more control. Given that Illidan consumed the Skull of Gul'dan which was an incredibly powerful demonic artifact, it's likely that he simply took in too much demonic power to contain. After all, unlike other Demon Hunters, Illidan appears to be permanently in his Metamorphosis form. Furthermore, most of the Demon Hunter villains didn't so much lose control as they lost sight of their purpose (defeating the Burning Legion at all costs) and joined the Legion in exchange for more power.
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* Why do PC Demon Hunters seem to have absolutely no problem controlling the dark power, even though Illaden himself and ''every'' Demon Hunter villain seems to have succumbed to it? Worgen, Death Knight, and Forsaken [=PCs=] have at least a few quests to address this sort of thing, but it seems no problem with Player Character PCs for an odd reason.
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** The [[WatsonianVsDoylist Watsonian]] answer is probably that they are honoring Vol'jin's last command and/or believe that, despite her numerous flaws, she does have merit as a military leader and the middle of a massive Burning Legion invasion is not the time to be arguing over who gets to be in charge. The Doylist answer is that Blizzard is trying to quietly slip all of her past transgressions under the rug rather than actually address them in any meaningful way.
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** But GodzillaThreshold was the same reason Tyrande freed Illidan. Also, the Demon Hunters she frees are the most trusted servants of said person she deeply hates. Does that mean Maiev would forgive Tyrande for freeing Illidan? On that note, will the fanbase stop holding it against Tyrande?


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* Why did everyone else in the Horde accept Sylvanas as Warchief without so much as a word of protest from anyone in-universe? Even Lor'themar, who was her harshest critic there and has called her out before, makes no protest. Many in the Horde have seen Sylvanas' crimes firsthand (such as the Death Knight Kolitra who was imprisoned so she could brainwash him after he showed mercy and chivalry to Alliance forces and a fellow Death Knight, as well as the Orcs who saw Sylvanas use the Scourge Plague and lived to tell about it). At the very least one would think that ideas of what to do with Sylvanas after the Burning Legion (and maybe the Old Gods) is dealt with would appear in the game, but there's no sign of it.
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** Different circumstances. Maiev's always had a deep seeded hatred for Illidan, and didn't believe the Betrayer could be any help and would only make the current conflict worse for everyone. In ''Legion'' however, the Burning Legion was literally knocking down her doorstep. Her back was to the wall and so she chose to cross the GodzillaThreshold by recruiting some much needed backup with a talent against the demons.
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* In Legion Maiev frees the Demon Hunters claiming "I will do anything to save Azeroth." Yet when Tyrande freed Illidan, Maiev was furious, even leaving Tyrande to die when she was swept downriver, though Tyrande survived. Why is it good for Maiev to free the Illidari but not for Tyrande to free Illidan? Will Maiev forgive Tyrande or be a hypocrite? On that note, why does part of the fanbase revile Tyrande for freeing Illidan (especially since Illidan has become a well-loved character among the fanbase, which he never would've gotten the chance to do in-universe if Tyrande hadn't freed him) yet Maiev gets a pass for freeing the Illidari?
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** The general idea seems to be that unless your soul is "claimed" by one power or another, you're destined for the Shadowlands. Some of these forces that can bind souls to them are the Twisting Nether, the Emerald Dream, the (Holy) Light, [[spoiler:Elune]], or if you're really unlucky, you're soul will be stolen by some malevolent force to be used as fuel.
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The exception to this seems to be if you have some sort of benevolent (or not) deity snatch up your soul. Bradenbrand had the Naaru make him one with the Light, Maraad seems to be content getting housed in Auchindoun, Bwonsamdi apparently gets first dibs on Trolls who pay homage to him, etc.

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