History Headscratchers / VeganArtbook

* Why do the vegans keep twisting anti-vegan sentiment as [[http://archive.fo/BcxSk fighting anti-animal abuse efforts]]? It comes off as very manipulative to say the least, when it's really about how vegans act when getting their cause across and the problematic elements of veganism.

** Because, quite simply, in the eyes of the vegans in this comic, non-vegans ''are'' [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally inferior to vegans.]] Since the vegans can't see any reason anyone couldn't go vegan, even though such reasons do exist, they don't see themselves as intolerant, smug jerks, but as a righteous group just trying to save the animals. Bongo, as an omnivore, is therefore portrayed as the intolerant, smug jerk in this scenario, and nothing will change that for the vegans, for if any of them so much as brought up the idea that the omnivores aren't pure evil, they would be seen as excusing speciesism, and therefore shunned by the other vegans.

** Because, quite simply, in the eyes of the vegans in this comic, non-vegans ''are'' [[BlueAndOrangeMorality morally inferior to vegans.]] Since the vegans can't see any reason anyone couldn't go vegan, even though such reasons do exist, they don't see themselves as intolerant, smug jerks, but as a righteous group just trying to save the animals. Bongo, as an omnivore, is therefore portrayed as the intolerant, smug jerk in this scenario, and nothing will change that for the vegans, for if any of them so much as brought up the idea that the omnivores aren't pure evil, they would be see

* Why are we supposed to see Bongo as being the bad guy, when Yerdian's FictionalCounterpart makes a passive aggressive statement that [[http://archive.fo/r3RJR espouses how morally inferior non-vegans are to vegans]]? It doesn't help that fictional Yerdian says this with a [[BitchInSheepsClothing deceptively]] nice smile and gesture that really make her come off as [[HolierThanThou self-righteously]] [[SmugSnake smug]].

** Quite possibly a [[ImAHumanitarian cannibal]]; it would be consistent with the violence against non-vegans in the comic.

* If Sterk is not vegan, then what is he? He can't be a meat eater, since he threatens people who are non-vegan.

* Why do the vegans believe that all there is to non-vegan diets are fast food and that omnivores would starve without them?

* What is the point of [[http://archive.li/BvdcO this strip?]] No one is making any argument or clear point, so why take the time to draw it?

* ''When'' precisely did Dolly make the switch from omnivore to vegan? She spends much of the original Vegan Artbook flipping between trolling Shawn and getting trolled herself by other vegans.

* So Plausibell has been vegan since she was a young child, according to the old character biographies. In those same old biographies, it is said that Plausibell and Dolly are ChildhoodFriends. Okay. But then in the new character biographies, it is said that Dolly used to ''bully'' vegans with Shawn! How do those three facts add up? Did Shawn and Dolly avoid bullying Plausibell due to personal principle? Did Plausibell notice their bullying? Did she not care?

** Insulting teenagers by ''comparing them unfavorably to younger kids'' (seriously: you restrict an ''eight-year-old'' to one cookie; and that's if they're not that active), seemingly on the grounds that they [[BigEater eat more]], no less.  It's called a ''growth spurt'', Priya.

** Insulting teenagers by ''comparing them unfavorably to younger kids'', seemingly on the grounds that they [[BigEater eat more]], no less.  It's called a ''growth spurt'', Priya.

* What's the point of [[http://archive.is/2EYeg this strip?]] All it seems to be doing is insulting teenagers, and it has nothing to do with veganism.

* Isn't the cat in [[http://archive.is/eUXHW this comic]] Rohit's cat? What's it doing with Mike's omnivore relatives?

*** Besides (as explained on the [[WMG/VeganArtbook WMG page]]): that almost certainly ''wasn't'' actually Shawn, but Sterk impersonating him.

** A disturbingly large percentage of vegan rhetoric seems to fall back on making a pro-vegan statement (such as slaughterhouse footage requiring age verification, or humans not actually being omnivores) and expecting it to be taken at face value (and then, construct conspiracy theories around any evidence to the contrary.  (Ironically, this may be what allows the idea that veganism is "enlightenment" and "carnism" is a product of "ignorance" to thrive:  An ignorant—and very credulous—omnivore is less likely to fact-check, and thus more likely to be converted to veganism via disinformation...not to mention, to uncritically believe that ''all'' omnivores must therefore be just like they were.)  And, well...this comic is a stunning example of ''all'' of the above.

*** Besides, as explained on the [[WMG/VeganArtbook WMG page]], that was almost certainly Sterk impersonating Shawn.

*** Besides, as explained on the [[WMG/VeganArtbook WMG page]], that was clearly Sterk impersonating Shawn.

** Looking at the more recent comments, his actions, and for that matter, everyone else's actions in the comic, are considered non-canon in the context of her non-vegan centric works, where they all come from. Murdering all those animals and that girl was only done to point out the supposed absurdity of his argument. Basically, everyone's actions are based not on previously established characterization, but on making eating animal products look bad.

* I know [[StrawLoser Shawn]] has always been portrayed as being willing to kill livestock, but the fact he was shown willing to [[http://archive.is/T7N29 kill pets and a mentally disabled person]] in order to be seen as "consistent" is something that is way too [[OutOfCharacterMoment out of character]] for him to do. It would have made more sense if he tried to fail to defend his statement, and Azusa like many other of the [[CreatorsPet vegan characters]] came out winning the argument without actually being right.

* I know [[StrawLoser Shawn]] has always been portrayed as being willing to kill livestock, but the fact he was shown willing to [[http://archive.is/T7N29 kill pets and a mentally disabled person]] in order to be seen as "consistent" is something that is way too [[OutOfCharacterMoment out of character]] for him to do. It would have made more sense if he tried to fail to defend his statement, and Azusa like many other of the [[CreatorPet vegan characters]] came out winning the argument without actually being right.

* I know [[StrawLoser Shawn]] has always been portrayed as being willing to kill livestock, but the fact he was shown willing to [[http://archive.is/T7N29 kill pets and a mentally disabled person]] in order to be seen as "consistent" is something that is way too [[OutOfCharacterMoment out of character]] for him to do. It would have made more sense if he tried to defend his statement, then fail to do so.

** Looking at her [[http://archive.is/fjtz4 character description,]] she seems to prefer [[LaserGuidedKarma karmic retribution against "carnists"]], while the other vegans prefer attempting to educate the meat eaters, though their education is sometimes coupled with violence. The vegans are violent jerks, but Raziel seems to be even worse, technically making her more non-peaceful compared to the other vegans.

* Why is [[MisanthropeSupreme Raziel]] labeled [[InformedFlaw non-peaceful]] in comparison with her fellow vegans, when they have no problems with committing violence against anyone they disagree with?

* [[MisanthropeSupreme Raziel's]] status as the "non-peaceful vegan" comes off as a InformedFlaw, due to the fact that the rest of the cast seem to have no problem with committing violence against anyone that offends them, even though they say they are [[{{Hypocrite pacifistic]].

** While I'm sure it's accidental on Yerdian's part: it seems like [[StrawLoser Shawn]] and [[AlphaBitch Diva]]—all {{troll}}ing aside—probably still actually love their sisters. As for Brie/Plausibell and Dolly: it's difficult to say if they actually reciprocate it, but they probably feel ''particularly'' obligated to proselytize at family.

* Why do the vegans hang out with the omnivores anyways? The vegans consider the omnivores to be morally reprehensible, while the omnivores are humiliated and/or injured whenever they attempt to talk about diets with the vegans, so both groups should naturally try to avoid each other. Even if some omnivores have vegan relatives, they should have friends to hang out with that won't judge them like their vegan relatives do.

Why did [[https://pupaveg.deviantart.com/art/202-Extreme-693485167 one comic]] claim that you had to verify your age when looking at videos of animal slaughter? It's easy to look up and see that that statement isn't true, so did she claim it.