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*** The corset actually is probably fine. Anna is a princess, meaning she'd have her clothes made for her by professional seamstresses. As long as a corset is made for the wearer's body and applied properly, it's easy enough to move around in. Since Anna has no problems in it, we can assume it was custom made for her.


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** Quoth Anna "they seem almost desperate to finish off my family". Dracula likewise states that he wants Anna out of the way in case she wrecks his experiment to bring his children to life.


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** Carl's exposition says that Dracula was sent through a door from which there was no return. Then Anna says "and then the devil gave him wings". So there is no way back through the door until Dracula is killed.


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** And it should be noted that, up until extremely recently in the movie's run time, Dracula also had three brides who could fly and get the drop on any werewolf who might be attacking him. Werewolf attacks him? Verona, Marishka or Aleera can nab the cure and stab him from behind. Then all you're left with is a powerless human who's easy to finish off.


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** Dracula is getting especially desperate now that he's close to making his children live, so he's suddenly become more aggressive in taking out the last of the Valerious. Anna also doesn't want anyone's help, so she's likely not prepared to bring an innocent man into this to be the father of her children.


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** Because Anna is trying to do everything by herself. She's so guilt-ridden about the innocent lives lost trying to help her already that she doesn't want anyone to help her and risk getting hurt. Van Helsing is said to be the first one to kill a vampire in over a hundred years, so Anna likely thinks the rest of the villagers wouldn't stand a chance.


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** And werewolves are only lethal to Dracula for an hour on midnight of their first full moon. He just has to be protected for an hour, and then afterwards he has a powerful servant who will never turn on him.


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** Anna says that the vampires never attack in daylight, so the villagers weren't prepared for them. They were armed against apparently human intruders like Carl and Van Helsing. And Anna's first orders were for them to turn over their weapons. And for what it's worth, archery is a difficult skill to master, and in a chaotic village battle, you're likely to end up with more dead villagers from accidental hits.


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** And Dracula had already got Igor to defect, and he was the doctor's assistant, so they already had someone who knew how to work the machine mostly.


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** It's also said that Van Helsing is the first one to kill a vampire in over a hundred years, with even his gattling crossbow having little to no effect until he loaded it with holy water. They have good reason to be overconfident.


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** In the original novel, even after Dracula infected Mina and Lucy, it took them a long time to turn. It was at least a day for Lucy to rise from her grave. So if Victor were going to become a vampire, getting burned up in the windmill fire would have seen to that.


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** He wants to stick it to God and prove that he's not the only one who can create life.
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Answered the "Why did Igor..." question.



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** For the first question, Igor ''was'' trying to help Dracula, by getting the mob to chase the Monster down and corner it for them, but presumably he expected Dracula and the Brides to get there first before the villagers actually caught it, or he didn't expect the villagers to ''burn'' the monster, just corner it in the windmill. Second question could have multiple reasons, Dracula and the Brides only ''put'' the village under their thumb ''in response'' to losing the Creature at their hands, they underestimated the problem a bunch of "lowly bloodbags" could cause, or Dracula ''would'' have scared them off ''if'' the Monster hadn't been completed by then, and he didn't think he NEEDED Dr. Frankenstein then, or the Castle.
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Might HAVE, not might OF.


** If you realize that Anna is a woman in Victorian Europe as another troper noted above, the villagers might of been willing to help Velkan because they thought he was their last hope and the hero. When he failed not only do they think his sister isn't as capable, their spirits are broken and would rather live under the thumb of a tyrant than risk their lives following a princess.

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** If you realize that Anna is a woman in Victorian Europe as another troper noted above, the villagers might of have been willing to help Velkan because they thought he was their last hope and the hero. When he failed not only do they think his sister isn't as capable, their spirits are broken and would rather live under the thumb of a tyrant than risk their lives following a princess.
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** It's better than run barefoot in the woods after hungry werewolves and vampire brides.

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** It's better than run barefoot in the woods after from hungry werewolves and vampire brides.brides that want her dead.
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** It's better than run barefoot in the woods after hungry werewolves and vampire brides.
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* Why did Igor call out "Dr. Frankenstein!" at the beginning, he ''knew'' his real master, Dracula, needed the monster intact to enact his plan, but instead lead the mob right to it? For that matter, the village seems to have been under Dracula's thumb for quite a while, and it seems the Valerious family weren't really involved in storming Castle Frankenstein, couldn't Dracula or his brides have been a bit more proactive in making sure the village didn't attack Frankenstein?
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** Some stories depicting people in the process of becoming a werewolf/vampire/whatever suggest that it's making a first kill that renders them fully monstrous. Unfortunately for Anna, were-Van Helsing killing Dracula apparently counted for that purpose.
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** They're clearly relishing the chance to bite her when they have her cornered. Aleera taunts Anna [[spoiler: right before Anna stakes her]]. Basically they want to kill her dramatically.

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** They're clearly relishing the chance to bite her when they have her cornered. Aleera taunts Anna [[spoiler: right before Anna stakes her]].her. Basically they want to kill her dramatically.


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** The OP needs to re-watch the fight. It is ''incredibly'' short, and the first portion is solely Werewolf Van Helsing attacking Dracula, and dragging him down when he ''repeatedly tries'' to fly away and escape, Dracula only attacking initially and actually having the upper hand briefly before he tries to get out of range and presumably wait it out. The part where Van Helsing is a man is only one portion, where Dracula gives off ''severe'' SmugSnake vibes, apparently thinking NothingCanStopMeNow, and either intending to kill or talk down Van Helsing while the moon is covered, but it got uncovered a bit too quickly, and Van Helsing was able to get a single throat-tearing bite into Dracula's neck ''immediately'' after. At that point, it was well and truly over. Dracula pretty much barely fought, instead doing nothing ''but'' flying away from Van Helsing, only to overestimate his temporary opportunity to end the threat to his existence and leave himself open when things turned back in his opponent's favor.
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** It's a bit of a copout answer but for all his claims of having no emotion, Dracula clearly has a personal axe to grind when it comes to Van Helsing. He might be letting his frustration and desire for revenge override his self-preservation (which he doesn't entirely seem to value much in the first place, as he laments that he is "hollow and will live forever"). He does have scenes losing his temper several times throughout the movie. Not to mention the humiliation of running away from his greatest rival like a chump.

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** It's a bit of a copout answer but for all his claims of having no emotion, Dracula clearly has a personal axe to grind when it comes to Van Helsing. He might be letting his frustration and desire for revenge override his self-preservation (which he doesn't entirely seem to value much in the first place, as he laments that he is "hollow and will live forever"). He does have scenes losing his temper several times throughout the movie. Not to mention the humiliation of running away from his greatest rival like a chump.chump (from his own lair no less).
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** It's a bit of a copout answer but for all his claims of having no emotion, Dracula clearly has a personal axe to grind when it comes to Van Helsing. He might be letting his frustration and desire for revenge override his self-preservation (which he doesn't entirely seem to value much in the first place, as he laments that he is "hollow and will live forever"). He does have scenes losing his temper several times throughout the movie. Not to mention the humiliation of running away from his greatest rival like a chump.
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** As another note, it depends on ''how'' silver is fatal to werewolves. Some works have the idea that silver is the only thing that can pierce a werewolf's hide, but you'd still need to shoot it in a vital area to kill it, or you'd have to wait till it succumbs to its wounds. Even Velkan took hours to die after Van Helsing shot him with, presumably, silver stakes, as it was morning when he finally died. The cure will shortly remove the werewolf from the equation no matter where you sink the needle in, which is important when you're in the middle of combat.

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** As another note, it depends on ''how'' silver is fatal to werewolves. Some works have the idea that silver is the only thing that can pierce a werewolf's hide, but you'd still need to shoot it in a vital area to kill it, or you'd have to wait till it succumbs to its wounds. Even Velkan took hours to die after Van Helsing shot him with, presumably, silver stakes, bullets, as it was morning when he finally died. The cure will shortly remove the werewolf from the equation no matter where you sink the needle in, which is important when you're in the middle of combat.
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** As another note, it depends on ''how'' silver is fatal to werewolves. Some works have the idea that silver is the only thing that can pierce a werewolf's hide, but you'd still need to shoot it in a vital area to kill it, or you'd have to wait till it succumbs to its wounds. The cure will shortly remove the werewolf from the equation no matter where you sink the needle in, which is important when you're in the middle of combat.

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** As another note, it depends on ''how'' silver is fatal to werewolves. Some works have the idea that silver is the only thing that can pierce a werewolf's hide, but you'd still need to shoot it in a vital area to kill it, or you'd have to wait till it succumbs to its wounds. Even Velkan took hours to die after Van Helsing shot him with, presumably, silver stakes, as it was morning when he finally died. The cure will shortly remove the werewolf from the equation no matter where you sink the needle in, which is important when you're in the middle of combat.
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** As another note, it depends on ''how'' silver is fatal to werewolves. Some works have the idea that silver is the only thing that can pierce a werewolf's hide, but you'd still need to shoot it in a vital area to kill it, or you'd have to wait till it succumbs to its wounds. The cure will shortly remove the werewolf from the equation no matter where you sink the needle in, which is important when you're in the middle of combat.
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* Why doesn't Dracula just fly away during any of the periods when Van Helsing turns back into a man? He can fly, werewolves can't, and in just a short period of time he'll be able to control Helsing like he's controlled every other werewolf. Plus, he was clearly losing during the periods when Helsing was a werewolf. He gets multiple chances to salvage the situation by simply flying off, and he never does.
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** The initial plan probably wasn't to kill the werewolf on the spot, but to capture it alive and ''interrogate'' it once it reverted to human form. Velkan talks to himself while he's posed "helpless" on the stake, and his words imply that he wants to find out why Dracula had sent the werewolf out, in the first place. Just killing it out-of-hand wouldn't answer that question, and the silver bullets only become a necessary recourse when their attempt to trap it in the pit and cage it went all wrong.



*** Also, Helsing regularly goes up against hulking monsters. His knockout darts are probably designed to knock out creatures much larger than a human.

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*** Also, Van Helsing regularly goes up against hulking monsters. His knockout darts are probably designed to knock out creatures much larger than a human.
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** In the original story, Frankenstein's goal was to find a way to resurrect the dead so that he could bring his wife back to life. The Monster was only a prototype for this. Since Dracula was funding his research, Frankenstein didn't seem to realise the extent of Dracula's monstrous plan. Perhaps Dracula told him that with his research, he could cure vampires such as himself and his brides and it wasn't until later that Frankenstein realised he intended to bring still-born vampires to life.

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** In the original story, Frankenstein's goal was to find a way to resurrect the dead so that he could bring his wife back to life. The Monster was only a prototype for this. Since Dracula was funding his research, Frankenstein didn't seem to realise the extent of Dracula's monstrous plan. Perhaps Dracula told him that with his research, he could cure vampires such as himself and his brides and it wasn't until later that Frankenstein realised he intended to bring still-born vampires to life.
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* Carl never said "As the clock strikes 12." He says "After the first stroke of midnight." Van Helsing could have taken a whole hour to kill Dracula, as long as he bit him before 1:00.

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* ** Carl never said "As the clock strikes 12." He says "After the first stroke of midnight." Van Helsing could have taken a whole hour to kill Dracula, as long as he bit him before 1:00.
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* Carl never said "As the clock strikes 12." He says "After the first stroke of midnight." Van Helsing could have taken a whole hour to kill Dracula, as long as he bit him before 1:00.
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** Or perhaps it follows the lore that vampires need to drain them, then make them imbibe the vampires blood, it's a way for most vampire stories to avoid this exact question, the whole vampirism being TheVirus, caused by just being bit is actually quite a recent thing media timeline-wise.
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*** Also, Helsing regularly goes up against hulking monsters. His knockout darts are probably designed to knock out creatures much larger than a human.
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** Not to mention, just because he wasn't being controlled by Dracula doesn't mean that he was able to control himself as a werewolf. Van Helsing in his wolf form was extremely vicious, and while obviously that's what got the job done there's nothing to say that he wouldn't have attacked Anna just as quickly as Dracula if she'd gotten into the room earlier.
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** It was going to be made even more explicit with a scene of Van Helsing taking his shirt off facing away from Anna and she was to notice he has two large scars at his shoulder blades.

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