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* The book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) had me scratching my head twice:
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* The book "Milwaukee After Dark" By Night" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) had me scratching my head twice:
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*** Wrong. That was Saulot's plan:[[spoiler: Destroying Tzimsice from inside, who would otherwise be the ultimate victor of Gehenna, by giving enough time to the players to invoke the power of WoD God through Humanity Fuck Yeah, and channel it to Tzimsice through Saulot. Saulot is apperantly the Lamb of God, and channels His wrath, destroying Tzimsice utterly.]]
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*** Wrong. That was Saulot's plan:[[spoiler: Destroying plan: [[spoiler:Destroying Tzimsice from inside, who would otherwise be the ultimate victor of Gehenna, by giving enough time to the players to invoke the power of WoD God through Humanity Fuck Yeah, and channel it to Tzimsice through Saulot. Saulot is apperantly the Lamb of God, and channels His wrath, destroying Tzimsice utterly.]]
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*** Wrong. That was Saulot's plan:[[spoiler:Destroying Tzimsice from inside, who would otherwise be the ultimate victor of Gehenna, by giving enough time to the players to invoke the power of WoD God through Humanity Fuck Yeah, and channel it to Tzimsice through Saulot. Saulot is apperantly the Lamb of God, and channels His wrath, destroying Tzimsice utterly.]]
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*** Wrong. That was Saulot's plan:[[spoiler:Destroying plan:[[spoiler: Destroying Tzimsice from inside, who would otherwise be the ultimate victor of Gehenna, by giving enough time to the players to invoke the power of WoD God through Humanity Fuck Yeah, and channel it to Tzimsice through Saulot. Saulot is apperantly the Lamb of God, and channels His wrath, destroying Tzimsice utterly.]]
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**** Wrong. That was Saulot's plan:[[spoiler:Destroying Tzimsice from inside, who would otherwise be the ultimate victor of Gehenna, by giving enough time to the players to invoke the power of WoD God through Humanity Fuck Yeah, and channel it to Tzimsice through Saulot. Saulot is apperantly the Lamb of God, and channels His wrath, destroying Tzimsice utterly.]]
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** It's part of the Camarilla's myopic hypocrisy. They have their Traditions, their vampire laws, and do anything to prop them up, including publishing translated compilations of recovered fragments of the Book of Nod, supposedly written by Caine himself, and portraying the Traditions as his personal vampire laws, to give them extra legitimacy, since they were handed down by vampiric God himself. But those Antediluvians? Pa, fairy tales. . . never mind that the whole last third of the most complete Book of Nod is nothing but prophecies about the time the Antediluvians rise and start killing everyone.
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** VillainDecay. The Sabbat were originally pure antagonists, so their "Fuck the Masquerade" mentality worked. Players started finding them more interesting than the DesignatedHero Camarilla, so they were retooled to be playable, and the emphasis on discarding the Camarilla Traditions was downplayed to keep the game from breaking wide open.
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** In game terms, if memory serves, a cow, notably larger than a human, has five blood points, ''half'' what an adult human has. ''That's'' how UN-nourishing animal blood is.
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** Like many V:tM headscratchers, you can dismiss it by saying [[AWizardDidIt it's a magic-related]]. Just like another Lasombra, Marcus Vitel, who had a magic clasp that negated his clan weakness. [[GameBreaker Try to think about that for a second]].
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** Like many V:tM headscratchers, you can dismiss it by saying [[AWizardDidIt it's a magic-related]]. Just like another Lasombra, Marcus Vitel, who had a magic clasp that negated his clan weakness. [[GameBreaker Try to think about that for a second]].
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** Like many V:tM headscratchers, you can dismiss it by saying [[AWizardDidIt it's a magic-related]]. Just like another Lasombra, Marcus Vitel, who had a magic clasp that negated his clan weakness. [[GameBreaker Try to think about that for a second]].
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* It bugs me that in oWoD VtM, there was any doubt about the existence of Antediluvians. Two clans came up out of nothing through Ante diablerie in the last few hundred years, and a major faction is saying "yes, they're out there, controlling us". So why does the Camarilla deny their existence to a man?
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* It bugs me that in oWoD VtM, [=VtM=], there was any doubt about the existence of Antediluvians. Two clans came up out of nothing through Ante diablerie in the last few hundred years, and a major faction is saying "yes, they're out there, controlling us". So why does the Camarilla deny their existence to a man?
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*** I hate to unsolve this problem because that is a good answer, and works for vampires in the Blade or Underworld universes who are harmed by UV light......but Kindred aren't. As shown in the video game, [[VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines Bloodlines]], UV light doesn't hurt them, it is a magical curse.
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*** I hate to unsolve this problem because that is a good answer, and works for vampires in the Blade or Underworld universes who are harmed by UV light......but Kindred aren't. As shown in the video game, [[VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines [[VideoGame/VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines Bloodlines]], UV light doesn't hurt them, it is a magical curse.
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** Level 1 Thaumaturgy Ritual "Brand" makes tattoos permanent by pouring molten silver over it while incantating.
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* According to the Clan Novel Saga, Lasombra signature character Lucita has a tattoo in the shape of a black rose on her breast. How is this supposed to work? Lucita was a medieval Aragonese princess, tightly surveilled by her father and his retainers. She couldn't exactly run off one night to get a tattoo during her mortal days. But modifications made to the Kindred body disappear within the night, or within days, at most.
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*** Animal blood gives a lot less energy than human. I for get the actual rules but basically you need to drink much more from an animal to get one blood point. As such you have to be pretty dedicated to feed on animals only, since you'll need to spend a lot longer each night feeding. Also the Beast wants human blood; stick to animal and it's harder to fight off.
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*** The Sabbat internal logic seems to go "eventually we will rule over the pathetic humans openly but right now we're fighting the Camarilla so best not start a war on two fronts." Tacitly admitting that humans are genuinely threatening but hypocrisy is part and parcel of the Sabbat. Note that they rail against the elder oppression of the Camarilla while mostly doing that their elders say anyway.
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** The Sabbat unofficially agree with the Masquerade in principle, as they've also seen first-hand what happens when the kine are riled up, but they still hold the Camarilla and their methods in contempt - as much because of old hatreds between specific clans (like the Ventrue and Lasombra, or Tzimisce and Tremere) as actual philosophical differences. The Sabbat see the whole structure of the Camarilla as a giant pack of puppets serving the elders and maybe even the Antediluvians, and the fixation on Humanity as a weakness. Plus, for all the Sabbat go on about their contempt for the Masquerade, at the end of the day they're all still territorial, paranoid, opportunistic predators who can't help but ultimately be hypocrites forced by their nature to play some of the same games for which they condemn others. Though they'll still occasionally violate the Masquerade just to make the Camarilla waste time and resources covering it up.
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* At various points, it's made clear that the Sabbat supposedly hold the Masquerade in contempt, considering it cowardly to hide from 'inferior' humans. If such is the case, and the Sabbat control large portions of North and South America, how can the Masquerade still exist? Just how long could the Camarilla keep it hidden from the rest of the world if packs of Sabbat were regularly and openly using their supernatural powers and doing as they pleased with their victims in the streets of places like Mexico City, where the Camarilla can do nothing to stop them? I seem to recall some fluff about how the Sabbat are hypocrites and, in practice, maintain a Masquerade while pretending to be above it, but it seems like such an absolutely critical part of Cainite existence, and so tricky to maintain without special efforts to maintain it, that an 'informal understanding' simply wouldn't cut it.
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**** Humans don't forget the whole experience, just the specifics. Vampire uses the 'being fed on feels like sex' schtick, and humans are left with vague memories of a very pleasant experience. Some like it so much they keep coming back for more, and form a Herd.
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*** The Camarilla are all like, 'Yeah, those guys DID exist, but they're all dead now. Isn't that what the Sabbat did? Kill the last ones? Yeah, and please don't worry about the Giovanni or the Tremere. They did us a big FAVOUR for taking down those jerks. Now get back to polishing my collection of skulls!'
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*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time.
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*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time. time.
**** Okay, thanks for clearing these things up for me, but that leaves me with another question. If mortals don't remember being fed on, then how do some vampires have a "herd" of the same humans who they feed on over and over? How can a mortal join a herd if each time they're fed on they forget afterward?
**** Okay, thanks for clearing these things up for me, but that leaves me with another question. If mortals don't remember being fed on, then how do some vampires have a "herd" of the same humans who they feed on over and over? How can a mortal join a herd if each time they're fed on they forget afterward?
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** The section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade?
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** The section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Masquerade?
*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time.
*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time.
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*** Human vitae is much richer and tastier than animal.
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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade?
Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
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**The section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break theMasquerade?
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**In chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
**The section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the
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**In chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Masquerade?
Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
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*** You're assuming that everyone knew that Fourteenth gen was the Official Beginning of the Thin-Bloods (tm). It's pretty easy to imagine a progress culling- say, everyone assume Eighth gen are the new thin-bloods, being unable to use six-dot disciplines, and there is a mass slaughter until enough Eighth-gen vampires slip through the crack to become the new normal. Then, everyone starts picking on the Ninth gen....
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** Because once moonlight reaches Earth, it is weakened '''over two hundred thousand times.'''[[hottip:*:The Moon is a convex spherical mirror and reflects incoming sunlight as though it comes from a point on the depth of ''half'' the Moon's radius. So, the focal distance is f, Moon's radius r=2f, the ''Earth's radius'' R=(ca.)=4r=8f, and the Earth-Moon-Distance D=(ca.)=60R=480f; The distance from the focus to the Earth's surface is then F=D-(r-f)-R=480f-f-8f=471f. The sunlight coming on '''1''' square cm or in of moon surface is then dispersed on 471*471=221841, and the intensity of the light diminishes accordingly.]] Wouldn't cause even bashing.
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** Because once moonlight reaches Earth, it is weakened '''over two hundred thousand times.'''[[hottip:*:The '''[[note]]The Moon is a convex spherical mirror and reflects incoming sunlight as though it comes from a point on the depth of ''half'' the Moon's radius. So, the focal distance is f, Moon's radius r=2f, the ''Earth's radius'' R=(ca.)=4r=8f, and the Earth-Moon-Distance D=(ca.)=60R=480f; The distance from the focus to the Earth's surface is then F=D-(r-f)-R=480f-f-8f=471f. The sunlight coming on '''1''' square cm or in of moon surface is then dispersed on 471*471=221841, and the intensity of the light diminishes accordingly.]] [[/note]] Wouldn't cause even bashing.
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*** Page 232 of the Revised Edition, "Fortunately for vampires, the light reflected from the moon is not strong enough to inflict any serious damage, though some suffer the equivalent of mild sunburn if they are exposed to the light of a full moon and aren't wearing any protective gear." Page 302, under the Light Sensitive Flaw "...and the light of the moon can cause lethal damage in a mannar similar to the sun...."
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*** I hate to unsolve this problem because that is a good answer, and works for vampires in the Blade or Underworld universes who are harmed by UV light......but Kindred aren't. As shown in the video game, [[VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines Bloodlines]], UV light doesn't hurt them, it is a magical curse.
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** Most people seem to think Saulot was trying to pull off a giant XanatosGambit by allowing the Tremere to rise to power. Three of the endgame scenarios in Gehenna have Saulot saving the world with the party's help, and the other one makes all the ancient's games rather irrelevant.
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*** UV Light...blame UV light...UV light doesn't reflect off the moon, its to weak to do so as its short wave light energy and not long wave like actual photons. There you go, vampire problem solved.
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**** Well, sure. But the point is Vampires are hurt by the sun and not the moon because that is the way the curse works. The nature of sunlight or moonlight doesn't enter into it.
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** Because that is part of the [[MageTheAscension [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Paradigm]].
