History Headscratchers / Torchwood

** '''Smallworld''': I don't think that having the team blaming Jack is being idiots, just pissed off because they couldn't save the girl. But I still calll them idiots for hating him when the fairies threatened to destroy Earth if they didn't give them the girl. I mean, seriously guys? Would you rather kill all humankind because of a single little girl?

**** If Grey died, TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot. It seems to reason that Jack would go to some measure to have a backup plan to protect Gray if the Hub was compromised, maybe an emergency teleport or a special vault impregnable to explosive attack. And what about [[TeamPet Myfawny]] and Janet the Weevil? Myfawny can get a HandWave- as a pterodactyl, she could merely come and go as she pleased by flying in or out of the base.

*** According to RTD, the Rift was closed by the 11th Doctor wheen he [[spoiler: closed the other cracks in time and restarted the universe in ''The Big Bang'']]

** A radio drama broadcast prior to ''Miracle Day'' revealed that Jack sealed it shut with some bomb.

* When the Hub blew up in "COE: Day One", what happened to Gray? If he died, well, I can't help but declare TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot. It seems to reason that Jack would go to some measure to have a backup plan to protect Gray if the Hub was compromised, maybe an emergency teleport or a special vault impregnable to explosive attack. And what about [[TeamPet]] Myfawny and Janet the Weevil? Myfawny can get a HandWave- as a pterodactyl, she could merely come and go as she pleased by flying in or out of the base.

** we know terrorists exist does that mean every body would be OK with MI6 blatantly riding
roughshod over people's lives and rights to stop it?

** Even without Jack's leadership Torchwood has been known for screwing up before [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS2E12ArmyOfGhosts The Battle Of]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS2E13DoomsDay Canary Wharf]] can attest to that.

*** Jack was [EvilAllAlong Evil All Along] or at least doing a Face/Heel Turn. He had advance knowledge that he'd be forced to sacrifice his grandson so he decided to go along with the course of events to create a fixed-point disaster (the Hub destruction) whereby he could return to his old con-man routine selling the whereabouts of the Crown's alien tech. It hasn't all been destroyed by a measly bomb. It's been salvaged to the highest bidder. The fixed point disaster is also a convenient way to dispose of Grey with plausible deniability to whatever Power that gave Grey a Level in Time Travel. Jack will never be the Hero that Barrowman wishes he were. In fact the ambiguity of the YANA message that The Face of Boe gives the Doctor doesn't give him any heads up that Dr. Yana is The Master, but in being ambiguous and insuring the success of The Master, definitely serves to secure the repair of Jack's Vortex Manipulator. He is a con-man with his dying breath.

* In the episode ''Captain Jack Harkness'', was the romance between Our Jack Harkness and Original Jack Harkness a case of Original Jack meeting his ClosetKey or Original Jack being a knowingly StraightGay man being coaxed out of his iron clad Closet that he had been forced to spent his entire life in due to being born in the 1920's? I say B, but literally everyone I talk to about it say A and make jokes about Jack Harknesses proveses.
** I always took it as a mixture of both. Original Jack had just never met someone keen and bold enough to pick up on his closely guarded feelings (being both in the 1920's AND the Military), but always knew he was "different"

***** She was on honeymoon in the parallel universe where ''LawAndOrderUK'' is set. Very hard to reach by phone.

* I'm the only one who thinks that the entire team is full of idiots and that they could have destroyed Earth 5 times an episode? Let's just make a brief recount of what they do wrong:

* In "They Keep Killing Suzie" I can believe that Suzie set off a [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning plan]] to get the others to revive her in the event of her death. The problem is, though, that aside from Suzie none of the others can really work the glove [[XanatosRoulette so her cunning plan depends on them hiring someone new who ''can.'']] And then, of course, there's the fact that the experienced Suzie at her best could only manage two minutes so what made her believe that she'd be brought back for longer even if she was deliberately "panicking" and not helping? Even if she knew that the glove could trade lives, which she seemed to, it seemes like it only happened because Gwen was hellbent on getting answers out of her and anyone new besides Gwen wouldn't have. In fact, the rest of the team didn't seem inclined to. So how could Suzie possibly have predicted that she'd manage to be brought back to life for longer than two minutes and that the bleeding-heart in question would smuggle her out of the Hub? It all seems highly unlikely. And then, of course, there's the question of why she'd be so eager to set up ways to bring herself back when her suicide was highly unnecessary in the first place.

* I'm the only one who thinks that the entire team is full of idiots and that they could have destroyed Earth 5 times an episode? Let's just make a brief recount of what they do wrong:

** "Everything Changes": They resurrect a dead guy without making sure that they can't be seen by anyone, which fails when Gwen watched them from a floor above them.
** "Day One": They send Owen and leave him alone and without vigilance (Something they did when Gwen got affected because girl on girl is hot) with an alien possesing a girl who already killed some guys by having sex with them.
** "Ghost Machine": Gwen uses the strange device they just reassembled without knowing what it really does (It's an alien artifact. It may look as a salt pot and be a nuclear bomb), and at the end of the chapter, Sean (The thief) goes to the street where he said that he saw himself covered in blood and dead. Seriously man, if you believe that you're going to die out there, THEN DON'T GO! Yeah, he managed to fight fate, but if I didn't know that, I would have done everything I could to avoid that.
** "Cyberwoman": My first question is HOW THE HECK DID IANTO MOVE HIS ANDROID GIRLFRIEND AND THE MACHINE THAT TURNED HER INTO A HALF ROBOT WITHOUT ANYONE NOTICING? I can believe that he brought the machine in pieces, but how did he bring her without anyone noticing? Second, why didn't they find about this earlier? I would think that an organization like this would make regular inspections on their rooms to check if there's anything wrong or missing (Such an important place and even a wet cardboard box has more security than them).
** "Smallworld": I don't think that having the team blaming Jack is being idiots, just pissed off because they couldn't save the girl. Aside from that, no idiots here.
** "Countrycide": In my opinion I wouldn't give a fuck about why the villagers were cannibals, but yeah, I suppose that it's normal that she would want to learn the truth.
** "Greek Bearing Gifts": Tosh got laid with a woman who really was a criminal alien who lied to her, killed a lot of people and wanted to go back to her planet to avoid punishment. Alright, she didn't knew that at the time, but she's still an idiot for bringing her to Torchwood without telling anyone so she could get back her teleporter and go back home. Anyone else would think it's dangerous because she could use you to steal anything important and/or dangerous, but as I exposed, the guys from Torchwood are idiots.
** "They keep killing Suzie": This goes for Gwen, as she not only feels responsible for killing Suzie (That bitch deserved it for killing people and later commiting suicide), but also takes her out of their secret base to meet her father (It doesn't really matters because she was already dead and was temporaly alive) and almost died in the process. I'm the only one who thinks that she deserved to die for being too dumb to live?

** Jack never said "official first contact," he said and I quote "the 21st century is when everything changes and you've gotta be ready" - several times, might I add. Everything changes could refer to some global catastrophe or [[HarryPotter the Minister of Magic charming 10 downing street to glow rainbow colors]] just as easily as it could refer to first contact. And in case that's not enough for you - in [[Series/DoctorWho ''Aliens of London'']] the Doctor seems to make a clear distinction between official first contact and the myriad of alien invasions that have happened to the Earth. Perhaps an invasion doesn't count as first contact and Torchwood has never been seen to deal with a ''benevolent'' alien or groups thereof anyway.

***** Well Jack is one of the few people who know enough to run things (particularly since the Slitheen killed off UNIT's top boffins) and BTW no, there is no one, not even [[HarryPotter the minister for magic]], the head of the [[DanBrown Illuminati]] or [[SantaClaus Father Freaking Christmas]] who has control over them except perhaps Her Majesty Elizabeth II. The Prime Minister is not even supposed to know they exist! Or to put it another way they are the layer of the system that exclusively does the watching.

* Why establish Ianto as a [[spoiler:habitual liar]] when it can't be explained? [[spoiler:Are we supposed to just pin it on a lack of self-confidence since he was quiet? All the Torchwood staff lie out of necessity (even if their job is a [[TheNotSecret Not Secret]]) so is it really so shocking that Ianto maybe threw an extra one to boost his image. It's a sizeable fib, but it doesn't constitute a pathology.]]

*** Doesn't Jack at one point say, in response to someone [[LampShading asking him what that means]] that he honestly just [[RuleofCool thinks it sounds good]]?