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*At one point a character says "I'm STARVING!" and is quickly reprimanded, because no one in the world is starving or ever will be, and he should say hungry instead. Okay. Then who taught this boy the meaning of the word starving? Why expose children to words they will never have any concept of or USE for? Starvation does not exist in this world and saying it all implies that it could. And that is big nono in the society. This happens again, I believe, when Jonas talks about 'love' with his family and they tell him it is not appropriate, they only care for each other. I understand that Jonas is privileged with strange concepts because of his gift, but the people around him are still aware of these words and concepts as well. Why would a society uprooting all negativity teach negative or undesirable concepts to the people..?
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** Receivers of Memory have access to books, so perhaps she read medical literature to teach herself to do it in preparation for her suicide. She may have also received memories from a nurse or doctor or other professional who would know how to do this.
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** Perhaps the Community lets citizens get away with tiny infractions to give the illusion of being less oppressed. This troper also got the idea that the speakers were rarely actually monitored. . . just the idea of never being able to be sure that no one was listening, except for the Receiver, was enough to make the point.
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* The Community has speakers monitored by someone, that can't be turned off (well, except for the Giver's), then why didn't Jonas's dad get in trouble for learning Gabe's name?
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***Maybe the meat comes from a source closer to home. after all, it is never explicitly stated what happens to people's bodies after they are released...
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** They've aged up Jonas. His actor is early twenties, and Taylor Swift is playing Rosemary. And the film is in full color. I am apprehensive.
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*** Most girls aren't ready to carry a pregnancy at 12. Their bodies just aren't grown enough. It's too risky. I'd highly doubt they'd risk it.
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** This troper remembers reading the book in sixth grade and concedes that a lot of the themes and implications went right over my head. Obviously everyone is different but the book does seem like an odd choice given how abstract it's execution is.
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** It is mentioned that they do volunteer work before becoming 12, so maybe she volunteered at a medical place and could do that sort of thing?
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** Actually a form of Truth in Television, surprisingly -- Similar to the mental block suggestion above, it turns out that if people never hear of colors when they're young, they can never see any color for the rest of their life (Example: A real life girl never heard of the word "blue" until she was about 5, and ended up always saying that the sky was white, for instance). I always figured that the reason Jonas wasn't really able to see color before but was later was because he was getting the memories of young kids who did know about colors to make up for his lack of formative memories and gradually incorporating them into his psyche. This would also be why the Giver was slowly losing his ability to see color, because he was giving all the formative memories of toddlers seeing colors to Jonas. About Jonas's "Seeing Beyond," I wasn't quite sure why that would have been happening when he was younger, but I do know that red (like the apple) is actually one of the first colors that cultures as a whole recognize.
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** Maybe those assigned to be Pilots are given color vision. Remember how Jonas wondered if anyone else got the "You are allowed to lie" rule in their folders and then found out that his dad lied to him about what really happened when he released the twin? Maybe others are given special qualities but are told to lie in order to keep the peace.
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*** She did, but she asked to inject herself rather than letting the worker inject her. And she did.
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***If the birthmothers are impregnated via IVF, fraternal twins or triplets could be produced intentionally. IVF would also allow the Community to genetically screen/engineer embryos for a greater degree of Sameness.
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*** Not everyone wants to have a pet. So if some families have pets and some don't, that messes up the Sameness. Different animals, with different temperaments and sizes, have different needs. That messes up the Sameness. And so on.
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** Maybe the kids do receive some medical training that wasn't mentioned -- some first-aid and other medical care.
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** I thought it was said that she asked to be "released", as in she went and requested that someone else do it for her.
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* How would Rosemary, a twelve-year-old with no medical training whatsoever, be able to do an intravenous injection (on herself, no less)? She'd never be allowed to do that, either. Plus, with the poison most likely being very strong, she might not be able to inject the entire lethal dose before losing consciousness. Her "releasing" herself may be a powerful image in the story, but from a medical perspective, it's pretty ridiculous.
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** It would make a lot more sense if birth mothers were birth mothers for more than 3 years. the longer they stay birth mothers, the less new birth mothers you need every year. If it were for say ten years, only 5 new birth mothers are needed per year.
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**They probably just go by the rule that if the door is open it is unoccupied, if the door is closed it is occupied
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** In ''Son,'' it's mentioned that births are timed very carefully so that by the time the Ceremony comes around, the very youngest babies are at least a couple of months old, and the most intensive caring period is over.
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*** Animals are pretty predictable, but I think they would be kept out, just because they want to keep out everything they can, so people don't know about much.
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*** They made a movie out of BATTLESHIP. They can make one out of this.
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** Possibly they used a substitute meat.
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** Confirmed in ''Son'' that they don't get to hold their baby at all.
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** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!
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*** Yeah! Who remembers writers like Dostoevsky, Melville, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Cormac McCarthy, or David Foster Wallace? Nobody!
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*** Yeah! Who remembers writers like Dostoevsky, Melville, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Cormac McCarthy, or David Foster Wallace? Nobody!Is it possible that BOTH styles have their merits, and that we don't need to put people down for writing how they want to write?
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*** Yeah! Who remembers writers like Dostoevsky, Melville, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Cormac McCarthy, or David Foster Wallace? Nobody!
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** Of course this was in front of a bunch of sixth graders, but when someone in my class asked my teacher of there were birthfathers she said there weren't any and it was completely artificial. This would also explain how they make all the citizens color blind.
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** Because Jonas panicked, IIRC, so he wasn't thinking clearly enough to go to the Giver like he was supposed to. All he was thinking of was getting Gabriel out of there. Besides, it kind of has the same effect anyway, because leaving the Community still means that Jonas's memories are released.
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*** ''Some'' authors want readers; perhaps even most. But some want to be remembered beyond the fad when their book was popular and write their books with more intellectual aspirations, and desire to have commentators and other people who will analyze their work. We've had [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=ty7nlqj0hp76d5qy9t0hty9k&page=2 a bit of discussion on this sort of thing in the forum]], actually. And yes, some authors try to balance the demands of obscure writing vs accessible and popular writing (another example being TheLittlePrince), but most tend to go for one or the other.
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*** ''Some'' authors want readers; perhaps even most. But some want to be remembered beyond the fad when their book was popular and write their books with more intellectual aspirations, and desire to have commentators and other people who will analyze their work. We've had [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=ty7nlqj0hp76d5qy9t0hty9k&page=2 a bit of discussion on this sort of thing in the forum]], actually. And yes, some authors try to balance the demands of obscure writing vs accessible and popular writing (another example being TheLittlePrince), Literature/TheLittlePrince), but most tend to go for one or the other.
